--- type: court_doc id: "court_ctb_250_15" court: "CTB" case_no: "22-50073" doc_number: 250 doc_type: "EXHIBIT" filed_date: "2013-11-14" lang: "en" machine_translated: false url: "https://mubeitech.com/en/court/court_ctb_250_15" json_url: "https://mubeitech.com/api/court/court_ctb_250_15" --- # Guo Wengui / Miles Guo — bankruptcy case · EXHIBIT · ECF #250-15 EXHIBIT PAX 15 Transcript of the April 12, 2022 Deposition of Yvette Wang 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 In re: UNITED STATES BANKRUPTCY COURT DISTRICT OF CONNECTICUT BRIDGEPORT DIVISION )Case No. ) 22-50073- (JAM) Ho Wan Kwok, Debtor. REMOTE VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION OF (30(b) (6) CORPORATE REPRESENTATIVE YAN PING WANG Tuesday, April 12, 2022 New York, New York Reported by: B. Suzanne Hull, CSR No. 13495 Page 1 5 HoWanKwok: By MR. BENNETT S. SILVERBERG Alliance Asia By MR. DAVID V. HARBACH II New York, New York 10036 15 By MR. STUART M. SARNOFF 1 APPEARANCES 1 INDEX 2 Golden Spring By MR. SCOTT D. ROSEN 22 three pages 22 (New York) Limited: Attorney at Law 3 2 4 For the Debtor Brown Rudnick 3 EXAMINATION BY PAGE MR. KENNETH AULET 4 6Attorneys at Law 5 MR.HARBACH 10 Times Sqill!Ie Tower 7 7 Times Square 6 New York, New York 10036 8 (212) 209-4924 7 (212) 209-4950 8 9 bsilverberg@brownrudnick.com kaulet@brownrudnick.com 9 EXHIBITS 10 11 For Creditor Pacific O'Melveny & Myers 10 11 EXHIBIT DESCRIPTION PAGE 12 Opporhmity Fund, Attorney at Law L.P.. 1625 Eye Street NW 12 Exhibit 1 - Transcript of testimony of 19 13 Washington, DC 20006 (202) 383-5127 13 Yan Ping Wang, taken 14 dharbach@omrn.com - and- 14 October 11, 2018, forty-two MS. 15 AISLING MURRAY pages 16 Attorneys at Law 16 Times Square Tower Exhibit 2 - Trial transcript, dated 28 17 7 Times Square 17 April 26, 2019, one hundred 18 (212) 326-2293 18 twenty-five pages (212) 728-5831 19 Exhibit 3 - Director and officer register, 43 19 ssamoff@omm.com amurray@ornrn.com 20 Golden Spring (New York) 20 21 For Creditor Cohn Birnbaum Shea 21 Limited, Delaware Coiporation, (860) 493-2220　24　dated November 14, 2013, three 25　srosen@cbshealaw.com　25　pages Page 2　Page 4 1　APPEARANCES (Continued)　1　EXHIBITS (Continued) 2　2 EXHIBIT DESCRIPTION　PAGE United States Department of 4 For United States　3 Exhibit 5 - Exhibit B, Golden Spring　166 5　Justice Trustee: By MS. HOLLEY L. CLAIBORN　4　(New York)'s Delaware Attorney at Law　5　certificate of incoiporation 6　1100 L Street NW　6　and certificate of revival, Room 12210　7　dated March 10, 2015, five 7　Washington, DC 20005 (202) 514-2000　8　pages 8　holley.l.claiborn@usdoj.gov　9 Exhibit 6 - Pacific Alliance Asia　209 9　10 For the Committee on Pullman & Comley　10　Opportunity Fund L.P. 's notice Secured Creditors: By MR. JONATHAN KAPLAN　11　of deposition of Golden Spring 11　Attorney at Law　12　(New York) Limited pursuant to 90 State House Square 12　Hartford, Connecticut 06103　13　Rule 30(b )(6) of the Federal (860) 424-4379　14　Rules of Civil Procedure, 13　jkaplan@pullcom.com　15　dated March 29, 2022, seven 14　16　pages 15　16 The Videographer: Jeffrey Nichols　17 17 The Interpreter: Sunny Johnston (Mandarin) Una Wilkinson (Mandarin) 18 The Check　18 Interpreter:　19 19　20 Also Present: Makenzie Russo　21 20　22 23　23 24　24 25　25 Page 3　Page 5 100 Pearl Street 23 Exhibit 4 - Affidavit of Yan Ping Wang, 55 23 Hartford, Connecticut 06103 2 (Pages 2 - 5) 1 QUESTIONS INSTRUCTED NOT TO　1　MR. ROSEN: Good morning. 09:16:24 2 ANSWER:　2　Scott Rosen, Cohn Birnbaum & Shea, 09:16:24 3　Page 36 Line 18　3 representing Golden Spring (New York). 09: 16:28 4　Page 3 7 Line 25　4　MR. KAPLAN: Jonathan Kaplan, 09: 16:36 5　Page 41 Line 16　5 Pullman & Comley, representing the Committee of 09:16:36 6　Page 65 Line 9　6 Unsecured Creditors. 09:16:40 7　Page 126 Line 20　7　MR. AULET: Kenneth Aulet, of Brown Rudnick, 09:16:40 8　Page 128 Line 18　8 representing the debtor, Ho Wan Kwok. 09: 16:43 9　Page 13 0 Line 2　9　MR. SIL VER.BERG: Bennett Silverberg, 09:16:46 10　Page 150 Line 5　10 Brown Rudnick, representing the debtor. 09: 16:49 11　Page 157 Line 17　11　MS. RUSSO: Makenzie Russo, with 09:16:52 12　12 O'Melveny & Myers, representing Pacific Alliance. 09: 16:56 13　13　MR. SARNOFF: Stuart Sarnoff, 09:16:57 14　14 Pacific Alliance. 09:17:02 15　15　MS. CLAIBORN: And I am Holley Claiborn, for 09:17:02 16　16 the U.S. Trustee. 09:17:04 17　17　THE VIDEOGRAPHER: Thank you. 09: 17:05 18　18　Will the court reporter please swear in both 09: 17:06 19　19 interpreters and then the witness. 09:17:09 20　20　THE REPORTER: Raise your right hand, 09: 17:14 21　21 please. 09:17:15 22　22 23　23　SUNNY JOHNSTON, 24　24 having been called as an interpreter to interpret 25　25 English into Mandarin and Mandarin into English, was Page 6　Page 8 I　New York, New York　I duly sworn to interpret the proceedings to the best 2　Tuesday, April 12, 2022; 9:15 a.m.　2 of her abilities and interpreted as follows: 3　162 East 64th Street　3　09:17:20 4　4　THE INTERPRETER: Yes, I do. 09:17:20 5　THE VIDEOGRAPHER: Good morning.　5　THE REPORTER: Raise your right hand, 09: 17:25 6　We are going on the record at 9: 15 a.m. on 09:15:21　6 please, Check Interpreter. 09:17:27 7 April 12th, 2022. 09:15:25　7 8　This is media unit one of the video-recorded 09: 15:27　8　UNA WILKINSON, 9 deposition of Yvette Wang as a 30(b)(6) witness for 09: 15:31　9 having been called as an interpreter to interpret 10 Golden Spring (New York), taken by 09:15:37　10 English into Mandarin and Mandarin into English, was II Creditor Pacific Alliance In Re: Ho Wan Kwok, filed 09:15:39　11 duly sworn to interpret the proceedings to the best 12 in the United States Bankruptcy Court, District of 09: 15:42　12 of her abilities and interpreted as follows: 13 Connecticut, Bridgeport Division. The case number is 09:15:47　13　09:17:42 14 22-50073 (JAM). 09:15:49　14　THE CHECK INTERPRETER: Yes, I do. 09:17:42 15　This deposition is being held virtually via 09: 15 :50　15　THE REPORTER: Raise your right hand please, 16 Zoom. 09: 15:57　16 Witness. 17　My name is Jeff Nichols, from the firm 09: 15:57　17 18 Veritext Legal Solutions, and I am the videographer. 09:15:59　18　YAN PING WANG, 19 The court reporter is Suzanne Hull, from the firm 09: 16:02　19 called as a 30(b)(6) Corporate Representative by 20 Veritext Legal Solutions. 09:16:06　20 counsel for Creditor Pacific Alliance Asia 21　Counsel will now please state their 09:16:07　21 Opportunity Fund, L.P., being first duly sworn, 22 appearances and affiliations for the record. 09:16:10　22 testified as follows: 23　MR. HARBACH: Good morning. 09:16:14　23　09: 17:59 24　I'm David Harbach, with O'Melveny & Myers, 09:16:15　24　THE WITNESS: Yes. 09:17:59 25 and I represent Pacific Alliance. 09:16:19　25　THE REPORTER: Okay. State credentials, 09:18:02 Page 7　Page 9 3 (Pages 6 - 9) 1 please. 09: 18:06　Q. Okay. Super. 09:21: 13 2　THE INTERPRETER: Yes. 09:18:08　2　So if you would, please wait for me to 09:21: 18 3　Good morning, everyone. 09: 18:09　3 fmish my question before you start answering, and 09:21:21 4　Court certified Mandarin interpreter, 09: 18: 10　4 I'll do my best to wait for you to stop speaking 09:21:24 5 California State Certified Interpreter 09: 18: 13　5 before I ask my next question. 09:21:28 6 Sunny Johnston. Certification number is 301314. 09:18:14　6　Okay? 09:21:30 7　THE REPORTER: Check Interpreter, 09:18:18　7　A. Yes, sir. 09:21:31 8 credentials, please. 09:18:22　8　Thank you. 09:21:33 9　THE CHECK INTERPRETER: I am the check 09:18:25　9　Q. Okay. Super. 09:21:33 10 interpreter for Mandarin and English, and 09: 18:26　10　And as I said a moment ago, if there is 09:21:35 11 a court-certified interpreter for the Unified Court 09: 18:29　11 a question that you do not understand, please just 09:21:40 12 System in New York state. 09: 18:33　12 let me know, and I'm happy to try and rephrase it. 09:21:43 13　THE REPORTER: Thank you. 09:18:36　13 And if there is a question that you would prefer be 09:21:48 14　THE VIDEOGRAPHER: Thank you. 09:18:37　14 translated in order to answer it, that is no problem. 09:21:52 15　You may proceed, Counsel. 09:18:37　15 That is what Ms. Johnston is here for. 09:21:56 16　09:18:37　16　Okay? 09:21:59 17　EXAMINATION 09: 18:40　17　A. Yes, sir. 09:22:00 18 BY MR. HARBACH: 09: 18:40　18　Thank you. 09:22:02 19　Q. Good morning, Ms. Wang. 09:18:41　19　Q. Okay. Are you on any medication or -- 09:22:02 20　My name is David Harbach, as you just heard. 09:18:44　20　MR. ROSEN: Counsel, before we start, 09:22: 11 21　And a couple housekeeping matters before we 09: 18:50　21 stipulations as to objections and signing. 09:22: 13 22 get started. 09: 18:53　22　What is your preference? 09:22: 18 23　Are you able to hear -- are you able to hear 09: 18:54　23　MR. HARBACH: I'm not sure I understand, 09:22:20 24 me okay? 09:18:55　24 Scott. 09:22:22 25　A. Yes. 09: 19:09 Page 10　25　MR. ROSEN: The usual stipulations? All 09:22:24 I　I can hear you clearly. 09: 19: 10　I objections reserved to trial except for form? 09:22:27 2　Q. I'm aware that you had given depositions in 09: 19: 12　2　MR. HARBACH: Yeah. That's okay with me. 09:22:32 3 the past in English. 09:19: 15　3　MR. ROSEN: Okay. The witness is not going 09:22:36 4　Would you be comfortable proceeding in 09:19:18　4 to waive tbe signing and reading of the transcript. 09:22:38 5 English today? 09: 19:21　5　MR. HARBACH: I didn't hear you, Scott. 09:22:42 6　A. Okay. My mother tongue is not English, but 09: 19:37　6　Could you please speak up? 09:22:44 7 I can try to go through the deposition in English; 09: 19:54　7　MR. ROSEN: Yes. 09:22:46 8 however, I do need the interpreter stand by in case 09: 19:57　8　The witness will not waive the signing and 09:22:46 9 I don't understand anything. 09:20:00　9 reading of the transcript. 09:22:49 10　Q. That -- that sounds perfect, and that is 09:20:02　10　MR. HARBACH: Okay. Understood. 09:22:50 11 just fine with us; so we can proceed in English. And 09:20:05 12 if you have a question or you would like a question 09:20: 10　12　11 BY MR. HARBACH: 09:22:58 Q. Ms. Wang,Iwasjustabouttoaskyouifyou 09:22:58 13 translated into Mandarin or if you would like an 09:20: 13　13 are on any medication or under the influence of 09:23:01 14 answer translated into Mandarin, please just say so, 09:20:20　09:23:05 15 and Ms. Johnston can help. 09:20:24　14 any- -- an1thing that might impair your memory or 15 interfere with your ability to answer questions 09:23:09 16　Is that acceptable to you? 09:20:27　16 truthfully. 09:23:12 17　A. Okay. Yes. 09:20:30　17　A. No. 09:23: 15 18　Thank you. 09:20:52　18　Q. Is there any reason you can think of why you 09:23: 17 19　Q. Okay. Very good. 09:20:52　19 cannot provide truthful testimony today? 09:23 :20 20　And just a few more things. Because we are 09:20:56　20　A. I don't think there is any reason, sir. 09:23 :24 21 doing this deposition remotely, it is very important 09:20:59　21　Q. Okay. Super. 09:23:29 22 for the court reporter that only one person be 09:21:03　22　I believe you have been deposed at least 09:23:30 23 speaking at a time. 09:21:08　23 once before in October of2018 in litigation 09:23:37 25　Do you understand? 09:21 :09 A. (In English) Yes, Ido. Yeah. 09:21:12　25　24 involvingPAX. 09:23:44 Do you recall that deposition? 09:23:46 4 (Pages 10 - 13) A. I remember I was deposed before, but I don't 09:23 :48　A. Correct. 09:26:51 I 2 recollect the -- the dates -- the precise dates. 09:23:56　Q. Did you meet with them in person to do that 09:26:52 Q. Understand. 09:23:59 3　3 preparation? 09:26:56 Other than that deposition where PAX 09:24:00 4　A. No. 09:26:57 5 examined you, have you been deposed in any other 09:24:09　Due to COVID, I meet our counsels via -- via 09:26:59 6 litigation since then? 09:24: 13　6 video call. 09:27:07 A. Sir, since -- since then? You mean since 09:24: 15 7　Q. Thank you. 09:27:08 8 when? 09:24:19　8 Did you have communications with anyone else 09:27:08 Q. Well, I'll represent to you that the 09:24:20 9　9 at Golden Spring -- via telephone, videoconference, 09:27: 11 10 deposition that PAX conducted of you was in October 09:24:23　10 or otherwise -- to prepare for today's deposition? 09:27: 17 11 of2018. 09:24:26　MR. ROSEN: Objection. 09:27:24 And my question is have you been deposed 09:24:30　12 The witness can answer without disclosing 09:27:25 13 since then? 09:24:33　13 any conversations with either inhouse counsel or 09:27:28 A. I believe so. 09:24:34　14 outside counsel. 09:27:32 Q. And do you recall when? 09:24:37 15　THE WITNESS: Sir, sorry. 09:27:36 A. I don't recall. 09:24:44 16　16 Can you repeat your question? 09:27:37 Q. In what proceeding? 