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# Guo Wengui / Miles Guo — bankruptcy case · ORDER · ECF #1196

**Hearing Transcript — In re Ho Wan Kwok (Miles Guo / Guo Wengui), CTB 22-50073 ECF #1196 (filed 2022-12-03). Official transcript of the November 18, 2022 hearing before Judge Julie A. Manning addressing a motion to seal, the Trustee's civil contempt motion, and motions to compel compliance with Bankruptcy Rule 2004 subpoenas.**


UNITED STATES BANKRUPTCY COURT DISTRICT OF CONNECTICUT BRIDGEPORT DIVISION In Re \* Case No. 22-50073 (JAM) \* HO WAN KWOK and GENEVER \* HOLDINGS CORPORATION, \* \* Debtor. \* GENEVER HOLDINGS, LLC, \* Case No. 22-50592 (JAM) \* Debtor. \* Bridgeport, Connecticut \* November 18, 2022 \* \* \* \* \* \* \* \* \* \* \* \* \* \* \* \* TRANSCRIPT OF MOTION TO SEAL; MOTION OF CHAPTER 11 TRUSTEE FOR ENTRY OF ORDER HOLDING DEBTOR IN CIVIL CONTEMPT FOR FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH CORPORATE GOVERNANCE RIGHTS ORDER and MOTION OF CHAPTER 11 TRUSTEE FOR ENTRY OF ORDER COMPELLING INDIVIDUAL DEBTOR, MEI GUI, HK INTERNATIONAL FUNDS INVESTMENTS (USA) LIMITED, LLC, HING CHI NGOK, GREENWICH LAND LLC, LAMP CAPITAL LLC and COLD SPRING (NEW YORK) LTR TO COMPLY WITH RULE 2004 SUBPOENAS BEFORE THE HONORABLE JULIE A. MANNING UNITED STATES BANKRUPTCY JUDGE APPEARANCES: For the Debtor: ERIC A. HENZY, ESQ. JAMES MORIARTY, ESQ. JOHN CESARONI, ESQ. Zeisler & Zeisler, P.C. 10 Middle Street, 15th Floor Bridgeport, CT 06604 For the Chapter 11 Trustee: NICHOLAS A. BASSETT, ESQ. AVI LUFT, ESQ. DOUGLASS BARRON, ESQ. ALEXANDER BONGARTZ, ESQ. Paul Hastings LLP 200 Park Avenue New York, NY 10166 Proceedings recorded by electronic sound recording, transcript produced by transcription service. Fiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc. 4 Research Drive, Suite 402 Shelton, Connecticut 06484 (203)929-9992

APPEARANCES: (Cont'd.) For the Creditor, Pacific ANNECCA SMITH, ESQ. Alliance Asia Opportunity Robinson & Cole Fund L.P.: 28 Trumbull Street Hartford, CT 06103 STUART SARNOFF, ESQ. PETER FRIEDMAN, ESQ. O'Melveny & Myers LLP Times Square Tower 7 Times Square New York, NY 10036 For the U.S. Trustee: HOLLEY L. CLAIBORN, ESQ. Office of the United States Trustee The Giaimo Federal Building 150 Court Street, Room 302 New Haven, CT 06510 For the Creditors Committee: JONATHAN KAPLAN, ESQ. Pullman & Comley 850 Main Street Bridgeport, CT 06601 For Logan Cheng, Creditor: JAY MARSHALL WOLMAN, ESQ. Randazza Legal Group, PLLC 100 Pearl Street Hartford, CT 06103
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Ho Wan Kwok and Genever Holdings Corp - November 18, 2022 3 (Proceedings commenced at 10:41 a.m.) THE COURTROOM DEPUTY: Case no. 22-50592, Genever Holdings, LLC, and case no. 22-50073, Ho Wan Kwok and Genever Holdings Corporation. THE COURT: If we could have appearances for the record starting with the Chapter 11 Trustee, please. MR. BASSETT: Good morning, Your Honor. It's Nick Bassett, from Paul Hastings, on behalf of the Chapter 11 Trustee. Trustee Despins is unavailable for this session this morning. THE COURT: Okay. Good morning. Anyone else for the Chapter 11 Trustee? MR. LINSEY: Good morning, Your Honor. I'm Patrick Linsey, also for the Trustee. MR. LUFT: And, Your Honor, this is Avi Luft, of Paul Hastings, also representing the Chapter 11 Trustee, Luc Despins. THE COURT: Good morning. MR. LUFT: Good morning, Your Honor. THE COURT: Okay. The Office of the United States Trustee? MR. BARRON: Your Honor, excuse me. This is Douglass Barron also representing -- THE COURT: Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't -- MR. BARRON: -- also representing the Chapter 11

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Ho Wan Kwok and Genever Holdings Corp - November 18, 2022 4 Trustee. Sorry. THE COURT: Hold on a second. Hold on a second. We're talking over each other. I didn't see you, Attorney Barron, so go ahead, please. MR. BARRON: I apologize. There's some lag in my mute button. This is Douglass Barron representing the Chapter 11 Trustee also from Paul Hastings. I just wanted to make my appearance. THE COURT: Yes. Thank you. Good morning. The Office of the United States Trustee, please? MS. CLAIBORN: Good morning, Your Honor. Holley Claiborn for the U.S. Trustee. THE COURT: Counsel for the debtor? MR. HENZY: Eric Henzy, of Zeisler & Zeisler, for the debtor. THE COURT: I should say -- MR. MORIARTY: Good morning, Your Honor. James Moriarty, Zeisler & Zeisler, a,lso for the debtor. MR. CESARONI: Good morning, Your Honor. John Cesaroni, also of Zeisler & Zeisler, for the debtor. THE COURT: I should say are we only -- are you only representing the individual debtor, Mr. Kwok? What about the other parties today? MR. HENZY: I believe, Your Honor, that the -- it's only Mr. Kwok that is involved in the contempt motion.

Ho Wan Kwok and Genever Holdings Corp - November 18, 2022 5 If the motion to compel is heard today, then we would also be appearing for Mei Guo and HK International. THE COURT: Okay. MR. HENZY: Thank you. THE COURT: That's fine. Thank you for clarifying that for the record. Counsel for PAX? MR. SARNOFF: Stuart Sarnoff, O'Melveny & Myers, on behalf of Creditor PAX. MR. FRIEDMAN: Good morning, Your Honor. It's Peter Friedman, from O'Melveny & Myers, on behalf of PAX. MS. SMITH: Good morning, Your Honor. Annecca Smith, of Robinson & Cole, also on behalf of PAX. We're Connecticut counsel. THE COURT: Good morning. MR. KAPLAN: Good morning, Your Honor. Jonathan Kaplan, of Pullman & Comley, on behalf of the Creditors Committee. THE COURT: Good morning. And, Attorney Wolman, for Creditor Cheng? MR. WOLMAN: Yes. Good morning. Jay Wolman, of Randazza Legal Group, for creditor Logan Cheng. THE COURT: Good morning. All right. I think everyone has noted their appearance for the record, is that correct?

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Ho Wan Kwok and Genever Holdings Corp - November 18, 2022 6 (No response) THE COURT: Okay. MR. BONGARTZ: Your Honor, this is Alex Bongartz, also of Paul Hastings, for the Chapter 11 Trustee. I apologize for having audio issues earlier on, but I'm also participating via Zoom. Thank you. THE COURT: Okay. Thank you. All right. Today is -- the first matter we're going to address today is the motion to seal and the objection to the motion to the seal, but before we do that there's a few things that I want to discuss with the parties before we proceed today or in any further hearings in this case. Yesterday's evidentiary hearing did not -- was not structured properly and was very confusing and difficult for the court to follow and that's one of the reasons why I've said on many occasions if we're going to have evidentiary hearings we're going to have them in person. As you can see we've already lost 25 minutes this morning because of technical issues and I'm not going to do this anymore. Okay? This case -- we need to address these issues in person. And today we're going to proceed via Zoom because I said we were, but this is -- we have to get over this expectation that everything's going to be via Zoom in Case 22-50073 Doc 1196 Filed 12/03/22 Entered 12/03/22 11:30:16 Page 6 of 115

this case. This is important enough that everyone needs to

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1　be here in person if they wish to be, number one.
2　Number two, when evidence is presented to the
3　court during a hearing, whether it's through witnesses or
4　counsel and argument, the counsel will need to ask the
5　courtroom deputy to display whatever exhibit it is that
6　counsel is asking the parties to look at.
And then, and
7　only then, will control of that document be given to the
8　lawyer if the Court agrees to that occurring.
9　We need to maintain a record.
And the record of
10　yesterday's hearing is a mess and we're not going to have
11　that happen again.
12　With regard to the motion to seal and the
13　objection, I have read both of them and I am going to let
14　you both argue.
15　But before we get to the merits of the motion to
16　seal, I need the trustee's counsel to identify with regard
17　to each of the specific documents that the trustee is
18　asserting that -- exhibits that would be introduced at this
19　hearing, which grounds apply to each specific documents that
20　the trustee is asserting are reason to seal that document.
21　For example, are you asserting that it's protected
22　by the protective order, the privileges order, who asserted
23　what privilege, whether it's a third party, whether it's a
24　debtor, was the debtor, and what level of confidentiality in
25　connection with the terms and conditions of the protective

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1　order, that needs to all be set forth specifically on the
2　record of this case before we proceed on the motion to seal.
3　So, Mr. Bassett, I don't know if you are prepared
4　to do that at this moment.
And if you're not and you need
5　to take a recess, we'll take a recess, but that -- this case
6　has to prepare -- be prepared and structured in a way that
7　makes sense.
8　We are not going to have an unruly hearing.
We're
9　not going to have people come in and out of a hearing.
This
10　is a hearing that is an evidentiary hearing at which the
11　lawyers have to present the evidence properly.
12　So before we proceed on the motion to seal, that
13　is what the trustee's counsel needs to do with regard to
14　every one of the exhibits that the trustee is asserting
15　should be sealed in connection with this hearing.
16　So, Attorney Bassett, do you need some time to put
17　that information together?
18　MR. BASSETT:
Your Honor, Attorney Linsey, for the
19　trustee, is going to be handling the motion to seal.
And I
20　will not speak for him, but I believe he is prepared to do
21　that now.
22　THE COURT:
Attorney Linsey?
23　MR. LINSEY:
Yes, Your Honor.
I can address -- I
24　can address the Court's question.
25　THE COURT:
Well, it's not a question.
It's a

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1　requirement.
You are now faced with an objection to a --
2　not only you have to prove your entitlement to sealing, but
3　you're faced with an objection that none of these documents
4　should be sealed.
5　MR. LINSEY:
Okay.
6　THE COURT:
So you have to establish why they
7　should be.
8　And I asked the questions very specifically
9　yesterday and made a record about ECF No. 1099 and ECF No.
10　1110.
You told me that those are the sealed documents.
11　Trustee's Exhibits 20 through 24, 28 through 30, 34 through
12　38, and ECF No. 1099 and Exhibit 27 and ECF No. 1110.
So
13　you need to do that before we proceed with this motion to
14　seal.
15　MR. LINSEY:
You're right, Your Honor.
Let me
16　respond to that, please.
17　With respect to all but one of those exhibits, the
18　Exhibit 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 28, 29, 30, 34, 35, 36, 37 and
19　38, these are email correspondence or memoranda by the
20　debtor's or among the debtor's former counsel that are
21　subject to attorney-client privilege.
In some of these,
22　there is attorney work product that I --
23　THE COURT:
I'm going to stop you right there.
24　That's not responsive to my question.
25　You're going to take each exhibit one at a time

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1　and you're going to tell me under what grounds the trustee
2　is asserting that that document should be sealed.
3　MR. LINSEY:
Okay.
4　THE COURT:
So let's start with Exhibit 20.
5　MR. LINSEY:
Exhibit 20 is to be sealed as
6　confidential attorney-client privilege.
7　THE COURT:
And who's asserting that attorney
8　client privilege?
9　MR. LINSEY:
The estate, the trustee is asserting
10　that attorney-client privilege.
He has assumed control of
11　the attorney-client privilege from the debtor pursuant to
12　the privileges order.
13　THE COURT:
Okay.
Hold on.
And that's the only
14　protection under the privileges order?
You're not seeking
15　-- you're not deeming it confidential or highly confidential
16　or any of the other terms that are in the protective order,
17　Exhibit 20?
18　MR. LINSEY:
Your Honor, I don't want to waive
19　that.
I will say that it's --
20　THE COURT:
Well, you may not want to waive it,
21　but you have to specify that you're asserting it.
So you
22　need to --
23　MR. LINSEY:
Okay.
24　THE COURT:
Because there's all different kinds of
25　provisions in this protective order about highly -- regular

Ho Wan Kwok and Genever Holdings Corp - November 18, 2022 11 level of confidentiality, highly confidential, and then there's some other level I believe too. So you all created these documents. You all agreed to these documents. You need to use the provisions of these orders properly to establish a record as to whether or not I should grant your motion to seal. Okay? MR. LINSEY: Yes. THE COURT: So you need to -- MR. LINSEY: So let me -- let me try to respond to that more articulately, Your Honor. The reason I don't want to designate these under the protective order is because the protective order provides for certain designated material to be shared with certain other parties that we can't share privileged materials with. So while we're not waiving the right to designate if it were subsequently found to be not privileged, we think it's clearly privileged, but if it -- we're not waiving the right if there were a finding of non-privilege in the future. Right now the only protection being asserted with respect to 20 is attorney-client privilege confidentiality attendant to the privileges order and the attorney-client privilege that is in effect that existed as of the petition date, and control of which was assumed by the trustee Case 22-50073 Doc 1196 Filed 12/03/22 Entered 12/03/22 11:30:16 Page 11 of

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1　pursuant to the trustee's appointment, and as sort of
2　effectuated by the consent privileges order that Your Honor
3　entered.
4　THE COURT:
So Exhibit 20 is you are moving that
5　that exhibit be sealed and that it should be sealed on the
6　basis of the trustee is asserting an attorney-client
7　privilege with regard to all the information in that
8　exhibit.
Is that correct?
9　MR. LINSEY:
Correct, Your Honor.
10　THE COURT:
Okay.
11　MR. LINSEY:
Yes, Your Honor.
12　THE COURT:
Then let's move on to Exhibit 21.
13　MR. LINSEY:
The same -- the same answer goes to
14　Exhibit 21, Your Honor.
15　THE COURT:
So you're asking that Exhibit 21 be
16　sealed due to the attorney-client privilege, which is
17　asserted by the trustee in connection with the privileges
18　order?
19　MR. LINSEY:
Correct, Your Honor.
20　THE COURT:
Okay.
Exhibit 22.
21　MR. LINSEY:
The same answer as to Exhibit 22.
22　It's attorney-client privilege with respect to the
23　privileges order.
24　THE COURT:
Exhibit 23.
25　MR. LINSEY:
The same answer as to Exhibit 23,

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1　attorney-client privilege with respect to the privileges
2　order.
3　THE COURT:
Exhibit 24.
4　MR. LINSEY:
The same answer with respect to
5　Exhibit 24, attorney-client privilege with respect to the
6　privileges order.
7　THE COURT:
Okay.
Then moving on to Exhibit 28.
8　MR. LINSEY:
Did we last skip 27, Your Honor?
9　THE COURT:
Exhibit 28.
Yeah.
We're skipping 27
10　because that's ECF No. 1110.
11　MR. LINSEY:
Understood, Your Honor.
12　THE COURT:
We're dealing with ECF No. 1099 right
13　now.
14　MR. LINSEY:
That's fine.
And I'll explain why
15　they're separately docketed later.
16　Exhibit 28 is the same answer, attorney-client
17　privilege with respect to the Court's privileges order.
18　THE COURT:
Okay.
Then Exhibit 29.
19　MR. LINSEY:
Attorney-client privilege with
20　respect to the Court's privilege order.
21　THE COURT:
You say the Court's privilege order,
22　but it's the consent order on the privileges that's been
23　approved by the Court.
24　MR. LINSEY:
Party's consent with the Court's
25　order.

