{"id":"qfaab63f1fe01c1b6d4e4","batch_id":"batch-000087","seq":587,"speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-03-06T13:35:35.789Z","text":"对的\n两边一直跳来跳去\n破产案 刑事案 必须放一起看","edited":false,"reply_to":"qca0e75881803c1131242","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfaab63f1fe01c1b6d4e4","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qca0e75881803c1131242","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000087","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000087","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfaab63f1fe01c1b6d4e4","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfaab63f1fe01c1b6d4e4/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qfaab63f1fe01c1b6d4e4","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"qca0e75881803c1131242","speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-03-06T13:33:22.360Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qca0e75881803c1131242"},{"id":"q784be540ba7da0b87d6d","speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-03-06T13:33:28.877Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q784be540ba7da0b87d6d"},{"id":"q6cc72273a1996b03575c","speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-03-06T13:35:01.788Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6cc72273a1996b03575c"},{"id":"q627ca8a17356d652d6ff","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-03-06T13:37:02.165Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q627ca8a17356d652d6ff"},{"id":"qdca002d1f13e623072a1","speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-03-06T13:38:49.242Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdca002d1f13e623072a1"},{"id":"qe9bfc940f579c4c82ea7","speaker":"xin***","date":"2026-03-06T13:40:27.404Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe9bfc940f579c4c82ea7"}],"parent_message":{"id":"qca0e75881803c1131242","speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-03-06T13:33:22.360Z","text":"所以总结一下：\n\nAlter ego在破产案成立,但民事Rico Luc要取得资格 必须要借助刑事案；\n刑事案Rico到郭，又必须借助破产案的alter ego。王认罪 》G enterprise包含的几个实体有罪  》破产案的alter ego 郭有罪，破产案可以开始Rico","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qca0e75881803c1131242"}}