09:24:45　17 BY MR. HARBACH: 09:27:40 A. It was in a case called Strategic Vision, 09:24:49 18　Q. Yes. 09:27:41 19 Eastern Profits -- or Eastern Profits, Strategic 09:24:57　It was a yes-or-no question that did not 09:27:41 20 Vision. It should be the same case. 09:25 :02　20 call for any -- any privileged information. 09:27:43 Q. Okay. And in -- in what course is that 09:25:04 21　The question is did you meet with any 09:27:46 22 case, if you know? 09:25:07　22 personnel at Golden Spring -- via telephone, Zoom, 09:27:50 A. In a court in New York. 09:25:08　23 videoconference or otherwise -- to prepare for your 09:27:57 Q. Okay. Any other depositions, besides that 09:25:11　24 deposition today? 09:28:01 25 one, since October of2018? 09:25:20　25 A. Yes, I did. 09:28:01 Page 14　Page 16 A. Hmmm. No. 09:25:25 1　Q. With whom did you communicate at 09:28:05 Q. Do you understand that you are here today as 09:25:27 2　2 Golden Spring to prepare for your deposition today? 09:28:08 3 a corporate representative of Golden Spring 09:25:35　A. I communicated with the owner of 09:28: 11 4 (New York)? 09:25:40　4 Golden Spring (New York) Limited, Mr. Qiang Guo. Let 09:28:U A. Yes, I do. 09:25:40　5 me spell, Q-i-a-n-g, last name G-u-o. 09:28:25 Q. Did you review the topics that we intend to 09:25:42　6 Q. How much time did you spend communicating 09:28:32 7 cover with you today that were contained in the 09:25:48　7 with him? 09:28:37 8 deposition notice before your testimony today? 09:25:51　8 A. How much time? Like, ten fifteen -- about, 09:28:38 A. Yes. 09:25:55　9 like, fifteen minutes -- ten, fifteen minutes. 09:28:49 I did review the topics. 09:25:59 10　10 Q. Is there anyone else at Golden Spring with 09:28:52 Q. Okay. What did you do to prepare -- excuse 09:26:01 11　11 whom you communicated to prepare for today's 09:28:55 12 me -- prepare for your deposition today, generally 09:26:05　12 deposition? 09:28:57 13 speaking? 09:26:08　A. No. 09:28:57 A. I prepared with our law firm -- with our 09:26:09　14 Q. Is there anyone else in the world, other 09:28:58 15 attorneys. 09:26:15　15 than attorneys, with whom you communicated to prepare 09:29:01 Q. Okay. Did you review documents? 09:26:16　16 for today's deposition? 09:29:05 A. Yes. 09:26:21　17 A. No. 09:29:07 I did review documents. 09:26:22 18　Q. What is the name of -- withdrawn. 09:29:09 Q. Did you meet with any other personnel at 09:26:24　19 A moment ago, when you said you met with 09:29:26 20 Golden Spring to prepare for your deposition today? 09:26:29　20 lawyers to prepare for today's deposition, lawyers 09:29:29 A. Meet -- I'm sorry. 09:26:32 21　21 from which firm or firms? 09:29:35 What do you mean? You mean meet in person? 09:26:38　22 A. Attorneys from Mr. Scott Rosen's firm. 09:29:37 23 What do you mean, meet? 09:26:41　23 I couldn't pronounce his law firm's name. It should 09:29:45 Q. Well, a moment ago you said that the law 09:26:43 25 firm assisted you in preparing for today. 09:26:49　24 be -- I mean, it is complicated for me to pronounce 09:29:49 25 his law firm's name; so Mr. Scott Rosen and his 09:29:55 5 (Pages 14 - 17) I colleague, Mr. Timothy -- Tim. 09:29:59　1 the -- the second one that says deposition of 09:35:07 Q. Tim Miltenberger? 09:30:01　2 Yvette Wang. 09:35:11 A I believe so. I don't remember his last 09:30:05　MR. ROSEN: Counsel, before you proceed with 09:35: 11 4 name It sounds like it correct. 09:30:07　4 the question, could you please explain to me which of 09:35: 13 Q. Okay. Did you meet or consult with any 09:30:09　5 the 30(b )(6) topics this document pertains to. 09:35:17 6 lawyers from the Brown Rudnick firm to prepare for 09:30: 13　MR. HARBACH: Well, it could be -- it could 09:35:23 7 today's deposition? 09:30:23　7 be any number of them because the document is the 09:35:25 A No, I didn't 09:30:24　8 transcript of her prior deposition; so it will be 09:35:29 Q. When was Golden Spring (New York)Limited 09:30:27　9 multiple such topics. 09:35:33 10 formed? 09:30:40　10 MR. ROSEN: I'll reserve the right to object 09:35:36 II A Golden Spring (New York) Limited was formed 09:30:40　11 and instruct the witness not to answer if it exceeds 09:35:38 12 in the year of 2015. 09:30:45　12 the scope of the 30(b )(6). 09:35:42 Q. Does March 2015 sound about right to you? 09:30:47　But go ahead and proceed. 09:35:43 A In March, yes. 09:30:54　14 MR. HARBACH: Understood. 09:35:46 Q. What is Golden Spring (New York)'s 09 30.59 15　15 Is there anyone who can't see the exhibit in 09:35:49 09:31 :03 16 relationship to Golden Spring (Hong Kong)?　16 their marked exhibits folder before I go on? 09:35:51 17 BY MR. HARBACH: 09:35:59 A Golden Spring (New York) Limited is 09.3109 18 100 percent owned by China Golden Spring (Hong Kong). 09 :31 : 15　18 Q. Okay. Ms. Wang, can you see it? 09:36:00 A. Sir, I can see a .pd- -- it says .pdffile 09:36:03 Q. And for purposes of today's deposition, I'm 09:31 :21 20 going to refer to China Golden Spring (Hong Kong) as 09:31 :27　20 with forty-two pages. 09:36:07 21 just Golden Spring (Hong Kong). 09:31 :33　21 Q. You got it? 09:36:09 Is that okay with you? 09:31 :36　22 A. This is the one? 09:36: 11 A Yes. 09:31 :37 23　23 Gotit. Okay. 09:36: 12 Q. Okay. Did you ever work at Golden Spring 09:31 :39　24 Q. Yes, ma'am. 09:36: 13 25 (Hong Kong)? 09:31 :45 Page 18　25 Please open that one up. 09:36:15 A Yes. 09:31 :49　1 A. (Witness complies.) 09:36:18 Q. Do you recall when you worked there? 09:31 :50　2 Yes. 09:36: 18 A That was back to 2016 for, like, a couple of 09:31:53 3　Q. So just to refresh your recollection before 09:36: 19 4 months. 09:32:05　4 I proceed, the question I put to you concerned the 09:36:22 Q. Okay. I would like to show you what I'm 09:32:07　5 dates that you worked at Golden Spring (Hong Kong). 09:36:25 6 going to mark as Exhibit 1. 09:32:22　6 And I believe you said that it was approximately 09:36:31 (Deposition Exhibit Number 1 09:32:29　7 2016. And I just want to show you in the deposition 09:36:36 was marked for identification.) 09:32:29　8 in 2018 where you were asked about this. Let me read 09:36:42 MR. HARBACH: And we'll just wait a moment 09:32:32 9　9 what you said, and then ask the question again. 09:36:49 10 for my colleague to drop it in there. Just sit 09:32:34　10 So I -- can I direct your attention to page 09:36:52 11 tight, everybody. It will be there in a second. 09:32:56　11 thirty of the transcript. 09:36:55 12 Sorry for the delay. We are working on it. It seems 09:33: 17　12 A. (Witness complies.) 09:37:00 13 to be a little slow. It is uploading now. 09:33:30　Q. Let me know when you are there. 09:37:02 Ms. Russo is telling me it should be in 09:34:30　14 A. Page thirty, three, zero, sir; right? 09:37:09 15 there, but I don't see it in my marked exhibits 09:34:33　Q. Yes,ma'am. That is right. 09:37:15 16 folder. 09:34:37　And it is the -- you know, page thirty of 09:37: 18 Does anyone else? 09:34:38　17 the miniature pages. 09:37:21 MR. KAPLAN: There -- there are two folders. 09:34:42 18　Do you see how each of the miniature pages 09:37:23 19 It looks like it is in the second one. 09:34:45　19 is numbered? 09:37:26 MR. HARBACH: Okay. Got it. 09:34:57　20 A. I am on page thirty. 09:37:30 MR. ROSEN: Counsel-- 09:34:59 21　What do you mean, miniature pages? I don't 09:37:33 MR. HARBACH: That seems -- 09:35:00　22 understand that. 09:37:38 MR. ROSEN: -- before we -- 09:35:00　Q. Well, each-- sure. 09:37:39 MR. HARBACH: That seems to be the way it is 09:35:02 25 on -- on my computer. It is in the second one in 09:35:05　Each page of the document that I just sent 09:37:41 25 you has four pages of the transcript on it. 09:37:44 6 (Pages 18 - 21) Do you see that? 09:37:47 1 from 2018, I believe; so before that I don't believe 09:40:44 A. Yes. 09:37:48 2　2 I work for Golden Spring (New York). Technically, 09:40:52 Q. Okay. So those are the page numbers that 09:37:48 3　3 I work for Golden Spring (Hong Kong) and -- which 09:40:56 4 I am referring to. And on page thirty, at line ten, 09:37:52　4 include the time of the 2016, when I revert because 09:41:01 5 you were asked a question that reads: 09:38:03　5 2015 -- 2016 I revert. 2016, that is a more 09:41:06 "QUESTION: Then you moved to Hong Kong 09:38:05　6 consecutive period of time for me to base in 09:41 :12 in 2015 to work in September of2015 to work 09:38:07　7 Hong Kong; so besides that, I traveled between 09:41:16 for Golden Spring (Hong Kong)?" 09:38: 13　8 Hong Kong/U.S. 09:41:20 And your answer was: 09:38:18　Q. Okay. Solthinkiunderstandyou,but 09:41:22 "ANSWER: Yes." 09:38:19 10　10 I want to make sure. 09:41:25 Do you see that there? 09:38:21 11　In approximately 2015 you started working 09:41 :28 A. Sir, which page? It is page thirty, but 09:38:23 12　12 for Golden Spring (Hong Kong), and you worked for 09:41:33 13 there are four -- four little page number. 09:38:26　13 Golden Spring (Hong Kong) until sometime in 2018, at 09:41:40 Q. For-- 09:38:31　14 which point you began working for Golden Spring 09:41:46 A. I'm not sure which one. 09:38:32 15　15 (New York). 09:41:49 Q. Right. 09:38:34 16　16 Do I have that right? 09:41:49 A. Is it Page 113 or 14, 15 or 16 9 Which one 09:38:35　17 A. I officially started to work for 09:41:53 18 you are talking about? 09:38:39　18 Golden Spring (New York) from 2018, yes. You are 09:41:57 Q. I understand. I understand your confusion. 09:38:41 19　19 correct on that. 09:42:03 When I refer to page numbers of this 09:38:44　20 Q. Okay. And prior to that, you worked for 09:42:04 21 transcript, I am only talking about the pages -- the 09:38:46　21 Golden Spring (Hong Kong); is that correct? 09:42: 10 22 page numbers for the small pages. 09:38:51　22 A. I believe it is more a mix because I was 09:42:14 A. Oh. 09:38:53　23 working for Golden Spring (Hong Kong) and same time 09:42:20 Q. Okay? 09:38:54　24 I was working for Mr. Qiang Guo, his family business 09:42:23 And I know it is confusing. I'm sorry. 09:38:57　25 in China also; so that is the reason when I referred 09:42:29 Page 22　Page 24 A. All right. Let me go back and find it. 09:38:59　I I was in Hong Kong in 2016. That is a -- as I said, 09 :42 :33 Q. Yeah. Go back to page thirty of the little 09:39:01　2 a penod of consecutive time for me to -- leaving 09·42 ·42 3 pages. 09:39:04　3 Hong Kong and working Hong Kong -- for Hong Kong. 09:42:46 A. (Witness complies.) 09:39:06　09:42:49 4 That is my -- that is my representation. Yes. 09:39: 14 5　5 Q Were you -- at the time you were working for 09:42:51 6 Golden Spring (Hong Kong), were you physically in 09:42:55 I'm on the little page, on page thirty right 09:39:14 7 now. 09:39: 17　7 Hong Kong' 09:43 :00 Q. Okay. Yes. Sorry for the confusion. 09:39:17　8 A Not always. 09:43 :03 So take a look at line ten on page thirty, 09:39: 19　9 Q Okay Whendidyoumovetothe 09:43:05 10 and you will see a question there about when you 09:39:22　10 United States? 09:43:11 11 moved to Hong Kong to work for Golden Spring 09:39:26　II A What do you mean, move, sir? 09:43.11 12 (Hong Kong). 09:39:30　Q When did you come to the United States for 09:43:17 Do you see that? 09:39:31 13　09:43:22 13 the first time? How about that? A. Yes. 09:39:35　14 A That was many years ago. 09:43:26 I saw this. 09:39:53 15　Q Did you come to the United States during the 09:43:28 Q. Okay. And so my question for you is -- 09:39:55 16　16 time that you worked for Golden Spring (Hong Kong)? 09:43 :34 17 first of all, let's just focus on the date. 09:40:00　09:43:37 A Yes. Okay? Having read this, does that inform 09:40:03　During the time I worked for Golden Spring 09:43 :39 19 your judgment about when it was that you began to 09:40:09　19 (Hong Kong), I did travel into the United States 09:43:43 20 work for Golden Spring (Hong Kong)? 09:40:12　09:43:46 20 also. A. My answer, back to this page, which I mean 09:40: 16 21　Q Okay When was that? 09:43 :47 22 that, yes. I moved to Hong Kong in 2015, and then 09:40:25　A Oh, I couldn't recall. It should -- between 09:43 :49 23 I worked in there. I traveled to -- in U.S. But if 09:40:28　23 2015 to 2017 or '18. I couldn't recall. 09:43:56 24 you have my full Golden Spring (New York) corporation 09:40:34 24 25 records, I officially start work in Golden Spring 09:40:41　Q When you came to the United States in that 09:44:07 25 time period, did you return to China? 09:44: 10 7 (Pages 22 - 25) MR. ROSEN: Objection. Counsel, could you 09:44:15　1 Q. Did you move? Do you know what I mean by 09:46:42 2 please show me which of the 30(b)(6) topics this 09:44: 18　2 move? 09:46:47 3 relates to and give me some explanation as to where 09:44:21　3 A. Yes. 09:46:47 4 you are going here. 09:44:24　4 Q. Okay. Did there come a time when you moved 09:46:48 MR. HARBACH: Yeah. Sure. 09:44:26　5 to the United States for work? 09:46:51 I am really just trying to get basic 09:44:26 6　A. Yes. 09:46:59 7 background of the witness' affiliation with the 09:44:29　Q. When was that? 09:47:00 8 company that she represents. It is very basic. I am 09:44:34　A. That was started I became to be the officer 09:47:01 9 and director of Golden Spring (New York). 