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Ho Wan Kwok and Genever Holdings Corp - November 18, 2022 14 THE COURT: Right. MR. LINSEY: But whatever the -- whatever the proper characterization is, I'll defer to Your Honor. THE COURT: I just want the record to be clear that it's a consent order. MR. LINSEY: I appreciate that, Your Honor. THE COURT: All right. Exhibit 30. MR. LINSEY: Attorney-client privilege with respect to the consent privilege order. THE COURT: Exhibit 34. MR. LINSEY: Attorney-client privilege with respect to the consent privilege order. THE COURT: Exhibit 35. MR. LINSEY: Attorney-client privilege with respect to the consent privilege order. THE COURT: 36. MR. LINSEY: Attorney-client privilege with respect to the consent privilege order. THE COURT: 37. MR. LINSEY: Attorney-client privilege with respect to the consent privilege order. THE COURT: 38. MR. LINSEY: Attorney-client privilege with respect to the consent privilege order. This one in particular has -- is also work product, which is just a Case 22-50073 Doc 1196 Filed 12/03/22 Entered 12/03/22 11:30:16 Page 14 of

Ho Wan Kwok and Genever Holdings Corp - November 18, 2022 15 general, common law protection. And, Your Honor, in my -- in my argument, I'll address how all of this relates to 107. THE COURT: No. No. Stop. Stop. MR. LINSEY: Yes, Your Honor. THE COURT: Not yet. I'm not ready. We're not going go -- we're not going to have a free-for-all hearing. This is -- we're not -- we're not doing that. So now, Attorney Linsey, you have addressed every exhibit that's been filed under seal and ECF No. 1099, correct? MR. LINSEY: Correct, Your Honor. THE COURT: Okay. So then let's turn to ECF 1110, which is apparently only Exhibit 27. MR. LINSEY: That is the deposition transcript of the debtor from the debtor's deposition taken last week. Debtor's counsel marked that transcript highly confidential. The trustee is obligated to file anything highly confidential under seal and so that was filed under seal in compliance with the trustee's obligations under the protective order. THE COURT: And even if a party is a -- has agreed to be bound by the confidential, excuse me, the protective order by signing an agreement, the highly confidential

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1　information is not shared or is it shared with that person?
2　MR. LINSEY:
Parties that have -- so under the
3　protective order, the attorney -- for anything designated
4　highly confidential, and that's what we're talking about
5　here, attorneys for the committee and the U.S. Trustee are
6　permitted to view highly confidential documents.
7　Attorneys for parties that have signed the
8　attachment to the protective order may also view highly
9　confidential documents.
However, that is subject to the
10　consent of the designating party, which consent will not
11　unreasonably withheld.
12　My understanding is that PAX has signed the
13　attachment to the protective order and I have posed to Mr.
14　Henzy whether the debtor consents to disclosure of that
15　exhibit to PAX as highly confidential.
And that my
16　understanding, and Mr. Henzy can correct me if I'm wrong, is
17　that the debtor does not object.
It's somewhat a fait
18　accompli.
PAX's counsel was attending the deposition.
19　So, you know, so for that reason, attorneys for
20　the U.S. Trustee, for the committee, and for PAX, as well as
21　the debtor, and obviously the Chapter 11 Trustee and the

Court may view Exhibit 27.

THE COURT: Okay.

 MR. MORIARTY: Your Honor, this is James Moriarty for the debtor. Is it okay with the Court if I just add a

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1　little bit of color to the deposition transcript?
2　THE COURT:
For what purpose?
3　MR. MORIARTY:
Well, maybe I can make that piece
4　of the motion potentially resolve itself.
5　THE COURT:
Okay.
Let me hear what you have to
6　say then.
7　MR. MORIARTY:
The debtor was deposed last Friday
8　for a hearing that was supposed to begin on Tuesday.
Under
9　the protective order, a deposition that is taken within less
10　than five business days of a hearing is automatically deemed
11　confidential.
12　And then the party designating it, in this case,
13　the debtor, has ten days to review the transcript and
14　effectively make whatever more narrow designations to the
15　extent designation should be more narrow that party deems
16　appropriate.
17　So our ten days, the debtor's ten days, expires
18　this coming Monday.
The debtor's intention is to file on
19　the docket a redacted version of Exhibit 27 to the extent
20　where redactions are appropriate.
21　For purposes of today's hearing, to the extent
22　that Attorney Henzy or Attorney Bassett intend to use the
23　transcript, we are not going to object.
We're not going to
24　ask that the courtroom be closed.
And any portions that are
25　discussed or shown during today's hearing will be unredacted
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in the filing that is made on Monday.

 THE COURT: Okay. So what you're saying is that the document, as it exists right now in ECF No. 1110, which is sealed, you will -- the debtor has no opposition to that being shown during the hearing today by either Attorney Bassett or Attorney Henzy, and that you will be filing a redacted version of the document on the docket on Monday, which will include an unredacted -- which will include whatever is shown in court today, if anything, unredacted. Is that correct?

MR. MORIARTY: That is correct, Your Honor.

 THE COURT: Okay. So then with regard to ECF No. 1110, if there is a sealing of that document, if the motion to seal is granted, it's only going to be partially sealed, and it may end up being only temporarily sealed, and there will be a redacted version that someone could look at and determine whether they want to see the remainder of it. Is that what you're saying?

MR. MORIARTY: Yes, Your Honor.

 THE COURT: Or if someone wanted to see the ECF 1110 -- 1110 and they're not already a party to the protective order, they could become a party to the protective order, and see that transcript, correct? MR. MORIARTY: In accordance with the terms of the protective order and with whatever rights the designating

Ho Wan Kwok and Genever Holdings Corp - November 18, 2022 19 party has, that is correct. THE COURT: Okay. Thank you very much. MR. WOLMAN: Your Honor, may I be heard on this brief exhibit? THE COURT: We're not ready to talk about the motion to seal yet, Attorney Wolman, so, no. We're going to turn to the motion to seal in a minute. All right. So that is the status of the exhibits, Attorney Linsey? MR. LINSEY: Yes, Your Honor. THE COURT: Okay. All right. Now, please proceed with your motion to seal. MR. LINSEY: Thank you, Your Honor. I have to confess I was a little surprised someone found the motion to seal controversial, but in light of the objection that's been filed, I have a number of case citations that I can provide the Court reflecting that the code provides for sealing privileged, and specifically attorney-client privileged materials. First though I'd like to briefly outline what's at issue here and why the trustee -- the relief sought by the trustee is both important and narrowly tailored. This is a case where the trustee was appointed and was charged with some control of the debtor's attorney- client privilege on the material respects. Case 22-50073 Doc 1196 Filed 12/03/22 Entered 12/03/22 11:30:16 Page 19 of
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1　Your Honor found that and entered it as a consent
2　order as we discussed.
No one appealed the consent order.
3　This case has been fraught with constant conflict
4　between the trustee, for him to fulfill his obligations and
5　obtain control of the estate assets, and the debtor doing
6　what we've seen the debtor do in response.
7　The motion to seal is attendant to proceedings on
8　the trustee's motion for contempt, which is premised
9　ultimately to permit the trustee to assert the estate's
10　rightful control over assets Ace Decade and Dawn State which
11　are among the parties to a \$500 million claim against UBS
12　pending in the United Kingdom.
That claim is an asset of
13　the estate.
14　As it relates to the motion for contempt, there
15　are certain privileged email communications and attorney
16　memorandum involving the debtor's former law firms that are
17　relevant to the factual issues in dispute, namely the
18　relationship between the debtor and Ms. Wang.
19　Attorney-client privilege, as it pertains to the
20　UBS litigation in the U.K., is of paramount importance.
21　We're talking about a potentially valuable asset of the
22　estate and the trustee has a duty to maximize its value for
23　the benefit of creditors.
24　Prejudicing attorney-client privilege on subject
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detrimental to the estate.
Further the work product the debtor's former
counsel equates to confidential research that has value to
the debtor's estate, which value would be obliterated by its
unnecessary disclosure.
There is ongoing litigation concerning the UBS
subject matter, a threat to the confidentiality of attorney
client privilege and work product, therefore, threatens the
value of the estate's claims.
I just want to emphasize that because under
Section 107 all that needs to be shown is the potential of
harm to an entity.
What we have here is the potential for harm to the
entire estate and to numerous entities and the individuals
that are parties in interest in this case.
So that was the starting point for the trustee in
dealing with these certain privileged documents.
And so what was the trustee going to do?
Well, the trustee could have sought to close the
proceedings on the motion for contempt in their entirety and
to seal the parties' exhibits and pleadings, but the trustee
recognizes that there's a public interest in disclosure and
so the trustee instead took a thoughtful, surgical approach.

To the maximum extent possible, the trustee has

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1　confidentiality that was of paramount importance for all but
2　one exhibit and that is because of the attorney-client
3　privilege and the work product issues I've discussed.
All
4　of the other exhibits are on the docket.
5　The trustee has redacted only that information in
6　his reply memorandum that comes from sealed exhibits or
7　privileged or confidential material.
8　The trustee has also conducted the hearing and was
9　ready to continue conducting the hearing on the motion for
10　contempt in public for the most part only seeking such
11　limited sessions are as necessary to discuss protected
12　material in the absence of all parties.
13　The trustee also filed his reply on the public
14　docket with targeted redactions of protected material and
15　filed a motion to make sure that this issue was before the
16　Court, understood and the Court's findings were narrow,
17　targeted, justified and crystal clear.
18　Section 107 of the code protects an entity with
19　respect to trade secrets or confidential research,
20　developments or commercial information.
21　Numerous cases have found that attorney-client
22　privilege or work product falls into 107.
I'll read from In
23　re: 50-Off Stores, Inc.,
that's 213 B.R. 646, a bankruptcy
24　case from the --
25　THE COURT:
Could you state the name of the case.

Ho Wan Kwok and Genever Holdings Corp - November 18, 2022 23 I'm sorry. MR. LINSEY: Yes, Your Honor. THE COURT: Could you state the name of the case and the cite again, Attorney Linsey? MR. LINSEY: Yes, Your Honor. In re 50-Off Stores, Inc., 213 B.R. 646, the pin cite is 655. It's a bankruptcy court case from the Western District of Texas in 1997. And this is quoting from that case. "Section 107(b) by its express terms affords a bankruptcy judge some authority to prevent just such an obvious injustice by permitting the Court to protect an entity with respect to confidential research or commercial information. Certainly a lawyer's work product is one type of confidential research that falls within the plain language of the statute's protection. And certainly the client's disclosures made in confidence to its attorneys is one kind of confidential commercial information." I would also cite the case of In re: Pasquinelli Home Building, LLC. Pasquinelli is spelled P-A-S-Q-U-I-N-E- L-L-I. The Lexis cite is 213 Bankruptcy Lexis 605. The Westlaw cite is 213 W.L. 594459. That's a bankruptcy court decision from the Northern District of Illinois in 2013. In that decision, the Court, under 107, sealed documents with respect to a retention application where the Case 22-50073 Doc 1196 Filed 12/03/22 Entered 12/03/22 11:30:16 Page 23 of

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Ho Wan Kwok and Genever Holdings Corp - November 18, 2022 24 documents in the retention application disclosed confidential litigation strategy and subject matter with respect to attorney-client privilege. And what the bankruptcy court found is the reason that a retention application exists is to maximize its value of this asset of the estate and revealing attorney-client privilege would threaten that asset's value. So in that sense, it's particularly on point here. Another case I can cite is Marigrove, Inc. v. De Arruda, D-E A-R-R-U-D-A, Pinto, P-I-N-T-O, 215 U.S. District Lexis 66312. And that is a case where the bankruptcy court determined that sealed motions, including work product, regarding the progress of an investigation was justified because unsealing a motion could compromise efforts of the trustee to recover hundreds of millions of dollars in losses. And the district court affirmed the bankruptcy court in that case. I'll also draw the Court's attention, and I think it's relevant by analogy -- it's not relevant with respect to 107, but Team Obsolete, Ltd. vs. A.H.R.M.A., 464 F. Supp. 2d 164, that's an Eastern District of New York District Court case. What that decision notes is that routinely, with respect to motions to withdraw counsel, courts admit
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1　attorney-client privilege evidence but seal it to protect
2　the important interests in attorney-client privilege.
3　And that collects cases throughout the Second
4　Circuit in that regard.
So certainly, you know, there's all
5　sorts of relief justifying the sealing in this case.
6　But also common sense, and just that old maxim
7　that where's there's a right there's a remedy, the trustee
8　has the right to use -- to retain these attorney-client
9　privilege documents because the trustee has assumed the
10　privilege.
11　It simply cannot be the case that the trustee
12　cannot use those documents to correct a disagreement that
13　the trustee has with the debtor without voiding the
14　privilege and prejudicing the value of claims that are named
15　at hundreds of millions of dollars.
16　Now, I understand concerns that have been
17　discussed generally, concerns about rights of access to
18　publicly filed documents, concerns about rights that might
19　exist under the First Amendment and the public's right to
20　know, I get that.
I was a newspaper reporter before I went
21　to law school and I believe in that.
22　But, Your Honor, here, where there's been such a
23　specific (indiscernible) showing as to why there needs to be
24　confidentiality and also protection and procedures to make
25　sure that it's as targeted as possible, I would say that at

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1　some point it's incumbent on anyone who has an issue with
2　that to explain exactly why they need to see these things.
3　I mean, we're talking about limited communication
4　being offered for a limited purpose, which is a discrete
5　factual dispute, a factual dispute that only exists between
6　the trustee and the debtor.
And the trustee's success in
7　that dispute will benefit all creditors in the estate.
8　So because there's been a showing of great
9　importance for sealing the documents, because the procedures
10　proposed by the trustee are narrow, and because they're
11　supported by the Bankruptcy Code and the case law
12　interpreting the code, we would ask that the Court grant the
13　motion.
Thank you, Your Honor.
14　THE COURT:
Okay.
Thank you.
15　Attorney Wolman?
16　MR. WOLMAN:
Your Honor, if I may?
17　There is no reason -- we do not have to explain
18　why.
The reason is because Mr. Cheng and the public have a
19　right, that is why.
That is the only right that is ever --
20　that is the only reason that is ever needed.
No on has to
21　explain why they want the vote.
No one ever has to explain
22　why they want to bear arms.
No one ever has to explain why
23　they want to invoke a lawyer to defend themselves at trial.
24　They just can.
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1　there's a right there's a remedy.
The only right we're
2　talking about here is the First Amendment right.
Attorney
3　client privilege is a privilege.
A privilege is not a right
4　by definition.
5　So we have a number of exhibits here, 20, 21, 22,
6　23, et cetera, et cetera, from 1099, that I haven't seen.
7　No idea what they are.
8　We do not have a specification of what the -- the
9　functional equivalent of a privilege log, of what each one
10　is, who the communication is, and why that particular
11　document, if it were revealed, would cause harm.
And
12　they're listing them both under Section 107 and under the
13　First Amendment right.
14　They haven't identified what exactly is going to
15　happen if this comes to light, you know.
16　In the case of somebody withdrawing from
17　representing somebody, you know, there's a direct attorney
18　client communication that likely goes to some unethical
19　issue typically, if that's why the Court needs to address it
20　and permit a withdrawal, that could then harm that client if
21　it were coming out.
22　Here, the possibility that it somehow affects this
23　UBS litigation, they say it, they say they're being surgical
24　with their approach, I have no idea.
There's no way for me
25　to assert that.

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1　And the Court needs to use its own judgment and
2　say, okay, how does this document and the entirety of the
3　document -- maybe a small portion of the document, what
4　exactly are we talking about -- because the moving party,
5　whose burden it is, and it's always the burden of the party
6　seeking to seal to justify why it needs to be sealed, they
7　haven't set forth.
8　Now, with respect to Exhibit 27, which I believe
9　is on -- I've heard -- actually I believe it's ECF 1100, not
10　1110.
11　THE COURT:
You're right.
I misspoke.
12　MR. WOLMAN:
Yesterday we were talking 1100.
13　THE COURT:
You're correct.
I misspoke with the
14　number.
15　MR. WOLMAN:
But this morning the Court mentioned
16　1110, but I think that's an entirely different document and
17　it's an order.
18　THE COURT:
No.
Let me stop you.
You're correct.
19　I misspoke.
The ECF number is 1100.
So I misspoke.
20　MR. WOLMAN:
Thank you, Your Honor.
21　THE COURT:
Okay.
And we'll make that correction
22　in the record throughout the record.
I made that -- I made
23　a mistake because this case has over 1100 documents in it.
24　Okay?
25　So you're correct.

