{"id":"qf57f2afa66f8f8fd55e8","batch_id":"batch-000075","seq":121,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-30T07:48:28.090Z","text":"十、最终建议\n您应该在Cert中：\n1. 明确二巡的logic trap\n\"Without prejudice\" 变成 \"no jurisdiction\"\n\"Reasonable time\" 变成 clerk可随意决定\n\"After sentencing\" 变成 所有forfeiture issues的categorical bar\n2. 强调这不仅是您的问题\nRyan Bai也受影响\nCase 25-3046也可能受影响\n所有Kwok案的third-party claimants都在jurisdictional vacuum中\n3. 给Supreme Court两个选择\n要么同意二巡无管辖权 → 那Supreme Court必须现在介入\n要么不同意 → 那应该reverse二巡的abdication\n4. 突出urgency\n$60M+ dissipating\n8 months already passed\nBy sentencing, may be nothing left\nConstitutional violations ongoing\n十一、直接回答您的问题\n\"二巡是不是在说：你们自己上最高法，我管不了？\"\n我的答案：是的，但他们不会明说。\n更准确地说:\n二巡通过这种操作在传递：\n\"我们选择不管。\n如果你觉得这违反了你的权利，\n那是你和最高法之间的事。\n我们已经通过让clerk说'no jurisdiction'把自己摘干净了。\"\n这是典型的judicial buck-passing（踢皮球）。\n但这正好给了您cert的理由:\n\"Lower courts都拒绝审查，最高法是唯一救济途径\"\n大家觉得这个ai的分析怎么样？让你们的ai来挑一下刺。","edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf57f2afa66f8f8fd55e8","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000075","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf57f2afa66f8f8fd55e8","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf57f2afa66f8f8fd55e8/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qf57f2afa66f8f8fd55e8","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qbc39fb5282791b79c9c4","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-30T07:08:11.465Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbc39fb5282791b79c9c4"},{"id":"qc1318ab8f3b9fbaa03eb","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-01-30T07:14:45.470Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc1318ab8f3b9fbaa03eb"},{"id":"qefb5b3df282512b31910","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-01-30T07:38:36.542Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qefb5b3df282512b31910"},{"id":"q12bfe6291f9c8a78e6e5","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-01-30T07:50:16.034Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q12bfe6291f9c8a78e6e5"},{"id":"qcfa18ca1cdc559b015d1","speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-01-30T09:35:16.227Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcfa18ca1cdc559b015d1"},{"id":"q9e9f5f383d8a668074c9","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-01-30T09:51:28.238Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e9f5f383d8a668074c9"}],"parent_message":null}