9 trying to figure out when she worked, where, and for 09:44:36　09:47:09 10 whom. That's it. It informs her competency as the 09:44:40　10 Q. Which was when? 09:47:11 11 30(b)(6) witness, and it gives con- -- it gives 09:44:44　A. Thatwasbeginningof2018,lateof2017. 09:47:17 12 context to her later testimony. 09:44:47　12 I couldn't remember. It should be beginning of 2018. 09:47:25 MR. ROSEN: I -- honestly, I don't see how 09:44:49 13　Q. Okay. I'm going to show you another 09:47:29 14 her travel plans has anything to do with this. 09:44:52　14 document. 09:47:36 And I'm going to instruct the witness at 09:44:56 15　15 MR. HARBACH: We'll call this one number 09:47:38 16 this point to simply not answer questions about her 09:44:58　16 two. 09:47:41 17 travel and her whereabouts at various times. If you 09:45:02　17 (Deposition Exhibit Number 2 09:47:41 18 would like to ask questions about her specific duties 09:45:05　18 was marked for identification.) 09:48:39 19 and what she performed and when she performed it, 09:45:08　19 BY MR. HARBACH: 09:48:39 20 I have no objection to that. 09:45:11　20 Q. Do you see Exhibit 2 in your folder, 09:48:40 MR. HARBACH: And you --you are going to 09:45:12 21　21 Ms. Wang? 09:48:42 22 object to any question about her physical location 09:45: 13　22 A. Yes. 09:48:44 23 when she performed those duties? Is that what 09:45: 16　Q. Okay. It should also be a .pdf. Please 09:48:46 24 I understand? 09:45:18　24 open it up. 09:48:51 MR. ROSEN: You --your questions were going 09:45:20 25　25 A. (Witness complies.) 09:48:52 Page 26　Page 28 I way beyond that. If you want to ask her specific 09:45:23　I Yes, I did. 09:48:54 2 duty and where she was, then we can address that 09:45:25　2 Q. Okay. Now, on this one I'm going to ask you 09:48:55 3 question as it comes up. But you are asking about 09:45:28　3 to turn to page -- okay -- forty-nine. 09:49:01 4 general travel plans. You are asking about her-- 09:45:31　4 A. (Witness complies.) 09:49:14 5 her work for other companies. She is a 30(b)(6) 09:45:35　5 Q. Tell me when you are on page forty-nine. 09:49:27 6 witness for Golden Spring (New York), and that is 09:45:38　6 A. Yes, I am. 09:49:34 7 where the questions should be directed. 09:45:41　7 Q. Okay. Looking at line five, the question 09:49:35 8 BY MR. HARBACH: 09:45:44　8 was put to you: 09:49:39 Q. Ms. Wang, where were you physically located 09:45:45　"QUESTION: And when did you move to 09:49:41 10 when you worked for Golden Spring (Hong Kong)? 09:45:47　10 New York to start working for the Guo 09:49:43 A. What do you mean, physically located? 09:45 :55 11　family?" 09:49:47 12 I mean, like, stay in hotel or staying-- I mean, 09:45:59　12 Your answer: 09:49:48 13 I don't understand, sir. 09:46:03　"ANSWER: That was a date I never 09:49:50 Q. What country were you in when you worked for 09:46:04　14 forget. That was April 23rd, 2015." 09:49:52 15 Golden Spring (Hong Kong)? 09:46:07　Do you see that there? 09:49:59 A. I was in Hong Kong, and I was -- I traveled 09 :46: 10 16　A. Yes,ldid. 09:50:01 17 in the U.S. I traveled in UK. I mean, I still don't 09:46: 14　17 MR. HARBACH: Okay. This deposition, for 09:50:02 18 understand what do you mean physically located, but 09:46: 19　18 the record -- correction. 09:50:04 19 that is the places I had been to. 09:46:22　19 This testimony, for the record, was given in 09:50:06 Q. Okay. Did there come a time when you 09:46:24　20 May of 2019, just under three years ago. 09:50:09 21 merge -- moved to the United States permanently for 09:46:29　21 BY MR. HARBACH: 09:50:15 22 work? 09:46:35　22 Q. So is that accurate that you moved to 09:50: 16 A. Sir, what do you mean permanently? 09:46:35　23 New York to start working for the Guo family in April 09:50:20 Q. Did you move? 09:46:38　24 of2015? 09:50:24 A. Permanent -- 09:46:40 Page 27　A. As I said, English is not my mother 09:50:26 8 (Pages 26 - 29) 1 language. When you say move, I mean, I understand 09:50:32　1 New York and Hong Kong both. I don't see now where 09:54:09 2 better by now more than two, three -- three, four 09:50:35　2 there is any problem. I said I'll work in New York 09:54:11 3 years ago, and that was right. I left China. I came 09:50:40　3 and Hong Kong -- starting from New York and back to 09:54: 11 4 to New York-- I came to New York first. Then I went 09:50:45　4 Hong Kong because I originally need to follow 09:54:13 5 back to Hong Kong.　09:50:49　5 Mr. Qiang Guo, if that makes sense to you, sir. 09:54:18 6　So regarding work for it the Guo family, 09:50:50　6　Q. Well, I just want to point out that I wasn't 09:54:21 7 which I refer always as my -- my boss -- like, the 09:50:54　7 suggesting there was a problem. I am just trying to 09:54:25 8 owner of Golden Spring, Mr. Qiang Guo -- Q-i-a-n-g 09:51:00　8 understand the facts of what happened; so here is my 09:54:28 9 G-u-o --that is the same Guo family. 09:51:06　9 next question. 09:54:31 10　Q. So did you start working for the Guo family 09: 51:09　10　When did you start working at Golden Spring 09:54:32 II in New York in April of2015? Is that correct or not 09:51:23　11 (New York)? 09:54:36 12 correct?　09:51:33　12　A. I believe I replied your question, sir, 09:54:40 13　A. I started to work for the Guo family from 09:51:33　13 about Golden Spring (New York). That was started -- 09:54:44 14 2000-- end of 2008. That is, like -- 09:51:39　14 I was appointed as officer and director of 09:54:46 15　Q. Yeah. Let me -- let me interrupt and ask my 09:51:43　15 Golden Spring (New York). 09:54:50 16 question again as you may have misunderstood it. 09:51:46　16　Q. When? 09:54:50 17　Did you start working for the Guo family in 09: 51: 49　17　A. 2018. 09:54:5 I 18 New York in April of2015? 09:51:52　18　Q. Do you recall when in 2018? 09:54:54 19　A. Start work for the Guo family. I mean, 09:52:00　19　A. In spring of 2018. 09:54:59 20 again, I don't remember this question many years ago. 09:52: 13　20　Q. Okay. Let's go back to Exhibit I. Let me 09:55:02 21 As I said --　09:52:17　21 know when you have got Exhibit I pulled up, Ms. Wang. 09:55:14 Q. No.　09:52: 18　22　A. (Witness complies.) 09:55: 19 23　You -- you -- you testified that it was 09: 5 2: 18　23　Yes. I'm here. 09:55:20 24 a date you'll never forget; so that is why I'm 09:52:20　24　Q. Okay. Page numbers again, I'm talking about 09:55:22 25 pressing you a little bit on it. 09:52:25　25 the little page numbers. If you please go to page 09:55:25 Page 30　Page 32 I　My question is when did you start working 09:52:27　I thirty-five. 09:55:32 2 for the Guo family in New York? The transcript here 09: 52:32 3 seems to suggest that that was in April of 2015, and 09:52:38　2　(Witness complies.) 09:55:36 A. 3　Let me know -- 09:55:50 Q. 4 I'm asking you whether that is accurate. 09:52:44 Is it accurate? Is it not accurate? Or do 09:52:47　4　Yes. 09:55:51 A. -- when you are there. 09:55:52 5　5　Q. 6 you not know?　09:52:51　6　A. Yes. I'm here. 09:55:54 7　A. April 23rd in 2015. That is the date 09:52:52　7　Q. Okay. Take a look on page thirty-five of 09:55:55 8 I never forgot because I left China. I was never -- 09:53:00　8 Exhibit 1, line ten. 09:55:59 9 I was never able to go back. 09:53:03　9　A. (Witness complies.) 09:56:00 Okay?　09:53:06　10　Q. The question reads: 09:56:05 11　So that is accurate. When I answered this 09:53:07　11　"QUESTION: You said in February of2018 09:56:07 12 question, I don't believe I have any interpreter help 09:53:10　12　you came to work for Golden Spring 09:56:09 13 me by then; so the question looks like right now 09:53: 14　13　(New York)?" 09:56:09 14 reading as when did you move to New York to start 09:53:18　14　And your answer was: 09:56:13 15 working for the Guo family? I was not quite 09:53:21　15　"ANSWER: Yes." 09:56:15 16 understanding this question withouttranslation by 09:53:24　16　Now, my only focus here is on whether 09:56:16 17 then; so if you ask me when I start to work for Guo 09:53 :27　17 February of '18 sounds like the correct date to you 09:56: 18 18 family, which I can tell you, I started-- my career 09:53:31　18 of when you started working for Golden Spring 09:56:22 19 started from 2008, but I started to work for Guo 09:53:36　19 (New York). 09:56:25 20 family outside of China. That was started from 2015. 09:53:40　20　A. Sir, I replied as in spring of 2018. 09:56:28 21　That is my correct and truthful answer now. 09:53:44　21 !mean-- 09:56:33 22　Q. And that was in New York City; correct? 09:53:47　22　Q. I'm -- I'm not suggesting anything other 09:56:36 23　A. Starting from New York and Hong Kong. 09:53:49　23 than whether February is correct. 09:56:39 Q. Okay.　09:53:53　24　Does that sound about right to you? 09:56:42 25　A. I mean, by then Mr. Qiang Guo, he was in 09:54:06　25　A. I don't recall. In spring of 2018. You 09:56:46 Page 31　Page 33 9 (Pages 30 - 33) 1 could check on Golden Spring (New York)'s corporation 09:56:49　1 whether there was a chauffeur employed at 10:00:03 2 book. It should be clearly in there. 09:56:54　2 Golden Spring (New York) when you started there? 10:00:07 3　Q. Was anyone else working at Golden Spring 09:56:56　A. Sir, I am the witness today-- in my 10:00:12 4 (New York) when you started there in the spring of 09:57:07　4 understanding is about bankruptcy. I mean that this 10:00:18 5 2018? 09:57:09　5 is my task -- this was my testimony how many years 10:00:21 6　A. What do you mean, is there anyone working at 09:57: 10　6 ago? Three, four years ago? 10:00:27 7 Golden Spring (New York)? 09:57:20　7 I mean, I could remember by then because 10:00:29 8　Q. Well, you mentioned that you were, I think 09:57:21　8 that was a relatively closer date. I was deposed in 10:00:32 9 you said, appointed to Golden Spring in the spring of 09:57:24　9 October 2018, as you said. Now it is almost three 10:00:37 10 2018. 09:57:29　10 and a half, four years after. I mean, just so many 10:00:41 11　My question for you is at the time that you 09:57:32　11 years pass by, I couldn't remember that. But since 10:00:45 12 were appointed, were there any other people working 09:57:34　12 my testimony back to 2018 in here said that, that is 10:00:50 13 for Golden Spring (New York)? 09:57:40　13 possible. That reminded me. That's right. But that 10:00:54 14　A. Mr. Qiang Guo, himself. 09:57:44　14 doesn't mean that after three and a half, four years, 10:00:57 15　Q. Okay. Andwhatwashisjob? 09:57:49　15 I still should remember all the details; right? I am 10:01:02 16　A. He is one of the directors of Golden Spring 09:57:55　16 being deposed in here about a bankruptcy. 10:01:02 17 (New York). 09:57:59　17 Am I correct about this? 10:01:07 18　Q. Anyone else? 09:57:59　Q. Well, you are --you are right about one 10:01:09 19　A. No. 09:58:03　19 part, and that is that I offered you this information 10:01:11 20　Just me and himself, when I was appointed. 09:58:08　20 to see if it would help refresh your memory. 10:01:14 21　Q. So no other employees who worked at 09:58:14　21 And, indeed, that was the question, whether 10:01:19 22 Golden Spring at that time? 09: 58: 19　22 reading this transcript helps refresh your memory 10:01:22 23　A. I don't recall. 09:58:23　23 about whether there was a chauffeur working at 10:01:25 24　Q. Do you recall whether there was a chauffeur 09:58:23　24 Golden Spring (New York) when you started. 10:01:30 25 who worked for Golden Spring (New York) at that time? 09:58:33 25　A. I -- 10:01 :31 Page 34　Page 36 I　A. I don't recall. 09:58:35　MR. ROSEN: At this point, I'm going to 10:01:31 I 2　Q. Let's take a look at Exhibit 1 again. 09:58:35　2 instruct the witness not to answer any further 10:01:33 3　A. (Witness complies.) 09:58:41　3 questions along these lines. 10:01 :36 4　Q. And this time let's go to page forty. 09:58:51　4 This is a deposition in a contested matter 10:01:37 5　A. (Witness complies.) 09:58:55　5 for approval ofa DIP financing arrangement in 10:01:41 6　Q. Tell me when you are there. 