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1　MR. WOLMAN:
Of course you --
2　THE COURT:
That is correct.
And I was going to
3　correct that when you were done.
But since you've raised it
4　now, the ECF number is 1100 immediately following 1099.
5　MR. WOLMAN:
Thank you, Your Honor.
6　With respect to that document, you know, I do
7　understand that Mr. Linsey had to do a pro forma request to
8　seal under the order.
And then typically when that happens,
9　then it's the party who claims the confidentiality who has
10　to assert what the confidentiality basis is.
11　And I appreciate Mr. Moriarty indicating that we
12　can be open to whatever is being used.
13　My concern, of course, is whether or not the Court
14　would still rely upon portions that would be redacted as
15　part of making its determination because those portions
16　would still consist of judicial documents.
17　With respect to the one exhibit that contains
18　attorney work product, I believe that is Exhibit 38, you
19　know, there's potentially an argument and I can recognize
20　that that being what constitutes confidential research.
21　But counsel hasn't pointed to any binding case law
22　that shows that attorney-client privilege is itself the
23　commercial information.
It's not confidential research.
24　It's a communication.
There's nobody researching anything
25　there.
And it's not commercial which 107(b) requires.
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1　And they haven't said exactly what the harm is
2　under the First Amendment that justifies it being withheld
3　from the public.
The public has a right to know.
4　Mr. Linsey, as a journalist, had the right to
5　know.
He doesn't -- and while he's now advocating for the
6　trustee, everybody else now has the right to know.
My next
7　door neighbor has the right to know because he has the First
8　Amendment right, and that --
9　While Mr. Cheng may be the one arguing for this
10　right now, it's not merely for himself, but on behalf of the
11　public to vindicate the public's right.
The public has a
12　right of access under Section 107.
The public has a right
13　of access under the First Amendment which trumps Section
14　107.
15　And since we haven't specified other than a
16　generic invocation for all of these exhibits, except for 27,
17　as to it just being the trustee claiming privilege because
18　it might harm the estate in the UBS case, that is not
19　sufficient a reason, Your Honor.
20　MR. LINSEY:
Your Honor, I want to be crystal
21　clear on this.
The trustee's primary concern is that if the
22　trustee begins posting, publicly disclosing attorney-client
23　communications with respect to subject matter under
24　litigation, the trustee is concerned that UBS could say
25　you've waived the privilege.

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1　And we are entitled to obtain -- what otherwise
2　would be attorney-client communications that are relevant to
3　the estate's claims, \$500 million claims.
That is plainly
4　prejudicial to the estate's ability to litigate those
5　claims.
6　And the 50-Off case that I cited actually
7　discusses that very construct.
And it notes the threat of
8　disclosure without taking steps to seal documents or
9　otherwise to prevent public disclosure, the threat that
10　unnecessary public disclosure has to attorney-client
11　privilege.
12　I could read all of the exhibits into the record,
13　but that would cause the very harm that the trustee is
14　seeking to prevent.
So that is the reason, among many
15　others, the Court should grant this motion.
16　MR. WOLMAN:
Your Honor, there's nothing here, no
17　U.K. law, that says --that's been submitted and offered to
18　the Court to suggest that submitting one document that's
19　privileged then opens the door to all privileged documents
20　and waives it in perpetuity.
21　MR. LINSEY:
Well, this is like 20.
But, I mean,
22　at a certain point, the rule of reason has got to kick in.
23　We've more than met the standard.
This should not be
24　controversial.
We need to get on with the hearing.
I'm
25　happy to answer any questions that the Court has.

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Ho Wan Kwok and Genever Holdings Corp - November 18, 2022 32 THE COURT: I have no questions. Anyone else wish to be heard? MR. MORIARTY: Your Honor, James Moriarty on behalf of the debtor. The privilege consent order, docket 856, specifically provides at paragraph 8 that the trustee does not have the right to waive any trustee privilege. And it says in parentheticals, "For example, (By disclosing privileged documents or information in open court or on any public docket or by sharing such documents or information with a third party)." THE COURT: Tell me again what you're referring to, Attorney Moriarty. MR. MORIARTY: It is the consent order regarding control of attorney-client privilege -- THE COURT: Okay. MR. MORIARTY: -- and work product protection -- THE COURT: ECF 856? MR. MORIARTY: 856, yes. And this is at paragraph 8. THE COURT: And what paragraph? Paragraph 8? MR. MORIARTY: Yes. So if I may, Your Honor, under that paragraph, the trustee's entitled to use documents that are the debtor's privileged documents which the trustee now owns, but the

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1　trustee is not entitled to waive it.
And if those documents
2　are posted on the public docket, anybody who sees them is
3　going to argue there's a waiver and the trustee would be in
4　violation of this order.
5　So the debtor's going to object to those documents
6　being used if they're not sealed.
7　THE COURT:
The paragraph also says that any
8　request to waive a trustee privilege has to be made by
9　motion, and no one's done that.
10　MR. LINSEY:
Certainly the trustee is not doing
11　that.
And the trustee agrees the privileges order requires
12　that these items be filed under seal, which is why they were
13　filed under seal in the first place along with the motion.
14　THE COURT:
Okay.
Anyone else wish to be heard?
15　MR. WOLMAN:
And, Your Honor, I would like to
16　reiterate that the order itself yields to Section 107 and
17　the First Amendment.
18　THE COURT:
What order?
What order, Attorney
19　Wolman?
20　MR. WOLMAN:
The one we were just discussing --
21　THE COURT:
The privileges order?
22　MR. WOLMAN:
-- the one at 856, paragraph 8.
23　THE COURT:
The privileges order?
24　MR. WOLMAN:
Yes, Your Honor.
25　THE COURT:
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Is that

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1　delay.
I'm ready.
2　THE COURT:
Okay.
And it's recording?
3　THE COURTROOM DEPUTY:
Yes, it is recording.
4　THE COURT:
Okay.
All right.
We're back on the
5　record after a recess.
6　Prior to the recess, the Court heard argument on
7　the Chapter 11 Trustee's motion to seal and the objection to
8　the motion to seal filed on behalf of the creditor, Logan
9　Cheng.
The parties cited to different case law and
10　authority that was not previously brought to the Court's
11　attention.
12　The Court reviewed that information during the
13　recess and is ready to rule.
14　Therefore, the Court will -- I will announce the
15　ruling on the record, and that will be followed up with a
16　written order to be entered on the docket, hopefully, maybe
17　later today, hopefully today.
18　In any event, this is the Court's ruling on the
19　motion to seal.
20　A hearing on the Chapter 11 Trustee's motion to
21　seal in support of holding the debtor in civil contempt for
22　failure to comply with corporate governance rights order and
23　related documents, and to enlarge page limit for a reply,
24　which is ECF No. 1095, and the objection to the motion to
25　seal, 1115, ECF No. 1115, was held earlier today on November
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1　18, 2022.
2　The documents identified by the trustee's counsel
3　during the hearing as exhibits that the trustee may
4　introduce at the hearing, but wishes to be sealed, the
5　trustee asserts are protected by a trustee privilege.
And
6　those privileged documents are included in ECF No. 1099, and
7　that includes Trustee Exhibits 20 through 24, 38 through 30,
8　and 34 through 38.
9　The privilege being asserted pursuant to a consent
10　order regarding control of attorney-client privilege and
11　work product protection related to the Rule 2004 subpoena
12　documents, and that I will refer to as the privileges
13　consent order, ECF No. 856, those documents are ordered
14　sealed based upon the assertion of the attorney-client
15　privilege applicable to those documents and also because the
16　Court finds that under 11 U.S.C. 107(b)(1), and District
17　Court of Connecticut Local Rule, Local Civil Rule 5(e), that
18　the potential harm to the estate from the waiver of the
19　attorney-client privilege relating to a substantial
20　litigation asset of the estate outweighs the public's
21　interest in disclosure, and further that the disclosure at
22　this time will negatively impact the trustee's ability to
23　conduct and carry out an investigation of the debtor's asset
24　-- assets, excuse me.
25　The trustee also identified one of the privileged
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1　documents as an attorney work product privileged document.
2　The work product exhibit in ECF 1099 was identified by the
3　trustee's counsel as Trustee's Exhibit 38, which document
4　shall be also sealed as protected attorney work product
5　information.

 In addition, one exhibit, the individual debtor's deposition, which is the entirety of ECF No. 1100, has been designated by the individual debtor as highly confidential information under the protective order that was entered in this case, ECF No. 923, and the harm of the disclosure of the individual debtor's deposition at this time outweighs the interest of the public, and having access to that document because it will negatively impact the trustee's ability to conduct and carry out the investigation of the debtor's assets as required by the Bankruptcy Code.

 Accordingly, it's hereby ordered that the motion to seal is granted for the reasons stated on the record, and that the privileged documents, the work product exhibit, and the debtor's deposition are temporarily sealed in connection with the hearing on the motion for contempt and will remain sealed until further order of the Court.

That is the ruling of the Court.

 So that we now can proceed with the continued evidentiary hearing on the motion for contempt.

Before we proceed with the -- continue to proceed
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Ho Wan Kwok and Genever Holdings Corp - November 18, 2022 38 with the hearing on the motion for contempt, I want to make sure that everyone understands how we will be proceeding with the hearing on the motion for contempt.

 We are not going to have a hearing like we had yesterday where people come in and out of the hearing. If the trustee, who will continue the hearing from where he left, trustee's counsel, from where he left yesterday, has points to make to support the motion for contempt, he will do so first with all evidence and documents that are not sealed.

 Then the debtor's counsel will have an opportunity to review and respond to -- I don't mean review meaning looking at documents, I should just say respond to and challenge and object to the trustee's presentation on evidence that is not under seal.

 And then if there is a need to introduce documents that are now under seal, then we'll have to remove the appropriate people from the courtroom and proceed that way, and that portion of the hearing will be under seal. And that is how we are going to proceed.

 Does anyone have any questions? MR. BASSETT: Your Honor, it's Nick Bassett from Paul Hastings on behalf of the trustee. Just a point of clarification. I think I understand Your Honor, but I just want to make sure.
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1　As I had indicated yesterday, I do think I could
2　cover my entire argument by just referring to some of the
3　under seal exhibits very -- at a very high level.
I take it
4　that is not how Your Honor would like to proceed.
And that
5　if I want to refer to those documents, even in a general
6　way, that I should do that as part of a separate sealed
7　session at the end.
Is that correct, Your Honor?
8　THE COURT:
Well, it's not how I want to proceed.
9　It's that yesterday Mr. Henzy said that he could not proceed
10　in the manner that you've just described, that he would need
11　to be able to respond -- he did not want to be foreclosed,
12　for lack of a better term, from responding to any issue of a
13　document under seal by having -- he wants to be able to talk
14　about the document.
15　So I don't think it's going to work unless you and
16　Attorney Henzy have had some discussion since yesterday
17　about how to handle that issue.
If you don't have an
18　agreement on that issue, which is fine, then we're going to
19　proceed in the manner in which I stated we're going to
20　proceed.
21　Attorney Henzy?
22　MR. HENZY:
Your Honor, we haven't talked about
23　it.
I'm not going to tell Mr. Bassett obviously how to
24　conduct his argument.
If he can make his argument without
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1　entered, that's totally up to him.
2　I'm going to want to refer specifically to matters
3　in those documents so that --
4　THE COURT:
Okay.
Well, then we're going to
5　handle the matter in the way that I already stated.
We're
6　going to have a hearing that everyone is going to be able to
7　listen to with regard to documents that are not sealed, and
8　then we'll have to have a sealed portion of the hearing to
9　deal with the issues that are sealed.
10　MR. HENZY:
Your Honor, I don't want to belabor
11　it, just so I understand, the deposition transcript is
12　sealed for today's hearing, period, correct?
13　THE COURT:
That is correct.
14　MR. HENZY:
Okay.
15　THE COURT:
That is correct.
All of the documents
16　that were addressed this morning and the Court specifically
17　asked Attorney Linsey about, all the trustee's exhibits that
18　are part of ECF No. 1099 and 1100 are sealed.
19　MR. HENZY:
But, Your Honor, just to get out ahead
20　of it, when I do ask you to admit or not admit, the exhibits
21　that I want admitted, I am going to want portions of the
22　deposition transcript admitted.
23　I don't know if Mr. Bassett is going to object.
24　He may not know if he's going to object until I tell him
25　what the portions are.

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1　But I think if there's no objection, I think I
2　could do that without saying what is in those portions.
I
3　just want to give the Court that may be -- that may be
4　something we have to sort out when we get there.
Okay?
5　THE COURT:
I think what you're saying, Attorney
6　Henzy, is similar to what Mr. Bassett was saying, but you
7　weren't necessarily agreeing to, which is you were going to
8　say to me -- let me just play this out, okay, Attorney
9　Henzy?
10　MR. HENZY:
Yeah.
11　THE COURT:
I think what you -- what I heard you
12　say is you may refer to specific portions of the transcript
13　without having to say what they say --
14　MR. HENZY:
Yes.
15　THE COURT:
-- and ask me to consider those and
16　that I wouldn't have to have -- you wouldn't have to have
17　that discussion under seal.
Is that what you're telling me?
18　MR. HENZY:
No, I'm sorry, Your Honor.
19　So yesterday Mr. Bassett had admitted documents
20　that are now under seal.
Those were actually admitted as
21　full exhibits by stipulation.
And the issue I think now --
22　THE COURT:
Okay.
23　MR. HENZY:
-- is Mr. Bassett wants to talk about
24　the exhibits, show you and talk about the exhibits that are
25　now admitted in full.
I think that's where we potentially

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 What I'm telling -- what I'm going over with you, the evidence that I would like to have admitted before I make my argument, you know, I could say, Your Honor, of the deposition transcript, which is Exhibit 27, I want this page and these lines and this page and these lines and I could do that without saying what's in those lines of deposition transcript.

 And if Mr. Bassett said, no objection, I think it could be similar as yesterday, it could be admitted in full, but he may not be okay doing that. Certainly telling us now he's okay doing it because we may need to talk about what those are in order for you to make those rulings.

 MR. BASSETT: Your Honor, first of all, in response to Attorney Henzy's comments, I absolutely intend to object to his effort to introduce his own client's deposition testimony, his own client who is very transparently not here before the Court today offering testimony subject to cross-examination. He has no ability to introduce his client's deposition testimony under Federal Rules of Civil Procedure 32 or the Federal Rules of Evidence. It's all hearsay. He has no ability to do that. What I was going to propose, Your Honor, in accordance with your instructions at the outset of the hearing this morning, was before making my argument I think
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1　what Your Honor had said is that, you know, and I think this
2　is the correct way to proceed, is to deal with the evidence,
3　make sure everybody understands what evidence is in the
4　record, on both sides, and then we can argue from that
5　evidence.

 If we need to deal with objections to Mr. Henzy's attempts to introduce the deposition transcript, I don't know how he could do that in open court because I'd assume I'm going to have to -- I mean, I think it's wholesale improper, but I assume I may have to refer to the specific lines that he's trying to introduce.

 But from the trustee's standpoint, Your Honor, what I can -- what I can tell you is that the exhibits that we are relying upon as part of our presentation and our affirmative case, as it relates to the motion to hold the debtor in contempt, are the documents that are already set forth in the order that the Court entered yesterday and that were admitted into evidence yesterday. I'm happy to go through those again, but I think that is on the record from yesterday.

