{"id":"qf95efe4d95cf53431ade","batch_id":"batch-000161","seq":721,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-10-01T02:09:31.771Z","text":"我就是这个意思，下游ACA capital不给利息，是他余建民的事","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"q8198694cf10e0e03957f","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf95efe4d95cf53431ade","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8198694cf10e0e03957f","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161/pages/4","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000161/pages/4","notice":"这里汇集爆料革命参与者围绕郭文贵案的持续讨论，包括长期深度参与者及自述投入真金白银的投资者。他们分享亲历过程、资金投入与后续遭遇，并结合案卷展开追问、核对和观点交锋。这些来自事件内部的经验与细节，为理解事件经过和投资者处境提供了外部报道之外的重要视角。请结合具体发言判断其经历与依据，引用时保留发言者、时间和上下文。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf95efe4d95cf53431ade","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf95efe4d95cf53431ade/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qf95efe4d95cf53431ade","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q61d6cf62475ca2ac1997","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-01T02:04:41.778Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q61d6cf62475ca2ac1997"},{"id":"qed158914cee5876b4d90","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-01T02:05:06.988Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qed158914cee5876b4d90"},{"id":"q8198694cf10e0e03957f","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-10-01T02:08:29.779Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8198694cf10e0e03957f"},{"id":"q851cccce000d6916327f","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-01T02:10:06.971Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q851cccce000d6916327f"},{"id":"q2dc0b4b5d79b6fe5f6a8","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-10-01T02:10:12.568Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2dc0b4b5d79b6fe5f6a8"},{"id":"q55e5b9c0e0c6069e5d6b","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-10-01T02:10:14.728Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q55e5b9c0e0c6069e5d6b"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q8198694cf10e0e03957f","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-10-01T02:08:29.779Z","text":"在法律上，要证明同时性故意，就是要证明，郭在让人们参与农场借贷时，就没打算给利息以及可能的替代回报，比如gtv股票。后面没有给钱或者其它回报安排，作为一种间接证据（证明诈骗意图只能间接证明），是属于比较弱的证据。","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8198694cf10e0e03957f"}}