09:59:02　6 a bankruptcy case. So far, of the list of30(b)(6) 10:01:49 7　A. Yes, I am. 09:59:07　7 topics, these questions barely hit on any of these -- 10:01:52 8　Q. Okay. Take a look at line seven. You say: 09:59:08　8 of the topics, maybe a little bit on the ownership 10:01:55 9　"ANSWER: I remember that there was 09:59:24　9 structure. You have already covered the officers, 10:01:58 10　a driver. I met a chauffeur, a Korean 09:59:25　10 employees, and directors, and so far nothing about 10:02:02 11　gentleman, yes." 09:59:30　11 a DIP loan. 10:02:06 12　And then there is a question: 09:59:33　So I would ask you, if you are going to do 10:02:07 13　"QUESTION: You believe he was an 09:59:35　13 a fishing expedition or try and extend litigation 10:02:10 14　employee of Golden Spring before February of 09:59:36　14 from other courts here, that! would have to instruct 10:02: 12 15　'18?" 09:59:39　15 the witness not to answer. 10:02:17 16　Your answer: 09:59:40　16 BY MR. HARBACH: 10:02:18 17　"ANSWER: February of 2018, that was he 09:59:43　17 Q. Ms. Wang, just a moment ago you said that 10:02: 18 18　told me by then. 09:59:46　18 reading this deposition transcript did help you 10:02:22 19　"QUESTION: You met a chauffeur who told 09:59:48　19 remember. 10:02:26 20　you that he was an employee of Golden Spring 09:59:50　And so my question is was there or was there 10:02:26 21　(New York)? 09:59:53　21 not a chauffeur working at Golden Spring (New York) 10:02:29 22　"ANSWER: Yes." 09:59:54　22 at the time you started there? 10:02:32 23　And then you say that he was the one who 09:59:55　23 A. As my testimony back to 2018 said so, it is 10:02:37 24 picked you up at the airport. 09:59:58　24 possible. You are helpful, sir. 10:02:42 10 (Pages 34 - 37) 1 New York when you started working at Golden Spring 10:03:01　1 Q. No problem at all. 10:06:04 2 (New York)? 10:03:03　2 A. Thank you. 10:06:08 3　MR. ROSEN: Objection. I instruct the 10:03:03　3 Q. So we'll stick with Qiang Guo. 10:06:09 4 witness not to answer. 10:03:05　4 A. Thank you. 10:06:14 5　This has no relevance whatsoever to any of 10:03:06　5 Q. Okay. And you just testified that he is the 10:06:14 6 the 30(b)(6) deposition topics, none. And the 10:03:06　6 son of Ho Wan Kwok, the debtor; right? 10:06:17 7 purpose of this is strictly to either relitigate or 10:03: 12　7 A. You are right, sir. Yes. 10:06:21 8 extend litigation from other courts or to harass this 10:03: 13　Q. So my question is was Qiang Guo living in 10:06:22 9 witness. 10:03:17　9 New York when you started working at Golden Spring 10:06:26 10 BY MR. HARBACH: 10:03:18　10 (New York)? 10:06:28 11　Q. Ms. Wang, do you know who Mileson Kwok is? 10:03:18 11　A. Whatdoyoumean,livinginNewYork,sir? 10:06:30 12　A. Can you spell the name again, sir, please? 10:03:25　12 Like, I mean, I don't understand. Travel in there. 10:06:35 13　Q. Yes. 10:03:28　13 I met him in there, yes. I don't understand what you 10:06:38 14　M-i-1-e-s-o-n Kwok, K-w-o-k. 10:03:29　14 mean, living in New York. 10:06:42 15　Do you know who that is? 10:03:39　MR. HARBACH: Sunny, perhaps you can help 10:06:45 16　A. I don't know who you are referring, sir. 10:03:41　16 me. My question in English would be did 10:06:48 17　Q. Okay. You have mentioned someone who was 10:03:43　17 Mr. Qiang Guo live in New York at the time you 10:06:52 18 a director of Golden Spring at the time you became 10:03:47　18 started working at Golden Spring (New York)? 10:06:56 19 a director. 10:03:51　19 Could you please translate that for me? 10:06:59 20　What is that person's name? 10:03:52　20 THE INTERPRETER: (Interprets question.) 10:07:36 21　A. If you refer to Mr. Qiang Guo, the same 10:03:56　21 THE WITNESS: (Through the Interpreter) 10:07:36 22 director when I was appointed, his name is Q-i-a-n-g 10:04:01　22 I officially started working for Golden Spring 10:07:36 23 G-u-o. His English name is Mileson, M-i-1-e-s-o-n, 10:04:08　23 (NewYork)in2018. Idon'trecall whether or not 10:07:39 24 and the last name is G-u-o, sir, if that is helpful 10:04:20　24 Mr. Qiang Guo was living in New York at the time. 10:07:41 25 to you. 10:04:25　25 Ill Page 38　Page 40 1　Is this the person you are referring? 10:04:27　1 BY MR. HARBACH: 10:07:46 2　Q. It -- it is. 10:04:29　Q. Did you see him in New York personally 10:07:46 3　A. Okay. 10:04:29　3 around the time that you started working at 10:07:54 4　Q. And-- 10:04:29　4 Golden Spring (New York)? 10:07:57 5　A. I never heard about someone called 10:04:30　5 A. I don't recall. 10:08:01 6 Mileson Kwok. I mean, I never heard about this 10:04:33　Q. Have you ever seen Mr. Qiang Guo personally 10:08:02 7 person. 10:04:36　7 in New York? 10:08: 10 8　Q. Okay. How is Mileson Guo related to 10:04:36　A. Yes, I did. 10:08: 13 9 Wengui Guo? And that is spelled W-e-n-g-u-i G-u-o. 10:04:45　9 Q. When was the last time? 10:08:14 10　How are they related, if at all, if you 10:04:57　A. I don't recall. 10:08: 18 11 know? 10:05:00　Q. Within the last year? 10:08:21 12　A. Mr. Qiang Guo -- Q-i-a-n-g G-u-o -- he is 10:05:00　12 A. I don't recall. 10:08:25 13 the son of Mr. H-o W-a-n K-w-o-k. 10:05:07　13 Q. Within the last five years? 10:08:26 14　Q. And that is H-o W-a-n K-w-o-k; correct? 10:05:23　14 A. Yes. 10:08:30 15　A. You are right, sir. 10:05:29　It was possible. 10:08:37 16　Q. So for ease of understanding for everyone 10:05:30　16 Q. Was Mr. Ho Wan Kwok living in New York at 10:08:38 17 who is reading this transcript, can we please refer 10:05:33　17 the time you started working for Golden Spring 10:08:47 18 to Mr. Ho Wan Kwok's son as Mileson? Is that okay 10:05:36　18 (New York)? 10:08:49 19 withyou? 10:05:45　19 MR. ROSEN: Objection. This is the same 10:08:51 20　A. No, sir. 10:05:46　20 issue. 10:08:53 21　I will prefer to stay with Mr. Qiang Guo. 10:05:47　21 I think-- Counsel, could you please explain 10:08:55 22 The reason because, again, English is not my mother 10:05:51　22 the relevance of this question to me. 10:08:56 23 language. I do not want to pronounce something which 10:05:54　23 MR. HARBACH: Well, as you know, 10:09:02 24 was -- which could be misunderstood by everyone here, 10:05:58　24 Mr. Ho Wan Kwok is the debtor, and it is certainly 10:09:03 25 iflmay. 10:06:03　25 with- -- within the scope of appropriate topics, in 10:09:07 11 (Pages 38 - 41) 1 our view, for me to explore Mr. Ho Wan Kwok's 10:09:13　A. Yes. 10: 12:23 2 relationship to Golden Spring (New York), which is 10:09: 17　2 Q. Did you create this document? 10: 12:24 3 his putative lender on this DIP loan; so I'm starting 10:09:20　A. I don't recall. It should be prepared by -- 10:12:26 4 with the question about where Mr. Kwok lived at the 10:09:29　4 I don't recall. 10:12:37 5 time the witness started working at Golden Spring 10:09:32　Q. Give me just one moment, please. 10:12:37 6 (New York). That is the relevance. 10:09:34　6 MR. HARBACH: Sorry for the -- the delay, 10:13:55 7 BY MR. HARBACH: 10:09:35　7 y'all, buthopefullyl'vejustsavedusalittle 10:13:58 Q. Ms. Wang, what is the answer? 10:09:35 8　8 time. 10:14:02 MR. ROSEN: I'm going to instruct the 10:09:37 9　9 BY MR. HARBACH: 10:14:04 10 witness not to answer this question. This is -- 10:09:38　10 Q. I'm going to ask you to put aside Exhibit 3, 10: 14:05 11 there is no relevance that I can see to disclosing 10:09:42　11 and I'll come back to that a little later. 10:14:08 12 the whereabouts and the present location of parties 10:09:44　12 Okay? 10: 14:12 13 here to a DIP loan funding. This is just -- it is I 0:09:48　A. Yes. 10:14:12 14 just harassment. 10:09:53　I 0: 14: 13 Q. When -- when you were working for MR. HARBACH: So you are -- you are 10:09:57 15　15 Golden Spring (Hong Kong), did you have any titles? 10:14:28 16 instructing the witness not to answer, Scott? 10:09:58　16 A. I don't recall. Too many years ago. 10: 14:35 MR. ROSEN: Yes, I am. 10:10:01　17 Q. What were your duties at Golden Spring 10:14:42 MR. HARBACH: Okay. 10:10:03 18　18 (Hong Kong)? 10: 14:45 19 BY MR. HARBACH: 10:10:03　19 MR. ROSEN: Objection. This -- can you 10:14:47 Q. Ms. Wang, when you started working at 10: 10:04　20 please point to which topic on 30(b)(6) that 10:14:50 21 Golden Spring (New York), what was your title? 10: 10:06　21 a corporate witness of Golden Spring (New York)that 10:14:55 A. I was -- I am -- I was the -- the president, 10: 10: 11　22 this would -- this would be appropriate to? 10: 14:59 23 secretary, I believe treasurer also, and director. 10:10:16　23 MR. HARBACH: Again, I'm exploring her 10:15:01 Q. So you said, to make sure I have this right: 10: 10:23　24 competency to testify as a representative of 10: 15:04 25 President, secretary, treasurer, and director; is 10:10:27　25 Golden Spring (New York) by reference to her prior I 0: 15 :07 Page 42　Page 44 I that correct? 10:10:31　1 experience and its relationship to her current 10:15:10 A. Correct. 10:10:32　2 titles 10 15 13 Q. I'm going to show you -- let's call this 10: 10:32　l\1R. ROSEN: I'll let the objection stand. 10:15:16 4 numberthree. 10:10:41　4 But you can answer the question. 10:15:19 (Deposition Exhibit Number 3 10: 10:43 5　5 BY l\1R. HARBACH: 10:15:22 was marked for identification.) 10: 10 :48 6　6 Q Thequestion,Ms. Wang, was what were your 10:15:23 MR. HARBACH: Wait for it to get populated. 10:10:48 7　7 duties at Golden Spring (Hong Kong)? 10:15:25 I'm told it should be there. I have it. 10: 11 :27 8　8 A I took instruction from the owner of 10:15:28 9 BY MR. HARBACH: 10:11:30　9 company, Mr. Qiang Guo, and worked for him. 10:15:34 Q. Ms. Wang, do you have number three? 10:11:30　10 Q Did you -- domg what? 10:15:42 A. Yes, sir. 10:11:34 11　A Doing the task that he request me to do. 10.15:46 I have it. 10:11:35 12　12 I don't recall. It is too many years ago. 10:15:52 Q. Okay. Super. 10:11:36　Q You -- you -- you don't recall what your 10:15:54 Open that -- that one up. 10: 11:37 A. (Witness complies.) 10:11:39 15　14 tasks were? 10:15:56 A It is pretty diversified. Q. And tell me if you recognize this document. 10: 11:42　10:15:58 Q Okay Do you recall whether when you were 10:16:04 A. Yes. 10: 11:46　17 working for Golden Spring (Hong Kong) you did any 10:16:15 Q. Okay. This is a document that you helped 10:11:50　18 work for Mr. Ho Wan Kwok? 10: 16:20 19 create and submitted with an affidavit, isn't it? I 0: 11: 57　19 A I'm sorry. 10:16:21 A. What do you mean I created, sir? 10: 12:01 Q. Well, let me withdraw that question. 10:12:08 21　20 Sir, what is your question? 10:16:22 Q When you were working for Golden Spring 10:16:24 You said that you recognized this document. 10:12: 11 What is it? 10:12: 13 23　22 Hong Kong, did you do any work for Mr. Ho Wan Kwok? 10:16:30 A I don't recall. 10:16:32 A. It is a director and officer register. 10: 12:14　24 Q Who appointed you to be president, 10:16:33 Q. ForGoldenSpring(NewYork)Limited? 10:12:19 25　25 secretary, treasurer, and a director of Golden Spring 10:16:45 12 (Pages 42 - 45) 1 (NewYork)Limited? 10:16:51　Q. The transcript that! just read from was not 10:20:21 A. I was appointed by Mr. Qiang Guo. 10:16:52　2 a deposition. It was testimony in court, and it was 10:20:23 Q. When he appointed you to those positions, 10: 16:56　3 in May of 2019. 10:20:28 4 what did he tell you your duties would be? 10: 17:00　4 A. Okay. 10:20:32 A. I was appointed, and he -- he requested me 10: 1 7: 03 5　Q. But these -- these appear to have been your 10:20:32 6 to operate -- to run Golden Spring (New York), his 10:17:14　6 words, and so that is why I asked the question. 10:20:35 7 company, as general. 10: 17: 19　7 A. So back to 2019, my testifying -- my 10:20:39 Q. Tell me what you mean by as general. 10:17:21　8 testimony was correct. I mean, the entire -- 10:20:44 A. I mean any task, assignment as the owner of 10: 17:25 9　9 Mr. Qiang Guo, his family business, including his 10:20:50 10 company, himself, he requested to do that I will work 10:17:34　10 employees, were all persecuted. They are either 10:20:53 11 for him. 10:17:39　11 arrested, kidnapped, or disappeared. I was one of 10:21 :00 Q. When you assumed the role of president, 10:17:40　12 the survivor by then. That was correct. 10:21:04 13 secretary, treasurer, and director of Golden Spring 10: 17:56　And then when I testified back to 2019, 10:21:07 14 (New York), did you have any financial professional 10:18:02　14 I said I don't have -- that was -- I am humble; 10:21:10 15 knowledge? 10:18:05　15 right? So that was my testimony-- test- -- 10:21:18 A. What do you mean, financial professional 10:18:07　16 testimony. And then now in 2022, I mean, I could 10:21:21 17 knowledge, sir? 10:18:14　17 learn lots in three years; right? 10:21:26 Q. Let's go back to Exhibit 1. 10:18:15　Q. Of course. 10:21:29 A. (Witness complies.) 10:18:18 19　A. So-- 10:21:29 Q. Correction. Sorry. 10: 18:24　Q. Of course. 10:21:29 Exhibit 2. 10:18:27 21　A. -- that doesn't mean I don't have anything 10:21:29 A. (Witness complies.) 10:18:28　22 for now -- 10:21:31 Q. Page forty-seven. 10:18:35 23　Q. Of course. 10:21:32 A. (Witness complies.) 10:18:39　24 A. -- to testify in this bankruptcy, you know, 10:21:32 Q. Actually, you might need to look a bit 10: 18:51　25 deposition. 