{"id":"qfa9f22524ffed18d3861","batch_id":"batch-000152","seq":6,"speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T10:43:14.720Z","text":"继续往下挖，这一轮我觉得真正出现了一个比“5.11亿到底谁来背”更值得盯住的结构性问题：\n\n王488、郭720，甚至郭后来858，都没有把“个人取得的犯罪所得”和“共同承担的洗钱财产”分别量化。\n\n这很关键。\n\n王329/488写的是：\n\n$1.4B =\n① Count One中Wang personally obtained的proceeds\n＋\n② Count Two money laundering中property involved；\n只有第②部分，王才与郭jointly and severally liable，而且限定为“to the extent a forfeiture money judgment is entered against Guo”。\n\n郭720采用完全类似的结构：\n\n$1.3B =\n① 郭本人从Counts 1、2、4、7–11 personally obtained的proceeds\n＋\n② Count 3 laundering property；\n只有第②部分与王joint and several。 gov.uscourts.nysd.595325.720.0.pdf\n\n问题来了：\n\n两份命令都只给总数，没有告诉我们①是多少、②是多少。\n\n这意味着从法院命令表面上，竟然无法算出：\n\n王与郭真正“共同承担”的那一笔到底是多少钱。\n\n这点非常重要，因为Robert一直拿：\n\n14亿 − 8.89亿 = 5.11亿\n\n来算。\n\n现在可以更明确地说：这个算式不成立；但它暴露出的“法院没有把共同部分单独算出来”这个问题反而是真问题。","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":null,"reply_status":"none","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfa9f22524ffed18d3861","reply_url":null,"reply_label":"","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000152","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000152","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfa9f22524ffed18d3861","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfa9f22524ffed18d3861/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qfa9f22524ffed18d3861","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q80217b502cc97428e5d7","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T10:31:27.469Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q80217b502cc97428e5d7"},{"id":"qc80b2df7d7f62c2f7e17","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T10:32:59.911Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc80b2df7d7f62c2f7e17"},{"id":"qc6dd1f73e66ab728f7c6","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-08-25T10:41:51.004Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc6dd1f73e66ab728f7c6"},{"id":"q509e388c34aca351ea2b","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T10:43:40.773Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q509e388c34aca351ea2b"},{"id":"qa06ca3ff3be113d82820","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T10:46:17.990Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa06ca3ff3be113d82820"},{"id":"qecf9db2881a0ac29af62","speaker":"roy***","date":"2026-08-25T10:46:40.904Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qecf9db2881a0ac29af62"}],"parent_message":null}