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# 郭文贵破产案 · EXHIBIT · ECF #404-7



> 原始法庭文件为英文；下方为英文全文，顶部为中文摘要。

EXHIBIT PAX 07

Transcript of the 341 Meeting of Creditors (Part I)

UNITED STATES BANKRUPTCY COURT DISTRICT OF CONNECTICUT In Re \* Chapter 11 \* \* HO WAN KWOK, \* Case 22-50073(JAM) \* Debtor. \* \* \* \* \* \* \* \* \* \* \* \* \* \* \* \* \* \* TRANSCRIPT OF TELEPHONIC 341 MEETING OF CREDITORS MARCH 21, 2022 Electronically Recorded by the Office of the United States Trustee Transcript Prepared By: Christine Fiore, CERT Fiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc. 4 Research Drive, Suite 402 Shelton, CT 06484 (203)929-9992

Ho Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022

APPEARANCES:

For the Debtor:　WILLIAM R. BALDIGA, ESQ.
BEN SILVERBERG, ESQ.
URI PINELO, ESQ.
Brown Rudnick, LLP
Seven Times Square
New York, NY

For the U.S. Trustee:　HOLLEY E. CLAIBORN, ESQ.
Office of the U.S. Trustee
150 State Street
New Haven, CT

For Logan Cheng,
Creditor:　JAY MARSHALL WOLMAN, ESQ.
Randazza Legal Group
100 Pearl Street, 14th Floor
Hartford, CT 06103
For Pacific Alliance
Asia Opportunity Fund,
LP, Creditors:　DAVID V. HARBACH, II, ESQ.
O'Melveny & Myers, LLP
1625 I Street NW
Washington, DC

STUART SARNOFF, ESQ.
LAURA ARONSSON, ESQ.
CRAIG McALLISTER, ESQ.
MAKENZIE RUSSO
STEVEN WARREN
O'Melveny & Myers, LLP
Times Square Tower
7 Times Square
New York, NY

For Bruno Wu, Weican
Meng and Rui Ma,
Creditors:　KAREN WARSHAUER
McElroy, Deutsch, Mulvaney &
Carpenter
One State Street
Hartford, CT

For Xiaodan Wang,
Rong Zhang and Chong
Shen Raphanella,
Creditors:　LILLIAN GRINNELL, ESQ.
Wolf Haldenstein Adler
Freeman & Herz
270 Madison Avenue
New York, NY

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APPEARANCES: (Cont'd) For Samuel Nunberg, AMY ZAMIR, ESQ. Creditor: Nesenoff & Miltenberg, LLP 363 Seventh Avenue New York, NY 10001 For the Sherry EMILY KUZNICK, ESQ. Netherland, Creditor: Stroock, Stroock and Lavan 180 Maiden Lane New York, NY 10038

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1　MS. CLAIBORN:
I'm going to repeat myself

2　from the beginning here because I want to make sure
3　it's all on the record and I apologize.
4　I'm going to basically start this meeting
5　over again and we're going to go very quickly and
6　then we'll come back to where I was just about to
7　go.
8　Today is Monday, March 21st, 2022 and we
9　are gathered for the Section 341 meeting in the
10　Chapter 11 case of Ho Wan Kwok, also known as Wengui
11　Gwo and Miles Kwok.
12　My name is Holley Claiborn and I'm a trial
13　attorney in the Office of the United States Trustee
14　and I will be conducting today's meeting.
15　I am recording this meeting and also we
16　have the presence of an interpreter on the line
17　whose name is Bin, B-I-N.
18　And so that I have it on the record, I'm
19　going to ask Bin a third time about her oath.
20　(The interpreter is sworn.)
21　For purposes of speeding this up on the
22　record we have appearances today by Jay Wolman, on
23　behalf of Logan Cheng.
We have the appearance of
24　David Harbach, Stuart Sarnoff, Mia Gonzalez, Laura

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1　Aronsson, Craig McAllister and Mackenzie Russo, all

2　on behalf of Pacific Alliance.
And for creditors
3　Rui Ma, Bruno Wu and Weican Meng, we have Karen
4　Warshauer, a paralegal at McElroy.
5　THE INTERPRETER:
Sorry, I cannot get all
6　those names at once.
7　MS. CLAIBORN:
Bin, did you translate all
8　of the names for the Pacific Alliance?
9　THE INTERPRETER:
The names actually just
10　a repeat of the pronunciation.
No translation.
11　MS. CLAIBORN:
Thank you.
Whoever does
12　not have their phone on mute, could you please put
13　it on mute?
Thank you.
14　Okay.
The other appearances, Karen
15　Warshauer, from McElroy, and she represents Bruno
16　Wu, Weican Meng and Rui Ma.
17　Before I go back to the debtor, are there
18　any other creditors on the line who have counsel
19　who'd like to put their appearance on the record?
20　MS. GRINNELL:
Hi --
21　MS. CLAIBORN:
Please wait for the
22　translation.
23　MS. GRINNELL:
(Indiscernible) I'm from
24　the firm Wolf Haldenstein Adler Freeman and Herz and
25　we represent --

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1　THE INTERPRETER:
Sorry.
The interpreter
2　cannot hear you clearly.
3　MS. GRINNELL:
I'm sorry. My connection
4　has been kind of off.
Can you hear me now?
5　THE INTERPRETER: Yes.
6　MS. GRINNELL:
Okay.
I'll repeat what I
7　said.
8　My name is Lillian Grinnell.
I'm an
9　attorney at Wolf Haldenstein Adler Freeman and Herz
10　and we represent the creditors, Rong Zhang, Xiaodan
11　Wang, and Chong Sheen Raphanella.
12　THE INTERPRETER:
The names you pronounced
13　I could not get them.
14　MS. GRINNELL:
I'll spell them.
15　I'll start with the creditor's names.
The
16　creditor's names are Rong Zhang, and that's -- the
17　first name is Rong, R-O-N-G, Z-H-A-N-G.
18　The second creditor's name is Xiaodan
19　Wang.
And her first name is spelled X-I-A-O-D-A-N.
20　And her last name is spelled W-A-N-G.
21　And then the third creditor, Chong Shen
22　Raphanella.
And her first name is C-H-O-N-G. And
23　then the second name is S-H-E-N.
And the third name
24　is R-A-P-H-A-N-E-L-L-A.
25　THE INTERPRETER:
I only got Chong Shen

 Ho Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022 7 1 and R-A-P-H-A-L. 2 MS. GRINNELL: I'm sorry. Are you asking 3 me to spell the third name again? 4 (No response.) 5 Sorry? I apologize. My connection is 6 very bad. Do you need me to spell any of the names 7 again? 8 THE INTERPRETER: I think I'm okay. I 9 repeat it to Mr. Kwok already. 10 MS. GRINNELL: Okay. 11 MS. CLAIBORN: Are there any other 12 creditors on the line or parties on the line? 13 MS. ZAMIR: This is Amy Zamir, from 14 Nessenoff & Miltenberg. I'm spell that. My last 15 name is Zamir, Z-A-M-I-R. Nessenoff is N-E-S-S-E-N-16 O-F-F, and Miltenberg, M-I-L-T-E-N-B-E-R-G. And we 17 represent creditor Sam Nunberg, N-U-N-B-E-R-G. 18 MS. CLAIBORN: Is there anyone else who 19 would like to put their appearance on the record. 20 MS. KUZNICK: Yes. This is Emily Kuznick, 21 E-M-I-L-Y, and then Kuznick, K-U-Z-N-I-C-K, of 22 Stroock, Stroock and Lavan, that's S-T-R-O-O-C-K, 23 and Stroock, and Lavan is L-A-V-A-N. And we 24 represent the Sherry Netherland. And for Sherry 25 Netherland it's S-H-E-R-R-Y, and then Netherland, N-

 Ho Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022 8 1 E-T-H-E-R-L-A-N-D. 2 THE INTERPRETER: I'm clarifying what he 3 said. 4 (Interpretation.) 5 THE INTERPRETER: Let me continue 6 clarifying what was yelled out just now. 7 (Interpretation.) 8 THE INTERPRETER: I'm sorry. The 9 interpreter cannot get that. Nobody picked up my 10 question so I don't know. 11 MS. CLAIBORN: Thank you, Bin. 12 Any other creditors or parties in interest 13 before I go back to the debtor? 14 MR. HARBACH: This is David Harbach, from 15 O'Melveny and Myers, representing PACS. I just 16 wanted to clarify that is it correct that we have 17 not gotten an answer from the debtor about what he 18 just said? 19 I have not heard any interpretation of it 20 and I understand the interpreter was attempting to 21 clarify what was said but the debtor did not 22 respond, as far as I heard, and we'd like to know 23 what he said. 24 MR. BALDIGA: This is Bill Baldiga. I'll 25 accept your apologies. That was not the debtor, but

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1　I accept your apology for that inference.
2　MS. CLAIBORN:
I'm going to come back to
3　that a in minute.
4　MR. HARBACH:
Okay.
(Indiscernible)
5　whether I should apologize, but can we inquire then
6　who made the outburst?
The interpreter was
7　attempting to clarify and so are we.
Forgive the
8　inference.
9　THE INTERPRETER:
So I interpreted what
10　you requested.
Just now someone burst out with a
11　few words -- with sentences.
The interpreter did
12　not get those sentences.
So the interpreter tried
13　to clarify who talked and what those words are, but
14　nobody picked up the interpreter's question.
15　MS. CLAIBORN:
This is Holley Claiborn.
16　Could the person who spoke up please answer the
17　interpreter's question and identify themselves?
18　THE INTERPRETER:
Sorry about that.
Just
19　now it was it was just a video tape. It was not
20　someone talked.
21　MR. BALDIGA:
This is Bill Baldiga.
Mr.
22　Kwok -- what Mr. Kwok heard during that outburst was
23　someone playing back an audio of his voice and we do
24　want to know everyone who is on the phone and we
25　would like identified who played that audio clip.

