{"id":"qffc3803ce5bdfc5e0c84","batch_id":"batch-000018","seq":393,"speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-24T09:43:17.137Z","text":"现在的问题是，检方或者luc是不是可以说，那时候拱族他们去登记债权人，就是因为他们觉得郭文贵骗了他们的钱，因为郭文贵是G系列的代言人，郭亲自保证不让人亏本，所以拱族找他登记是合法合理的。","edited":false,"reply_to":"q9ccd563bcb471cd6d429","reply_status":"available","has_attachment":false,"url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qffc3803ce5bdfc5e0c84","reply_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ccd563bcb471cd6d429","reply_label":"查看被回复的发言（跨批次）","batch_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018","batch_canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/batches/batch-000018","notice":"围绕郭文贵案的社区讨论与观点交锋。发言仅代表讨论者观点，不等同于法院认定。","content_type":"discussion_message","canonical_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qffc3803ce5bdfc5e0c84","markdown_url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qffc3803ce5bdfc5e0c84/markdown","json_url":"https://mubeitech.com/api/discussion-messages/qffc3803ce5bdfc5e0c84","surrounding_messages":[{"id":"q3c76ea57248528e8d07c","speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-24T09:40:19.349Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3c76ea57248528e8d07c"},{"id":"q471cfda397f31a331443","speaker":"him***","date":"2025-07-24T09:40:48.065Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q471cfda397f31a331443"},{"id":"q1e38c05ad5395533bb1d","speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-24T09:43:00.962Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e38c05ad5395533bb1d"},{"id":"q8512757b482929b97d81","speaker":"wen***","date":"2025-07-24T09:43:41.998Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8512757b482929b97d81"},{"id":"q64c00e08bd4a6307174a","speaker":"hon***","date":"2025-07-24T09:44:14.729Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64c00e08bd4a6307174a"},{"id":"qc9c99421cf1d56dd3acd","speaker":"chu***","date":"2025-07-24T09:47:59.699Z","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc9c99421cf1d56dd3acd"}],"parent_message":{"id":"q9ccd563bcb471cd6d429","speaker":"ntp***","date":"2025-07-24T06:53:43.991Z","text":"这逻辑有点乱了，因为债权人郭被绑到g系列，因为被绑到g系列所以他被起诉诈骗。但是，债权人登记的时候郭跟g系列是无关的，那些人根本不是郭的债权人，所以当时破产庭把郭绑到g系列本身就是错的，现在的一切都是建立在这个当初破产庭错误的结论上的。所以要推翻债权人，还得去证明当时郭跟g系列无关，就跟gtv一样，所以真正的毒树应该是破产庭强行把g系列投资人认作郭的债权人。 是不是这个逻辑？ ［用户 rui***］","url":"https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ccd563bcb471cd6d429"}}