{"id":"qf4a0bd411394164e528f","batch_id":"batch-000017","seq":533,"speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T07:56:49.181Z","text":"对！ 但这就不仅推翻luc了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q967ed6afb3d7a781876e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf4a0bd411394164e528f","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q967ed6afb3d7a781876e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000017","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf4a0bd411394164e528f","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf4a0bd411394164e528f/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qf4a0bd411394164e528f","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q4befe6fd13088eb2a797","speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T07:48:31.699Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4befe6fd13088eb2a797"},{"id":"qfc7aedab35452ca67038","speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T07:50:00.777Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc7aedab35452ca67038"},{"id":"q967ed6afb3d7a781876e","speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-21T07:56:15.227Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q967ed6afb3d7a781876e"},{"id":"q0aa66e483b70889fda9b","speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T07:57:01.926Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0aa66e483b70889fda9b"},{"id":"qa2acd331bd6197ddd5e3","speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T07:57:11.885Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa2acd331bd6197ddd5e3"},{"id":"q8e179f52a07e69e0f498","speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-21T07:57:30.321Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8e179f52a07e69e0f498"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q967ed6afb3d7a781876e","speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-21T07:56:15.227Z","text":"毒树之果成立的前提就是初始受害人非法，你是想通过核实初始债权人和初始受害者的重叠比例证明初始债权人非法从而推翻luc是吗？","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q967ed6afb3d7a781876e"}}