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1　Thank you.
2　UNIDENTIFIED:
Sorry, it was me. I played
3　Mr. Kwok's video just now.
4　MS. CLAIBORN:
Could the person who just
5　spoke identify themselves?
6　THE INTERPRETER:
The interpreter needs to
7　clarify.
8　(Interpreter inquires)
9　MR. YAN:
My name is Xingyu Yan. I'm one of
10　Mr. Kwok's creditors.
11　MR. BALDIGA:
Can we have the spelling,
12　please?
Could we obtain the spelling of that name
13　please?
14　MR. YAN:
The spelling is X, for Xray, I, as
15　India, N, as in Nancy, G as in George, Y as in Yes,
16　U as in umbrella.
Last name Y, A as in apple, N as
17　in Nancy.
18　MR. BALDIGA:
Ms. Claiborn, Bill Baldiga
19　again.
Could you please exhaust the names of
20　everyone else on the line, just so we know who is
21　participating, whether or not they intend to ask
22　questions?
23　MS. CLAIBORN:
I'm trying to get there.
24　That was my -- okay.
25　Is anyone else on the line?
If you are on

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1　the line, and you could please identify yourself?
2　MR. GREIF:
Hello.
My name is Steven Greif,
3　G-R-E-I-F.
4　MR. WARREN:
Steven Warren of O'Melveny &
5　Myers.
6　MR. JALBERT:
Craig Jalbert of
7　(indiscernible).
8　INDISCERNIBLE:
(Indiscernible)
from
9　Robinson and Cole.
10　INDISCERNIBLE:
(Indiscernible)
from
11　Stroock, Stroock and Lavan.
12　MS. DEERING:
Alexandra Deering of Brown
13　Rudnick.
14　MS. CLAIBORN:
This is Holley Claiborn
15　again. Thank you all for putting your appearances on
16　the record.
And if I could go back to debtor's
17　camp, Mr. Baldiga, could you put your appearance on
18　the record and note everybody who's with you at your
19　location.
20　MR. BALDIGA:
Yes.
We're in our --
21　I'm sorry. I missed what was just said.
22　MS. CLAIBORN:
Mr. Baldiga, could you go
23　ahead, please?
Mr. Baldiga, could you go ahead,
24　please?
25　MR. BALDIGA:
Yes.
Thank you.
We are at
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our offices at 7 Times Square in New York.
And can you please state the name, Mr.
Baldiga, of who is present with you?
(No response.)
MS. CLAIBORN:
Mr. Baldiga, could you please
state the names of the people who are with you?
MR. BALDIGA:
Ben Silverberg and Uri Pinelo.
MS. CLAIBORN:
Okay.
Other names I believe
I heard earlier are Una Menye (ph), who is an
interpreter, and Attorney Aaron Mitchell.
MR. BALDIGA:
That's right.
Yes.
Ms. CLAIBORN:
Okay. I'm going to swear in
Mr. Kwok and I would ask everyone to put their
phones on mute.
(The debtor is sworn.)
MS. CLAIBORN: Mr. Kwok, as you know, today's
meeting is being recorded and there's an
interpreter, Bin, who's interpreting my questions
and the comments of others and will also be
interpreting your answers.
Please wait to answer any questions you are
asked today until the official interpreter has made
a full translation.
I ask that you do not communicate with your
own interpreter who is present with you before you

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1　answer the questions, and should you do so, I will
2　ask the official interpreter to translate that
3　discussion.
4　THE INTERPRETER:
Sorry.
Could you please
5　repeat?
6　MS. CLAIBORN:
Mr. Kwok, I ask that you do
7　not communicate with your own interpreter who is
8　with you today before you answer my questions or the
9　questions of others.
10　THE INTERPRETER:
He could not use his own
11　interpreter.
12　MS. CLAIBORN:
Bin, could you translate that
13　instruction for Mr. Kwok.
14　MR. BALDIGA:
This is Bill Baldiga.
15　To the extent --
16　MS. CLAIBORN:
Mr. Baldiga, could you just
17　wait for Bin to interpret that instruction for me
18　and then you can make your comment.
19　MR. BALDIGA:
Two things.
This is Bill
20　Baldiga.
21　Holley, you've become quite muffled again
22　and second, to the extent that Mr. Kwok needs to
23　talk to his interpreter to better understand what
24　was said or the interpreter in the room with us
25　believes that there was a misinterpretation, we will

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tell you that so that you do know if there is a

further conversation.
MS. CLAIBORN:
Thank you.
HO WAN KWOK, Sworn
EXAMINATION BY MS. CLAIBORN:
Q
Mr. Kwok, can you please explain the reason
to file your Chapter 11 bankruptcy case?
UNIDENTIFIED:
Sorry?
Q
Mr. Kwok, please explain the reasons behind
your decision to file your Chapter 11 bankruptcy
case?
MR. HARBACH:
This is David Harbach.
We're
having trouble understanding you again.
MS. CLAIBORN:
I apologize.
My phone system
is new and I'm yelling into the phone, but unless I
put it on speaker phone I won't be able to record
it.
Does yelling improve your ability to hear me?
MR. HARBACH:
It's very difficult to
understand your questions because they're so
muffled.
It's not volume, it's diction, if I may be
blunt.
MS. CLAIBORN:
I will try to speak slowly.
Is that any better?
MR. BALDIGA:
It seems to be, yes.
Thank
you.

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2　Q
Okay.
We're going to try this again.
3　Mr. Kwok, can you please explain your
4　reasons behind filing your Chapter 11 bankruptcy
5　case?
6　A
I cannot understand you.
I don't know what
7　you mean by filing Chapter 11 of bank.
8　Q
Mr. Kwok, why did you file your bankruptcy
9　case?
10　THE INTERPRETER:
The interpreter would like
11　to clarify the word he said.
12　A
I'm not filing any bankruptcy certificate.
13　Q
Let me try again.
14　Mr. Kwok, you are a Chapter 11 debtor in a
15　bankruptcy proceeding here in the United States.
16　Mr. Kwok, what were the reasons behind your
17　decision to file your bankruptcy case?
18　A
So you're asking me why I'm applying for
19　bankruptcy, right?
20　Q
Yes.
21　A
I filed (indiscernible)
in mid-February in
22　my second trial, or second appearance in Southern
23　District. I was given a fine of \$120 million and I
24　was ordered to pay it off within five days.
So
25　without any choices -- so I filed bankruptcy

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1　application at Connecticut state and Chapter 11.
2　Q
Mr. Kwok, when was the first time you spoke
3　with a lawyer about filing a bankruptcy case?
4　MR. BALDIGA:
Just the date, or the
5　approximate date.
Not the substance of the advice.
6　A
Approximately 12, 13.
7　Q
Can you please provide the month and the
8　year?
9　A
It was February the 12th of 2002.
10　Q
Did you say 2002 or 2021?
11　A
2022.
February the 12th or 13.
12　Q
Mr. Kwok, I'd ask you to take a look at your
13　bankruptcy petition that was filed with the
14　bankruptcy court at ECF 1.
15　Mr. Kwok, a handwritten signature appears on
16　that petition. Is that your handwritten signature?
17　A
Hold on a second. I'll ask the lawyer to get
18　it and I'll take a look.
19　MR. BALDIGA:
This is Bill Baldiga.
We have
20　with us the petition with the electronic signature
21　as filed.
I don't have in the conference room me
22　the handwritten signature.
If you'd like us to get
23　it, we could get it at a break.
24　Q
Mr. Kwok, can you take a look at the
25　document that your counsel has, which is the

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1　bankruptcy petition with your printed name on it and
2　confirm that you signed that document prior to it
3　being filed with the court?
4　A
Please hold on one second.
Let me take a
5　look.
6　MR. BALDIGA:
Could I hear the translation,
7　please.
I want to hear the translation of what you
8　said.
9　(No response.)
10　MR. BALDIGA:
Is the translator still with
11　us?
12　MS. CLAIBORN:
Bin, are you on the line?
13　(No response.)
14　Bin, are you there?
15　(No response.)
16　It seems that Bin has left us so I'm going
17　to put everybody on hold and I'm going to try to
18　reconnect her. I apologize.
19　MR. BALDIGA:
That's okay.
Could we take a
20　short break?
21　MS. CLAIBORN:
It's going to take me a few
22　minutes to do that, so go ahead and we'll reconvene
23　as soon as I can get her on the line.
24　MR. BALDIGA:
Thank you very much.
25　(Off the record.)

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1　MS. CLAIBORN:
We are back on the record
2　after a short break due to some technical
3　difficulties.
4　BY MS. CLAIBORN:
5　Q
The pending question was asking Mr. Kwok to
6　confirm that he signed the bankruptcy petition that
7　was filed at ECF 1.
8　A
I have finished looking at it, yes.
9　Q
Mr. Kwok, did you read and understand the
10　bankruptcy petition and information it contains
11　before you signed it?
12　A
Yes, I understood.
13　Q
Mr. Kwok, was the petition translated into
14　another language for you before you signed it?
15　A
Yes, it was translated into Chinese for me.
16　Q
Who translated the bankruptcy petition?
17　A
My lawyer did.
18　Q
Mr. Kwok, I don't think that Mr. Baldiga
19　speaks Chinese.
20　So who was the company or the person that
21　you used to translate the petition for you?
22　A
I don't know.
23　Q
Mr. Kwok, is the information in your
24　bankruptcy petition true and accurate to the best of
25　your knowledge?

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1　A
Yes, it is accurate and true.
2　Q
Mr. Kwok, can you please take a look at the
3　declaration and about individual debtor's schedules
4　that was filed with the court docket at ECF No. 79.
5　THE INTERPRETER:
Sorry, could you please
6　repeat?
7　Q
Mr. Kwok, can you please take a look at the
8　declaration about an individual debtor's schedules
9　that was filed with the bankruptcy court at ECF 79.
10　Mr. Kwok, a handwritten signature appears on
11　that declaration. Is that your handwritten
12　signature?
13　A
The document in my hand.
Yes, it was signed
14　by me.
15　Q
And are you looking at ECF no. 79?
16　A
Yes.
17　Q
Mr. Kwok, was the declaration that was filed
18　at ECF 79 translated into another language for you
19　before you signed it?
20　A
Yes.
21　Q
What language was it translated into?
22　A
Chinese.
23　Q
Mr. Kwok, do you know who did the
24　translation of ECF no. 79?

