{"id":"qfc74f3afa33e2dc4357b","batch_id":"batch-000084","seq":503,"speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-02-26T01:41:44.207Z","text":"但luc说这些公司都是被告的替代自我，影子实体，傀儡结构，还有很多不是人话的名词，然后就扣押。这些说法的成立，拱卒们的债权是一个必要条件。","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"q0570827bf7f125fe479a","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc74f3afa33e2dc4357b","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0570827bf7f125fe479a","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084/pages/3","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000084/pages/3","notice":"这里汇集爆料革命参与者围绕郭文贵案的持续讨论，包括长期深度参与者及自述投入真金白银的投资者。他们分享亲历过程、资金投入与后续遭遇，并结合案卷展开追问、核对和观点交锋。这些来自事件内部的经验与细节，为理解事件经过和投资者处境提供了外部报道之外的重要视角。请结合具体发言判断其经历与依据，引用时保留发言者、时间和上下文。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc74f3afa33e2dc4357b","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc74f3afa33e2dc4357b/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qfc74f3afa33e2dc4357b","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q12dec07e398387775a88","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-26T01:40:10.478Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q12dec07e398387775a88"},{"id":"q61f2f85123acfc0b4b3a","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-26T01:40:43.274Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q61f2f85123acfc0b4b3a"},{"id":"q261e31681f60900f6178","speaker":"joh***","date":"2026-02-26T01:41:25.712Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q261e31681f60900f6178"},{"id":"q954d9d8362c0abaf2424","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-26T01:42:59.776Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q954d9d8362c0abaf2424"},{"id":"qc24e59a4bfb9030fca1b","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-02-26T01:45:02.711Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc24e59a4bfb9030fca1b"},{"id":"qe0a8470544c9f6be475b","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-02-26T01:45:46.665Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe0a8470544c9f6be475b"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q0570827bf7f125fe479a","speaker":"him***","date":"2026-02-26T01:39:26.064Z","text":"其实，这些钱确实不属于郭，这些钱应该属于那些公司，比如gclubs，比如洗脚所。","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0570827bf7f125fe479a"}}