10:21:35 Page 46　Page 48 Q. Yeah. Iunderstandthat--thatthreeyears 10:21:35 I I earlier on to forty-six. 10:18:55 Tell me when you are there. 10: 18:59　2 have passed. My question isn't about today. 10:21:38 A. I am on page forty-six. 10:19:01 3　3 My question is about the day when you were 10:21 :43 Q. Okay. At the bottom of page forty-six there 10:19:03 4　4 appointed to be president, secretary, treasurer, and 10:21:47 5 is an answer that begins -- and it was in response to 10: 19:07　5 director of Golden Spring (New York). I'm asking 10:21:53 6 a question about some exhibit you were being shown. 10: 19: 11　6 about that day. 10:21:56 7 In the course of your answer, which goes on to page 10:19: 15　And my question is as of that day, did you 10:21:59 8 forty-seven, you say, among other things: 10: 19: 19　8 have any financial professional knowledge? 10:22:03 "ANSWER: I am administrator to 10:19:22 9　A. What kind of financial professional 10:22:08 Golden Spring. This is not my choice because 10: 19:24 10　10 knowledge you are looking for back to three years 10:22:13 II Chinese Communist party, they kidnap almost 10: 19:27　11 ago, sir? 10:22:15 all my colleague, between me and the company; 10: 19:32 12　12 Q. They were your words, Ms. Wang. You said, 10:22: 16 so my background, I do not have financial 10:19:35 13　13 I do not have financial professional knowledge. 10:22:21 professional knowledge. I do not have 10:19:38 14　14 I don't know what you meant. That would be a good 10:22:26 American real estate professional knowledge." I 0: 19:41 15　15 question, but it is what you said; so that is why 10:22:28 And your answer goes on. 10: 19:44 16　16 I used those words in asking you. It is a simple 10:22:33 But I have just read the two sentences that 10: 19:47　17 question. 10:22:36 18 Iaminterestedinformyquestionbecausemy 10:19:49　All I'm asking is at the time you assumed 10:22:38 19 question to you was when you assumed the roles of 10:19:52　19 all of those titles at Golden Spring (New York), did 10:22:41 20 president, secretary, treasurer, and director of 10: 19:55　20 you have any financial professional knowledge? Yes 10:22:44 21 GoldenSpring(NewYork)Limited,didyouhaveany　10:20:00 21 orno? 10:22:49 22 financial professional knowledge? 10:20:04　A. When I say I didn't-- when I said I don't 10:22:54 What is the answer? 10:20:10 23　23 have, as I repeat again, that is our culture -- our 10:22:58 A. These deposition happened in which year, 10:20:11　24 culture, Chinese culture. I was humble to say 10:23:05 25 sir? 2018 or '19? 10:20:17　25 I don't have professional knowledge. 10:23:09 13 (Pages 46 - 49) Q. I understand. 10:23:11　1 Mr. Ho Wan Kwok and his family? 10:25:46 2　A. English is not my mother language. I do not I 0: 23: 12　2 MR. ROSEN: Objection. Calls for a legal 10:25:51 3 mean that I know nothing about financial, if that is 10:23: 15　3 conclusion. 10:25:52 4 the answer you are looking for, sir. 10:23:20　You can answer that. 10:25:53 5　Q. All I'm looking for is the truth, first of 10:23:22　5 THE WITNESS: I need interpreter help me. 10:25:56 6 all. 10:23:25　6 I don't understand your question, sir. 10:25:59 7　Second, I am not asking you to be humble or 10:23:26　7 MR. HARBACH: Okay. But before we -- before 10:26:01 8 proud. I'm just asking you to be honest. 10:23:31　8 we go there -- actually, let -- let's -- Sunny, if 10:26:03 9　A. I am. 10:23:34　9 you don't mind, I will ask the question again. And 10:26:09 10　Q. So similarly, I mean, you were under oath 10:23:34　10 I'm -- I'm sorry to refer to you by your first name. 10:26: 12 11 when you testified in court, and I think the 10:23:38　11 That is unprofessional. Sorry. Ms. Johnston. 10:26:15 12 expectation would have been that you be honest then 10:23:40　12 BY MR. HARBACH: 10:26:15 13 as well. 10:23:43　Q. Ms. Wang, the question is in your capacity 10:26:20 14　A. I was. 10:23:44　14 as president of Golden Spring (New York) Limited, 10:26:23 15　Q. Okay. So I wasn't there that day. All 10:23:45　15 isn't it true that you serve as an administrator for 10:26:30 16 I have is the transcript. And I'm just being -- I'm 10:23:48　16 the interests of Mr. Kwok-- Mr. Ho Wan Kwok and his 10:26:35 17 being honest with you. That is the reason for my 10:23:52　17 family? 10:26:40 18 question is because I saw that you said that you 10:23:54　18 MR. ROSEN: I'll repeat the objection. 10:26:43 19 don't have any financial professional knowledge. 10:23:58　19 You can answer the question. 10:26:46 20　So I suppose the question is if you were 10:24:01　20 MR. HARBACH: (Interprets question.) 10:27:15 21 just being humble back in 2019, do you mean to say 10:24:05　THE CHECK INTERPRETER: The check 10:27:15 22 that you, in fact, did have financial professional 10:24: 10　22 interpreter heard Mr. Kwok and Mr. Ho Wan Kwok and 10:27:11 23 knowledge when you were appointed to all of those 10:24:14　23 his family. 10:27:20 24 positions at Golden Spring? Is that what you were 10:24:16　24 MR. HARBACH: That is correct. 10:27:21 25 trying to say? 10:24:20　25 That was the question. 10:27:22 Page 50　Page 52 A. I am not trying to say anything. My 10:24:20　1 THE CHECK INTERPRETER: Yes. 10:27:24 2 testimony-- back to 2019, that was my testimony, and 10:24:23　2 But not Wengui Guo; right? 10:27:25 3 that -- I stay with that. That is a -- true and 10:24:27　3 MR. HARBACH: That -- 10:27:29 4 accurate information, sir. And regarding right now 10:24:31　4 THE INTERPRETER: That is his Mandarin name, 10:27:29 5 what are you looking for after three years, I do not 10:24:34　5 Ho Wan Kwok. The Mandarin is Wengui Guo. 10:27:36 6 understand, and I will do my best to help you. 10:24:38　6 THE CHECK INTERPRETER: But, I mean, the 10:27:42 7　Q. Okay. Same question about the next sentence 10:24:40　7 counsel said Ho Wan Kwok. 10:27:43 8 on the transcript, which says: 10:24:44　8 MR. HARBACH: Yes. 10:27:45 9　"I do not have American real estate 10:24:46　9 The reason that counsel said Ho Wan Kwok was 10:27:45 10　professional knowledge." 10:24:49　10 because the witness said that is how she knows the 10:27:48 11　Was that true when you said those words in 10:24:50　11 debtor. I asked her earlier whether she knew the 10:27:51 12 2019? 10:24:53　12 name Wengui Guo, and she said she knows him as 10:27:56 13　A. It is correct. I am not real -- realtor. 10:24:55　13 Ho Wan Kwok; so that is why I used that name. 10:28:01 14 I am not a licensed realtor; right? That was 10:25:00　14 THE INTERPRETER: Yes. 10:28:03 15 correct. 10:25:03　15 MR. HARBACH: But we can clear this -- we 10:28:05 16　Q. Okay. So it is correct that at least as of 10:25:06　16 can clear this up now, Ms. Wilkinson. 10:28:06 17 May of2019 you did not have American real estate 10:25:09　17 THE CHECK INTERPRETER: Okay. 10:28:08 18 professional knowledge -- 10:25: 14　18 BY MR. HARBACH: 10:28:08 19　A. Correct. 10:25:15　Q. Ms. Wang,whatnamewouldyouprefertouse 10:28:08 20　Q. -- correct? 10:25: 16　20 going forward to refer to Mr. Qiang Guo's father? 10:28: 12 21　A. I don't have a license at all by then. 10:25: 16　21 A. Mr. Ho Wan Kwok. 10:28:18 22　Q. Next question. 10:25: 19　22 Q. Very good. 10:28:19 23　Is it true that in your capacity as 10:25 :29　23 A. That is the debtor; right? That is the 10:28:20 24 president of Golden Spring (New York) Limited you 10:25:36 25 serve as an administrator for the interests of 10:25:42　24 debtor's name. 10:28:21 Am I right. 10:28:23 14 (Pages 50 - 53) Q. You are right. That is correct.　Q. Is that your signature on the top right of 10:28:24　10:31: 15 A. Let's go with it, yeah. Uh-huh. 10:28:25　2 Exhibit 4? 10:31:19 Q. So would you like Ms. Johnston to repeat the 10:28:27　3 A. Sorry, sir. 10:31:25 4 question in Chinese for you, ma'am? 10:28:30　4 You mean Exhibit 4; right? 10:31:26 A. Yes, please.　Q. Yes, sir -- or excuse me. Yes, ma'am. 10:28:32　10:31 :28 5　5 Q. Okay.　A. Okay. I opened the wrong one. 10:28:34　10:31:33 6　6 THE INTERPRETER: Mr. Harbach, can you just 10:28:37 7　7 Q. Okay. 10:31:35 8 repeat the question one more time, please. 10:28:39　A. So let me go back. 10:31 :35 MR. HARBACH: Sure. No problem. 10:28:42　9 Exhibit 4, you mean the director and officer 10:31:37 THE INTERPRETER: Just so you know, the 10:28:46 10　10 register? 10:31:40 11 interpreter does not speak Cantonese; so I will just 10:28:48　Q. No. No. No. 10:31:41 12 re- -- I will just say the name the way you pronounce 10:28:53　12 A. Okay. That's -- 10:31:44 13 it instead of saying the Mandarin name. 10:28:54　Q. This is the one that says exhibit, and then 10:31:44 MR. HARBACH: Okay. That -- that's fine. 10:28:57 14　14 it has the number next to it, four. 10:31:47 15 And, obviously, I speak neither; so I will rely on 10:28:59　15 A. Okay. 10:31:50 16 you all. 10:29:02　16 Q. So when you open that up, the first page 10:31:51 17 BY MR. HARBACH:　17 says affidavit of Yan Ping Wang. 10:29:03　10 :31: 54 Q. So here is the question.　Let me know if you have the right document. 10:29:03　18 18　10:31:58 In your capacity as president of　19 19　A. Yes. 10:29:05　10:32:01 20 Golden Spring (New York) Limited, isn't it true that 10:29:07　20 Q. Good. 10:32:01 21 you serve as an administrator for the interests of　Now go to the last page of it, please. That 10:32:02 10:29: 12　21 22 Mr. Ho Wan Kwok and his family?　22 is page three. 10:29: 18　10:32:05 MR. ROSEN: Objection.　23 10:29:23　A. (Witness complies.) 23　10:32:06 24　24 You may answer.　Yes. 10:29:25　10:32:06 THE WITNESS: (Through Interpreter) Well,　25 10:29:59　Q. My question to you is is that signature on 25　10:32:07 Page 54　Page 56 1 first of all, I don't know what you meant by the word 10:30:07　1 the top right-hand corner of page three of Exhibit 4 10:32:12 2 administrator.　2 yours? 10:30:10　10:32: 16 3　3 And, second, I worked for Mr. Qiang Guo.　A. Yes. 10:30: 11　10:32:17 MR. HARBACH: Is that the end of the answer, 10:30:22 4　Q. Okay. Nowlet'sgobacktopageone. 10:32:18 5 Ms. Johnston? 10:30:23　5 A. (Witness complies.) 10:32:21 THE INTERPRETER: Yes, it was.　6 10:30:25　Q. And you can see that this is an affidavit 6　10:32:21 MR. HARBACH: Okay. Thank you. 10:30:27　7 that you signed and that was filed in the 10:32:26 8 BY MR. HARBACH: 10:30:28　8 Supreme Court of the State of New York on May 16th of 10:32:28 Q. Let's take a look now at Exhibit 4. 10:30:28 9　9 2018. 10:32:32 10　Do you see that? (Deposition Exhibit Number 4　10:32:34 10:30:31　10 was marked for identification.)　A. Yes. 10:30:35　10:32:35 11　11 12　12 THE WITNESS: (Witness complies.)　Q. Okay. Now, I also note that on page 10:30:35　10:32:40 13 BY MR. HARBACH:　13 three -- sorry to keep jerking you around. 10:30:57　10:32:43 14　14 Q. Okay. I have got it, Ms. Wang. I hope you　Could you please go to page three. 10:30:57　10:32:47 15 do too. 10:31:00　A. The last page; right? 10:32:50 16　Q. Yes, ma'am. A. (InEnglish) Yes.　16 10:31:01　10:32:54 17　17 I am here.　A. (Witness complies.) 10:31:03　10:32:55 18　Yes. Q. Very good.　10:32:55 10:31:04　18 Open up Exhibit 4, please.　I am here. 10:31:05　10:32:56 19　19 20　20 A. Yes.　Q. You will see above the notary public's 10:31:07　10:32:56 Q. And the first thing I want to do is go to 10:31:07 21　21 signature that it indicates that it was sworn on 10:32:59 22 the very last page.　22 May 15th of 2018. 10:31: 10　10:33:02 23　Do you see that there? A. (Witness complies.)　10:33:04 10:31: 12　23 24　24 Q. Areyouthere?　A. Yes. 10:31:14　10:33:05 25　25 A. Yes.　Q. Okay. Now go back to page one for me. 10:31:15　10:33:08 15 (Pages 54 - 57) A. (Witness complies.) 10:33:11　1 information as best of my capacity and as best of my 10: 36: 11 Q. Tell me when you are there. 10:33: 14　2 knowledge -- 10:36: 15 A. Yes. 10:33:17　3 BY MR. HARBACH: 10:36: 16 Q. The very first sentence of your dep- -- 10:33: 18 4　Q. Okay. 10:36:16 5 excuse me. Of this affidavit says: 10:33:23　A. -- is what I can say. 10:36: 16 "I am the president of Golden Spring 10:33:26 6　Q. Okay. 10:36:18 (New York) Limited, and in that capacity 10:33:28　7 A. I don't know what you are looking for. 10:36:18 serve as an administrator for the interests 10:33:32　8 I mean, if you are looking for words in the 10:36:20 of the defendant sued herein as Kwok Ho 10:33:35 9　9 dictionary, I don't know what you are looking for. 10:36:22 Wan"-- 10:33:35 10　Q. I'm asking you if you know what an affidavit 10:36:24 II And then there follows several akas. 10:33:42　11 is. 10:36:27 -- "and his family," period. 10:33:46 12　A. Affidavit is a legal paperwork. 10:36:28 Do you see that sentence? 