{"id":"qfe95d740798738f56ef2","batch_id":"batch-000151","seq":80,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-25T02:24:20.331Z","text":"没有了证券欺诈和电汇欺诈，自然也就没有了rico，rico和洗钱都是建立在欺诈的基础上的","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"qa9b8affce1f83acdd0cc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfe95d740798738f56ef2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa9b8affce1f83acdd0cc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000151","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000151","notice":"这里汇集爆料革命参与者围绕郭文贵案的持续讨论，包括长期深度参与者及自述投入真金白银的投资者。他们分享亲历过程、资金投入与后续遭遇，并结合案卷展开追问、核对和观点交锋。这些来自事件内部的经验与细节，为理解事件经过和投资者处境提供了外部报道之外的重要视角。请结合具体发言判断其经历与依据，引用时保留发言者、时间和上下文。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfe95d740798738f56ef2","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfe95d740798738f56ef2/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qfe95d740798738f56ef2","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q86ac751f516e406fabd1","speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-25T02:17:08.415Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q86ac751f516e406fabd1"},{"id":"qc7a88d12c5d9a484728b","speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-25T02:19:53.321Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc7a88d12c5d9a484728b"},{"id":"q4acc68a502d2b5201fdc","speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-25T02:21:56.460Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4acc68a502d2b5201fdc"},{"id":"qa29e760d3dad6911f4f0","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-25T02:26:23.287Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa29e760d3dad6911f4f0"},{"id":"q3ff0ba4092431a3e0a50","speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-25T02:26:50.691Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3ff0ba4092431a3e0a50"},{"id":"qce011add8023abc84bad","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-25T02:28:53.257Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qce011add8023abc84bad"}],"parent_message":{"id":"qa9b8affce1f83acdd0cc","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-25T01:54:06.738Z","text":"难点和重点是被告参与了rico共谋。它们的操作就是程序上能做到就会那么做，不管那么做是否会违反宪法，是否违背常理。实际上我们看到的敲诈勒索证据更多的是犯罪集团针对受托人实施的，对投资者的还比较少，然后它们用对受托人的敲诈勒索行为，用来证明敲诈勒索共谋，然后再用王的认罪，嫁接成了郭是犯罪集团的boss。","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa9b8affce1f83acdd0cc"}}