 That's Trustee Exhibits 7 and 10, Trustee Exhibit 6, Trustee Exhibit 15. And then in paragraph 4 of the order that the Court entered yesterday we also had admitted into evidence a portion of Exhibit 13, all of Exhibits 28 to 30, Exhibit 34, Exhibits 36 and 37, and a portion of Exhibit 39.
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1　The only additional exhibits that at this point,
2　as part of again the trustee's affirmative presentation that
3　I plan to have admitted into evidence or to ask the Court to
4　admit into evidence, are Exhibits 32 and 33 on the trustee's
5　list, which are not confidential.
6　And then I was planning to refer to and ask the
7　Court to admit very small portions of Exhibit 27, which is
8　the debtor's deposition transcript from last week, which is
9　usable by the trustee and admissible under both the Federal
10　Rules and the Federal Rules -- the Federal Rules of Civil
11　Procedure and the Federal Rules of Evidence.
12　But that, at this point, subject to the trustee's
13　right to ask the Court to admit additional exhibits for
14　rebuttal purposes would be the extent of the exhibits that
15　we'd ask the Court to admit for purposes of this hearing.
16　THE COURT:
Okay.
Well, again, we're going to
17　take the -- you're going to tell me -- you started
18　yesterday, by showing me specific information in exhibits
19　that support your claim that the debtor is still not in
20　compliance with the corporate governance order.
You're
21　going to continue that presentation with exhibits that are
22　not sealed.
23　Then Mr. Henzy can respond to that presentation
24　when you're done with any exhibits that are not sealed.
25　And then if you want to, and I believe you do

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1　because you've just mentioned exhibits that are under seal,
2　then we will have to close the courtroom and have that
3　section of the hearing under seal with regard to the
4　documents that are under seal.
5　MR. BASSETT:
Understood, Your Honor.
Does Your
6　Honor want to deal with all evidence at the outset prior to
7　the continuation of argument?
8　THE COURT:
No.
I want -- I want you to deal with
9　the evidence that is public record first and make your
10　points.
If you have four or five points, A through D, on
11　why, or however many you have, on why the debtor is in
12　contempt, then you will tell me what exhibits that are
13　public record and that have been admitted you're relying on
14　to support those assertions.
15　If you're telling me now that there are other
16　exhibits that -- in addition to the exhibits that were --
17　you introduced yesterday to be admitted into evidence that
18　are not under seal, then, yes, you can proceed with -- you
19　can tell me what those exhibits are first and we can move
20　for the admission.
21　It appears that Attorney Henzy doesn't have any
22　objection to the admission of those exhibits that are not
23　under seal.
24　And then you can make your argument.
And then
25　Attorney Henzy will be able to respond.
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1　close the hearing and we will have the hearing only limited
2　to the parties with regard to the matters under seal.
And
3　if you have to go back to points A, B, C and D again, that's
4　what you'll have to do.
5　I'm not having a hearing where we break every two
6　minutes to come back and forth.
It's untenable.
It makes
7　no sense.
You're asking the Court to do something that is
8　unfair and does -- not unfair, I'm saying how I'm -- how do
9　you want me to make this record?
10　I am not making a record where we have ten minutes
11　of public hearing, ten minutes under seal, ten minutes --
12　that's not going to happen.
That is not a good use of
13　anyone's time or resources.
14　I've made the ruling on the motion to seal.
I've
15　explained to you how the hearing is going to proceed.
16　So if there are -- if you would like to introduce
17　other exhibits that are on the trustee's exhibit list that
18　are not subject to the order that was just entered sealing
19　those specific exhibits, you may do so and then you must use
20　the exhibits to explain to me your points as to why and how
21　the debtor is in contempt of the corporate governance order.
22　Then Attorney Henzy will do the same thing.
23　And then we'll move on to the sealed portion of
24　the hearing.
Okay?
25　MR. BASSETT:
Understood.
Understood, Your Honor.

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1　And I think that's what I was attempting to do at least.
2　The two exhibits that I mentioned that are not
3　confidential that I would like to have --
4　THE COURT:
Then you need to move for their
5　admission and see what -- tell me what they are, move for
6　their admission, and I have to see if anybody has any
7　objection to them.
8　MR. BASSETT:
Understood, Your Honor.
9　The two exhibits are Trustee Exhibits 32 and 33.
10　Those are -- Exhibit 32 is an affidavit from a process
11　server indicating the trustee's attempts to locate and serve
12　Ms. Yvette Wang with a subpoena.
Exhibit 33 is an exchange
13　with her counsel indicating that he refused to accept
14　service of the subpoena.
15　I plan to refer to those documents at some point
16　in my comments today.
And the trustee would move for their
17　admission into evidence.
18　THE COURT:
Okay.
Thank you.
19　Attorney Henzy, do you have any objection to the
20　admission of Trustee's Exhibits 32 and 33 as full exhibits?
21　MR. HENZY:
Your Honor, I do not object to Exhibit
22　32.
It's an affidavit from a process server.
It's a sworn
23　affidavit.
24　I do object to Exhibit 33.
It's from someone that
25　I don't -- I don't know who it is and I think it's hearsay.

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1　MR. BASSETT:
Your Honor, the exhibit is not
2　hearsay.
It's not being offered for the truth of the matter
3　asserted.
It's being offered for the statement that this
4　individual, who is Ms. Yvette Wang's attorney, is
5　representing on the face of the document that he's unwilling
6　to accept service of the subpoena.
7　MR. HENZY:
Well, that is -- that is the truth of
8　the matter asserted, Your Honor.
I mean, that's what's
9　asserted.
What's asserted is that this person is unwilling
10　to accept service of a subpoena.
I don't understand how
11　that's not the truth of the matter asserted.
12　THE COURT:
Attorney Bassett?
13　MR. BASSETT:
Your Honor, that statement is being
14　offered for its effect on the listener and what it is saying
15　about the state of minds of the attorney who is making that
16　representation.
It's not being offered for the underlying
17　truth or any fact that we're trying to prove.
18　MR. HENZY:
I'm not sure what the purpose of
19　admitting it is then.
I mean, I think Mr. Bassett just said
20　what the purpose is.
21　MR. BASSETT:
Your Honor, this is a document --
22　MR. HENZY:
It's to show -- it's to show that this
23　person is not authorized to accept service.
I don't know
24　what other purpose it would serve.
25　MR. BASSETT:
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1　that we have -- it's another document in relation -- in
2　addition to the affidavit from the process server showing
3　our efforts to try to find this witness.
Again, it's being
4　offered for that -- for that purpose.
It's not being
5　offered for any other purpose beyond that.
6　THE COURT:
Well, so you're saying that Exhibit 33
7　is being offered as evidence of the trustee's attempt to
8　locate Ms. Wang and not that he wouldn't -- not that the
9　lawyer would not accept service?
Is that what you're
10　saying?
11　MR. BASSETT:
Your Honor, I don't think it matters
12　whether that statement is true or not.
This document speaks
13　for itself in terms of our efforts to locate the witness who
14　is not here.
15　THE COURT:
Well, I think it does.
I think it
16　might matter.
So if you're -- if you're saying that you
17　want it admitted solely for the purpose of demonstrating
18　that the trustee tried to make service, that's one thing,
19　versus saying that it establishes that the lawyer declined
20　to accept service.
21　MR. BASSETT:
Your Honor, we're fine with it
22　coming in for the former purpose that's stated by the Court.
23　THE COURT:
Attorney Henzy?
24　MR. HENZY:
I think that makes no sense here, Your
25　Honor.
It doesn't -- I don't think it shows anything about

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1　-- I think it's a statement by -- it's a statement by a
2　person.
3　THE COURT:
I'm not -- I just said if I was going
4　to admit it I would admit it solely as an example or
5　evidence of an attempt to serve a person.
That's it.
6　I wasn't talking about whether he -- I wasn't
7　going to give any weight to the evidence that somehow he
8　refused to accept service.
9　MR. HENZY:
Your Honor, then the exhibit makes no
10　sense.
I'm sorry.
11　THE COURT:
Well, I'm going to overrule your
12　objection and you can --
13　MR. HENZY:
Okay.
14　THE COURT:
-- you can reserve your right to
15　appeal that.
16　MR. HENZY:
Thank you, Your Honor.
17　THE COURT:
So I will admit that.
18　But for the limited purpose, Mr. Bassett, the
19　limited purpose of --
20　MR. BASSETT:
Understood, Your Honor.
21　THE COURT:
-- establishing that it was -- it
22　shows an effort to make service on Ms. Wang.
That's it.
23　Okay?
24　MR. BASSETT:
Understood.
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1　regard to the lawyer's statement.
Okay?
2　So admit -- Trustee's Exhibit 32 is admitted in
3　full.
4　Trustee's Exhibit 33 is admitted solely to support
5　a finding that the trustee made an additional effort to
6　serve Ms. Wang.
7　(Trustee's Exhibit 32 received in evidence.)
8　(Trustee's Exhibit 33 received in evidence.)
9　MR. BASSETT:
Thank you, Your Honor.
10　THE COURT:
Okay.
Thank you.
11　So are you ready to proceed, to continue your
12　argument that you began yesterday?
13　MR. BASSETT:
I am, Your Honor.
Thank you.
14　THE COURT:
Go right ahead.
15　MR. BASSETT:
Thank you.
16　So yesterday, obviously, Your Honor, we've been a
17　bit interrupted in the flow of my remarks, and I'm certainly
18　not going to repeat everything I said yesterday, but just to
19　very quickly recap where we are.
20　At the outset of the argument yesterday I started
21　with the corporate governance rights order and the
22　provisions of the Bankruptcy Code that references what that
23　order demonstrates is that it very clearly applies to all of
24　the entities in which the debtor has an interest, including
25　Ace Decade.

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1　And it also makes clear that, as is already clear
2　in the Bankruptcy Code, the debtor has a duty to cooperate
3　in making sure that the trustee has the ability to enjoy the
4　benefits of ownership and get control over entities that he
5　is now the owner of.
6　I then, Your Honor, after summarizing the
7　provisions of that order and the code, you know, noted that
8　the debtor's argument today, as set forth in his paper, I
9　expect is going to be that he is unable to do anything more
10　than he has already done in order to cause who he now says
11　is the nominee shareholder, Ms. Yvette Wang, to transfer the
12　shares of Ace Decade to the trustee.
13　I walked the Court through several of the non
14　confidential, non-privileged exhibits on the list, which
15　demonstrate first, beyond any doubt I think, that the debtor
16　from the beginning of Ace Decade's formation through its
17　investment in the UBS transaction and through everything
18　else that it's ever done as an entity has been the
19　principal, the person in control, the single person behind
20　Ace Decade.
21　I also walked the Court through some additional
22　exhibits that demonstrate that Yvette Wang, like her
23　predecessor before her, was merely planted as a nominal
24　director and nominee shareholder of this entity.
There's an

abundance of testimony indicating that Ms. Wang is an

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1　through -- and I really did not want to have to go back and
2　do my entire presentation of our case again, because I
3　walked the Court through exhibits that are in evidence where
4　Ms. Wang is referring to the debtor as her boss, where the
5　debtor refers to her as his employee, other statements and
6　documents that have been admitted into evidence where she's
7　referred as his chief of staff.
8　Your Honor, we went through all of these documents
9　yesterday as part of the continued argument.

 So to the extent Mr. Henzy wants to respond to those exhibits and arguments as part of my continued argument, which he has not yet responded to, he'll have the opportunity to do that.

 MR. HENZY: And I apologize, Your Honor. But what Mr. -- I will try to do that, Your Honor, but I think what Mr. Bassett just said is incorrect in terms of what did happen yesterday, and what he just referred to was testimony and there's been no testimony in this hearing.

 MR. BASSETT: I did not -- if I used the word testimony, that was not my intention. I think I referred to evidence which has been admitted through the documents that are exhibits in this matter.

 THE COURT: Okay. We're going to continue to proceed.

Attorney Henzy, any other -- make your notes and

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1　you can raise these in your response to -- once Mr.

2　Bassett's done with his presentation on the information and
3　exhibits that are not under seal.
Okay?
Thank you.
4　Go ahead, Attorney Bassett.
5　MR. HENZY:
Thank you, Your Honor.
6　MR. BASSETT:
Thank you, Your Honor.
7　The additional documents that I would refer to,
8　but I will reserve for the closed session, will continue
9　some of those points and I think flesh out those points that
10　have already been made.
But per Your Honor's instructions,
11　we will do that as part of the separate session.
12　So, Your Honor, what -- and I'm glad Mr. Henzy
13　made this point -- but what we don't have today from anyone
14　is testimony.
We certainly don't have testimony from the
15　debtor and that is -- that comes as no surprise whatsoever
16　to the trustee based not only on the testimony he's given in
17　this matter, but in past cases.
18　So I think the Court can and should derive
19　something from the fact that the debtor is not here today to
20　give testimony in support of what he could or could not do
21　to avoid being in contempt of court.
22　We also do not have today testimony from Ms.
23　Yvette Wang.
Why?
Because we cannot find her.
There are
24　two documents that we just discussed that are in the record.
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1　tried to reach out to her.
There are other documents that I
2　will refer to in the private session that go to this point
3　as well.
4　What we are left with are the documents that I've
5　referenced that establish a clear relationship between Ms.
6　Wang and the debtor that we think indicates beyond doubt
7　that he has the ability to direct her to transfer these
8　shares if she would do so.
9　So, Your Honor, to recap where we are, I think the
10　rest of the evidence that I would have to present would be
11　in the closed session.
12　What I had planned to do is after finishing my
13　discussion of the evidence to talk about what I think that
14　means in terms of the relief we're asking the Court to issue
15　and the order that we would ask the Court to enter.
16　I assume Your Honor wants me to move into that now
17　even though it kind of flows from what would be discussed in
18　the closed session.
Is that correct, Your Honor?
19　THE COURT:
If you can do so without divulging
20　anything in the information in the sealed documents, yes.
21　If not, then we'll do it as part of the sealed session.
22　MR. BASSETT:
Okay.
All right.
Sorry, Your
23　Honor.
I'm just trying to --
24　THE COURT:
Take your time.
25　MR. BASSETT:
-- reorient myself given the --

Ho Wan Kwok and Genever Holdings Corp - November 18, 2022 57 THE COURT: Take your time. MR. BASSETT: -- given the bifurcation of the hearing. THE COURT: Unfortunately, I have no choice but to bifurcate the hearing. MR. BASSETT: No, I'm not -- MR. HENZY: Your Honor -- THE COURT: It's just too complex. MR. HENZY: I apologize, Your Honor. If it's all right with the Court, I have no problem with Mr. Bassett coming back after I've gone through mine and we've done our sealed session because I -- so that he -- I understand it would cause his close to be disjointed because he hasn't had a chance to -- again, if that's a better way to do it, I'm fine with that. MR. BASSETT: Your Honor, I really don't -- I really don't think I can -- I can go to the rest without referring back to information that -- THE COURT: That's fine. MR. BASSETT: -- Your Honor's -- THE COURT: I want to be clear for the record because we need to be clear in this hearing, as we do in every hearing, but because this hearing is going to have different parts to it, the trustee's motion for contempt and the evidence that has been presented so far to the Court on

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1　the trustee's motion that we began talking about yesterday,
2　the following exhibits were entered into evidence yesterday:
3　Trustee's 6, 7, 10 and 15 in full without objection,
4　Trustee's 13, page 3.
And then the next exhibits were
5　subject to sealing, 28 through 30, 34, 36 through 37, and
6　39, page 55, line 25.
7　And then today Trustee's Exhibits 32 and 33.
8　Are there any other exhibits at this point,
9　Attorney Bassett, that I'm missing on your presentation that
10　you've already made to the Court?
11　MR. BASSETT:
I don't believe so.
I think you've
12　captured them all, Your Honor.
13　The only minor correction is I think with respect
14　to Exhibit 39.
I think Your Honor said page 55, line 25,
15　but it's actually lines 23 through 25.
16　THE COURT:
Oh, you're right, 23 through 25.
17　Sorry.
Okay.
18　And that -- and those exhibits in the mind, not
19　the mind, I mean, the trustee's presentation support
20　contempt for the following reasons. That Mr. Kwok remains in
21　contempt because he can take action to have the shares of
22　Ace Decade signed over to the trustee through Ms. Wang, who
23　the trustee asserts, as the evidence establishes, that Mr.
24　Kwok has a business relationship with Ms. Wang, that Ms.
25　Wang referred to Mr. Kwok on numerous occasions as her boss,
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1　that Ms. Wang acted as a go-between in connection with
2　different transactions, and that the -- that that
3　establishes that Mr. Kwok has not done everything that he
4　can do to cooperate with the trustee, not only in connection
5　with the corporate governance order provisions itself, but
6　the provisions of the Bankruptcy Code that require the
7　cooperation of the debtor with the trustee, to cooperate
8　with the trustee so that the trustee can conduct the
9　investigation of the affairs of the debtor's estate.
10　In addition to the fact that the evidence
11　establishes those facts according to the trustee, the
12　evidence also establishes that there's no testimony from
13　either Mr. Kwok or Ms. Wang that would refute anything that
14　the trustee has stated and argued in support of those
15　claims.
16　Is that accurate, Mr. Bassett?
17　MR. BASSETT:
Your Honor, again, I think that was

 a fair summary. Obviously, I'll let the argument that I've made speak for itself, but I think generally Your Honor captured the key points that we're trying to make.

