{"id":"qfa17bb7ce4490b4f820c","batch_id":"batch-000131","seq":805,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-07-04T16:16:59.539Z","text":"同一笔，已经被墙内判危害国家安全，美国政府又给判是诈骗款\n除非先理清，这里面有多少，是来自墙内的投资，这部分不能算诈骗，不能被没收","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"qb83cc1377728b945400e","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfa17bb7ce4490b4f820c","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb83cc1377728b945400e","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131/pages/5","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000131/pages/5","notice":"这里汇集爆料革命参与者围绕郭文贵案的持续讨论，包括长期深度参与者及自述投入真金白银的投资者。他们分享亲历过程、资金投入与后续遭遇，并结合案卷展开追问、核对和观点交锋。这些来自事件内部的经验与细节，为理解事件经过和投资者处境提供了外部报道之外的重要视角。请结合具体发言判断其经历与依据，引用时保留发言者、时间和上下文。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfa17bb7ce4490b4f820c","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfa17bb7ce4490b4f820c/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qfa17bb7ce4490b4f820c","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qb83cc1377728b945400e","speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-04T16:13:31.145Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb83cc1377728b945400e"},{"id":"qaae83a0b93f9abe00c7d","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-04T16:15:54.825Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaae83a0b93f9abe00c7d"},{"id":"q2c62bb7689f31df02998","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-04T16:16:50.735Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2c62bb7689f31df02998"},{"id":"qd873db59233fe4fb6c74","speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-07-04T16:18:44.270Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd873db59233fe4fb6c74"},{"id":"q0340b59a39fec4e03abc","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-04T16:19:39.562Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0340b59a39fec4e03abc"},{"id":"q1a76fa4dba4353fc7cf9","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-07-04T16:19:59.832Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1a76fa4dba4353fc7cf9"}],"parent_message":{"id":"qb83cc1377728b945400e","speaker":"ntp***","date":"2026-07-04T16:13:31.145Z","text":"主权冲突怎么证明没收无效？中国的钱美国无权没收？","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb83cc1377728b945400e"}}