25 A Yes.

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1　Q
And who was that person who translated ECF
2　79 into Chinese for you?
3　A
The lawyer.
4　Q
Can you tell me the name of the lawyer?
5　A
Bill.
6　MR. BALDIGA:
This is Bill Baldiga.
The
7　witness is not distinguishing between what I did
8　personally and what we had commissioned, to help
9　clarify.
I do not obviously do translations myself.
10　MS. CLAIBORN:
Attorney Baldiga, can you
11　tell me the name of the translation person who
12　worked for you or the name of the company?
13　MR. BALDIGA:
I'll have to get that. I don't
14　have it here.
15　Q
Mr. Kwok, did you read and understand the
16　declaration filed at ECF no. 79 before you signed
17　it?
18　A
Yes, understood.
19　Q
Mr. Kwok, can you please take a look at your
20　bankruptcy schedules that were filed with the
21　bankruptcy court at ECF 78.
22　And Mr. Kwok, for purposes of today, when I
23　used the term schedules, either collectively or by a
24　particular schedule, I'm referring to the documents
25　that were filed at ECF 78.

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1　Mr. Kwok, were your bankruptcy schedules
2　translated for you?
3　A
Yes, it was translated.
4　Q　Mr. Kwok, were you involved in preparing the
5　responses and the answers to the questions in the
6　schedules?
7　A
Yes, I was.
8　Q　Mr. Kwok, did you read and understand all of
9　the responses and the answers to the questions in
10　the schedules before you signed the declaration that
11　was filed at ECF 79.
12　A
Yes.
13　Q　Mr. Kwok, who assisted you in the
14　preparation of your bankruptcy schedules?
15　A
The lawyer.
16　Q　Mr. Kwok, can you tell me which lawyers
17　helped you?
18　A
Bill.
19　Q　Mr. Kwok, are you referring to Attorney
20　Baldiga?
21　A
Yes.
22　Q　Mr. Kwok, did any other lawyers help you in
23　preparing your bankruptcy schedules?
24　A
Yes.
25　Q　Can you please tell me the names of the

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1　other lawyers who assisted you?
2　A
I don't know how to say their names. I
3　cannot read English well.
4　MR. BALDIGA:
This is Bill Baldiga. I'm
5　happy to add that, of course, other of our
6　colleagues here at Brown Rudnick assisted. But I'm
7　not sure Mr. Kwok would have details as to who
8　exactly assisted on what part of it, but you could
9　ask, of course.
10　Q
Mr. Kwok, did any lawyer help you prepare
11　your schedules who is not a lawyer at Brown Rudnick?
12　MR. BALDIGA:
Excuse me. I need to talk with
13　Mr. Kwok for one second. I'm just going to put you
14　on mute for one second.
15　MS. CLAIBORN:
I'd prefer he answer the
16　question before you have your conference, Mr.
17　Baldiga.
18　A
Because the whole bankruptcy application,
19　the whole stuff was arranged by this lawyer.
But I
20　don't know all the other details.
21　MS. CLAIBORN:
Do you want to confer with
22　your client?
23　MR. BALDIGA:
I'll clarify only that Mr.
24　Kwok likely does not know of all of the
25　conversations that we've had with others, but this

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1　is the opportunity to exam him, so you can obviously
2　ask that but we don't want to be misleading.
3　Q
Mr. Kwok, aside from Mr. Baldiga and lawyers
4　at Brown Rudnick did you speak with any other
5　lawyers about preparing your bankruptcy schedules?
6　A
Yes.
7　Q
Who did you speak with?
8　A
Another law firm called Ari and my personal
9　lawyer (indiscernible).
10　Q
What is the name of your personal lawyer?
11　MR. BALDIGA:
Could I confer and I might be
12　able to answer that question?
13　MS. CLAIBORN:
Go ahead.
14　MR. BALDIGA:
Could I have a second to
15　confer, please?
16　MS. CLAIBORN:
Yes.
17　(Pause.)
18　MR. BALDIGA:
Thank you.
19　Q
Mr. Kwok, what is the name of your personal
20　lawyer?
21　A
Guy Petrillo and
Ari (indiscernible).
22　Q
Mr. Kwok do I understand correctly that you
23　discussed your bankruptcy schedules with Guy
24　Petrillo and Aaron Mitchell?
25　A
Yes.

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1　Q
Mr. Kwok, did you discuss your bankruptcy

2　schedules with any other lawyers that you haven't
3　yet told me about today?
4　A
I don't remember.
5　Q
Mr. Kwok, are there any errors or omissions
6　in your bankruptcy schedules?
7　A
I don't see anything like that now.
8　Q
Mr. Kwok, is everything in your bankruptcy
9　schedules true and accurate to the best of your
10　knowledge?
11　A
Yes.
12　Q
Mr. Kwok, could you please take a look at
13　your bankruptcy statement of financial affairs that
14　was filed with the court at ECF no. 77.
15　Mr. Kwok, using the numbers at the top of
16　the document can you please go to page 20 where you
17　will find a handwritten signature.
18　THE INTERPRETER: Sorry?
19　Q
Where you will find a handwritten signature.
20　Mr. Kwok, is the handwritten signature on
21　page 20 of the statement of financial affairs your
22　own?
23　A
Yes.
24　Q
Mr. Kwok, was the statement of financial
25　affairs translated for you before you signed it?

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1　A　Yes.
2　Q　Mr. Kwok, were you involved in the preparing
3　of the responses and the answers to the questions in
4　the statement of financial affairs?
5　A　Yes.
6　Q　Mr. Kwok, did you read and understand all
7　the responses and answers to the questions in the
8　statement of financial affairs before you signed it?
9　A　I understood all.
10　Q　Mr. Kwok, are there any errors or omissions
11　in your statement of financial affairs?
12　A　No.
13　(No response.)
14　Q　Mr. Kwok, would you please answer the
15　question?
16　MR. BALDIGA:　I'm sorry.
Could you repeat
17　that?　We didn't get the interpretation here in the
18　room for some reason.
19　MS. CLAIBORN:　I'll ask the question again.
20　Q　Are there any errors or omissions in your
21　statement of financial affairs?
22　A　Up to now I haven't found any errors or
23　omissions.
24　Q　Mr. Kwok, is everything in your statement of
25　financial affairs true and accurate to the best of

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1　your knowledge?
2　A　Yes.
3　Q　Mr. Kwok, who assisted you in the
4　preparation of your statement of financial affairs?
5　A　My lawyer, Bill, and my financial advisor,
6　Matt.
7　Q　Mr. Kwok, are you referring to Attorney
8　Baldiga?
9　A　Yes.
10　Q　And what is the name -- the full name of the
11　financial advisor?
12　A　I don't know how to spell it.
13　MR. BALDIGA:　It's Matt Flynn and colleagues
14　at Verdolino and Lowey.　But you could --
15　Q　Mr. Kwok, is that correct?
16　A　I'm afraid I will say it wrong, but I will
17　ask for Mr. -- my lawyer Baldiga to clarify for you.
18　Q　We can move on.
19　MR. BALDIGA:　This is Bill Baldiga.
20　Mr. Kwok simply does not know the full name
21　of Matt Flynn or Matt's colleagues at Verlino and
22　Lowey, but I confirm that he is pointing at Matt
23　Flynn next to him when he answers the question.
24　MS. CLAIBORN:　Thank you.
25　Q　Mr. Kwok, did anyone else help you with your

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1　statement of financial affairs?
2　A
No.
3　Q
Mr. Kwok, how long have you lived in the
4　United States?
5　A
Nearly seven years.
6　MR. HARBACH:
This is David Harbach.
I
7　didn't get the translation of the answer.
8　MS. CLAIBORN:
Bin, can you please repeat
9　your translation.
10　THE INTERPRETER:
Nearly 7 years.
11　Q
Mr. Kwok, do you still live at the Taconic
12　Road property in Greenwich?
13　A
Yes.
14　Q
Who owns that property in Greenwich?
15　A
My wife.
16　Q
Your bankruptcy documents refer to a company
17　called Greenwich Land, LLC.
Who owns that company?
18　A
My wife.
19　Q
What is your wife's name?
20　A
(Indiscernible)
21　MS. CLAIBORN:
Bin, could you please
22　translate that for me into a spelling?
23　THE INTERPRETER:
Let me just clarify with
24　him which Chinese characters are, then I can spell
25　it for you.

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1　A　My wife's name is read at (indiscernible)
2　but she's from -- she's from Hong Kong.
Their
3　spelling is different from Mainland and I don't know
4　how to spell her name.
5　Q　Mr. Kwok, could you just please spell her
6　last name?
7　A　I don't know how to spell.
8　Q　Does anyone else have a membership interest
9　in Greenwich Land LLC aside from your wife?
10　A　I don't know.
11　Q　When was Greenwich Land LLC formed as a
12　company?
13　A　2020.
14　Q　Mr. Kwok, have you ever been a member of
15　Greenwich Land, LLC?
16　A　No.
17　Q　How much did Greenwich Land, LLC pay for the
18　purchase of the Greenwich property on Taconic Road?
19　A　I don't know specifically but approximately
20　5 million.
21　Q　And how was that purchase funded?
22　A　I don't know.
23　Q　Who would know the answer, Mr. Kwok?
24　THE INTERPRETER:　Sorry?
25　Q　Who would know the answer to that, Mr. Kwok?

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1　A
My wife knows.
2　MR. HARBACH:
This is David Harbach and I
3　apologize for the interruption.
4　We missed the translation by the number of
5　that Mr. Kwok said approximately this kind of
6　property would cost.
Could that please be repeated?
7　THE INTERPRETER:
Sorry, the interpreter
8　cannot hear you clearly.
9　MS. CLAIBORN:
Mr. Harbach, I will ask your
10　question again.
11　MR. HARBACH:
Thank you.
12　Q
How much was the Taconic Road property in
13　Greenwich purchased for?
14　A
I don't know clearly but approximately 4
15　million to 5 million.
16　Q
When did Greenwich Land LLC purchase the
17　property on Taconic Road in Greenwich?
18　A
I don't know the specific time.
19　Q
Do you know the year?
20　A
2019 or 2020. I don't remember clearly.
21　(Unintelligible background chatter.)
22　MS. CLAIBORN:
Could whoever is speaking
23　identify themselves?
24　MR. BALDIGA:
Excuse me just for one second.
25　We may have a translation issue.
I'm just going to

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3 MR. BALDIGA: This is Bill Baldiga. We 4 believe that the answer by Mr. Kwok to the date was 5 2019 or 2020, but the translator may have said 2020 6 without a mention of 2019. I obviously don't know. 7 But that's -- if it matters, you could re-ask to be 8 sure that there's clarity around that?