 THE COURT: All right. I want to make sure that that is the case. Because, again, we are going to be having two portions of the hearing. So I want to make sure we're addressing the appropriate issues of evidence during the appropriate sessions of the hearing.

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1　MR. BASSETT:
That's correct, Your Honor.
I mean,
2　I think the additional discussion that we will have in the
3　sealed portion will provide further support --
4　THE COURT:
Correct.
Understood.
5　MR. BASSETT:
-- for the arguments --
6　THE COURT:
Understood.
I'm trying to separate
7　out the arguments I'm going to hear that are not sealed or
8　subject to not having everyone be in attendance.
And so
9　that's what I've heard you say with regard to the public
10　part of this hearing.
Okay?
11　If I'm missing something, I'd like you to tell me
12　now.
13　MR. BASSETT:
I don't believe so, Your Honor.
14　THE COURT:
Okay.
Thank you.
15　So, Attorney Henzy, it's your turn to reply to the
16　presentation that Attorney Bassett has made up to this
17　point.
Okay?
18　MR. HENZY:
Thank you, Your Honor.
19　THE COURT:
And if you're going to seek to
20　introduce exhibits, I would like you to do that first --
21　MR. HENZY:
Understood, Your Honor.
22　THE COURT:
-- and then we'll find out whether or
23　not there's any objection to those exhibits.
24　MR. HENZY:
Thank you, Your Honor.
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1　E, G, H and I be admitted.
2　THE COURT:
Let me just repeat that to make sure I
3　heard you properly.
Did you say B, C, E, G, H and I?
4　MR. HENZY:
I think -- I think I may have -- let
5　me restate it, Your Honor, to make sure.
6　So B as in boy.
7　THE COURT:
Yeah.
8　MR. HENZY:
C, as in cat.
D, as in dog.
9　THE COURT:
Okay.
I missed that.
10　MR. HENZY:
E, as in Eric.
G, as in George.
H,
11　as in Harry.
And I, as in iguana.
12　THE COURT:
Okay.
I missed D then when you
13　recited those, so that was my mistake.
Thank you.
14　All right.
Are you moving for the admission in
15　full of those exhibits, Attorney Henzy?
16　MR. HENZY:
Yes, Your Honor.
17　THE COURT:
Okay.
Attorney Bassett, do you have
18　any objection to the admission in full of the exhibits that
19　Attorney Henzy just stated on the record?
20　MR. BASSETT:
I do, Your Honor.
21　I would object to the admission of Exhibits H and
22　I.
Those are hearing transcripts of I believe not an
23　insignificant length.
I don't know what counsel is seeking
24　to admit.
25　MR. HENZY:
Just --

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1　THE COURT:
All right.
So hold on a second.
Hold
2　on.
Hold on.
All right.
3　So, Mr. Bassett, you're only objecting to H and I
4　at this -- that's what -- I want to know right now so I can
5　admit the others if you're -- and then we can talk about H
6　and I.
7　MR. BASSETT:
That's correct, Your Honor.
I will
8　make arguments from the other exhibits, but I do not object
9　to them being admitted.
10　THE COURT:
Okay.
Thank you.
11　So let's make the record clear.
The Debtor's
12　Exhibits B, as in boy, C, as in cat, D, as in dog, E, as in
13　Eric, G, as in George, are admitted as full exhibits.
Okay?
14　(Debtor's Exhibit B, C, D, E and G received in
15　evidence.)
16　THE COURT:
Now, let's talk about H and I.
17　So, Mr. Bassett, tell me -- you started to, and I
18　probably stopped you in some respects, but tell me the basis
19　for your objection to the admission in full of the Debtor's
20　H and I, please.
21　MR. HENZY:
Your Honor, actually, maybe I could
22　make it simpler.
23　Mr. Bassett's point is a fair one, and I do not
24　intend to use or admit the full transcript.
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1　this matter and I is the transcript of the August 4 hearing
2　in this matter.
And the only portions of those transcripts
3　that I am moving into evidence is the August 1 transcript,
4　which is my Exhibit H, it's at page 121, lines 23 through
5　25.
6　THE COURT:
Lines 23 through 25?
7　MR. HENZY:
Yes, Your Honor.
8　THE COURT:
All right.
Well, let's give Mr.
9　Bassett a minute to look at that then, please.
10　MR. BASSETT:
I'm trying to do that now, Your
11　Honor.
12　THE COURT:
Yeah.
Take your time.
13　MR. BASSETT:
I'm sorry.
Attorney Henzy, can you
14　tell me the page and line reference one more time?
15　THE COURT:
Page 121, lines 23 through 25.
Do you
16　want us to pull that up, Mr. Bassett?
17　THE COURT:
No.
I have it, Your Honor.
I'm just
18　trying to figure out who's speaking.
19　MR. HENZY:
Actually, I apologize for that.
I
20　would have to actually go back.
21　I'll represent that that's Mr. Despins.
And you
22　have to go back to page 118 at line 13.
23　So I guess I would ask that be admitted as well,
24　Your Honor, because Mr. Bassett is correct, that it's a
25　multiple page over then to be able to identify that Mr.

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Ho Wan Kwok and Genever Holdings Corp - November 18, 2022 64 Despins is the speaker. THE COURT: Okay. MR. BASSETT: I don't have an objection to the entry of that testimony. I reserve the right to potentially ask the Court to consider other aspects of this transcript in rebuttal, but, you know, having just seen it right now, I don't know what that might be until I hear Mr. Henzy's argument. THE COURT: So are we admitting from 118 through 121, or you just want at this point 118, line 13 and 121, lines 23 and 25, Attorney Henzy? MR. HENZY: I'm asking for 118, line 13, because that identifies Mr. Despins, and then 121, lines 23 through 25. MR. BASSETT: And I have no objection to that subject to -- THE COURT: Okay. MR. BASSETT: -- the reservation of rights that I just gave. But just to be clear, it's not 118, line 13 through the end, just 118, line 13, and then separately from that -- THE COURT: Yes. MR. BASSETT: -- 121 -- THE COURT: Yes. Case 22-50073 Doc 1196 Filed 12/03/22 Entered 12/03/22 11:30:16 Page 64 of

Ho Wan Kwok and Genever Holdings Corp - November 18, 2022 65 MR. BASSETT: -- 23 to 25. THE COURT: So Exhibit H is admitted as a full exhibit to the following extent: we're only admitting -- it's not -- it's admitted in full, but the parties are agreeing what the Court is going to look at is page 118, line 13, and page 121, lines 23 through 25. Correct? MR. HENZY: Correct, Your Honor. THE COURT: Okay. All right. (Debtor's Exhibit H, page 118, line 13, and page 121, lines 23 through 25, received in evidence.) THE COURT: And then what about Exhibit I? MR. HENZY: So on Exhibit I, Your Honor, I would ask that page 47, lines 15 through 16, be admitted. THE COURT: You're going to have to give Mr. Bassett a minute there. MR. BASSETT: 15 through 17 on page 47? THE COURT: 15 through 16 I thought Attorney Henzy said. What did you say? MR. HENZY: 15 through 16 on page 47. THE COURT: Yeah. MR. BASSETT: You're cutting off the end of a sentence. Is that intentional? MR. HENZY: Oh, so 15 through 17. MR. BASSETT: No objection. Case 22-50073 Doc 1196 Filed 12/03/22 Entered 12/03/22 11:30:16 Page 65 of

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Ho Wan Kwok and Genever Holdings Corp - November 18, 2022 66 THE COURT: Okay. MR. BASSETT: Subject to the same reservation I gave for the last exhibit. THE COURT: Okay. Thank you. Then Exhibit I is admitted, page 47, lines 15 through 17, with no objection from Mr. Bassett except for the reservation of -- in response citing to possibly other parts of that transcript. (Debtor's Exhibit I, page 17, lines 15 through 17, received in evidence.) THE COURT: Okay. What else, Attorney Henzy? Is that -- those are your exhibits? MR. HENZY: And then, Your Honor, I would ask that Exhibit 27. Now, again, Your Honor, we're going to run into the problem of this document is -- THE COURT: We're not going to talk about Exhibit 27 right now. MR. HENZY: Okay. Perfect. THE COURT: That's going to be part of the sealed portion of the hearing. MR. HENZY: Okay. Very, well, Your Honor. Thank you. THE COURT: So go ahead. MR. HENZY: So one point I want to get out of the way, Your Honor, is Mr. Bassett points out that Mr. Kwok is
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1　not here today.
He was on the trustee's witness list.
2　And my understanding was that we had resolved his
3　needing to testify through the partial resolution order that
4　we entered and I was not under the -- I did not have the
5　understanding that Mr. Bassett expected or wanted Mr. Kwok
6　to be here today.
7　Your Honor, I know that there is a lot going on in
8　this case, but I think it's critically important to focus on
9　what is before you.
10　There's a whole -- this is a contempt motion
11　specifically related to the corporate governance order and
12　whether or not Mr. Kwok is in violation of the corporate
13　governance order.
So all of these other things going on are
14　not part of that.
There's a very narrow issue that all the
15　other things in the case do not connect to.
16　I think it's also critically important to focus on
17　the contempt standard.
18　The Supreme Court in the Taggart case that I cite
19　in the objection, that's at 139 Supreme Court 1795, says
20　civil contempt should not be resorted to where there is not
21　-- where there -- I'm sorry, where there is -- so civil
22　contempt should not be resorted to where there is a fair
23　ground of doubt as to the wrongfulness of the defendant's
24　conduct.
So no civil contempt where there's a fair ground
25　of doubt.

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1　The Second Circuit in the King case which is at --
2　THE COURT:
In what case?
In what case, Mr.
3　Henzy?
I'm sorry.
I couldn't hear you.
4　MR. HENZY:
It's the King vs. Allied Vision case.
5　THE COURT:
Okay.
6　MR. HENZY:
It's at 65 F.3d 1051.
And that case,
7　Your Honor, has been cited and quoted by many other Second
8　Circuit decisions and district court decisions in this
9　circuit, states a contempt order, following on that fair
10　ground of doubt standard, a contempt order is only warranted
11　where the moving party, that here is the trustee,
12　establishes by clear and convincing evidence -- so it's not
13　a preponderance standard, Your Honor -- it's clear and
14　convincing evidence that the alleged conduct contemnor
15　violated the Court's edict.
16　The King court goes on to say, more specifically,
17　a movant must establish:
One, the order the contemnor
18　failed to comply with is clear and unambiguous; two, the
19　proof of non-compliance is clear and convincing; and, three,
20　the contemnor has not diligently attempted to comply in a
21　reasonable manner.
22　The King court goes on to state a clear and
23　unambiguous order is one that leaves no uncertainty in the
24　minds of those to whom it is addressed who must be able to
25　ascertain from the four corners of the order precisely what

Ho Wan Kwok and Genever Holdings Corp - November 18, 2022 69 acts are forbidden. In the Second Circuit case of United States v. Wendy, it's at 575 F.2d, and this is at 1075 of that decision, the Second Circuit stated a long recognized defense to a civil contempt citation is the cited individual's inability to comply with the Court's order. Case 22-50073 Doc 1196 Filed 12/03/22 Entered 12/03/22 11:30:16 Page 69 of

 Critically, Your Honor, the trustee has the burden to prove by clear and convincing evidence that Mr. Kwok is not in compliance with a clear and unambiguous order where it's within the four corners of that order that what he's being accused of having failed to do is within the four corners of that order.

 My first argument, Your Honor, is that Mr. Kwok is not in violation of the order. And I am not arguing that your order is not clear and that it is ambiguous.

 I am arguing that what the trustee requires you to do, in some sense, would create ambiguity, because I just don't think it's in the order.

 The question on this first one I'm making is is there no fair ground of doubt that -- and has the trustee shown by clear and convincing evidence, that the order clearly and unambiguously requires what the trustee is demanding?

 I'm not arguing impossibility here, Your Honor, based on Mr. Kwok never having owned Ace Decade. Again,

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1　that was -- that was taken care of in the partial resolution
2　order which we did not object to.
3　Your Honor, I'd ask that Exhibit E be brought up.
4　THE COURT:
Okay.
Just give us a second and it
5　will be.
Thank you.
6　THE COURTROOM DEPUTY:
Exhibit E is being shown on
7　the screen.
8　MR. HENZY:
Thank you.
9　And, Your Honor, can control be turned over to Mr.
10　Cesaroni, please.
11　THE COURT:
Yes.
Just give that a second, please.
12　MR. CESARONI:
Your Honor, I have control of the
13　screen.
14　THE COURT:
Okay.
Thank you.
15　MR. HENZY:
Thank you.
16　Mr. Cesaroni, can you please take it to paragraph
17　2 on page 2.
Thank you.
Right there.
18　Your Honor, I'm focusing you on the first sentence
19　of that paragraph 2.
So effective as of the entry of the
20　order dated, July 8, 2022, granting the appointment of Luc
21　A. Despins as the trustee in the Chapter 11 case the trustee
22　holds all of the debtor's economic and governance rights for
23　the benefit of the estate with respect to all debtor
24　controlled entities, including, without limitation Genever
25　BVI.

