{"id":"qf8611a8ebe91cc156335","batch_id":"batch-000158","seq":188,"speaker":"him***","date":"2026-09-12T20:21:17.453Z","text":"这案子就是不正常，但是庭审已经输了","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"q0e8c4285d27aaad0bc7e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf8611a8ebe91cc156335","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0e8c4285d27aaad0bc7e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000158","notice":"这里汇集爆料革命参与者围绕郭文贵案的持续讨论，包括长期深度参与者及自述投入真金白银的投资者。他们分享亲历过程、资金投入与后续遭遇，并结合案卷展开追问、核对和观点交锋。这些来自事件内部的经验与细节，为理解事件经过和投资者处境提供了外部报道之外的重要视角。请结合具体发言判断其经历与依据，引用时保留发言者、时间和上下文。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf8611a8ebe91cc156335","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf8611a8ebe91cc156335/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qf8611a8ebe91cc156335","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q2ba113b8e026e153194a","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-09-12T19:51:25.917Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2ba113b8e026e153194a"},{"id":"q28e04d237576af0608f7","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-09-12T19:52:35.012Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q28e04d237576af0608f7"},{"id":"q9ab09253175c10a2e775","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-09-12T20:00:06.370Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ab09253175c10a2e775"},{"id":"q29645f6e6e6a31f2e886","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-09-12T20:21:34.845Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q29645f6e6e6a31f2e886"},{"id":"q039776de85a42878b9a6","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-09-12T20:22:21.821Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q039776de85a42878b9a6"},{"id":"q9d94053659a8d13918e6","speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-09-12T21:21:03.752Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9d94053659a8d13918e6"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q0e8c4285d27aaad0bc7e","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-09-12T18:40:14.437Z","text":"下一步现在高度集中：一定要找那个四人chat原件\n\n这是目前最高价值的原始记录。\n\n要找的是 Guo + William Je + Leanne Li + Kathy 那个2022年伦敦期间的聊天群导出、截图、手机取证或Defense exhibit。\n\n只要找到内容，结论就可能发生明显升级或降级：\n\n如果里面是：\n\nGuo明确要求Je立即开放账目 → Je明确拒绝/拖延 → 最终仍不执行\n\n那么上一轮的“enforceability stress test”会重新升到 ★★★★★。\n\n如果里面只是：\n\nGuo问情况、协调、没有明确命令，或者Je给出合规/程序理由，\n\n那么ECF826-1 ¶102的 “direct intervention … also was rejected” 就明显比实际trial evidence更强，Defense自己的量刑描述反而需要降权。\n\n其次最值得查的是：这个聊天有没有被标成DX、有没有进入证据但没有通过Li口述、FBI/Defense extraction中是否留存，以及Li的302/Jencks/律师prep notes是否解释群聊内容。\n\n我也重新核了公开上诉状态。目前能公开核实的较新 26-1853文件仍是 Dkt.16，2026年8月5日，Dratel要求退出并由Federal Defenders接替；文件自己也说明潜在审前、审判和量刑争议众多、record极其庞大。 本轮没有发现新的公开merits brief。\n\n所以这轮正式修正如下：上一轮“Guo本人直接介入要求Je开放审计而Je仍拒绝”不能再作为★★★★★已入证事实。陪审团真正听到的是：Guo亲自派Li审查HEX财务；Je拒绝给Li账；此后Guo、Je、Li和HEX员工Kathy进入一个活跃聊天群，但法院明确禁止披露群内容；第二天Li仍然拿不到账。这个事实仍然很好地证明Guo-directed review ≠ actual financial access，并与Je的bank/technical/operational control形成有意义的反证组合；但在找到四人chat原件以前，不能把它升级成Je明确抗命Guo。","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0e8c4285d27aaad0bc7e"}}