9 Q Mr. Kwok, when did Greenwich Land LLC 10 purchase the Taconic Road property in Greenwich? 11 A Maybe it's 2020 or maybe it's 2019. I don't 12 remember clearly. I don't know.

13 Q Mr. Kwok, did you sign any documents in 14 connection with the purchase of the Taconic Road 15 Property in Greenwich?

16 A No.

17 Q Mr. Kwok, who lives at the Taconic Road 18 property in Greenwich?

19 THE INTERPRETER: Sorry? Who -- 20 Q Who lives at the Taconic Road property in 21 Greenwich? 22 A My wife and I. Sometimes my daughter who 23 lives in New York will come back. 24 Q Mr. Kwok, are you currently employed by

25 anyone?

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1　THE INTERPRETER:
Are you what?
2　Q
Are you currently employed by anyone or any
3　company?
4　A
No.
5　Q
Mr. Kwok, have you had any employment or any
6　job with an employer since you started living in the
7　United States?
8　A
I don't remember clearly.
I don't remember
9　clearly but approximately in 2015 at Golden Spring I
10　worked for some time.
After I got part of my wages
11　of salary I left and nothing else.
12　Q
What work did you do for Golden Spring in
13　2015?
14　A
I don't remember quite clearly but it seems
15　it (indiscernible)
I was put in charge of
16　developing (indiscernible)
investors. But I don't
17　remember clearly.
18　Q
Mr. Kwok, when did you stop working for
19　Golden Spring?
20　MR. BALDIGA:
Excuse me just one second. I
21　just want to make sure we -- excuse me for one
22　second. I just want to make sure we don't
23　(indiscernible) translation.
We may.
24　(Pause.)
25　MR. BALDIGA:
Our interpreter believes that

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1　the response was that if he had a role at Golden
2　Springs, it was to develop investment opportunities
3　not to develop investors.
4　Q
Mr. Kwok, when did you stop working for
5　Golden Spring?
6　A
I don't remember clearly.
7　Q
Mr. Kwok, when you say Golden Spring, are
8　you referring to the company known as Golden Spring,
9　New York, Limited?
10　A
Yes.
11　Q
Mr. Kwok, did you get paid for any of the
12　work that you for Golden Spring?
13　A
Yes.
14　Q
How much were you paid?
15　A
Approximately 200,000. I don't remember
16　specifically.
17　Q
Mr. Kwok, did you receive a paycheck from
18　your work at Golden Spring?
19　A
I should have but I don't remember clearly
20　specifically.
21　Q
Mr. Kwok, did you put the money that you
22　were paid by Golden Spring into a bank account?
23　A
I should have put it into a credit card
24　account at Morgan Stanley.
25　Q
Mr. Kwok, are you saying that you had a bank

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1　account at Morgan Stanley?
2　A
Yes, once I had.
3　Q
Do you still have a bank account at Morgan
4　Stanley?
5　A
No.
6　Q
When did you close your accounts at Morgan
7　Stanley?
8　A
Around April, 2017 when (indiscernible)
the
9　Chinese Communist Party stated chasing me and
10　(indiscernible)
me.
So all my bank accounts were
11　closed.
12　MR. BALDIGA:
Hold on.
There's a
13　mistranslation there.
14　(Pause.)
15　MR. BALDIGA:
The prior misstatement or
16　mistranslation was just the interpretation of the
17　word. But here the entire crux of the answer was
18　left out.
And I'm not sure what happened.
19　MS. CLAIBORN:
Maybe I can ask a different
20　question. We can try again.
21　MR. BALDIGA:
No, I think -- no, I think --
22　the answer -- I'm concerned with the accuracy of the
23　translation because there was specific mention of
24　names that were simply not produced in the answer.
25　And I'll guess, Bin, did you not hear the mention of

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1　PACS and Bruno Wu, or was there a sound issue, or

2　what happened?
3　(Interpreter translates)
4　MS. CLAIBORN:
Mr. Kwok, did you --
5　MR. KWOK:
So Bruno Wu, (indiscernible)
6　Airlines and also Chinese Communist party, they all
7　chased me and wanted to kill me.
So I
8　(indiscernible)
-- all my bank accounts were
9　closed.
10　PAC, PACS.
(Indiscernible)
all the people
11　are present today at today's meeting.
12　MR. BALDIGA:
Could we have on the record
13　the entirety of what Mr. Kwok said.
That's a very
14　small part of what he said, obviously.
I don't know
15　what he said but that's much shorter.
16　(Interpreter translates)
17　THE INTERPRETER:
The interpreter is asking
18　him to (indiscernible)
every two names so that I
19　can maintain the integrity of his meaning.
20　MR. KWOK:
At today's meeting there are PAC,
21　one of the major creditors.
And also
22　(indiscernible).
And also (indiscernible)
member.
23　All the money that had to be paid went into an
24　account of the Communist Party under the name of
25　Bruno Wu.
So since that day when all the -- all the

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1　representatives of the Chinese Communist party -- so
2　when the chasing and killing started I lost all my
3　bank accounts.
4　MR. HARBACH:
This is David Harbach.
Bin,
5　could you please repeat that?
6　THE INTERPRETER:
Sorry?
7　MR. HARBACH:
This is David Harbach.
You
8　just translated an answer that began with since that
9　day.
Can you please repeat the answer in English?
10　THE INTERPRETER:
Since that day all those
11　people who are representatives of Chinese Communist
12　Party, since that day I lost all my bank accounts.
13　BY MS. CLAIBORN:
14　Q
Mr. Kwok, did you have any money in your
15　Morgan Stanley account when you closed it?
16　A
Yes.
17　Q
And where did you move that money to?
18　A
Nobody bothered looking at me again since
19　the account was closed.
20　Q
Mr. Kwok, my question is where did you move
21　the money to?
22　MR. BALDIGA:
This is Bill Baldiga -- I'm
23　sorry.
This is Bill Baldiga.
24　Could you ask if perhaps you're inferring or
25　implying that he moved it as opposed to something

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1　happened to it?
Could you ask it in a more neutral

2　way and you may get a more full answer?
3　Q
Mr. Kwok, did you or someone acting on your
4　behalf close the Morgan Stanley account?
5　A
The Communist Party, Bruno Wu and also the
6　(indiscernible).
It was closed by the Communist
7　party.
8　Q
Mr. Kwok, was the Morgan Stanley account in
9　the United States?
10　A
Yes.
11　Q
Mr. Kwok, how does somebody other than you,
12　or someone acting on your behalf close a bank
13　account in your name?
14　THE INTERPRETER:
He wants me to repeat the
15　question, the interpretation of the question.
16　(Interpreter translates again.)
17　A
It's the core control of the Communist
18　Party, like what's happening today. The same thing.
19　(Indiscernible)
happened on me.
20　MR. BALDIGA:
Ms. Claiborn, could I suggest
21　that you ask whether Morgan Stanley closed the
22　account, just so we could be more efficient here?
23　Q
Mr. Kwok, did you close the account at
24　Morgan Stanley?
25　THE INTERPRETER:
Sorry?

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1　Q
Mr. Kwok, did you close the account at
2　Morgan Stanley?
3　THE INTERPRETER:
I'm sorry. I still didn't
4　quite get the question actually.
5　Q
Mr. Kwok, did you personally close the
6　account at Morgan Stanley?
7　A
No.
8　Q
Mr. Kwok, did you ask someone at Morgan
9　Stanley to close your account?
10　A
No.
11　Q
Mr. Kwok, how did you find out that your
12　bank account at Morgan Stanley was closed?
13　A
Morgan Stanley notified me that I was on the
14　wanted list of the Chinese government.
So it was
15　Bruno Wu who was representing (indiscernible)
name
16　on the wanted list so the account was closed.
17　Q
Mr. Kwok, when Morgan Stanley closed the
18　account, what happened to the money in the account?
19　MR. HARBACH:
Ms. Claiborn, this is David
20　Harbach. I'm sorry. I missed the second half of that
21　question.
When Morgan Stanley closed the account
22　and then I lost you.
23　Q
I'll repeat my question.
24　Mr. Kwok, when Morgan Stanley closed the
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1　account?
2　A
The last thing I know was a Chinese speaking
3　person called me telling me that my account was
4　closed because I was under a wanted list of the
5　Chinese government.
And what happened later on I
6　don't know really.
7　Q
Mr. Kwok, how much money was in the --
8　MR. BALDIGA:
This is Bill Baldiga --
9　MS. CLAIBORN:
Yes, Mr. Baldiga?
10　MR. BALDIGA:
This is Bill Baldiga. I think
11　it would be helpful -- I don't want to interrupt
12　your flow of questions, if we took a break pretty
13　soon.
But if you want to finish this line, certain
14　do that.
15　I also want -- there may be some confusion
16　with the Morgan name and so you may want to ask the
17　witness whether it's, in fact, Morgan Stanley or JP
18　Morgan Chase.
19　MR. KWOK:
Now I remember. I think it was JP
20　Morgan Chase.
I just cannot differentiate. I get
21　confused with Morgan Stanley or JP Morgan Chase.
22　Q
Mr. Kwok, was there only one account at
23　whatever it is you're calling it, be it JP Morgan
24　Chase or Morgan Stanley?
25　A
What I remember is I have this only one

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1　account.
2　Q
How much money was in that account
3　approximately when it was closed?
4　A
A few thousand U.S. dollars.
5　MR. HARBACH:
I missed it. Can you repeat
6　the English, please?
7　MS. CLAIBORN:
Bin, can you please repeat
8　the answer?
9　(No response.)
10　MS. CLAIBORN:
Bin, can you please repeat
11　the answer?
12　MR. HARBACH:
This is David Harbach. I
13　missed the translation before the word thousand. I
14　did not hear the number.
Could you please repeat
15　it?
16　THE INTERPRETER:
He said a few thousand
17　U.S. dollars.
18　Q
Mr. Kwok, when you say a few thousand
19　dollars, can you give me an idea of what you mean?
20　Was it under \$10,000?
21　A
I don't remember.
22　Q
Mr. Kwok, a few minutes ago you testified
23　that you were working for Golden Spring developing
24　investment opportunities.
Can you explain more?
25　THE INTERPRETER:
Sorry?