Ho Wan Kwok and Genever Holdings Corp - November 18, 2022 71 I'd ask that the Court show Exhibit -- put up Exhibit G. THE COURTROOM DEPUTY: Exhibit G is being shown on the screen. MR. HENZY: Thank you. Once Mr. Cesaroni has control of it, Can you please take it to paragraph 12 on page 4. THE COURT: Hold on. What's Exhibit G? Exhibit G is what, the privileges order? MR. HENZY: Exhibit G, Your Honor, I apologize -- so Exhibit E was the corporate governance order. THE COURT: Right. I saw that. MR. HENZY: Okay. Exhibit G is the motion filed by the trustee asking that the corporate governance order be entered. THE COURT: Okay. So it's the motion for the entry of the corporate governance order. Okay. Thank you. MR. HENZY: Mr. Cesaroni, could you please go to paragraph 12 at page 4. And, Your Honor, I'm not going to read that entire paragraph into the record. Essentially it's a recitation in the motion of what I would call the black letter law that upon his appointment that Mr. Despins, in fact, succeeded to all corporate governance and economic rights that the debtor had in any entities, or debtor controlled entities as Case 22-50073 Doc 1196 Filed 12/03/22 Entered 12/03/22 11:30:16 Page 71 of

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1　defined in this motion.
2　Has Your Honor had a chance to look at that?
3　THE COURT:
Yes.
I'm looking at paragraph 12 of
4　Exhibit G.
5　MR. HENZY:
Thank you.
6　THE COURT:
Do you want me to go onto the next
7　page since it's an incomplete sentence at the bottom of page
8　4?
9　MR. HENZY:
It's just a citation, Your Honor.
I
10　don't need you to go past that.
11　But actually, on the next page, at paragraph 13, I
12　would ask you to -- I'll read the first sentence of that
13　paragraph 13.
It is paramount that the trustee exercises as
14　soon as possible economic and corporate control over the
15　debtor-controlled entities, including Genever BVI, in order
16　to preserve and recover assets for the benefit of the
17　estate.
18　Then I'd ask, Mr. Cesaroni, if you could page down
19　to paragraph 20 at page 9.
So actually that runs over.
If
20　you could go over to paragraph, I'm sorry, page 9, Mr.
21　Cesaroni.
22　The last sentence in that paragraph 20 that runs
23　over from page 8 to page 9, Your Honor, it says given this
24　history the debtor should not be left to exercise any
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1　controlled entities for one more day.
2　And then at paragraph 21, the first sentence, Your
3　Honor, to enable the trustee to exercise the foregoing
4　authority without interference from the debtor, the Court
5　should confirm that the debtor may not interfere with,
6　hinder, or delay the trustee's exercise of the debtor's
7　economic and governance rights with respect to the debtor
8　controlled entities.
9　When you're ready, Your Honor, if the Court could
10　bring up Exhibit H.
11　THE COURT:
Okay.
Exhibit H.
And we're just
12　going to what, the page 121 again?
13　MR. BASSETT:
Yes, Your Honor.
14　MR. HENZY:
Yes, Your Honor.
15　THE COURT:
Lines 23 through 25?
16　MR. HENZY:
Yes, Your Honor.
17　THE COURT:
But we know that's Trustee Despins
18　speaking because page 118 indicates -- at line 13 indicates
19　that?
20　MR. HENZY:
Yes, Your Honor.
21　THE COURT:
Okay.
Hold on a second.
You don't
22　have to go to page 118.
You just have to go to page -- I
23　think everybody's agreeing that we can just go to page 121,
24　lines 23 through 25.
25　THE COURTROOM DEPUTY:
Exhibit H is on the screen.

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1　THE COURT:
Thank you.
Could you scroll down --
2　MR. HENZY:
And go to lines --
3　THE COURT:
-- to page 121, lines 23 to 25,
4　please.
Thank you.
Right there.
5　MR. HENZY:
Your Honor, Mr. Despins at the August
6　1 hearing, I'm sorry, yes, at the August 1 hearing, on the
7　motion to approve corporate governance order, states and
8　that's what this accomplishes.
Basically it makes it very
9　clear that we hold all these rights and that's why we ask
10　Your Honor to enter the order.
11　And if the Court could go to Exhibit I when Your
12　Honor is ready.
13　THE COURT:
Certainly.
Okay.
Debtor's Exhibit I.
14　And, again, we're going to a specific page, correct?
15　MR. HENZY:
Yes, Your Honor.
We're going to page
16　47.
17　THE COURT:
What lines on page 47?
Wasn't there a
18　specific reference to lines?
19　MR. HENZY:
15 through 17, Your Honor.
20　THE COURT:
15 through 17.
21　THE COURTROOM DEPUTY:
Exhibit --
22　MR. HENZY:
And, Your Honor, where Mr. Despins
23　says --
24　THE COURTROOM DEPUTY:
Exhibit I is on the screen.
25　MR. HENZY:
-- Your Honor we filed --

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1　I apologize.
2　THE COURTROOM DEPUTY:
Okay.
3　THE COURT:
The courtroom deputy just noted for
4　the record that Exhibit I is on the screen.
5　MR. HENZY:
Okay.
6　THE COURT:
And now I'm looking at page 47, lines
7　15 through 17.
8　MR. HENZY:
Thank you, Your Honor.
9　Where Mr. Despins states Your Honor we filed a
10　very broad motion to (indiscernible) all corporate
11　governance rights and we mention BVI specifically.
12　And then, Your Honor, if we go to page 64, at
13　lines 19 through 22.
14　THE COURT:
Did we -- we didn't talk about 64
15　before, did we though?
I mean, I'm not -- I don't know --
16　MR. HENZY:
Oh, I thought --
17　THE COURT:
-- Attorney Bassett's going to have
18　any objection to it, but did we talk about that before?
19　MR. HENZY:
I thought -- I thought we did, Your
20　Honor.
21　THE COURT:
No.
We only talked about page 47,
22　lines 15 -- at least my notes indicate that.
I could have
23　missed something.
24　Attorney Bassett, did you have any indication that
25　we were looking at anything other than page 47, lines 15

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1　through 17 in I?
2　MR. BASSETT:
I did not, Your Honor.
That was the
3　only -- that was the only portion of this document that was
4　moved into evidence.
5　MR. HENZY:
That was my oversight, Your Honor.
6　I'd ask that page 64 at 19 -- at lines 19 through 22 be
7　admitted.
8　THE COURT:
Let me let Attorney Bassett take a
9　look at that off, you know, on his -- I'm asking the
10　courtroom deputy not to go to that other page yet.
11　MR. HENZY:
That's fine.
12　THE COURT:
Attorney Bassett, you can take a look
13　at it yourself or do you want us to go to that page?
14　MR. BASSETT:
I'll get it.
Can you just give me
15　the reference one more time, please.
16　THE COURT:
What is it, Attorney Henzy?
17　MR. HENZY:
Page 64 at lines 19 through 22.
18　MR. BASSETT:
What does it start with?
I just
19　want to make sure I'm at the right place.
20　MR. HENZY:
So it's at the reason we ask.
21　MR. BASSETT:
Well, that's -- oh, okay.
I thought
22　that was a statement you were making.
Let me read it.
I
23　see -- I see that it's Mr. Despins now.
One second.
24　THE COURT:
You're taking a look, Mr. Bassett?
Or
25　do you want us to turn to that page?

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1　MR. BASSETT:
No.
I am, Your Honor.
2　THE COURT:
What I should say to you is do you --
3　have you had an opportunity to look at it and do you have
4　any objection to it?
5　MR. BASSETT:
The problem, Your Honor, is it's not
6　-- it's not very clear as a stand alone excerpt, so I'm
7　reading back to other pages.
It's hard to do this on a
8　moment's notice.
I apologize.
9　THE COURT:
That's okay.
Take your time.
10　MR. BASSETT:
Your Honor, I have to object at this
11　point.
The excerpt is not clear and I can't -- it's not
12　complete.
I mean, there's a reference in the language back
13　to something that's being discussed in prior pages of the
14　transcript, and I cannot -- not object to the document at
15　this stage.
16　MR. HENZY:
Your Honor, if I may?
17　THE COURT:
Yes, please.
18　MR. HENZY:
Mr. Bassett can certainly go back as
19　rebuttal if you ask that the Court -- any portion of the
20　transcript be admitted.
21　I think that the excerpt is clear for the purposes
22　I'm going to use it.
And this is his client's statement.
I
23　don't know how it could not be admissible.
24　THE COURT:
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25　admissible.
He's saying that he objects to it right now

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1　because he doesn't understand it, it's context, because he
2　doesn't -- it's talking about a bunch of different things
3　and going back.
4　I don't know.
I'll have to look at it.
So you'll
5　have to give me a second.
I haven't seen it.
And it wasn't
6　raised obviously already before we started the argument, so
7　let me take a look at it.
So you'll have to be patient for
8　a moment.
9　(Pause)
10　THE COURT:
Okay.
Mr. Bassett, I'm going to let
11　that in.
I'm going to let page 64, lines 19 through 22 be
12　admitted.
13　And then you absolutely have the right to, in
14　response, suggest that something else should be added to the
15　record from that transcript.
16　And then I'll rule on that when and if you decide
17　to do that.
Okay?
18　MR. BASSETT:
That's fine, Your Honor.
19　And just to be clear, I've not been able to
20　understand from looking at it in, you know, three or four
21　minutes what that right in the passage that Mr. Henzy is
22　going to read or (indiscernible).
Maybe he can shed some
23　light on what he believes it means when he does his
24　argument.
25　MR. HENZY:
That's fine.

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1　Your Honor, actually I would ask that I think line
2　14 at least -- but I say just to make 14 through 22 needs to
3　be admitted because that -- we need 14 in order for the
4　record to identify the speaker is Mr. Despins.
5　THE COURT:
So 14 through 22?
6　MR. BASSETT:
I have no --
7　MR. HENZY:
Yes, Your Honor.
8　THE COURT:
Attorney Bassett, were you going to
9　say something?
10　MR. BASSETT:
Yeah.
I think, Your Honor, we
11　should do what we did before which is line 14 comes in and
12　then 19 through 22.
13　MR. HENZY:
That's fine.
I'm fine with that.
14　THE COURT:
Okay.
I'm fine with that too.
Okay.
15　(Debtor's Exhibit I, page 64, line 14, and lines 19
16　through 22, received in evidence.)
17　THE COURT:
Then let's continue, please, Attorney
18　Henzy.
19　MR. HENZY:
Thank you, Your Honor.
20　So, Your Honor, in the motion the trustee told you
21　that the law provides that when he was appointed he
22　succeeded to all corporate governance rights.
23　The trustee told you in the motion that Mr. Kwok
24　should not have any governance rights for -- and give me one
25　second, Your Honor, I want to make sure I get the words

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1　right.
2　(Pause.)
3　Mr. Kwok should not have any governance rights for
4　one more day.
Again, that's at paragraph 20, last sentence
5　of paragraph 20 of the motion.
The debtor should not be
6　left to exercise any corporate governance rights with
7　respect to debtor-controlled entities for one more day.
It
8　was so important to get this out of the hands of the debtor,
9　it couldn't be there for one more day.
10　The trustee in the motion specifically said it is
11　paramount that the trustee exercise as soon as possible the
12　economic and corporate control over debtor-controlled
13　entities.
14　The order itself, and, again, that is consistent
15　with the statements that Mr. Despins made on the record that
16　are now in evidence at the August 1 and August 4 hearings.
17　And that, Your Honor, if you circle back to the
18　first sentence of paragraph 2 of the order, effective at the
19　entry of the order granting --
20　THE COURT:
Hold on a second.
Hold on a second,
21　Attorney Henzy.
Let's just make sure we're citing to the
22　exhibits.
So circle back to E?
23　MR. HENZY:
Exhibit E.
24　THE COURT:
Yeah.
25　MR. HENZY:
Exhibit E.

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1　THE COURT:
Okay.
2　MR. HENZY:
That first sentence, Your Honor, that
3　I pointed you to and read into the record, effective at the
4　entry of the order dated July 8th, 2022 granting the
5　appointment of Luc Despins as the trustee in the Chapter 11
6　case.
The trustee holds all of the debtor's economic and
7　governance rights for the benefit of the estate with respect
8　to all debtor-controlled entities including but not limited
9　to Genever BVI.
10　So as of -- the trustee -- so what Mr. Despins is
11　asking you to do is hold Mr. Kwok in contempt for not
12　exercising some authority he had as owner to direct Ms.
13　Wang, as nominee shareholder, and director of Ace Decade to
14　take certain action.
15　But this order, at Mr. Despins' request, upon Mr.
16　Despins's appointment, again, he tells you in the motion as
17　a matter of black letter law that the debtor was divested of
18　any corporate governance rights and he succeeded to those
19　rights.
He then had you or asked you and you did confirm
20　that in this order in very, very unequivocal terms.
21　If Mr. Despins wants to argue that notwithstanding
22　the language of what he asked -- the language he asked for
23　you -- he asked for this order in and then the language of
24　the order that Mr. Kwok has some residual corporate
25　authority, and this court decides to determine or hold that

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1　notwithstanding the language of this order that Mr. Kwok has
2　some residual corporate authority to, as equitable owner or
3　beneficial shareholder, direct Ms. Wang to take some action
4　as nominee shareholder and director, Mr. Despins can make
5　that argument.
And Your Honor, with all due respect, you
6　can -- you can order that, but that's not what this order
7　says.
8　If Your Honor were to find today that there is

 residual corporate authority in this order for Mr. Kwok to take some action, from a perspective of corporate authority, at the very least, Your Honor, given the language of the order, the order -- the order is ambiguous because the order doesn't say that. It doesn't reserve -- it doesn't purport to reserve any residual corporate authority in Mr. Kwok.

 So if I dial back to the standard that I set out, if you were going to hold Mr. Kwok in contempt, the trustee has to prove that the order clearly and unambiguously requires what the trustee is demanding. That's my point one. My point --

 THE COURT: Let me stop you though because you've already stated before we talked about Exhibit E and Exhibit G that you're not arguing that the order is not clear and ambiguous, but now you are. So --

 MR. HENZY: No. I'm not -- I'm not arguing that, Your Honor, because I think that the order is clear. I
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1　think that the order has made clear that Mr. Kwok is
2　divested of all corporate authority.
I don't -- I don't --
3　With your finding that Mr. Kwok was the beneficial
4　owner through the appointment of Mr. Despins as trustee that
5　what follows is that your order is not ambiguous at all.
6　What your order says is that Mr. Kwok, as of the
7　trustee's appointment, is divested of all corporate
8　authority.
So I don't think -- I don't think the order --
9　actually I don't think the order is ambiguous.
And I think
10　that there is no residual corporate authority in your order
11　and, therefore, Mr. Kwok can't, as beneficial owner, direct
12　the shareholder or director to do anything as a matter of
13　corporate authority.
Okay?
14　My argument though was a different one, which is,
15　if you were to find today that my
-- I'll call it argument
16　1(a) is wrong, that Mr. Kwok, notwithstanding the trustee's
17　appointment and notwithstanding your entry of this order, of
18　the corporate governance order, has some authority, has some
19　residual authority to act as beneficial owner to direct Ms.
20　Wang to take corporate action, then I would argue to you --
21　that's the way you interpret your order, Your Honor, then I
22　would argue to you then your order is ambiguous because --
23　THE COURT:
Okay.
24　MR. HENZY:
-- it is so clear.
So that serves as
25　my argument 1(b).

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1　I don't think the order is ambiguous.
But if
2　you're going to find there's this residual authority, then I
3　think your order is ambiguous because I don't see any
4　residual authority in the four corners of that order.
5　Which, again, that's the -- the King, Second Circuit, case
6　said it has to be in the four corners of the order.
7　What it is that Mr. Kwok is supposed to do and is
8　not doing has to be in the four corners of the order.
9　THE COURT:
Okay.
I understand.
Thank you.
10　MR. HENZY:
Thank you, Your Honor.
Thank you.
11　My argument -- so I'm going to phrase it as
12　argument 1(a) and 1(b) I've already made.
13　My argument two, it is -- it may sound somewhat
14　the same, but actually I think it's related but it's
15　different.
16　Now, again, the basic point on my argument number
17　2 is, or the frame of reference is, is there no fair ground
18　of doubt that and has the trustee shown by clear and
19　convincing evidence the debtor -- that the order clearly and
20　unambiguously requires what the trustee is demanding?
21　If I could take you back to Exhibit E, Your Honor,
22　which is the corporate governance order.
23　THE COURT:
Okay.
Shall we pull that up?
24　MR. HENZY:
Yes, please, Your Honor.
25　THE COURT:
Okay.
Exhibit E, please.