10:33:48 13　Q. Okay. And do you understand that an 10:36:30 A. Yes. 10:33:52　14 affidavit is a piece of legal paperwork where 10:36:34 Q. So I'll ask you to tell me what being an 10:33:52 15　15 a person provides testimony that is sworn under oath? 10:36:38 16 administrator of the interests of Mr. Kwok Ho Wan and 10:34:00　16 A. Yes. 10:36:46 17 his family means, because they are your words. 10:34: 12　17 Q. Okay. And you told me a moment ago you -- 10:36:47 A. This is drafted by the attorneys also; so in 10:34:16　18 actually, I want to be fair. 10:36:51 19 my understanding, an administrator, these words -- 10:34:20　19 You don't -- you don't know how many 10:36:54 20 as, again, I am not native speaker at all -- means 10:34:25　20 affidavits you may have done in the past; is that 10:36:56 21 that I work for Golden Spring and take instruction 10:34:30　21 correct? 10:37:01 22 from owner of Golden Spring to work out the 10:34:32　22 A. I don't recall. Like, why should I recall 10:37:02 23 assignment and task Golden Spring request me to do is 10:34:39　23 how many of them? I mean -- 10:37:08 24 what I mean in here. 10:34:43　24 Q. I'm not -- I'm not suggesting -- 10:37:10 Q. How many affidavits do you think you have 10:34:44 25　25 A. I don't work in a law firm; right? 10:37: 12 Page 58　Page 60 Q. I'mnot-- I I signed in your lifetime? 10:34:48　10:37:14 A. I don't recall. 10:34:50　A. So why should I recall? 10:37: 14 Q. More than five? 10:34:52　3 Q. I'm not suggesting whether you should or you 10:37: 16 A. I don't recall. 10:34:55　4 shouldn't. All I'm asking is whether you know how 10:37:19 Q. More than twenty-five? 10:34:57　5 many affidavits you have prepared in your life. 10:37:23 A. I don't recall. 10:34:59　6 And I understood your answer to be that you 10:37:26 Q. Maybe more than fifty? 10:35:01　7 do not know; is that right? 10:37:29 A. I don't recall. 10:35:04　8 A. Sir, now you are asking in my life. I don't 10:37:31 Q. Do you know what -- what an affidavit is? 10:35:08　9 recall. That is my answer. 10:37:36 A. What do you mean, do I know what affidavit 10:35: 12　10 Q. Okay. That is fine. That is all I'm 10:37:38 II is? 10:35:17　11 asking. 10:37:41 Q. Do you know what an affidavit is? Do you 10:35: 18 12　You have told me that you understand an 10:37:43 13 know what the word means? 10:35:20　13 affidavit to be a legal document where a person 10:37:46 A. I don't understand your question. 10:35:23　14 provides testimony that is sworn under oath; is that 10:37:51 MR. HARBACH: Ms. Johnston, can you please 10:35:30 15　15 right? 10:37:55 16 translate. 10:35:33　16 A. The sentence which you read me through, this 10:37:58 Do you know what an affidavit is? 10:35:34 17　17 was I signed back to 2018. And then now as 10:38:01 THE INTERPRETER: (Interprets question.) 10:35:47 18　18 April 2020 [sic] of course I couldn't remember that, 10:38:08 THE WITNESS: So I don't understand your 10:35:47　19 like, four years ago almost. 10:38:15 20 question. All I have done in that I work for 10:35:58　Q. But-- 10:38:17 21 GoldenSpring(NewYork)Limited. Iamnotnative 10:36:01　21 A. But I do know that that is a legal 10:38:17 22 speaker. I am definitely not legal person either; 10:36:01　22 paperwork. I gave all my truthful and honest 10:38: 19 23 right? 10:36:01　23 information in that paperwork. This I am testifying 10:38:22 So like, I just to be here, and then what 10:36:06　24 right now. 10:38:25 25 being before there to tell the legal all the truthful 10:36:07　25 Q. Okay. And so when you signed this affidavit 10:38:26 16 (Pages 58 - 61) 1 in May of 2018, it was truthful when you signed it; 10:38:29　1 is not my native language, yes. I signed affidavit 10:41:45 2 is that correct? 10:38:39　2 back to 2018. That is a truthful information as best 10:41:50 3　A. When I signed and I gave all my truthful 10:38:41　3 ofmy knowledge. By then, when I signed my name in 10:41:53 4 information. 10:38:47　4 there, yes. 10:41:57 5　Q. Was this --this affidavit that is Exhibit 4 10:38:49　I'm testifying right now to explain and let 10:41:58 6 that we're looking at, was it true when you signed it 10:38:53　6 you know all of those yes and no, that is my truthful 10:42:02 7 and swore to it? 10:38:58　7 testimony by now, yes. This is all my yes and no 10:42:06 8　A. I signed affidavit back to 2018 of this 10:39:03　8 answer, sir. 10:42: 10 9 one. That is my best and truthful knowledge and 10:39:07　Q. At the time that you signed Exhibit 4, did 10:42:11 10 information I gave. 10:39: 12　10 you understand it? 10:42:14 11　Q. Is that a "yes"? 10:39:14　A. Understand what? 10:42:18 12　A. I answered your question, sir, already. 10:39: 17　Q. Did you understand what you were signing? 10:42: 19 13　Q. Well, I'm going to ask it one more time. 10:39:20　A. The affidavit. 10:42:22 14 I think you may have, but I want to ask it one more 10:39:24　14 Q. Were you able to read it and understand what 10:42:24 15 time just to make sure we are clear. 10:39:28　15 it said? 10:42:27 16　Was this affidavit-- that is, Exhibit 4 -- 10:39:30　A. I don't understand your question. What -- 10:42:31 17 true at the time that you signed it? 10:39:32　17 you are asking my recollection back to 2018? 10:42:35 18　A. What do you mean, at the time when I signed 10:39:37　Q. You-- 10:42:38 19 it? I mean, I signed it as true back in 2018. 10:39:46　19 A. I don't recall. 10:42:38 20　Q. Right 10:39:51　20 Q. You don't recall whether when you signed 10:42:38 21　And-- and here's the --here's the problem. 10:39:51　21 this affidavit you understood what it said? 10:42:41 22 Just a few minutes ago, when I asked you about the 10:39:55　22 A. It is four years ago, sir. I don't recall 10:42:46 23 first sentence of Exhibit 4, you said something about 10:39:59　23 the details by then. 10:42:49 24 this document being prepared by lawyers and that 10:40:02　24 Q. Do you make a habit of signing affidavits 10:42:51 25 English isn't your first language and that -- and so 10:40:06　25 under oath when you don't understand what they say -- 10:42:55 Page 62　Page 64 I that is why I'm asking these questions so that I can 10:40: 12　I with- -- withdrawn. 10:42:58 2 understand whether what is written on the page here 10 :40: 15　2 MR. HARBACH: Scott, you don't have to 10:43:01 3 is your truthful testimony or not. 10:40: 19　3 object. 10:43:02 4　A. So 10:40:27　4 BY MR. HARBACH: 10:43:03 5　Q. All I can do is ask you -- let me finish my 10:40:29　Q. Do you recall whether this affidavit was 10:43:04 6 question. 10:40:33　6 translated for you? 10:43:06 7　I don't know what is in your brain. All 10:40:33　7 A. I don't recall. Again, like, it is three or 10:43:07 8 I can do is ask questions. You have told me that you 10:40:36　8 four years ago. I don't recall. 10:43:11 9 signed this document. You have told me that you 10:40:39　9 Q. When was the last affidavit that you 10:43: 16 10 understand it is an affidavit. You have told me what 10:40:41　10 executed, approximately? 10:43:26 11 you understand an affidavit to be. 10:40:45　MR. ROSEN: Objection. 10:43:28 12　And so now all I'm asking you is whether 10:40:50　12 We -- we have really got to move on, David. 10:43:30 13 this particular affidavit was true when you signed 10:40:53　13 This is -- 10:43:34 14 it. That is a yes, no, I don't know, or I don't 10:40:59　14 MR. HARBACH: Listen, now, Scott. This is 10:43:35 15 remember question. 10:41:06　15 nothing personal, obviously. I would love nothing 10:43:38 16　A. This is several questions, sir. I cannot 10:41: 11　16 more than to move on, but I'm just trying to get the 10:43:40 17 only answer one yes or one no. 10:41: 14　17 witness to adopt what she swore to three years ago. I 0:43 :44 18　Q. Sure you can. Itisasinglequestion. The 10:41:17　MR.ROSEN: Allright. Howisthatrelevant 10:43:51 19 answer can be either yes, it could beno, it could be 10:41:21　19 to the 30(6)(6) deposition topics today? 10:43:53 20 I don't know, or it could be I don't remember. 10:41:25　20 MR. HARBACH: Oh, because it is squarely 10:43:56 21　A. The affidavit -- 10:41 :32　21 within what her job is as president of Golden Spring 10:43:58 22　Q. Do you need me to ask the question one more 10:41 :33　22 (New York). That is 100 percent within the scope of 10:44:02 23 time? 10:41:36　23 what we're talking about here. She has told us about 10:44:05 24　A. The affidavit, which I signed back to 2018, I 0:41 :36　24 all the titles that she has, and I'm exploring what 10:44:09 17 (Pages 62 - 65) 1 her job is what we have read several times, and now 10:44: 16　1 (New York), you served as an administrator for the 11 :01 :57 2 she doesn't want to answer that. She doesn't want to 10:44:20　2 interests of Mr. Kwok Ho Wan and his family? 11:02:01 3 own that; so I'm going to stop arguing, but it is 10:44:23　3 A. Yes. 11:02:07 4 plainly relevant. Plainly relevant. 10:44:27　As the language read in my affidavit, yes. 11:02:13 5　You can instruct her not to answer. You can 10:44:30　Q. Do you recall what you meant by an 11:02:16 6 instruct her not to answer any question that mentions 10:44:33　6 administrator for the interests of Mr. Kwok Ho Wan 11:02:45 7 Ho Wan Kwok if you want. But I'm going to stay right 10:44:36　7 and his family? 11 :02:49 8 here until I understand what was in this witness' 10:44:39　8 A. The language in this affidavit was drafted 11 :02:51 9 head when she signed this affidavit. 10:44:42　9 by attorney, and, in my understanding, 11 :02:57 10　MR. ROSEN: Well, I think you have -- you 10:44:44　10 Golden Spring -- as per Mr. Qiang Guo's instruction, 11:03:03 11 have pretty much established on the record that what 10:44:46　11 Golden Spring, like, pay Mr. Ho Wan Kwok, like, his 11:03:10 12 you are going for has nothing to do with this DIP 10:44:50　12 lifestyle and then et cetera; so that was my 11 :03: 17 13 loan. 10:44:52　13 understanding. 11:03 :21 14　So I am going to instruct the witness not to 10:44:52　Q. That was your understanding of your role? 11:03:22 15 answer this question. 10:44:55　15 Because that was what my question was about. 11:03:27 16　MR. HARBACH: Okay. I think we should take 10:44:56　A. My role as president of Golden Spring or 11:03:31 17 a little break because, among other things, I need to 10:44:59　17 administrator? 11 :03 :35 18 go to the restroom. 10:45:01　Q. Well, you have stated that as president, you 11:03:36 19　So can we please, Mr. Videographer, take ten 10:45:03　19 served as an administrator of Mr. Kwok 11:03:42 20 minutes. 10:45:06　20 Ho Wan's interests. 11:03:46 21　THE VIDEOGRAPHER: We are going off the 10:45:06 21　And so I'm asking about whether what you 11:03:50 22 record. 10:45:08　22 just described was your role in May of 2018. 11:03:54 23　The time is 10:45. 10:45:08　A. I am the president of Golden Spring. I took 11 :04:0 I 24　(Short recess taken.) 10:45:10　24 instruction from Mr. Qiang Guo and served as an 11:04:05 25　THE VIDEOGRAPHER: We are back on the 11 :00:21 Page 66　25 administrator -- administrator for his father. 11:04:09 I record. 11 :00:23　1 Q. And was that true from the moment you began 11 :04: 13 2　The time is 11 :00 o'clock. 11:00:23　2 working at Golden Spring? 11 :04: 17 3 BY MR. HARBACH: 11:00:31　3 A. Oh, sir, the moment -- again, you are asking 11:04:21 4　Q. Ms. Wang, before the break I was asking you 11 :00:35　4 the time; right? 11:04:25 5 about Exhibit 4, which is an affidavit that you 11:00:37　Q. Well, I'm asking whether what you just 11:04:27 6 signed in May of 2018. 11:00:43　6 described as your duties as an administrator, was 11:04:31 7　MR. HARBACH: Scott, I confess, I do not 11:00:48　7 that true from the beginning, from when you first 11:04:38 8 recall whether where we left off was with your 11:00:51　8 started working at Golden Spring (New York)? 11:04:40 9 instructing the witness not to answer my question-- 11:00:54　9 A. When I started working for Golden Spring 11 :04:42 10 any more questions about this. And let me -- and let 11:01:00　10 (New York), I did take instruction from Mr. Qiang Guo 11:04:52 11 me just -- let me say before you answer that if you 11:01:04　11 to -- to serve, as I said, as administrator for his 11:04:54 12 let me answer one or two -- ask one or two more, I'll 11:01:07　12 father. 11:05:00 13 move on. 11:01:13　Q. And so that would have been in the spring of 11 :05 :00 14　MR. ROSEN: I appreciate that, and yeah. 11:01:14　14 2018, when you started working for Golden Spring 11:05:04 15 Please -- I'll instruct the witness at this time to 11 :01:18　15 (New York); is that right? 11:05:07 16 answer the question. 11:01:22　16 A. Correct, sir. 11 :05: 10 17　MR. HARBACH: Okay. Thank you. 11:01:24　17 Q. And how frequently did you communicate with 11:05:11 18 BY MR. HARBACH: 11:01:25　18 Mr. Qiang Guo during that time, say the spring of 11:05:16 19　Q. So Ms. Wang, do you still have Exhibit 4 in 11:01:25　19 2018? 