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1　MS. CLAIBORN:
I wasn't finished with the
2　question. I apologize. I'll try again.
3　Q
Mr. Kwok, a few minutes ago you testified
4　that you were working for Golden Spring developing
5　investment opportunities.
Can you please explain
6　what you mean by that?
7　A
I don't remember.
8　Q
When you were working for Golden Spring,
9　were you working in the United States?
10　A
Yes.
11　Q
When you were working with Golden Spring did
12　you have a job title?
13　A
I don't remember.
14　Q
When you were working for Golden Spring, did
15　you do any other work aside from developing
16　investment opportunities?
17　A
(indiscernible)
Communist Party of China.
18　Q
Can you please explain that?
19　A
Since 2015 up till now I have been spending
20　all my time and my energy on collecting information
21　about corruption and also human rights issues and
22　assassinations of the Community Party.
That's my
23　target and my work.
24　Q
Mr. Kwok, do you currently have any source

25 of income?

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1　THE INTERPRETER:
I didn't get you.
Could
2　you please repeat?
3　Q
Mr. Kwok, do you currently have a source of
4　income?
5　A
No.
6　Q
Mr. Kwok, have you filed your tax returns
7　for the year 2021 with the Internal Revenue Service
8　in the United States?
9　A
No.
10　Q
Mr. Kwok, have you filed any tax returns in
11　states for the tax year 2021?
12　THE INTERPRETER:
Sorry?
13　Q
Have you filed any tax returns for any
14　states for the tax year 2021?
15　A
No.
16　Q
What tax returns will you need to file for
17　what states for the year 2021?
18　A
Individual tax file in Connecticut.
19　Q
Will you be filing a tax return for the
20　State of New York for the year 2021?
21　A
No.
22　Q
Mr. Kwok, you previously provided to my
23　office tax returns for the years 2019 and 2020.
Are
24　those tax returns the same as the tax returns you
25　filed with the Internal Revenue Service in the State

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1　of New York?

2　THE INTERPRETER:
Sorry, the date of what?
3　MS. CLAIBORN:
2019 and 2020.
4　THE INTERPRETER:
Yes, I got that.
What's
5　the later part?
6　MS. CLAIBORN:
The State of New York.
7　A
No, I filed them in Connecticut, 2020.
8　Q
Mr. Kwok --
9　A
I in (indiscernible)
for 2019 and 2020.
10　2020 I filed in Connecticut.
11　MR. BALDIGA:
Holley, can we take a break
12　soon?
13　MS. CLAIBORN:
Unfortunately, I'm going to
14　suggest that we can't really take a break because we
15　only have the interpreter until 2:00.
So if we do,
16　it needs to be a very, very short one.
17　MR. BALDIGA:
Okay. Five minutes?
18　MS. CLAIBORN:
Yeah, let me just ask one
19　question before we do that.
20　Q
Mr. Kwok, please confirm that the tax
21　returns that you provided to the United States
22　Trustee for the year 2020 and 2019 were the same as
23　those filed with the taxing authorities?
24　THE INTERPRETER:
The what?
Sorry, the last
25　word.

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1　MS. CLAIBORN:
Authorities.
2　Q
Yes --
3　THE INTERPRETER:
Could you please repeat?
4　Sorry.
5　Q
Mr. Kwok, can you please confirm that the
6　tax returns that you provided to the Office of the
7　United States Trustee for the tax years 2019 and
8　2020 are the same as those that you provided to the
9　Internal Revenue Service and to the State of
10　Connecticut and to the State of New York?
11　A
Yes.
12　Q
Mr. Kwok, in your 2020 tax return --
13　MR. BALDIGA:
I want to clarify.
As you
14　know, there were very limited redactions as to
15　Social Security number and maybe a couple of data
16　points. I'm not sure if the witness knows what we
17　did by way of that data protection, but you do. I
18　just wanted to not leave the record ambiguous in
19　that regard.
20　MS. CLAIBORN:
Thank you.
21　Q
Mr. Kwok, your 2020 tax return reports
22　interest income only and no other source of income.
23　Did you have any other source of income in 2020?
24　A
No.
25　MS. CLAIBORN:
Okay. I'm going to take a

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1　very short break. It is now 12:30. I would like

2　everyone to reconvene at 12:35. I'm not going to
3　disconnect the call.
I'm just going ask you to all
4　put your phones on hold.
5　We will reconvene at 12:35.
Thank you.
6　(Off the record.)
7　MS. CLAIBORN:
Okay.
We are back on the
8　record after a short break.
9 Q Mr. Kwok, I would like to talk to you about 10 Golden Spring, New York.

11 Do you currently work for Golden Spring in 12 any capacity?

13 A No.

14 Q When was Golden Spring New York Limited 15 formed?

16 THE INTERPRETER: Sorry?

17 Q When was Golden Spring New York Limited 18 formed?

19 THE INTERPRETER: Sorry, I cannot get the 20 later half. Golden New York what?

21 MS. CLAIBORN: I'm going to actually just 22 refer to it as Golden Spring. When I do that I'm 23 referring to Golden Spring New York.

24 Q When was Golden Spring formed as a company? 25 A I don't know.

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1　Q　The address on the petition is 162 East 64th
2　Street.　Who owns that property?
3　I can ask the question again.
4　The address for Golden Spring is listed as
5　162 East 64th Street in New York.　Who owns that
6　property?
7　A　I don't know.
8　Q　What is the nature of that property at 162
9　East 64th Street?
10　A　I don't know which property you're talking
11　about.
12　Q　The office of Golden Spring --
13　MR. BALDIGA:　I'm not sure that was --
14　MS. CLAIBORN:　Let me just try again.
15　The office of --
16　MR. BALDIGA:　There's a translation issue.
17　Could we confer for one second because
18　obviously there's a misunderstanding.　So could Mr.
19　Kwok talk to his translator because that obviously
20　didn't come through.
21　MS. CLAIBORN:　Let me just -- I would prefer
22　if I try again.　Let me try again, please.
23　Q　The address for Golden Spring on the
24　bankruptcy petition is listed as 162 East 64th
25　Street in New York.

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1　THE INTERPRETER:
Is it 54 or 64?
5-4 or 6-
2　4?
3　MS. CLAIBORN:
64.
4　THE INTERPRETER: So maybe because of the
5　phone I mistook the 6 as 5 so let me correct my
6　mistake and reinterpret again.
7　A　Yes, that's the address of Golden Spring.
8　Q　Does Golden Spring own that building that's
9　located at that address?
10　A　I don't know.
11　Q　Have you ever been to that address?
12　A　Yes.
13　Q　What type of building is it?
What's located
14　there?
15　A　It was a building.
16　Q　Is the building a residential building or a
17　commercial building?
18　A　Business building.
19　MS. CLAIBORN:
I'm sorry, Bin. I didn't hear
20　your translation.
21　THE INTERPRETER:
A commercial building or
22　business building.
23　Q　Does anyone live at that address?
24　A　I don't know.
25　Q　What type of business does Golden Spring do?

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1　A　It's a big family business my son works, but
2　I don't know specifically what categories of
3　business it has.
4　Q　Mr. Kwok, when you used the term --
5　A　It is a family office owned by my son.
He
6　has other businesses, but I don't know.
7　Q　Mr. Kwok, when you use the term family
8　business or family office, what do you mean by those
9　terms?
10　A　It's mainly for the whole family, all the
11　family members.
When there is something we
12　(indiscernible)
and help each other.
13　Q　Mr. Kwok, can you explain it in more detail?
14　A　I don't know how to explain.
15　Q　Does Golden Spring have any employees?
16　A　Yes.
17　Q　How many?
18　A　I don't know.
19　Q　Does Golden Spring own any real estate?
20　A　I don't know.
21　Q　Does Golden Spring own any other business?
22　A　I don't know.
23　Q　Does Golden Spring have any bank accounts?
24　A　I don't know.
25　Q　Mr. Kwok, you have previously said in
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1　documents filed with the bankruptcy court that
2　Golden Spring pays for you personal living expenses.
3　Can you please explain how they do that?
4　A
I don't know what you mean by they pay me.
5　In what regard?
6　Q
Mr. Kwok, you have previously told the court
7　in your bankruptcy documents that Golden Spring pays
8　for your clothing, your food and your housing.
9　My question is how do they do that?
Do they
10　give you money?
Do they pay other people directly?
11　How does it work?
12　A
Whenever I need any expenses for my basic
13　living I talk to my son and he will tell his office
14　to give to me.
15　Q
Who are the owners of Golden Spring?
16　MR. HARBACH:
This is David Harbach. I
17　missed the end of that question. I talk to my son
18　and he -- that answer.
I heard I talk to my son and
19　he and then I lost it.
Can I please have the
20　English again?
21　THE INTERPRETER:
Sorry, I didn't hear the
22　gentleman?
23　MS. CLAIBORN:
Mr. Harbach is asking Bin if
24　you could repeat the translation of Mr. Kwok's
25　answer about how the money flows from Golden Spring.

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1　THE INTERPRETER: I'll repeat the
2　interpretation.
3　When I need expenses for my basic living I
4　tell my son.
My son will tell the office to take --
5　Q
Mr. Kwok, who are the owners of Golden
6　Spring?
7　A
My son.
8　Q
Are there any owners of Golden Spring other
9　than your son?
10　A
No.
11　Q
Mr. Kwok, have you ever owned an interest in
12　Golden Spring?
13　A
No.
14　Q
Who are the officers and directors of Golden
15　Spring?
16　MR. BALDIGA:
This is Bill Baldiga.
17　This is something for which there are very
18　serious physical security concerns and it's not that
19　the debtor would refuse to answer, if he knows.
But
20　not on a line like this where it's open to the
21　public and who else knows.
There are -- hold on.
22　Can I just confer with the witness because
23　we'd like to give you as much as possible, but we
24　don't want to cause severe security issues.
25　So could I just have one minute to confer

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1　with the witness?
2　MS. CLAIBORN:
Yes.
3　(Pause.)
4　MR. BALDIGA:
This is Bill Baldiga, again.
5　The witness believes that he may know who
6　the directors and officers are and is prepared to
7　testify as to the best of his knowledge in that
8　regard.
And if we could take it one question at a
9　time we'll go from there.
10　If you could interpret that, because I want
11　to be sure that the witness understands what I just
12　said as well, please.
13　(Interpretation)
14　BY
MS. CLAIBORN:
15　Q
Mr. Kwok, as of today, who are the officers
16　of Golden Spring?
17　A
(Indiscernible)
18　Q
I'm going to repeat that name so everyone
19　understands what I thought I heard.
What I heard
20　was Yan Ping, also known as Yvonne Wang.
Is that
21　accurate?
22　A
Yes.
23　Q
Is Yvonne Wang the only officer of Golden
24　Spring?
25　A
I don't know.