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1　THE COURTROOM DEPUTY:
Exhibit E is on the screen.
2　THE COURT:
Thank you.
3　Do you want control over that document, Attorney
4　Henzy, or do you want us to go to a specific place in the
5　document?
6　MR. HENZY:
If you could page to paragraph 2 on
7　page 2, Your Honor.
8　THE COURT:
Okay.
9　MR. HENZY:
That's perfect.
That's perfect.
10　Thank you.
Your Honor -- oh, could you just page down a
11　little bit, Your Honor, because the bottom of that paragraph
12　2 is being cut off.
That's perfect.
Thank you.
13　Your Honor, I've already -- previously I focused
14　you on the first sentence of that paragraph 2.
Now I want
15　to focus you on the second and third sentences of that
16　paragraph 2.
So I'll read them into the record.
17　"For the avoidance of doubt, the foregoing rights
18　throughout" -- if you go back up to sentence number 1, in
19　that paragraph 2, the foregoing rights is referring to all
20　the debtor's economic and governance rights -- "for the
21　avoidance of doubt, the foregoing rights include the
22　trustee's asserted authority to replace any existing
23　officer, director, manager, or similar person of debtor
24　controlled entities.
As part of the foregoing, to the
25　extent necessary, the trustee is authorized to act in his

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1　capacity as Chapter 11 Trustee in a Chapter 11 case as any
2　such officer, director, manager, or similar person who has
3　been removed."
4　So, Your Honor, the order expressly contemplates
5　that the trustee can remove a director and remove a nominee
6　shareholder for a debtor-controlled entity.
7　If I could you back to Exhibit G, Your Honor, if
8　you could bring that up.
9　THE COURT:
Okay.
Sure.
Just give the courtroom
10　deputy a moment to get that, to get Debtor's Exhibit G.
11　THE COURTROOM DEPUTY:
Exhibit G is on the screen.
12　MR. HENZY:
Thank you.
13　THE COURT:
And, Attorney Henzy, where --
14　MR. HENZY:
If you could page to page 5, paragraph
15　13.
16　THE COURT:
Okay.
I'm looking at page 5,
17　paragraph 13, of Exhibit G.
18　MR. HENZY:
Your Honor, I previously pointed you
19　to the first sentence of that paragraph 13.
Now I'd pointed
20　you to the second sentence of that paragraph 13 which states
21　-- again, this is the trustee's motion seeking entry of the
22　corporate governance order -- for the avoidance of doubt,
23　this includes the trustee's authority to replace any
24　existing officer, director, manager, or similar person of
25　the debtor-controlled entities.
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1　So in the motion the trustee is asking for
2　specific authority to replace officers, directors, et
3　cetera, and the Court in paragraph 2 of Exhibit E, the
4　corporate governance order, ordered that the trustee has
5　authority to replace any existing officer, director, manager
6　or similar person.
7　The Court has found, and the trustee has so
8　convinced Your Honor that Mr. Kwok is the beneficial owner
9　through the trustee's appointment, therefore, that he is now
10　the beneficial owner.
He's so convinced of that that he's
11　seeking to hold Mr. Kwok in contempt for failing to act.
12　This language, the language in paragraph 2 of
13　Exhibit E, the corporate governance order, expressly
14　contemplated what the trustee could do in a situation like
15　this.
16　As the beneficial owner, he could replace any
17　officer, director or like person and he could then direct
18　that person to do whatever he deems appropriate, including,
19　I believe, issue a new share certificate to him as -- or to
20　whoever the shareholder is going to be.
21　Not only would that procedure be more effective,
22　not only would it have been massively simpler than to hold
23　the debtor in contempt for doing something -- not doing
24　something that I think this order doesn't require him to do,
25　in fact, it makes the order -- I'm sorry, when I say this

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 I have told the trustee, I will tell the Court, that the debtor will not object to the trustee doing exactly that, to doing what the corporate governance order expressly contemplates that he has authority to do.

 So that process or that type of procedure is exactly the relief that was requested by the Court and that the Court ordered.

 And the trustee has chosen rather than to pursue that path, which he requested in the court order, to spend a lot of time and money seeking to hold Mr. Kwok in contempt for something that, as I said, I believe the Court order doesn't require and, in fact, that it does require him to do what the trustee is asking is really nonsensical.

 Your Honor, my point three is that again can the trustee or has the trustee shown that there is no fair ground of doubt and quite clear and convincing evidence that the -- that the debtor has failed to comply.

Ho Wan Kwok and Genever Holdings Corp - November 18, 2022 89 And, Your Honor, on my point three, I would ask the courtroom deputy to bring up Exhibit 10. THE COURT: The Trustee's Exhibit 10? MR. HENZY: I'm sorry, Your Honor. I'm sorry. My Exhibit B. I apologize, Your Honor. THE COURT: B, as in boy? MR. HENZY: B, as in boy. THE COURT: Okay. THE COURTROOM DEPUTY: Exhibit B is on the screen. MR. HENZY: Thank you. THE COURT: Exhibit B is there, Attorney Henzy. MR. HENZY: Your Honor, you can review the document, but I'd represent that this is a letter from Mr. Kwok addressed to Yvette Wang, and the letter -- it attaches a share transfer instrument and a written resolution, director resolution, in the form demanded by the trustee, and on that -- right where we are right now, Your Honor, you can see the last clause or the last sentence of that letter states, "Therefore, in compliance with the trustee's demand and to the extent that I may have any authority over Ace Decade I hereby direct you to execute the attached share transfer instrument and share transfer resolution." Your Honor, in his reply that was filed under seal -- and I think I can -- well, in his reply to our objection, Your Honor, the trustee argues that sending this letter to Case 22-50073 Doc 1196 Filed 12/03/22 Entered 12/03/22 11:30:16 Page 89 of

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1　Ms. Wang with the share transfer instrument and the director
2　resolution attached is a litigation tactic.
3　I argue it is not a litigation tactic.
It is an
4　attempt to comply.
5　Contempt -- the purpose of civil contempt, is not
6　to punish, it is to compel compliance.
What Mr. Kwok is
7　trying to do here is comply.
He does not want to have this
8　fight.
9　If the trustee wants a different letter, or if the
10　Court thinks there should be a different letter, then that
11　should be specified.
12　And that goes back to Mr. Kwok needs to know
13　within the four corners of the order that you entered what
14　it is that he is required to do?
15　He has attempted to comply by sending this letter
16　to Ms. Wang.
If there is something else he needs to do, I
17　think it is not specified in the order.
18　And, again, the King case says that what is
19　required has to be in the four corners of an order entered
20　by the Court, and there's nothing in the order that
21　specifically says how Mr. -- it doesn't specifically address
22　this issue; that is, Mr. Kwok as the beneficial owner trying
23　to get a director and nominee shareholder to act at all, but
24　it certainly doesn't specify what exactly the action that he
25　would have to take would be.

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1　I will point out, Your Honor, and if you could --
2　if the courtroom deputy could bring up Exhibits C -- Exhibit
3　C first.
4　THE COURT:
Okay.
Debtor's Exhibit C.
5　THE COURTROOM DEPUTY:
Exhibit C is on the screen.
6　THE COURT:
The share transfer instrument, is that
7　what you're looking at, Attorney Henzy?
8　MR. HENZY:
Yes, Your Honor.
And if you page down
9　-- and I don't -- that's -- maybe page back up a little bit.
10　Thank you.
That's probably great.
11　So, Your Honor, you'll see that that is a share
12　transfer instrument executed by Mr. Kwok.
Your Honor, the
13　trustee's demand was that Mr. Kwok execute a share transfer
14　and director resolution or cause the director and nominee
15　shareholder to do so.
16　I don't believe that anyone has ever claimed, I
17　don't believe the trustee has argued, that Mr. Kwok is, in
18　fact, this nominee shareholder or director, but I had him
19　execute this document anyway.
This is the share transfer
20　agreement.
21　And Exhibit D, Your Honor, if you could bring that
22　up.
23　THE COURT:
Which one now?
Go back to B?
24　MR. HENZY:
Exhibit D as in dog.
25　THE COURT:
Oh, D.
I'm sorry.
Okay.
Debtor's

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1　Exhibit D as in dog.
2　THE COURTROOM DEPUTY:
Exhibit D is on the screen.
3　MR. HENZY:
That is the resolution of sole
4　director, Your Honor.
Again, that's executed by Mr. Kwok.
5　Although, to be very, very clear, no one has ever argued, I
6　don't believe the trustee argues, that Mr. Kwok, in fact, is
7　the director, but that was in the demand letter that the
8　trustee sent.
9　Again, he asked Mr. Kwok to execute a share
10　transfer agreement and a director resolution or cause this
11　nominee shareholder and director to execute such documents.
12　So, again, I had him execute this document so that
13　any claim that he hasn't complied with, the trustee's first
14　demand I think is answered by that.
15　So, again, Your Honor, Mr. Kwok has attempted to
16　comply.
If there is something more that he needs to do, I
17　would ask really the Court to instruct.
18　My last point, Your Honor, is sort of hopelessly
19　tied up with the sealed documents and --
20　THE COURT:
Well, then we're not going to talk
21　about them, that last point, right now, Attorney Henzy.
22　MR. HENZY:
And, Your Honor, the deposition
23　transcript that I am going to be -- ask to be admitted.
24　THE COURT:
I think it already is.
It's been
25　sealed, right, 27?
I think it's been already admitted

Ho Wan Kwok and Genever Holdings Corp - November 18, 2022 93 yesterday. MR. HENZY: No. No. I think Mr. Bassett and I would agree it has not been admitted, Your Honor. It's sealed. And it was identified by the trustee as an exhibit, but it has not been admitted. THE COURT: I thought it was admitted yesterday. MR. BASSETT: Your Honor, it was not admitted yesterday. And I think -- THE COURT: Okay. All right. That's fine. I'm just, you know, trying to keep up. I thought I had made a note about that exhibit, but, in any event, let me see. Oh, you're right. It has not been. All right. Well, we're not going to admit it now. We'll admit it during the portion of the sealed portion of the hearing. So, Attorney -- MS. SMITH: Your Honor, to the -- to the extent that we'll be addressing the deposition transcript, PAX is a party to the protective order and was, in fact -- counsel for PAX was present at the deposition and we would request that we be allowed to participate to the limited extent that it concerns the deposition transcript. THE COURT: We will address that when we come to that issue, but thank you. MS. SMITH: Thank you, Your Honor. Case 22-50073 Doc 1196 Filed 12/03/22 Entered 12/03/22 11:30:16 Page 93 of

Ho Wan Kwok and Genever Holdings Corp - November 18, 2022 94 THE COURT: Attorney Bassett, you were going to respond to Attorney Henzy's arguments about the evidence that is not under seal? MR. BASSETT: Yes. Yes, Your Honor. I will do that, and then obviously save the balance of my remarks for the closed session. So, Your Honor, the first argument that you heard Attorney Henzy make is that as of the entry of the corporate governance order his client has effectively been divested with any corporate authority and, therefore, at this point, is, as Mr. Henzy would have it as a technical matter, incapable of taking action to have transfer of Ace Decade -- to have Ace Decade's ownership rights, control and shares transferred to the estate and to Trustee Despins. That argument, Your Honor, is nonsensical, to put it bluntly, and completely inconsistent not only with the order the Court ordered, the corporate governance rights order, but also, as I said at the outset of my remarks yesterday, a clear command of the Bankruptcy Code and the debtor's duty to cooperate. I'd like to have Exhibit E, and my colleague, Doug Barron, who's on the line, can either put it up or take control of the document, but I'd just like to -- Case 22-50073 Doc 1196 Filed 12/03/22 Entered 12/03/22 11:30:16 Page 94 of

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Ho Wan Kwok and Genever Holdings Corp - November 18, 2022 95 MR. BASSETT: -- to go back -- THE COURT: The courtroom deputy will have to do that first. We have to do this to keep the record clear with regard to the exhibits. MR. BASSETT: Sure. THE COURT: So you'd like the courtroom deputy to pull up the Debtor's Exhibit E, Attorney Bassett? MR. BASSETT: The Debtor's Exhibit E, yes, Your Honor. THE COURTROOM DEPUTY: Exhibit E is on the screen. THE COURT: Okay. It's there now, Attorney Bassett. How do you want to handle that? MR. BASSETT: If control could be passed to my colleague, Mr. Barron, that would be great. THE COURT: We can do that. We're passing control of Exhibit E to trustee's counsel for purposes of this argument right now. MR. BASSETT: Thank you. I'd ask Mr. Barron, once he has control, to go down to I believe it's paragraph 2. I don't know if we are having some technical difficulties here? MR. BARRON: I am. Sorry. I apologize. I'm having a little trouble moving the screen. Here we go. MR. BASSETT: Okay. Thank you. So, Your Honor -- Case 22-50073 Doc 1196 Filed 12/03/22 Entered 12/03/22 11:30:16 Page 95 of
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1　THE COURT:
Okay.
I see paragraph 2.
Go ahead.
2　MR. BASSETT:
Thank you, Your Honor.
3　I think it's telling the way that Attorney Henzy
4　sequenced his argument in talking about the case law that
5　applies to a motion for contempt and then directing the
6　Court to the order that I started my argument with yesterday
7　and that governs this dispute and demonstrates beyond doubt
8　that the debtor is, in fact, in contempt for failing to
9　comply with the order.
10　So what Attorney Henzy said was, you know, an
11　order has to be clear and unambiguous in what it commands
12　for someone to be held in contempt for failing to comply
13　with that order.
14　Your Honor, paragraph 2, as I said yesterday,
15　based on the order that the Court has now entered, based on
16　the debtor abandoning the argument he previously led with in
17　his objection to our motion for contempt that he did not
18　actually own Ace Decade at all, which he's rightfully now
19　abandoned because it has no merit whatsoever as the
20　documents that we presented to the Court made clear,
21　notwithstanding the fact that he made the trustee spend
22　hundreds of thousands of dollars litigating that issue,
23　under paragraph 2 it says the trustee holds all of the
24　debtor's economic and governance rights for the benefit of
25　the estate with respect to the debtor-controlled entities
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1　which includes Ace Decade.
2　Now, what the debtor would have the Court do is
3　stop there and say that's it. The trustee got what he
4　wanted, might have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars in
5　fighting to finally unveil the truth that the debtor does,
6　in fact, own Ace Decade, but now that he has the entity,
7　what else can I do?
Now it's the trustee's problem.
8　But that is not what this order requires and it's
9　not what the Bankruptcy Code requires.
10　If you look at paragraph 3 of this order, Your
11　Honor, again, as I focused the Court to yesterday, it says
12　very clearly, and as unambiguously as possible, that in
13　accordance with Sections 521(a)(3) and 521(a)(4) of the
14　Bankruptcy Code the debtor is hereby directed to cooperate
15　with the trustee as necessary to enable the trustee to
16　perform his duties.
17　Sections 521(a)(3) and (a)(4) of the Bankruptcy
18　Code, Your Honor, are very clear in what they direct.
19　521(a)(3) says that if a trustee has been appointed, the
20　debtor must cooperate with the trustee as necessary to
21　enable the trustee to perform his duties under this title.
22　Section 521(a)(4) says that if a trustee has been appointed,
23　the debtor must surrender to the trustee all property of the
24　estate and recorded information.
25　Your Honor, these provisions of the Bankruptcy
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Ho Wan Kwok and Genever Holdings Corp - November 18, 2022 98 Code and this provision of this order make the abundantly obvious point that the mere transfer as a matter of law of the debtor's property to the trustee upon a bankruptcy filing does not end the debtor's obligation to cooperate with the trustee and take steps necessary to ensure that the trustee is actually able to obtain control of that property, including entities through its acquisition of corporate governance rights.

 That is what the debtor is required to do and that is what he has utterly failed to do.

 The other thing that Mr. Henzy omitted in his argument was the history of how we got here, barely covered the fact that since we filed this motion, they made the completely unsupported argument that the debtor didn't own the entity, notwithstanding the crystal clear evidence to the contrary, which the Court has now entered a finding on, but it also ignores how we got here more broadly in this case.

 Trustee Despins was appointed in July of this year. And as I just showed Your Honor the Bankruptcy Code at that point was very clear in directing what the debtor was required to do thereafter to cooperate with the trustee.

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1　anything else, the debtor refused to cooperate and did
2　everything in his power to make life difficult and expensive
3　for the trustee.
4　The trustee had no choice but to file a corporate
5　governance rights motion seeking relief in the order to make
6　it even more clear than it already was.
We now have that
7　order entered and we are still here.
8　Because notwithstanding the fact that control of
9　Ace Decade should have transferred to the estate, the debtor
10　is not taking action necessary to make that happen.
11　Now, what Attorney Henzy (indiscernible) to in his
12　second argument is the fact that, well, you know, even if
13　the debtor is able, notwithstanding the fact that he no
14　longer technically has the ability to do anything, but even
15　if he did, he's done everything he can do because --
16　And I'd like to ask the courtroom deputy to pull
17　up Exhibit B, the Debtor's Exhibit B, please.
18　THE COURTROOM DEPUTY:
Exhibit B is on the screen.
19　MR. BASSETT:
Thank you very much.
20　And if my colleague, Mr. Barron, could have
21　control, that would be much appreciated.
22　THE COURT:
I think he does already have control.
23　MR. BASSETT:
Okay.
Great.
Sorry.
Thank you,
24　Your Honor.
25　So this letter, Your Honor, which Attorney Henzy

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Ho Wan Kwok and Genever Holdings Corp - November 18, 2022 101 these actions that he doesn't even think he has the ability to request what's he's requesting. The idea that he in good faith believes that she's actually going to comply with that request is simply not -- it's not believable.

