{"id":"qf5d26da0c46351f72e41","batch_id":"batch-000020","seq":864,"speaker":"zci***","date":"2025-07-30T04:09:18.104Z","text":"问题是这些都是已经证实了的。至于真实性，既然它在法务流程中运用且被证实了，从法律定义看这就是真实的，除非你能拿出证据说，这些没有真实性，对吧？螺丝常说的，法庭就是讲证据，讲这些what if没用","edited":false,"reply_to":"qfe050a4a7d80d406d874","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf5d26da0c46351f72e41","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfe050a4a7d80d406d874","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000020","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf5d26da0c46351f72e41","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf5d26da0c46351f72e41/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qf5d26da0c46351f72e41","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qb2decfb9590a9bfcc7c3","speaker":"gun***","date":"2025-07-30T03:36:07.789Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb2decfb9590a9bfcc7c3"},{"id":"q44ed1ffa96f837071f17","speaker":"rui***","date":"2025-07-30T03:53:32.947Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q44ed1ffa96f837071f17"},{"id":"qa279f2ebbb1497b46a86","speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-07-30T03:58:26.771Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa279f2ebbb1497b46a86"},{"id":"q94be759644753f21e0d5","speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-07-30T04:10:55.470Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q94be759644753f21e0d5"},{"id":"qb4b9da588579b3c1a398","speaker":"sar***","date":"2025-07-30T04:15:52.313Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb4b9da588579b3c1a398"},{"id":"q0aa5586b1598d779fb43","speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-30T04:19:10.441Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0aa5586b1598d779fb43"}],"parent_message":{"id":"qfe050a4a7d80d406d874","speaker":"gun***","date":"2025-07-30T03:26:54.568Z","text":"现在又回到，老郭家庭成员的消费上了，检方有没有明确的银行记录能证明，如果有能不能证明证据的真实性，有没有系统性得作假。这些东西我觉得比王更不利。","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfe050a4a7d80d406d874"}}