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1　Q
As of today, who are the directors of Golden
2　Spring?
3　A
I don't know.
4　Q
Mr. Kwok, have you ever been an officer or a
5　direct or Golden Spring?
6　A
I don't remember.
7　Q
Mr. Kwok, who is Max Krazner?
8　A
I don't know. I don't know.
9　THE INTERPRETER:
Could you please repeat
10　the name again?
11　Q
Mr. Kwok, who is Max Krazner?
12　(No response)
13　Mr. Kwok, can you please answer?
14　MR. BALDIGA:
I'm conferring with the
15　witness for one second.
Hold on please?
16　MS. CLAIBORN:
Mr. Baldiga, I would rather
17　he would answer the question before you make a
18　confer.
19　(Pause.)
20　MR. BALDIGA:
Thank you for that
21　opportunity.
The witness could answer.
22　A
He has to double check with you because I
23　cannot read and cannot remember English names well.
24　So just the name, you said Max.
If it's the name
25　Max only I know Max.
But if you add another name to

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1　it, I'm not sure. I don't know.
2　Q　Do you know a Max with respect to Golden
3　Spring?
4　A　Yes. I know.
5　Q　And what is Max's role with Golden Spring?
6　A　I don't know.
7　Q　Well, how do you know Max?
8　A　I don't remember.
9　Q　Do you know more than one person by the name
10　of Max?
11　A　For me English name is very complicated.
12　Like I can't remember the last name of my lawyer. If
13　you add something else to Max, I don't know.
14　Q　Mr. Kwok, the name Max Krazner is listed as
15　the person to whom the mail for Golden Spring is
16　directed to.　Do you know why that is?
17　THE INTERPRETER:
Sorry?
18　Q　Do you know why that is?
19　A　I only remember there is a Max at Golden
20　Spring. I only know this one thing.
21　Q　And what is Max's job at Golden Spring?
22　A　I'm not sure what role.
I (indiscernible)
23　know he is in charge of finance, but I'm not sure.
24　Q　What does he do for Golden Spring with
25　respect to finances?

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1　A
I was not involved in the management so I
2　don't know.
3　Q
If Golden Spring gives you money, does it
4　come through Max Krazner's efforts?
Does he help
5　make that happen?
6　A
I don't know.
He didn't give me money in
7　person.
8　Q
Mr. Kwok, when you get money from Golden
9　Spring how do you get money?
Does it come in the
10　form of cash or something else?
11　A
From my son and (indiscernible).
12　MS. CLAIBORN:
I'm sorry, Bin.
I didn't
13　understand your translation.
Can you try that
14　again?
15　THE INTERPRETER:
He said from my son and
16　(indiscernible).
17　Q
My question was how do you get money from
18　your son?
Does it come in the form of cash or some
19　other form?
20　A
I don't understand what you mean by how, the
21　word how.
I never get money directly from them.
22　Q
If you don't get money directly from your
23　son, how do you get the money from your son?
Where
24　does it go?
25　A
I don't use cash and I don't use credit

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1　cards.
My son and (indiscernible)
Wan they just

2　pay my expenses for me.
It's impossible for me to
3　get any cash from them. And also I don't have bank
4　account.
Any bank accounts.
5　Q
Mr. Kwok, do you have access to a credit
6　card that was taken out by Golden Spring?
7　MR. BALDIGA:
This is Bill Baldiga. I'm
8　sorry.
I think there was a translation issue with
9　the prior question.
Could you give us a minute to
10　be sure that the witness understood the question
11　correctly?
Hold on for one second.
We're going to
12　put it on mute.
13　(Pause.)
14　MR. BALDIGA:
The witness would like to
15　clarify. I think it came through, but we're not
16　sure, that Golden Spring does not give him cash, but
17　simply pays certain bills for his living expenses.
18　If that's what came through the translation, great.
19　If not, we clarify accordingly.
20　Q
Mr. Kwok, do you have access to a credit
21　card or a debit card provided to you by or through
22　Golden Spring?
23　A
No.
24　Q
Mr. Kwok, are you obligated to pay Golden
25　Spring back for the monies that it pays on your

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1　behalf for your living expenses?
2　A
No.
No need.
3　MS. CLAIBORN:
At this time I'd like to open
4　the meeting to creditors, given that we have a
5　limited amount of time for today. I am not done with
6　all my questions.
7　We will need to reconvene on another day,
8　but for purposes of today's examination I'm now
9　going to open it up to creditors who may wish to
10　examine.
11　I would ask that you identify yourself when
12　you speak and to be mindful of the need for
13　interpretation.
14　MR. BALDIGA:
Just to clarify one thing for
15　the record.
You asked previously -- you referred to
16　the petition and asked whether anyone lived at 162
17　East 64th Street.
18　And as we told you informally when we filed
19　the petition there was great concern over the
20　debtor's physical security and so he used that
21　address, but has since, obviously, corrected the
22　record that he lives in the Greenwich house that you
23　asked about earlier today.
24　And so I just didn't want the record to be
25　confusing in that regard.
Thank you.
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1　MS. CLAIBORN:
Are there any creditors who

2　wish to inquire or examine of the debtor?
3　MR. HARBACH:
Yes.
This is David Harbach
4　for PACS.
We do have some questions. We do have
5　some questions.
We can start asking the questions
6　now or if there are others who would like to ask
7　questions that's fine.
However you want to proceed.
8　But we obviously will not finish before 2 o'clock
9　either.
10　THE INTERPRETER:
I cannot hear you clearly.
11　MR. HARBACH:
This is David Harbach for PACS
12　and I was just saying that we do have some questions
13　and we are happy to proceed and ask them or if the
14　trustee would like. we can proceed with others
15　asking questions but we will certainly not finish
16　before 2 o'clock either.
17　MR. BALDIGA:
Could that be translated
18　please?
19　THE INTERPRETER:
I was saying I could not
20　get him completely.
21　MS. CLAIBORN:
Mr. Harbach, do you have the
22　ability to pick up a hand held and speak into a hand
23　held device, as opposed to a speaker phone?
24　MR. HARBACH:
Not at this moment, but let me
25　move to see if this is any better.
Can you hear me

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1　a little better now?
2　THE INTERPRETER:
Not really.
No, sorry.
3　MR. HARBACH:
Not really.
Well, I'll tell
4　you what.
If you give me -- take a moment, I can
5　try dialing in with a phone.
Just give me a second,
6　okay?
7　MS. CLAIBORN:
Yes.
8　MR. BALDIGA:
Bin, could you translate the
9　dialogue for Mr. Kwok, please, so he knows that.
10　(Interpreter translates)
11　MR. HARBACH:
Hello?
12　MS. CLAIBORN:
Hello.
This is Holley
13　Claiborn.
14　MR. HARBACH:
This is David Harbach and I
15　just wanted to know if you could hear me better.
16　MS. CLAIBORN:
Much better.
Bin, can you
17　hear Mr. Harbach?
18　THE INTERPRETER:
Yes, I can hear him now.
19　Thank you.
20　MS. CLAIBORN:
Go ahead, Mr. Harbach.
21　MR. HARBACH:
I'll repeat what I said once
22　more so that the interpreter can interpret it.
23　I'm David Harbach and I was just saying that
24　PACS does have some questions we would like to ask,
25　but we certainly will not finish by 2 o'clock and so

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1　if Ms. Claiborn would like to proceed with giving

2　other creditors an opportunity to ask questions
3　today, it's entirely up to her or we can start now.
4　MR. BALDIGA:
And this is Bill Baldiga. We
5　extended our own translator until 2 o'clock so we
6　certainly encourage whoever wants to ask questions
7　to use the time.
8　MR. WOLMAN:
This is Jay Wolman. I'm happy
9　to ask some questions now.
10　THE INTERPRETER:
Sorry, I didn't get your
11　name.
12　MR. WOLMAN: Jay Wolman, and I represent
13　Logan Chang.
14　EXAMINATION BY MR. WOLMAN:
15　Q
Good afternoon, Mr. Kwok.
16　Do you remember that I took your deposition
17　about a year ago?
18　A
I have too many --
19　THE INTERPRETER:
Someone's always talking
20　in the background.
21　A
I have too many depositions.
I don't
22　remember specifically.
23　Q
That's all right. I asked you a number of
24　questions and you invoked your rights under the
25　Fifth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.
Do you

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1　understand that?
2　THE INTERPRETER:
You and your wife what?
3　Sorry.
4　Q
You invoked your right under the Fifth
5　Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.
Do you remember
6　that?
7　MR. BALDIGA:
We have a translation issue.
8　Hold on for one second, please.
9　(Pause.)
10　MR. BALDIGA:
I think -- our interpreter is
11　hearing this translation.
The question as we
12　understand is do you remember having invoked the
13　Fifth Amendment privilege at a prior deposition.
14　That's what we are hearing.
Could that be
15　interpreter for Mr. Kwok in that way please?
16　THE INTERPRETER:
Sorry, I can I hear the
17　question again.
18　MR. WOLMAN:
Sure.
19　Q
Do you remember at a prior deposition
20　invoking the Fifth Amendment of the U.S.
21　Constitution?
22　THE INTERPRETER:
Sorry, I did not hear you
23　clearly.
24　Q
Do you remember at a prior deposition
25　invoking the Fifth Amendment of the U.S.