 Similarly in the last sentence, to the extent I have any authority. Again, a transparent admission to the recipient of the letter don't do what I'm asking you to do because I don't have the ability to do it.

 Your Honor, this was filed in order to make it seem like the debtor is taking action to comply with his obligation under the corporate governance order and the Bankruptcy Code. Again, we'll get into more testimony about it in the closed session.

 And the share transfer resolution and the director resolution, Attorney Henzy conceded to you in his argument that those were ineffectual because Ms. Wang -- and by the way, Your Honor, the debtor, in his opposition to the motion, again, which led with the now dropped argument that he didn't own Ace Decade, he didn't even mention who the beneficial or nominee or other shareholder of Ace Decade was. That remained a mystery until this letter was entered as an exhibit as far as the debtor is concerned.

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1　of Ace Decade to be transferred to the trustee is simply
2　untrue.
3　Your Honor, before we go into the private session,
4　I just want to wrap things up and recap where we are.
5　What the debtor would ask the Court to do is not
6　there.
And the consequence of that would be for the trustee
7　to have to continue doing what he's had to do since day one
8　in this case, which is scratch and fight and claw and spend
9　a ton of money and unnecessary time and effort to get what
10　he should have as a matter of law.
11　The debtor would have the trustee chase Yvette
12　Wang, to the extent he can even find her, to the BVI or
13　elsewhere, spending hundreds of thousands of dollars trying
14　to compel her to do something that the evidence is very
15　clear the debtor can do.
16　There is no credible argument that the debtor, who
17　has a long relationship with Ms. Wang, has done everything
18　he reasonably is required to do in accordance with the order
19　of this court and his obligations under the Bankruptcy Code
20　to make the transfer of the shares occur and to allow the
21　trustee to have the control that he is entitled to have.
22　Now, I have more comments that go to that and more
23　evidence that supports those points that I will reserve for
24　the private session, but, Your Honor, we think, based on the
25　record relating to this motion, based on the record in this

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1　case, that it is clear the debtor has not complied with the
2　corporate governance rights order, should be held in
3　contempt, and he should be ordered not to take some
4　additional specific action to, oh, you know, revise that
5　letter, which I'm sure is an argument that Mr. Henzy will
6　make to say something slightly different, what the debtor
7　needs to do and what the trustee would ask the Court to do
8　is to compel the debtor to have the shares transferred to
9　the trustee, period.
He has the ability to do that.
10　The Court should set a deadline.
If he doesn't do
11　it by that deadline, and the trustee doesn't have the
12　shares, then the Court should at that point consider what
13　the sanctions are going to be for his continued failure to
14　comply.
And those sanctions are wide ranging in the
15　discretion of the Court and they include confinement.
16　I had a case last year before Judge Sontchi in
17　Delaware, very similar circumstances, exactly, actually a
18　year ago today, Your Honor, November 2021.
The Eagle
19　Hospitality case.
We were debtor's counsel.
We had two
20　former principals of the debtor who were subject to a
21　preliminary injunction order that we entered against them.
22　They were required to provide an accounting, to take public
23　steps to provide information to the debtor.
They repeatedly
24　failed to do that.

We asked the Court to enter an order of contempt

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1　with the consequence of failure to comply being confinement.
2　Judge Sontchi entered an order that gave them two
3　weeks to comply.
If they didn't within those two weeks, the
4　order stated that they would be committed and confined
5　without further notice by order of the sheriff.
6　And what happened?
They complied.
And that, the
7　case reference, for Your Honor, just so you have it, again,
8　as I said, it's the Eagle Hospitality case.
The case number
9　is 21-10036 and the order is at ECF 1686.
10　So, Your Honor, we are really -- and I think, I
11　hope Your Honor is gathering from my comments that we are
12　getting to our wits end with the amount of effort we've had
13　to expend getting simple compliance from this debtor in this
14　case in order for the trustee to exercise his duties that he
15　is tasked with exercising under the Bankruptcy Code.
16　So we would ask that an order be issued finding
17　the debtor in contempt.
18　Again, as I said, I'm happy to address additional
19　points during the closed session.
20　THE COURT:
Okay.
Thank you.
21　Attorney Henzy --
22　MR. HENZY:
May I respond, Your Honor?
23　THE COURT:
-- you have an opportunity to reply
24　and then this will -- then we will be done with the portion
25　of the hearing that will be open to the public.
So go right

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1　ahead.
2　MR. HENZY:
Thank you, Your Honor.
3　Almost the first remark I made, Your Honor, was I
4　understand -- I could not understand that there had been a
5　tremendous amount of activity and dispute in this case.
6　The only thing before the Court today is whether
7　or not the debtor has failed to comply with the corporate
8　governance order.
There is no other part of this case that
9　is relevant to what is before the Court today.
10　I will get to the 521(a)(3) and (4) argument in
11　terms of the debtor's ability -- sort of I'll call it
12　practical ability to comply.
13　But this is important.
This goes to my first
14　argument, Your Honor, about what the corporate governance
15　order says and does.
It states what is the black letter
16　law, which that as of Mr. Despins' appointment he had all
17　corporate governance rights.
18　In terms of the debtor's ability to cooperate
19　under 521(a)(3), a demand by the trustee for cooperation has
20　to be reasonable.
21　What Mr. Despins is positing in this situation
22　where the debtor is -- who Mr. Despins has consistently said
23　is not the beneficial owner upon Mr. Despins' appointment --
24　is going to the director and nominee shareholder and saying
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and telling you to do this.
And under the corporate governance order the
director and nominee shareholder would be well within that
person's right to say what is your authority to be asking me
to do this?
And the answer is that Mr. -- as of Mr. Despins'
appointment Mr. Kwok has no authority according to the
trustee.
He had no authority to direct the director and
nominee shareholder to do anything.
So the 521(a)(3), and I'll get to the second part
of the 521(a)(3) problem, the 521(a)(3) problem is by the
corporate governance order that Mr. Despins asked you to
order, enter, and by the operation of the Bankruptcy Code,
how does Mr. Kwok comply with that?
Does he -- does he use physical force if the
person says, no, I don't think that that is what is -- that
is what is complicated -- contemplated.
Give me one moment, Your Honor.
THE COURT:
Sure.
MR. HENZY:
Mr. Bassett, I think, just passed over
my second argument.
And, you know, I don't know that anybody is going
to feel sorry for me if I'm at my wits end, but my
consistent position or my consistent belief here, Your
Honor, has been this is -- this has been a waste of time.

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1　The corporate governance order is clear what Mr.
2　Despins could have done here.
He had the authority under
3　that order to replace the director and nominee shareholder
4　and to take whatever corporate action he wanted to take.
5　That would have been fast.
It would have been cheap.
It
6　would have been easy.
7　As I've said, the debtor will not object to that.
8　The debtor never would have objected to that.
9　If Mr. Despins wants to have -- wanted to or wants
10　to have that blessed by the Court, he can do that.
11　I don't know why we've had to have this fight.
12　This is distinguishable.
And, again, this goes to
13　my argument, Your Honor, that if you're going to read into
14　this order what the trustee is asking you to read into the
15　order, then I think the order is ambiguous.
16　And I haven't seen Judge Sontchi's order, but just
17　from what Mr. Bassett said, this is not a case where you
18　ordered -- you ordered Mr. Kwok to provide an accounting.
19　This is -- this is an order where you said the
20　trustee has all corporate governance rights of any debtor
21　controlled entity, and you ordered Mr. Kwok to cooperate.
22　This is not something where you specifically said
23　something like provide an accounting.
You didn't
24　specifically say here, notwithstanding that you are not the
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1　take corporate action when you -- will not just enter an
2　order that says you have no corporate authority.
3　The 521(a)(3) language, Your Honor, in the order,
4　it says, as Mr. Bassett quoted, as necessary to perform
5　trustee's duties.
And that's from the code.
6　And, again, the argument is this was -- this was
7　not necessary for the trustee to perform the trustee's
8　duties.
What the trustee could have done very easily and
9　quickly and cheaply was simply to take corporate action by
10　himself.
That was expressly provided for in the corporate
11　governance order.
12　Your Honor, I'll say again, if -- and this, you
13　know, we'll get to the 521(a)(3) argument in terms of what
14　Mr. Kwok can or can't do.
He can't use physical force.
15　If there's a communication that the trustee or the
16　Court thinks is necessary to send, then I would like to be
17　told that, what it is, because right now I don't know what
18　it is that would satisfy the trustee or from the Court's
19　perspective the order entered by the Court.
20　And, you know, within reason, Mr. Kwok is going to
21　do what the Court specifically orders him to do.
That's
22　all, Your Honor.
23　THE COURT:
Okay.
Thank you.
All right.
24　With regard to the continuation of the hearing
25　that will be under seal, Attorney Bassett and Attorney

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1　Linsey, your motion for seal talked about certain parties

2　being able to see the information even under seal because of
3　the protective order and all those parties being bound by
4　the protective order.
So the trustee, the debtor, PAX, the
5　committee and the United States Trustee are all bound by the

 MR. LINSEY: Yes, Your Honor. Solely with respect to the Kwok deposition transcript.

protective order. Is that accurate?

 THE COURT: What about the other documents then? MR. LINSEY: The other documents can only be available to the Court, the debtor and the trustee.

 THE COURT: So we're going to have to break down the session into two sessions. We're going to have to deal with the deposition transcript separate and apart from all the other exhibits. Is that correct?

 MR. LINSEY: Yes, Your Honor. I apologize. I know it's inconvenient. It is -- THE COURT: Oh, that's --

 MR. LINSEY: -- unfortunately just a creature -- THE COURT: That's what I --

 MR. LINSEY: -- of what we're dealing with. THE COURT: That's what I envisioned, but I needed -- I need you to, as you just have, articulate that for the record.
MR. LINSEY: Thank you, Your Honor.

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1　THE COURT:
I mean, that's what I had -- you're
2　breaking -- it's breaking down into the parties who are
3　bound by the protective order can see the deposition
4　transcript.
But no one other than the debtor and the
5　trustee can argue about the other documents that are under
6　seal because they subject to the attorney-client privilege
7　and the work product doctrine?
8　MR. LINSEY:
Correct, Your Honor.
9　THE COURT:
Okay.
10　MR. HENZY:
And, Your Honor, practically I don't
11　know how that's going to work, Your Honor, because I don't
12　know how I'm going to try to pull the pieces of the argument
13　apart to make reference to parts that are under seal as
14　attorney-client privilege versus not under seal as attorney
15　client privilege.
16　THE COURT:
Well, I'll tell you how it's going to
17　work.
We're going to limit the discussion with everyone
18　else in the room to the deposition transcript and then we're
19　going to break again and you're going to talk about the
20　sealed exhibits.
That's how it's going to work.
21　MR. HENZY:
Very well, Your Honor.
22　THE COURT:
Okay?
So what we're going to do now
23　then is we will take a recess until 3:00 p.m.
24　And the hearing will reconvene to address solely
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1　is the deposition of Mr. Kwok that was conducted last Friday
2　I believe.
3　And the parties that will be able to be in that
4　portion of the hearing are the parties bound by the
5　protective order, that have all signed onto the protective
6　order, that I already mentioned on the record, which is the
7　debtor, the trustee, the U.S. Trustee, PAX and the
8　committee.
9　Okay.
Court is in recess until 3:00 p.m.
10　(Recess from 2:42 p.m. until 3:14 p.m.)
11　THE COURTROOM DEPUTY:
Court is in sessions after
12　recess.
13　THE COURT:
Okay.
Good afternoon.
In accordance
14　with the order that was read into the record during this
15　hearing today granting the trustee's motion to dismiss, the
16　trustee's motion to seal, excuse me, I looked at something
17　that says dismissed on it when I was saying that, I
18　apologize, this portion of the hearing will be under seal
19　and the parties that are able to attend this portion of the
20　hearing are the trustee, the debtor, the United States
21　Trustee and Pax.
22　Have I forgotten anyone?
I see no one else
23　participating in the hearing looking at the screen other
24　than those parties.
Oh, except Mr. Wolman.
I don't know
25　why Mr. Wolman is still here because he's not one of those

Ho Wan Kwok and Genever Holdings Corp - November 18, 2022 112 parties. THE COURTROOM DEPUTY: I can put him in the waiting room and I will do that now. THE COURT: Okay. MR. KAPLAN: And, Your Honor, I believe the committee. I not sure if you said us, but I think we were included in that. THE COURT: I might not have said that, Attorney Kaplan, so you're right to make sure I did because the committee is one of the parties. I did say that before the recess, but I didn't just say that. So thank you. Okay. So we are going to only address -- oh, I'm sorry, go ahead. THE COURTROOM DEPUTY: Am I sealing the recording? THE COURT: You're sealing the recording as well, yes. THE COURTROOM DEPUTY: Okay. I will. THE COURT: This is going to be a sealed portion of this hearing. (Audio portion from 3:15 p.m. until 4:04 p.m. sealed.) Case 22-50073 Doc 1196 Filed 12/03/22 Entered 12/03/22 11:30:16 Page 112 of

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1　I, CHRISTINE FIORE, Certified Electronic Court
2　Reporter and Transcriber, certify that the foregoing is a
3　correct transcript from the official electronic sound
4　recording of the proceedings in the above-entitled matter.

7　December 2, 2022
8　Christine Fiore, CERT

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1　INDEX
2　Page
3　TRUSTEE'S EXHIBITS:
4　32　Declaration of Guo Wengui in Wengui v. Li　51
5　33　Letter from Wedlake Bell LLP to Paul Hastings　51
6　dated November 3, 2022 concerning Ace Decade
7　Holdings Limited and Dawn State Limited

9　DEBTOR'S EXHIBITS:
10　B　November 10, 2022 letter from the Debtor to　62
11　the director and nominee shareholder of
12　Ace Decade Holdings Limited with attached
13　Share Transfer Instrument and Share
14　Transfer Resolution
15　C　Ace Decade Holdings Limited Share Transfer　62
16　Instrument signed by the Debtor
17　D　Ace Decade Holdings Limited Share Transfer　62
18　Resolution signed by the Debtor
19　E　Order Pursuant to Bankruptcy Code Sections　62
20　363, 521, 1108, and 1505, (A) Confirming that
21　Chapter 11 Trustee holds all of the Debtor's
22　Economic and Corporate Governance Rights in
23　Debtor-Controlled Entities, (B) Authorizing
24　Chapter 11 Trustee to act in any foreign country on
25　behalf of Estate, and, (C) Granting related relief.

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2　Page
3　DEBTOR'S EXHIBITS (Continued):
4　G　Motion of Chapter 11 Trustee for Entry of　62
5　Order, Pursuant to Bankruptcy Code Sections
6　363, 521, 1108, and 1505, (A) Confirming that
7　Chapter 11 Trustee holds all of the Debtor's
8　Economic and Corporate Governance Rights in
9　Debtor-Controlled Entities, (B) Authorizing
10　Chapter 11 Trustee to act in any foreign
11　country on behalf of Estate, and,
12　(C) Granting related relief.
13　H　August 1, 2022 Hearing Transcript excerpts,　65
14　page 118, line
13, and page 121, lines 13
15　through 25
16　I　August 4, 2022 Hearing Transcript excerpts,　66
17　page 17, lines 15 through 17
18　August 4, 2022 Hearing Transcript excerpts,　79
19　page 64, line 14, and lines 19 through 22