{"id":"qf380e9e79e2952c90fb8","batch_id":"batch-000152","seq":261,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-27T05:02:44.957Z","text":"“你登记过claim，所以你已经承认G Club是郭alter ego。”\n\n因为连Luc自己的5769都说5739并不决定victim/creditor claims，而且alter-ego defenses仍然保留。\n\n反过来，这也意味着你前面提出的那个问题变得更尖锐：\n\n如果Luc以后真要让G Club会员通过estate领取G Club/ACA的钱，他必须说明：领取依据到底是普通creditor claim，还是因为法院已经认定G Club/ACA为郭alter ego？\n\n截至5747/5769这一阶段，后者还没有最终成立。\n\n所以5747对我们目前这条线是有利的新证据，但要准确使用。不能说“5747法院否定了alter ego”——5747只是G Club一方的异议，不是法院判决。\n\n最准确的说法是：\n\n5747明确拒绝让5739预先把G Club相关claims/资产当成Kwok Estate property，并保留G Club在alter-ego adversary中的全部产权和抗辩；Luc随后在5769修改proposed order，明确承认5739不会限制这些defenses。因此，截至5747/5769，G Club alter ego仍然是待裁争议，而不是已成立事实。\n\n我认为这个点非常重要，尤其是以后如果有人说 “5739已经把G Club归Luc了”，5747 + 5769可以直接反驳。","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf380e9e79e2952c90fb8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000152/pages/2","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000152/pages/2","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf380e9e79e2952c90fb8","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf380e9e79e2952c90fb8/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qf380e9e79e2952c90fb8","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q089ef1aaa8bc67ebb0b8","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-27T05:01:15.762Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q089ef1aaa8bc67ebb0b8"},{"id":"qcff0649cb444694d967b","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-27T05:01:24.899Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcff0649cb444694d967b"},{"id":"qe94d30d5115aaae42aa8","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-27T05:02:42.230Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe94d30d5115aaae42aa8"},{"id":"qf71caa6d425cc3869ad5","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-27T05:04:49.998Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf71caa6d425cc3869ad5"},{"id":"q5d03dd9e3ffcbbb003a7","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-27T05:06:13.622Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d03dd9e3ffcbbb003a7"},{"id":"q15b825f6a38e09242fda","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-27T05:06:16.569Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q15b825f6a38e09242fda"}],"parent_message":null}