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1　you to hear the words in English and translate them,
2　ma'am.
3　THE INTERPRETER:
Okay.
Could you please
4　speak slowly?
5　Q
Do you remember at a prior deposition
6　invoking your rights under the Fifth, number five
7　that is -- Fifth Amendment, ordinal number -- of the
8　U.S. Constitution?
9　THE INTERPRETER:
Invoke or evoke?
10　MR. WOLMAN:
Invoke, I-N-V-O-K-E.
11　Okay, we still have an issue.
12　UNIDENTIFIED:
Hold on.
13　UNIDENTIFIED:
Did someone just drop out?
14　MS. CLAIBORN:
Bin, are you there?
This is
15　Holley.
16　MR. WOLMAN:
Bin?
17　MS. CLAIBORN:
Bin, are you there?
18　THE INTERPRETER:
Hello.
19　MS. CLAIBORN:
Bin, this is Holley Claiborn.
20　THE INTERPRETER:
Okay. I'm back.
21　MS. CLAIBORN:
Okay.
22　THE INTERPRETER:
I don't know what
23　happened.
24　MS. CLAIBORN:
Go ahead.
25　MR. BALDIGA:
Is the interpreter -- we're

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1　not sure what's going on.
Is the interpreter with
2　us or not?
3　THE INTERPRETER:
Yes, the interpreter is
4　here now.
5　MR. BALDIGA:
Okay.
Thank you.
6　My client just said something and I don't
7　know what he said and I don't know whether you were
8　on for what he said.
If you were, I'd like to know
9　-- I'd like you to interpret it.
If not, could you
10　let us confer for a second so we could try to figure
11　that out, because there was a lot of confusion.
12　MR. WOLMAN:
Bill, can you just ask your
13　client to repeat what he just said?
14　MR. BALDIGA:
No --
15　THE INTERPRETER:
The interpreter would like
16　him to repeat what he said because just now all of a
17　sudden I'm not (indiscernible)
all the voices
18　sometimes.
19　I'm asking the gentleman to repeat what he
20　said just now.
21　MR. KWOK: Just now in your question you
22　mentioned that -- you asked me whether my wife used
23　something under the law or under the Constitution.
24　I don't remember that.
25　MR. WOLMAN: I said nothing about his wife.

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1　MR. KWOK:
So did you say just now my wife
2　use any kind of law or what?
3　MR. WOLMAN:
No, that was nothing of the
4　sort.
5　MR. BALDIGA:
Could I suggest, Mr. Wolman,
6　maybe you could just go right to whatever you want
7　to ask him instead of what happened a year ago
8　because this is not getting anywhere.
9　MR. WOLMAN:
Well, I'm going to re-ask him
10　every question relative to finances where he invoked
11　the Fifth and I wanted to make sure he had that in
12　his mind as he answers here today.
13　MR. BALDIGA:
Is there a question?
14　MR. WOLMAN:
I want to make sure you're
15　aware of what I'm about to do.
16　At this point, I have no idea, but I am
17　representing to you that is exactly what I'm doing.
18　So I want to make sure your client is appropriately
19　advised.
20　BY MR. WOLMAN:
21　Q
So a year ago -- this is a lengthy one, Bin,
22　so please just write it down, or do what you need to
23　do. Let me finish and then translate.
Do not do
24　that piecemeal.
25　THE INTERPRETER:
Okay.

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1　MR. BALDIGA:
I --
2　MR. WOLMAN:
Hold on. I want the translation
3　of that and we'll take this in small pieces.
So
4　Bin, please translate that for the witness because
5　he has to hear everything.
6　(Translation.)
7　THE INTERPRETER:
Yes.
8　MR. WOLMAN:
Thank you.
9　BY MR. WOLMAN:
10　Q
A year ago I asked you are you employed.
11　You answered I have always been --
12　THE INTERPRETER:
I asked you what? Sorry.
13　Q
Are you employed?
14　There's a lot of background noise.
Can we
15　knock that off, please.
16　A year ago I asked you are you employed?
17　THE INTERPRETER:
You employed?
18　Q
A year ago I asked you are you employed?
19　Your answer was I have always been a consultant for
20　--
21　THE INTERPRETER:
Sorry.
A year ago I asked
22　you are you employed?
The answer is what?
23　Q
I have always been the consultant for a lot
24　of companies --
25　THE INTERPRETER:
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1　Q
And my current employment is the -- I am in

2　the broadcasting and to take down the Chinese
3　Communist Party.
It is a broadcasting revolution. I
4　then asked you how much do you get paid for that.
5　I'm re-asking that question now.
How much
6　do you get paid for that?
7　THE INTERPRETER:
So I have to do it from
8　the beginning because I didn't get the words when
9　you say a year ago I asked you whether -- are you
10　employed?
Your answer is I didn't get the word
11　after is.
12　Q
Your answer was I always been the consultant
13　for a lot of companies and my current employment is
14　the -- he paused.
I am in the broadcasting --
15　THE INTERPRETER:
Is what?
Sorry?
16　Q
-- and to take down --
17　THE INTERPRETER:
Sorry.
18　Q
I am in the broadcasting and to take down
19　the Chinese Communist Party.
It is a broadcasting
20　revolution.
I then asked you how much do you get --
21　THE INTERPRETER:
Excuse me. I'm not able to
22　--
23　MR. WOLMAN:
Excuse me. I'm not done.
Why
24　not?
25　THE INTERPRETER:
I tried to clarify --

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1　MR. WOLMAN:
Why not?
2　THE INTERPRETER:
-- the words that I didn't
3　get.
Yes, I know it's simple but it's too long.
I
4　(indiscernible)
such a long time to do the
5　interpretation. I'm highly concentrating. I have a
6　human brain.
7　MR. WOLMAN:
I'm used to translators writing
8　things down as they go.
9　THE INTERPRETER:
Sorry about that.
10　Let me interpret what I got and then I will
11　ask you the rest.
Is that okay?
12　MR. WOLMAN:
Yes.
13　THE INTERPRETER:
Okay.
14　(Translation)
15　THE INTERPRETER:
Okay.
I --
16　Q
I then asked you how much do you get paid
17　for that and I am asking you now again, because you
18　invoked the Fifth, how much do you get paid for
19　that?
20　(Pause.)
21　MR. BALDIGA:
Okay. The witness is
22　struggling to -- well, is the question are you
23　getting paid for that?
And you can answer that.
24　MR. WOLMAN:
No.
I am literally asking him
25　how much do you get paid for that. He took the

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1　Fifth. I'm asking it now again.
2　Q
How much do you get paid for that?
3　A
No money at all.
4　Q
A year ago I asked you what is Golden Spring
5　New York.
You answered it's a company. I then asked
6　you and what is your -- I then asked you and what is
7　your relationship to that company and so I'm asking
8　that question again.
What is your relationship to
9　that company?
10　A
I don't know what you mean by relationship.
11　Q
If you didn't know what I meant by that
12　question, why did you invoke the Fifth last year?
13　MR. BALDIGA:
Objection.
I'm not going to
14　allow the witness to describe the legal advice a
15　year ago as to the Fifth Amendment.
16　He is prepared to answer whatever questions
17　you may have. You are confusing the witness a bit by
18　in each question having three things, some reference
19　to the Fifth Amendment, some conversation from a
20　year ago and a question as to now.
21　But if you were to ask a more simple
22　question, I think this would go much more
23　productively.
That's your choice.
24　MR. WOLMAN:
No.
Your client is an
25　intelligent person who is a big businessman, who is

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1　a sophisticated person. I trust he can handle these

2　simple questions.
3　MR. BALDIGA:
Proceed as you'd like.
4　(Translation interrupted)
5　Q
Last year I asked you --
6　MR. BALDIGA:
Wait.
Hold on.
Mr. Wolman,
7　there's a translation that needs to be done.
Please
8　hold on.
The witness needs to understand what's
9　being said.
10　(Translation)
11　THE INTERPRETER:
Okay.
Go ahead.
12　Q
What is your relationship to Golden Spring?
13　A
I don't understand what you mean by your
14　question?
I don't know how to answer your question.
15　Q
Do you know what the word relationship
16　means?
17　A
Relationship means love of things in China.
18　It could be between husband and wife. It could be
19　between a government relationship, a financial
20　relationship, money and it could be a lot of things.
21　So I don't know which one you mean?
Is it a
22　man/woman relationship or a money relationship or
23　what?
24　Q
Any relationship?
What is it? What is your
25　(indiscernible)

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1　THE INTERPRETER:
Sorry?
What was your last
2　sentence again, because there was talking.
3　Q
Any relationship, what is yours to Golden
4　Spring?
5　THE INTERPRETER:
Let me do the
6　interpretation first.
7　A
Now the relationship is between -- is he
8　lends me money. I owe money to him.
He helps me.
9　Q
And why does he do this?
10　A
Because I was once a member of the Guo (ph)
11　family.
12　MR. HARBACH:
This is David Harbach.
Could
13　you please repeat that English answer?
14　THE INTERPRETER:
Because I was once a
15　member of Guo family.
16　Q
Does Golden Spring pay the expenses of any
17　other member of the Guo family?
18　A
Yes.
19　Q
Which other members of the Guo family?
20　A
I don't know.
21　Q
A year ago I asked you why does Golden
22　Spring pay Mr. Podhaskie, P-O-D-H-A-S-K-I-E, for
23　services rendered to you in your individual
24　capacity. I'm asking that again now.
Why does
25　Golden Spring pay Mr. Podhaskie for services

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1　rendered to you in your individual capacity?
2　MR. BALDIGA:
This is Bill Baldiga. I
3　understand that Mr. Podhaskie may be a lawyer. I
4　just need to confer with the client to make sure he
5　doesn't disclose the substance of legal advice. I'll
6　take one second to do that.
7　MR. WOLMAN:
The question didn't indicate
8　any answer of that sort.
9　(Pause.)
10　MR. BALDIGA:
I'm sorry. The witness could
11　answer the question.
12　MR. KWOK:
I don't know.
13　Q
Have you ever asked anyone why they pay for
14　him to advise you?
15　A
I don't remember.
16　Q
I asked you last year why did Golden Spring
17　New York pay that judgment on your behalf, and I was
18　referring to the one my client, Mr. Cheng, held
19　against you.
20　I'm asking you again why did Golden Spring
21　New York pay that judgment on your behalf?
22　A
It was money lended.
23　Q
Why did Golden Spring loan you that money?
24　A
I don't have any thing so I borrowed from
25　them.

