{"id":"qfe95d740798738f56ef2","batch_id":"batch-000151","seq":80,"speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-25T02:24:20.331Z","text":"没有了证券欺诈和电汇欺诈，自然也就没有了rico，rico和洗钱都是建立在欺诈的基础上的","text_en":null,"edited":false,"reply_to":"qa9b8affce1f83acdd0cc","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfe95d740798738f56ef2","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa9b8affce1f83acdd0cc","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000151","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000151","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfe95d740798738f56ef2","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfe95d740798738f56ef2/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qfe95d740798738f56ef2","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q86ac751f516e406fabd1","speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-25T02:17:08.415Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q86ac751f516e406fabd1"},{"id":"qc7a88d12c5d9a484728b","speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-25T02:19:53.321Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc7a88d12c5d9a484728b"},{"id":"q4acc68a502d2b5201fdc","speaker":"beg***","date":"2026-08-25T02:21:56.460Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4acc68a502d2b5201fdc"},{"id":"qa29e760d3dad6911f4f0","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-25T02:26:23.287Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa29e760d3dad6911f4f0"},{"id":"q3ff0ba4092431a3e0a50","speaker":"spr***","date":"2026-08-25T02:26:50.691Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3ff0ba4092431a3e0a50"},{"id":"qce011add8023abc84bad","speaker":"kir***","date":"2026-08-25T02:28:53.257Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qce011add8023abc84bad"}],"parent_message":{"id":"qa9b8affce1f83acdd0cc","speaker":"reb***","date":"2026-08-25T01:54:06.738Z","text":"难点和重点是被告参与了rico共谋。它们的操作就是程序上能做到就会那么做，不管那么做是否会违反宪法，是否违背常理。实际上我们看到的敲诈勒索证据更多的是犯罪集团针对受托人实施的，对投资者的还比较少，然后它们用对受托人的敲诈勒索行为，用来证明敲诈勒索共谋，然后再用王的认罪，嫁接成了郭是犯罪集团的boss。","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa9b8affce1f83acdd0cc"}}