11:05:22 20 front of you? 11:01:30　A. I don't recall, but I do believe we -- we 11:05:24 21　A. Exhibit4? Yes, sir. Yes. 11:01:32　21 talk as needed. 11:05:29 22　Q. Okay. So again, reminding you that this 11:01:38　22 Q. Okay. Once a day? 11:05:30 23 affidavit was signed in May 2018. 11:01:41　A. I don't recall. 11:05:35 24　My question for you is is it true that in 11:01:45　24 Q. Okay. Do you recall whether you talked to 11:05:36 25 May of 2018, as president of Golden Spring 11:01:51 Page 67　25 him once a week? 11:05:39 18 (Pages 66 - 69) 1　A. I don't recall. As I said, we just talk as 11:05 :43　1 Golden Spring (New York) in New York City in 2018, 11:09: 15 2 needed. If, you know, we need to talk, we just talk. 11 :05 :47　2 did you reside in the same location as 11:09:21 3　Q. Okay. 11:05:51　3 Mr. Ho Wan Kwok? 11:09:24 4　A. I don't, like, calculate, yeah. 11:05:52　4　A. I lived in New York. 11:09:33 5　Q. No. I understand. 11:05:54　5　Q. Did you reside -- again, I'm not talking 11:09:34 6　And I don't mean to be asking for a precise 11 :05:56　6 aboutnow. 11:09:41 7 calculation. I'm just trying to get a sense of how 11 :05:58　7　I'm talking about in 2018, when you started 11 :09:41 8 often you talked to him. 11:06:02　8 working at Golden Spring (New York), did you reside 11:09:46 9　When you talked to him, meaning 11:06:03　9 in the same dwelling as Mr. Ho Wan Kwok? 11:09:51 10 Mr. Qiang Guo, did you speak by phone? in person? 11:06:06　10　A. Sir, what do you mean by dwelling? Do you 11:10:00 11 a mix? 11:06:12　11 mean-- 11: 10:03 12　A. Both. 11:06:15　12　Q. A house. 11:10:03 13　Q. Okay. Hang on one second, please. Sorry 11:06:22　13　A. Is it -- 11:10:04 14 for the holdup. 11:06:58　14　Q. Is it a house? an apartment? It doesn't 11:10:05 15　How often did you communicate with 11:07:01　15 matter. 11:10:09 16 Mr. Ho Wan Kwok in the spring of2018 to fulfill your 11:07:07　16　Did you live in the same home as 11: 10:09 17 role, as you have described it? 11:07:13　17 Mr. Ho Wan Kwok? 11:10:12 18　A. I don't recall. 11:07:17　18　A. No. 11:10:12 19　Q. Did you ever communicate with him? 11:07: 18　19　Q. Have you ever been to the -- withdrawn. 11:10:19 20　A. Yes. 11:07:23　20　Have you ever lived in the eighteenth floor 11: 10:22 21　We did communicate. 11:07:26　21 apartment of the Sherry-Netherland? 11:10:29 22　Q. And was that in person? 11:07:27　22　A. I visited there, sir. 11:10:33 23　A. Yes. 11 :07:31　23　Q. Fair enough. 11: 10:36 24　In person. 11 :07:33　24　I'm asking whether you have ever resided 11: I 0:36 25　Q. Okay. And how frequently? 11 :07:33　25 there. 11:10:40 Page 70　Page 72 I　A. I don't recall. 11:07:37　A. What do you mean, reside? As in, like, 11: 10:40 2　Q. Okay. More than one a week? 11:07:40　2 my -- my home? No. 11:10:45 3　A. Sir, you are asking back to 2018, when 11:07:45　3　Q. Okay. Have you ever stayed there for-- 11:10:47 4 I start work for Golden Spring? 11:07:51　4　MR. HARBACH: And, Scott, this is my last 11:10:52 5　lam. Q. Yes. Yes, ma'am. 11:07:54　5 one. 11:10:54 6　A. Oh, I don't recall. 11:07:57　6 BY MR. HARBACH: 11: 10:55 7　Q. Okay. Let's see. 11:07:58　7　Q. Haveyoueverstayedthereformorethan 11:10:55 8　Oh, thank you. MR. HARBACH: 11:08:26　8 a couple of weeks? 11: 10:58 9 BY MR. HARBACH: 11:08:26　9　A. I don't recall. 11: 10:59 10　Q. My colleague reminds me, I meant to ask this 11:08:28　10　Q. Okay. Can we turn now to -- back to 11: 11 :00 11 question. 11:08:32　11 Exhibit I. 11:11:20 12　When you started working at Golden Spring 11:08:32　12　A. (Witness complies.) 11:11:22 13 (New York) in New York City, where did you reside? 11:08:37　13　Q. Tell me when you have got it up, Ms. Wang. 11 :11 :28 14 I don't mean the --the exact address, but where did 11:08:41　14　A. Yes, I am. 11:11:35 15 you reside? 11 :08:45　15　Q. Okay. The cover page, just to help you 11: 11 :36 16　MR. ROSEN: Objection. There are security 11:08:47　16 orient yourself, is dated October 11th, 2018, which 11:11:44 17 reasons that Ms. Wang does not want to give 11:08:51　17 was the date of this deposition. 11:11:49 18 a residence address. 11:08:54　18　Okay? 11:11:52 19　Are you talking about a city or -- something 11:08:57　19　A. Yes. 11:11:54 20 as general as a city or are you talking address? 11:09:00　20　Q. All right. And so that is approximately -- 11: 11 :54 21　MR. HARBACH: I'll -- I'll try and ask the 11:09:05　21 I don't know -- six months after you started working 11:12:00 22 question in a way that avoids those concerns, Scott. 11 :09:07　22 at Golden Spring (New York)? 11: 12:03 23　MR. ROSEN: Thank you. 11:09:11　23　A. And -- yes. Kind of 11:12:11 24 BY MR. HARBACH: 11:09:12　24　Q. You said you started working in the spring 11:12:13 25　Q. Ms. Wang, when you started working at 11:09:12　25 of2018; so approximately six months. 11:12:16 19 (Pages 70 - 73) 1　Is that fair? 11:12:19　1 was accurate. 11:14:41 2　A. Yes. 11: 12:20　2 Q. Okay. 11:14:42 3　Q. Okay. So let's go to page sixty. 11:12:21　A. The testimony right now, after I was 11:14:43 4　A. (Witness complies.) 11: 12:32　11:14:45 4 corrected, is accurate also, sir. 5　Q. And, again, looking at the little pages. 11: 12:33　Q. I see. 11:14:48 6 Tell me when you are there. 11: 12:45　And so the -- the correction concerned his 11: 14:49 7　A. Yes. 11: 12:50　7 name; right? 11:14:51 8　Q. Okay. The very top of page sixty there is 11: 12:50　8 A. Yes. 11:14:52 9 a -- the tail end of a question and then a question 11: 12:54　Mr. Qiang Guo's name. 11: 14:53 10 that begins on line two: 11: 12:57　Q. Okay. 11:14:55 II　"QUESTION: Do you know Mileson Kwok?" 11 :13:00　A. That is reason why I am insisting calling 11:14:56 12　Your answer is: 11:13:04　12 him Mr. Qiang Guo; right? 11:15:00 13　"ANSWER: Yes." 11:13:05　13 So that is the accurate -- you know, his 11:15:00 14　The question: 11:13:06　14 official name. 11: 15:04 15　"QUESTION: Is that Mr. Kwok's son? 11: 13:06　15 Q. Understood. 11:15:04 16　"ANSWER: Yes. 11:13:09　16 A. That works better for me, yeah. 11: 15:05 17　"QUESTION: Have you ever met him in 11:13:11　17 MR.HARBACH: Andwithapologiestothe 11:15:07 18　person? 11:13:12　18 reporter for interrupting. I'll try to do better. 11: 15: I 0 19　"ANSWER: Yes. 11:13:13　19 BY MR. HARBACH: 11:15:13 20　"QUESTION: Does he have any role at 11:13:14　20 Q. Next question on the deposition transcript 11:15:13 21　Golden Spring? 11:13:17　2] IS: 11:15:16 22　"ANSWER: I don't know. 11:13: 19　"QUESTION: Is that Mr. Kwok's son? 11:15:17 23　"QUESTION: You never interacted with 11:13:22　23 "ANSWER: Yes." 11:15:20 24　him in regard to any Golden Spring business? 11: 13:24　24 So there is no question whether it is 11:15:22 25　"ANSWER: No." 11:13:28　25 Mileson Kwok or Qiang Guo. 11: 15:25 Page 74　Page 76 I　Did I read that correctly? 11: 13:36　We are talking about Mr. Kwok Ho Wan's son; 11:15:27 2　A. Yes. 11:13:38　2 correct? 11:15:34 3　Q. Can you explain-- well, first of all, is 11:13:39　A. Correct. 11:15:34 4 that true? 11: 13:46　Q. And Mr. Ho Wan Kwok has one, and only one, 11:15:35 5　A. Well-- 11:13:52　5 son; correct? 11:15:40 6　Q. Let's go through them-- let's go through 11:13:53　A. Correct. 11:15:42 7 them one by one so we can be crystal clear. First 11: 13:57　Q. Okay. Next question: 11:15:43 8 question: 11: 14:01　"QUESTION: Have you ever met him" -- 11:15:47 9　"QUESTION: Do you know Mileson Kwong?" 11: 14:0 I　9 Meaning who we're calling Qiang Guo. 11:15:51 10　Was that true in October 11th, 2018, you 11:14:09　-- ''in person?" 11:15:54 II knew Mileson Kwok? Was that true? 11:14:11　11: 15:56 Your answer was: 12　A. I was given a wrong impression back in 2018. 11:14:13　"ANSWER: Yes." 11:15:58 13 Like, I was thinking, like, Mileson go with Kwok 11:14:17　WasthattruethatyouhadmetQiangGuoin 11:16:01 14 also. The reason why -- 11:14:22　14 person as of October 11th, 2018? 11:16:05 15　Q. lam-- 11:14:22　A. Yes. 11:16:07 16　A. --lam-- 11:14:24　16 Q. Okay. Next question: 11:16:07 17　Q. -- going to -- 11: 14:24　17 "QUESTION: Does he, Qiang Guo, have any 11:16:17 18　A. -- testifying -- 11:14:24　18 role at Golden Spring?" 11:16: 17 19　Q. -- interrupt. 11: 14:24　19 Your answer was you don't know. 11:16:19 20　A. -- right now -- 11: 14:25　20 Now, this is six months after you said you 11: 16:22 21　Q. Yeah. 11:14:25　21 started at Golden Spring. Months after what you 11: 16:25 22　A. -- I was corrected by Mr. Qiang Guo. 11:14:27　22 claim earlier were conversations with Mr. Qiang Guo 11:16:31 23 He purposely corrected me after -- I forget when. He 11: 14:30　23 about your role and duties. 11:16:35 24 corrected me and said that he always go with 11: 14:33 25 Mileson Kwok; so the testimony by then back in 2018 11: 14:37　24 So why, six months after you started at 11: 16:39 25 Golden Spring, did you say that you didn't know 11: 16:42 20 (Pages 74 - 77) 1 whether he had any role? 11:16:46　1 frequently-- and that it was -- I believe you said 11: 19:47 A. That was after -- 11: 16:50　2 a mix of by phone and in person. 11: 19: 51 Q. Isn'tthat--isn'tthatalsotruethatyou 11:16:52 3　3 Do you -- does that not count as interaction 11: 19:59 4 didnotknow? 11:16:55　4 in your mind? 11 :20:02 A. So sir, you finish your question; so can 11:17:02 5　5 A. Interact with him in Golden Spring business. 11:20:03 6 I start to answer or you still have more, sir? I'll 11: 17:06　6 I mean, him and myself, we're friend also along the 11:20:06 7 wait until you finish. 11: 17:09　7 way for so many years; so when you ask me five 11:20:11 Q. You -- thank you for waiting. 11: 17: 11　8 minutes ago, I mean, we do, like, meet and talk as 11:20:14 You can answer if you answer my question. 11: 17: 12　9 needed. But the question back to 2018, it is asking 11: 20: 18 The question is is it true that as of 11: 17: 15　10 about interacted with him in regard to any 11 :20:23 11 October 11th, 2018, you did not know whether 11: 17: 19　11 Golden Spring business, which my testify was true. 11:20:26 12 Qiang Guo had any role at Golden Spring? That is the 11: 17:27　12 He was in charge of all the Golden Spring business 11 :20:29 13 question. 11:17:30　13 back to then. And I know I'm part of Golden Spring, 11:20:32 A. Back to 2018, I don't know by then in my 11:17:33　14 but, really, like, he -- he was the person running 11:20:36 15 understanding the role means employee or employees; 11:17:38　15 the business. 11:20:39 16 so by then I did not know whether he was employee or 11:17:43　16 Q. Ms. Wang, isn't it true that, in fact, you 11:20:40 17 not. But I do know he is the boss. He is the owner. 11: 17:47　17 were not interacting with Qiang Guo, certainly not in 11 :20:46 18 I do not know whether he is employee or not because 11: 17:51　18 2018,aboutGoldenSpringbusiness? Isn'tthattrue? 11:20:51 19 he was majorly handling the Golden Spring majority of 11: 17:54　19 A. Can you reframe your question again, sir? 11:20:56 20 work by then. I only work and cooperate with him as 11: 18:00　20 Q. Isn't it true that in 2018 you, in fact, 11 :21:0 I 21 neededbackin2018. 11:18:05　21 were not interacting with Mr. Qiang Guo at all 11:21:05 Q. In 2018 you didn't say he was the boss? Six 11: 18:07　22 related to anything Golden Spring was doing? Isn't 11:21:10 23 months after you claimed to have started working with 11: 18: 13　23 that the truth? 11: 21: 14 24 him you didn't say he was the boss, did you? 11:18:16　A. I don't recall. It is too long time ago, 11:21:15 A. I was not asked whether he was the boss or 11: 18: 19　25 and this deposition was conducted -- I don't believe 11 :21:21 Page 78　Page 80 I not. 11:18:24　I Ihadaninterpreterbythen. 11:21:25 Q. You were asked whether he had any role? 11:18:24　Q. Isn't it also true that the boss of 11:21:27 A. Any role, in my understanding back to 2018, 11: 18:27　3 Golden Spring (New York), when you started working 11:21:30 4 as employee. 11: 18:32 5　4 there, wasn't Qiang Guo; it was Mr. Ho Wan Kwok? 11:21:32 Q. Okay. How about the next question: 11:18:33　5 Isn't that true? 11:21:37 "QUESTION: You never interacted with 11:18:37 6　6 A. Golden Spring (New York)'s boss is always 11:21:38 him in regards to any Golden Spring 11:18:39 7　7 Mr. Qiang Guo. 11:21:43 business?" 11:18:43 That was the question you were asked, and 11: 18 :46　8 Q. Isn't it true that you have been a long-term 11:21:44 9 employee of Mr. Ho Wan Kwok? 11:21:53 10 the answer you gave was: 11: 18:48　10 A. I have been working for Mr. Qiang Guo, 11:22:00 "ANSWER: No." 11:18:51 11　11 himself, and his family. 11 :22:04 My question for you right now is is it 11: 18:52 12　Q. Yeah. I'm-- I'm not asking about 11:22:06 13 true-- is it true that as of October 11th, 2018, you 11:18:55　13 Mr. Qiang Guo. I'll ask the question again. 