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1　Q　Where did Golden Spring get the money from?
2　A　I don't know.
3　Q　Where does Golden Spring get any money from?
4　A　I don't know.
5　Q　Your son owns Golden Spring, correct?
6　A　Yes.
7　Q　Does your son owe you any money?
8　A　No.
9　Q　How did your son get the money that funds
10　Golden Spring?
11　A　I don't know.
12　Q　Did you ever provide your son with any seed
13　capital?
14　A　No.
15　Q　Have you ever invested in any of your son's
16　businesses?
17　A　No.
18　Q　When did Connecticut become your residence?
19　A　End of February or early March of 2020.
20　Q　Okay.
And you're sure about that here?
21　A　Yes.
22　Q　And was that your primary residence since
23　February, 2020 or March, 2020?
24　A　Yes.
25　Q　A year ago I asked you if you owned any

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1　interest in Golden Spring New York. I am asking you
2　that again.
Do you own any interest in Golden
3　Spring New York?
4　A
No.
5　Q
A year ago I asked you are you an officer of
6　Golden Spring New York Limited. I'm asking you
7　again.
Are you an officer of Golden Spring New York
8　Limited?
9　A
No.
10　Q
A year ago I asked you why would Golden
11　Spring pay Attorney Aaron, meaning Aaron Mitchell,
12　on your behalf.
13　I'm asking you again, why would Golden
14　Spring pay Attorney Aaron Mitchell on your behalf?
15　THE INTERPRETER:
He wants me to repeat the
16　interpretation.
I'll do that for him.
17　A
A loan.
A loan or borrowed money.
18　Q
Why did they make you that loan?
19　A
I have been borrowing from them all the time
20　because I was a member of the family.
21　Q
Did you ever have any of your loans from
22　Golden Spring put in writing?
23　A
Some have, some no.
24　Q
Okay.
Which ones have been put in writing?
25　A
I don't remember.

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1　Q　How many loans have you had from Golden
2　Spring?
3　A　I don't remember.
4　Q　Were any of the loans that were put in
5　writing in English?
6　A　I don't remember.
7　Q　Were any of them in Chinese?
8　A　I don't remember.
9　Q　Did you ever pledge any security interest in
10　exchange for any of these loans?
11　A　(Indiscernible)　but I don't remember
12　(indiscernible).
13　MR. BALDIGA:　Could you please repeat the
14　answer in English?
15　THE INTERPRETER:　He said (indiscernible)
16　yes, but I don't remember.
17　Q　If you don't remember how much -- if you
18　don't remember how many loans you took out, how are
19　you able to identify how much they -- you owe them
20　on your bankruptcy schedules?
21　A　I didn't quite get you.
22　Q　If you don't know how many times you took
23　out loans from Golden Spring, not all of which were
24　in writing, how do you know how much you owe them?
25　A　My lawyer and the lawyer of Golden Spring

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1　they communicate with each other.
Tells me the
2　amount they can define is 21 million.
3　Q
So Golden Spring's lawyers helped prepare
4　your bankruptcy petition?
Is that correct?
5　MR. BALDIGA:
I'm sorry to interrupt.
6　(Indiscernible)
two things.
7　A
No.
8　Q
So how did the information get from Golden
9　Spring to your bankruptcy petition?
10　MR. BALDIGA:
Objection to the question.
11　THE INTERPRETER:
Sorry?
12　MR. BALDIGA:
I object to the question.
13　MR. WOLMAN: I'm just trying to figure out
14　how this information he doesn't know wound up in his
15　bankruptcy petition?
16　MR. BALDIGA:
I think you heard the answer
17　that his lawyer and Golden Spring's lawyer discussed
18　it.
Do you have another question?
19　Q
Yes.
How did you know that number was
20　right?
21　MR. BALDIGA:
Okay.
Let the interpreter go
22　first and then ask another question, please.
23　THE INTERPRETER:
Okay.
Go ahead.
24　Q
How did you know that number was right?
25　THE INTERPRETER:
Sorry?
Number of what?

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1　Q
The number that was put into your bankruptcy
2　petition for what you purportedly owe to Golden
3　Spring, how did you know that was right?
4　A
I believe the professionalism of my lawyers.
5　They will review and check all the figures.
6　MS. CLAIBORN:
This is Holley --
7　Q
Do you know the documents that were
8　reviewed?
9　MS. CLAIBORN:
I apologize for interrupting.
10　MR. BALDIGA:
It's now 2 o'clock.
11　MS. CLAIBORN:
I apologize for interrupting.
12　It's Holley Claiborn.
13　MR. WOLMAN:
Yes, thank you for
14　filibustering to use up the time.
Appreciate it.
15　MR. BALDIGA:
I'm sorry. Who was that
16　addressed to?
That's quite an inappropriate
17　comment.
18　MR. WOLMAN:
You. That was me addressing
19　that to you.
20　MS. CLAIBORN:
I'd like to talk about --
21　MR. BALDIGA:
Okay --
22　MS. CLAIBORN:
-- the next date.
I was
23　going to suggest that we reconvene April 4th at
24　10:00 a.m. in person at the U.S. Trustee's Office in
25　New Haven.

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1　Mr. BALDIGA:
We'll look at schedules. I can
2　start to do that if you give me a second.
3　MS. CLAIBORN:
Bin, could you please
4　translate that?
5　THE INTERPRETER:
I will double check with
6　you whether you still need me on the line for a
7　second or you want me to log off?
8　MS. CLAIBORN:
If you can continue on just
9　for a second.
We need to pick a new date, so I need
10　you to translate that so the debtor understands.
11　THE INTERPRETER:
Okay.
12　MR. BALDIGA:
I'm sorry.
Was the request --
13　I'm sorry.
Was the request -- I'm just trying to
14　make sure I heard it -- April 4 at 10 o'clock in
15　Bridgeport?
16　MS. CLAIBORN:
April 4, 10 o'clock in New
17　Haven at the U.S. Trustee's Office.
18　MR. BALDIGA:
Okay.
We'll be back to you
19　very quick on that.
20　MS. CLAIBORN:
I actually need an answer on
21　that right now because we need to be able to notify
22　creditors and I want everyone to know before we
23　conclude today.
24　MR. BALDIGA:
Okay. I'll put you on hold.
25　MR. HARBACH:
Ms. Claiborn, this is David

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1　Harbach.
I'm afraid that that day will not work for
2　us?
3　MS. CLAIBORN:
Mr. Harbach, is that you?
4　MR. HARBACH:
Yes, ma'am.
And I was just
5　about to say that I can do Wednesday, the 6th, or
6　any day after that.
But I cannot do the 4th or the
7　5th.
8　MS. CLAIBORN:
How about Friday, April 8th?
9　MR. HARBACH:
I can do that.
This is David.
10　I can do that.
11　MR. WOLMAN:
This is Jay Wolman.
I can do
12　that.
13　MS. CLAIBORN:
Attorney Baldiga, can you
14　check on April 8th, please?
15　(Pause.)
16　MR. HARBACH:
Holley, this is Dave Harbach
17　again.
Just anticipating that they're coming back
18　(indiscernible).
I could also do it (indiscernible)
19　for whatever it's worth.
I could also do it on the
20　28th, 29 or 30 of March as well, if that's better.
21　MR. BALDIGA:
This is Bill Baldiga.
The 7th
22　and 8th are Buddhist holidays so for religious
23　reasons Mr. Kwok can't do it those days.
We'll
24　clear the 4th. I'm sure there are some
25　(indiscernible). I'm wondering who could make it.

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1　MS. CLAIBORN:
How about March 28th, next
2　Monday?
3　MR. HARBACH:
Holley, I didn't get the
4　second part of what you said about the 28th.
5　MS. CLAIBORN:
I only offered the 28th as a
6　new date.
7　MR. BALDIGA:
This is Bill Baldiga.
28, 29
8　and 30 Mr. Kwok has a medical issue that he
9　(indiscernible)
during those days.
10　MS. CLAIBORN:
How about Friday, April 15th?
11　MR. HARBACH:
This is David Harbach.
That's
12　good by us.
13　MR. BALDIGA:
It's Good Friday.
Good Friday
14　for me and Passover for many.
15　Can I suggest (indiscernible)?
16　MS. CLAIBORN:
I didn't hear your
17　suggestion. I'm sorry.
18　MR. BALDIGA:
I respectfully ask that we go
19　back to April 4.
One lawyer among a dozen and one
20　creditor should not --
21　MR. WOLMAN:
This is Jay Wolman. I already
22　have something for that day as well.
23　MR. BALDIGA:
I know, but there are
24　(indiscernible)

25　MR. WOLMAN:
Two lawyers, including myself,

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1　who is in the middle of questioning.
2　MR. BALDIGA:
All right. We'll keep looking
3　then.
4　MS. CLAIBORN:
Does April 6th work?
5　MR. WOLMAN:
What was that date?
6　MS. CLAIBORN:
April 6th?
7　MR. HARBACH:
This is David Harbach. I can
8　do April 6th.
9　MR. BALDIGA:
The debtor can as well.
10　UNIDENTIFIED:
As can I.
11　MS. CLAIBORN:
Okay. I'm going to mark April
12　6th 10:00 a.m.
It's in person.
The U.S. Trustee's
13　Office in New Haven.
14　Please allow for time to go through
15　security. I'd like to start at 10:00.
16　MR. BALDIGA:
Could I ask how much time
17　would you reserve on that day, including with the
18　interpreter, just so we can plan?
19　MS. CLAIBORN:
I think you should plan for
20　the whole day but I will have to follow up and get
21　an understanding about an interpreter and I don't
22　have that at my fingertips right now.
23　MR. BALDIGA:
Okay.
Would that be 5
24　o'clock?
25　I guess we can go off the record as we

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1　finish this.
It's up to you, obviously.
2　MS. CLAIBORN:
Okay.
I think we're
3　concluded for purposes of Bin's translation services
4　for today.
5　THE INTERPRETER:
Thank you.
6　MS. CLAIBORN:
Thank you very much, Bin.
7　THE INTERPRETER:
Have a nice day.
8　MS. CLAIBORN:
Thank you.
9　I'm going to stop the recording, but we can
10　stay on the line.
I'm going to stop the recording.
11　Thank you.
12　(Meeting adjourned.)

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1 I, CHRISTINE FIORE, court-approved transcriber and 2 certified electronic reporter and transcriber, 3 certify that the foregoing is a correct transcript 4 from the official electronic sound recording of the 5 proceedings in the above-entitled matter. 6

8 April 5, 2022
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1　INDEX

3　HO WAN KWOK　Page
4　Examination by Ms. Claiborn　14
5　Examination by Mr. Wolman　58