{"id":"qf4d6557db92624bab991","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":783,"speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-24T19:08:53.919Z","text":"那就只能是希望等第三方处理后七哥再上诉，如果马上上诉，就没有时间提交新证据了","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9e3607e2c6fcd29a580c","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf4d6557db92624bab991","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e3607e2c6fcd29a580c","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf4d6557db92624bab991","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf4d6557db92624bab991/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qf4d6557db92624bab991","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q9e3607e2c6fcd29a580c","speaker":"pz0***","date":"2025-07-24T19:00:15.216Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e3607e2c6fcd29a580c"},{"id":"q2862838f97f38460467b","speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-24T19:00:15.239Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2862838f97f38460467b"},{"id":"q6174920316a2405d2d78","speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-24T19:06:30.352Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6174920316a2405d2d78"},{"id":"qe8b22dd8ac1f1ec783c2","speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-24T19:09:11.280Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe8b22dd8ac1f1ec783c2"},{"id":"q9506fa68595dc5beecf5","speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-24T19:09:29.845Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9506fa68595dc5beecf5"},{"id":"q89d322d6d76ce1b70707","speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-24T19:09:37.673Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q89d322d6d76ce1b70707"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q9e3607e2c6fcd29a580c","speaker":"pz0***","date":"2025-07-24T19:00:15.216Z","text":"有网络有电脑就能发动议，没人阻挡得了你。我只是提醒一下可能出现的几种情况，你要做好应对预案：\n\n1. Torres会先判老郭的刑，判刑当天出初步没收令，开启30天动议提交期，然后处理第三方动议。\n\n2. 老郭被判刑以后肯定要上诉，上诉期间，Torres处理你们第三方动议还可能暂停，所以其实等到处理你们动议的时候老郭要么：\n\n2.1 老郭刑事案翻案：如果是这种情况，那么政府扣押资产都会还给老郭；\n\n2.2 老郭刑事案上诉失败：那你们打第三方动议给老郭翻案也没有用，你说了上诉不审核新证据，只看现有证据\n\n3. 你想通过打第三方动议给老郭翻案，理由是通过第三方动议可以逼Luc交出他登记了哪些老郭的债权人，然后想办法证明这些债权人中有的人申报虚假债权，然后被检方拿来作为老郭搞诈骗的受害人立了一个刑事案，是这个思路吧。如果Luc老奸巨猾，从刑事案第三方程序里退出了，他说政府扣押的资产Luc我不要了，那你怎么通过刑事庭动议继续逼Luc拿出债权人名单？你要想一个备用方案，比如（我随便举例）去破产庭打Luc？\n\n4. 当然，你想提第三方动议尽管去提，谁也阻止不了。","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e3607e2c6fcd29a580c"}}