11 :22:08 14 had not interacted with Qiang Guo in regard to any 11:19:01　14 Isn't it true that you were a long-term 11:22: 13 15 Golden Spring business? Is that true or not? 11: 19:08　15 employee of Mr. Ho Wan Kwok? 11:22: 18 A. It is a correct answer because back in 2018, 11: 19: 13 16　A. I don't believe so. Mr. Ho Wan Kwok, he 11:22:23 17 Mr. Qiang Guo, he was the major person running 11: 19: 19　17 never pay me or ever pays me or pay me at all. 11:22:25 18 Golden Spring; so I didn't understand -- again, 11:19:22　18 Q. Does he tell you -- 11:22:29 19 English not my native language -- what is interacted 11: 19:29　19 A. So I always work for Mr. Qiang Guo and his 11:22:31 20 with. My understanding, by then he was running the 11:19:33 21 company. I just work for him as he needed. That is 11: 19:35　20 business. 11:22:35 Q. DoesMr.HoWanKwokevertellyouwhatto 11:22:35 22 my understanding; so -- which is correct. 11: 19:38　22 do? 11:22:37 Q. Right 11:19:41 23　A. What do you mean, ever tell me what to -- if 11:22:38 And you told me five minutes ago that you 11:19:41　24 they ask me for help, of course I will offer my help 11 :22:42 25 had contact with him -- you didn't remember how 11:19:44　25 to him. 11:22:45 21 (Pages 78 - 81) Q. Does -- does Mr. Ho Wan Kwok ever give you 11 :22:46　Q. Okay. And so there is a long answer on page 11 :24:57 11 :22:48 2 direction?　2 forty-eight that goes from line twelve to line 11:25:02 A He ask for support and help, which I'm 11 :22:49　3 twenty-three. And I'm not going to read the whole 11:25:06 11:22:55 4 always willmg to do that for him.　4 thing, but I want to direct your attention to the 11:25:10 Q. Does he ask -- ever ask you to go get 11:22:57　5 second half of that answer. It says: 11 :25: 15 6 coffee? 11:23:00　"They are arrested and pnt in jail by 11 :25: 19 A I don't recall. 11:23:01　Chinese Communist party. And a lot of his 11:25:22 What do you mean? 11:23:03　family member, including his son, his 11:25:26 Q. You don't --you don't recall whether 11 :23:05　daughter, niece, nephew, and his 11:25:28 10 Mr. Ho Wan Kwok has ever asked you to get coffee? 11:23:07　sister-in-law, brothers, they were all 11:25:32 II A Sir, I mean, I don't recall. Just, like, 11 :23: 11　threatened, kidnapped, and put in jail 11 :25:37 12 why I should recall someone ask me to get coffee: 11 :23:15　without any reason until now, including all 11 :25:40 13 right? 11 :23:18　of his, like, long-term employee, just like 11 :25:43 Q. Well, I don't -- I don't know. Maybe he has 11 :23:19　me." 11:25:47 15 asked you to get coffee hundreds of times Maybe he 11.23.21　So you are talking about Mr. Ho Wan Kwok 11:25:50 16 here; correct? 11 :25:56 16 never has. All I can do is ask the question. 11:23:25 Do you recall -- 11.23 .28　17 A. Can I read the entire from sentence twelve 11:25:58 A I don't recall that 11 :23:28　18 until twenty-three? 11:26:04 Q. -- if Mr. Ho Wan Kwok has ever asked you to 11 :23:29　19 Q. Absolutely. Take your time, read it to 11:26:05 20 go get coffee? 11:23:32　20 yourself, and let me know when you are finished. 11:26:08 A I don't recall. 11:23:34 21　21 A. Thank you. 11:26: 11 Q. Okay. What about to translate something for 11 :23:34　22 Okay. I finished it, sir. 11:27:12 23 him, meaning 11r. Ho Wan Kwok? Have you ever done 11:23:37　23 Q. Thank you. 11:27:15 24 that for him? 1123:40　24 My question is the person who you were 11:27: 15 A Yes, I did. 11 23:41 Page 82　25 talking about in this answer, who you refer to as he 11 :27: 18 I Q. How frequently? 11:23:42　I and his, is Mr. Ho Wan Kwok; correct? 11:27:22 A I don't recall. 11:23:44　A. And reading from the language, of course, 11:27:28 Q. More than once? 11:23:48 3　3 this is by -- by the transcript court recorder. 11 :27:33 A Yes. 11:23:50 4　4 Like, it -- reading from the language, it looks like 11 :27:39 More than once. 11:23:51 5　5 yes. But I am referring to -- as I am starting from 11 :27:43 Q. Okay. When was the last time you translated 11 :23:52 6　6 the Guo family, is not just his immediate family, the 11 :27:47 7 something for Mr. Ho Wan Kwok? 11:23:55　7 entire Guo family. 11:27:52 A I don't recall. 11:23:57　8 Q. Yes. 11 :27:53 Q. Okay. Let's go to -- 11 :24:01 9　And you said on line two: 11:27:54 MR. HARBACH: What is 331? I can't see. Is 11:24:08 10　10 "Mr. Kwok, Miles Kwok, he is number 11:27:56 11 that -- 11:24:11　seventh son of the whole family." 11:28:06 12 BY MR. HARBACH: 11:24:13　12 You are talking about the debtor, 11:28:07 Q. Okay. Let's go to Exhibit 2, please. 11 :24: 13　13 Kwok Ho Wan; correct? 11 :28: 10 A (Witness complies.) 11:24:15　14 A. Correct. 11:28:12 Q. And l'll ask you -- do you have Exhibit 2, 11:24:23　Q. Okay. And then you describe all of his 11:28:12 16 Ms. Wang? 11:24:26　16 relatives and the terrible things that happens to 11:28: 16 A Yes. 11:24:27　17 them. And then you say that the people to whom that 11:28:21 Q. Okay. Can you go, please, to page 11:24:27　18 happened include all of his, meaning 11 :28:29 19 forty-eight. 11 :24:32　19 Mr. Kwok Ho Wan -- all of his long-term employee, 11:28:34 A (Witness complies.) 11:24:34　20 just like me; so this is the basis for my question 11 :28:41 Q. Tell me when you are there. 11:24:46 21　21 five minutes ago. 11:28:49 A I'm working on it, sir. Forty-eight. 11 :24: 50　22 Isn't it true that you are a long-term 11 :28:51 Q. Yes, ma'am. 11:24:53　23 employee of Mr. Ho Wan Kwok? Is that true or not? 11:28:55 A Yes. 11:24:56　24 A. I am a long-term employee for the Guo 11:29:01 I am here. 11:24:56　25 family. I mean, I didn't remember clearly what was 11 :29:09 22 (Pages 82 - 85) 1 recorded in here. Like, obviously, I was never in 11 :29: 12　So it is not Exhibit 2? You want me to go 11 :32:23 2 jail. I am under threatened, but I was not kidnapped 11:29: 17　2 back to Exhibit I, sir; right? 11 :32:26 3 and in jail. I think it is still blamed to my broken 11:29:21　3　Q. Yes, ma'am. 11:32:29 4 English back there. When I say long-term employee, 11:29:27　4　A. (Witness complies.) 11 :32:32 5 my real -- my meaning as the Guo family. I am 11:29:30　5　I'm here. 11 :32:33 6 a long-term employee of Guo family. 11:29:32　6　Q. Okay. Thank you. 11:32:34 7　Q. Who? 11:29:36　7　Now, could you please scroll forward on the 11:32:35 8　A. Mr. Ho Wan Kwok, he never hired me by 11 :29:37　8 small pages to page forty-six. 11:32:38 9 himself. 11:29:43　9　A. (Witness complies.) 11 :32:42 10　Q. Well, who -- who -- first, since you brought 11:29:43　10　Yes. 11:32:52 11 it up, who was the person who hired you to work for 11 :29:45　11　Q. Okay. Very good. 11:32:53 12 the Guo family? 11 :29:49　12　Now, on this subject of what administrator 11:32:54 13　A. It was a company. It was a company called 11:29:51　13 means, if you'll look down at line twenty of page 11:32: 59 14 Pangu, P-a-n-g-u. Beijing Pangu. 11 :29: 53　14 forty-six, you'll see a question: 11 :33:06 "QUESTION: I'maskingyouwhetheror 15　Q. Yeah. 11:29:58　15　11:33:11 16　And who was the boss of Beijing Pangu when 11:29:59　16　not you serve as an administrator for 11: 33: 12 17 you were hired to work for the Guo family? 11:30:03　17　Mr. Kwok's" -- 11:33:17 18　A. You mean boss, like the owner? 11:30:07　18　That is Ho Wan Kwok-- for his interests. 11 :33: 18 19　Q. Well, you know, you can ascribe whatever 11 :30: 11　19 And your answer was: 11:33:22 20 meaning you want to boss, Ms. Wang, but you seem to 11 :30: 14　20　"ANSWER: Yes." 11:33:24 21 understand that Qiang Guo is the boss of 11:30: 17　21　And then you were asked: 11 :33 :25 22 Golden Spring; so you tell me. 11:30:19　22　"QUESTION: What does that mean?" 11:33:27 23　A. Oh, understand. 11:30:21　23　And you said: 11 :33:30 24　So Beijing Pangu was owned by the Guo 11 :30:22　24　"ANSWER: Translator," comma, 11:33:31 25 families. 11 :30:28 Page 86　25　11:33:33 "assistant." I　Q. Okay. So who was it -- 11:30:29　I　Do you see that there? 11 :33:36 2　MR. HARBACH: And -- and, Scott, I won't 11:30:32　2　A. Yes. 11 :33:37 3 stay here long, but she brought it up. 11:30:35　3　Q. Now, you have already told us that you -- 11 :33:38 4 BY MR. HARBACH: 11:30:37　4 you have, in fact, done some translation for 11:33:41 5　Q. Ms. Wang, who was it who told you at the 11:30:38　5 Mr. Kwok-- Mr. Ho Wan Kwok; right? 11:33:45 6 very beginning -- when you first started working for 11:30:41　6　A. I translate for him -- translated for him, 11 :33:48 7 the Guo family, who was it who told you you were 11 :30:44　7 yes. 11:33:52 8 hired? Which person? 11:30:47　8　Q. Yes. 11 :33:53 9　A. I was advised by the HR department, which 11:30:49　9　And if--you also said-- it also says that 11:33:53 10 I couldn't recall. That was back in 20- -- 2008. 11:30:57　10 you were his assistant. 11:34:00 11 I couldn't recall. But I was informed by the HR 11 :31 :02　11　Is that true? 11:34:01 12 department! was hired. 11:31:06　12　A. I mean that I -- I testified as an 11:34:03 13　Q. I'm going to apologize for rewinding just 11 :31:07　13 administrator for Mr. Ho Wan Kwok and I help him as 11:34:09 14 for a moment back to an earlier topic. I'll try and 11:31:19　14 per Mr. Qiang Guo's instruction, including, like, 11 :34: 13 15 make this clear and efficient. 11:31:24　15 help him to translate, make him understand, include, 11 :34: 17 16　In Exhibit 4, which is your affidavit, you 11: 31:32　16 like, assist as he needs -- right? -- to support him. 11 :34:22 17 recall that -- that I asked you several questions 11:31:46　17 It does not mean I have -- I have a title called 11:34:27 18 about what being an administrator for 11:31:49　18 assistant; so if that is what you are looking for. 11:34:30 19 Mr. Ho Wan Kwok's interests meant? You with me? 11:31:52　19　Q. Well-- 11:34:32 20　A. Yes. 11 :31:58　20　A. My meaning was I help him to understand as 11 :34:33 21　Q. Okay. So the reason I'm coming back to this 11:31:58　21 to language and support him as he needed as his son's 11:34:36 22 is because I neglected to point something else out to 11 :32:02　22 instruction. 11:34:40 23 you. And it is Exhibit I; so could you turn to 11:32:07　23　Q. Okay. And so what does that mean, other 11:34:41 25　24 Exhibit I, please. 11:32:15 A. (Witness complies.) 11:32:17　24 than the translation work, when you say that assisted 11 :34:43 25 means support him as needed? What sorts of things 11:34:47 23 (Pages 86 - 89) 1 didyoudoforhimbackin2018? 11:34:51　1 A. I don't understand, sir. I mean, capacity, 11:37:54 2　MR. ROSEN: Objection. Could-- can you 11:34:57　2 I am available. I am here. I offer my support as 11:38:02 3 clarify, when you use the word you, are you referring 11 :34:59　3 Mr. Qiang Guo requested me to do. That is my 11:38:05 4 to Golden Spring, or are you referring to the witness 11:35:01　4 understanding about capacity. If that is the 11 :38:08 5 personally? 11:35:04　5 capacity you are talking, that is the same, yes. 11 :38: 10 6　MR. HARBACH: That's fair, Scott. 11:35:06　Q. Well,Ihearyou. 11:38:13 7　I believe when -- when she was deposed in 11:35:08　7 All I'm trying to confirm is that that was 11:38:15 8 2018, she was testifying in both her capacity as 11:35:11　8 what you were supposed to do, according to you, as 11:38: 19 9 a representative of Golden Spring and in her personal 11 :35: 16　9 president of Golden Spring (New York) Limited was 11:38:23 10 capacity; so she is going to have to clarify that for 11 :35:20　10 translate for Mr. Kwok Ho Wan and cater to his 11:38:30 11 me. 11:35:24　11 personal needs; is that right? Is that what you are 11:38:34 12　MR. ROSEN: You can answer. 11:35:26　12 saying? 11 :38:38 13　THE WITNESS: I don't recall. 11:35:29　MR. ROSEN: Objection. 11:38:39 14 BY MR. HARBACH: 11:35:29　14 You -- you can answer. 11:38:40 IS　Q. Okay. And in any case, your role as an 11 :35:31　15 THE WITNESS: Let me repeat again. 11:38:44 16 administrator for Mr. Ho Wan Kwok's interests, that, 11 :35:35　My capacity as president of Golden Spring 11:38:46 17 according to you, was in your capacity as president 11:35:42　17 (New York) is to work as per the owner of company 11 :38:49 18 of Golden Spring (New York) Limited; correct? 11:35:46　18 requesting needs to me, including assist his father, 11:38:55 19　A. I was requested by Mr. Qiang Guo to help 11:35:52　19 translate for his father, and that including here I'm 11:38:58 20 backin2018;thatiscorrect. 11:35:57　20 being deposed today; right? 11:39:02 21　Q. Okay. Well, I want to make sure you 11:36:01　And sign the affidavit. Including a lot of 11 :39:05 22 understand my question because since Mr. Rosen 11 :36:04　22 things, I mean, if! may say, not only as you just 11:39:08 23 helpfully raised capacity, I want to make sure we get 11 :36:07　23 tried to describe me as assistant or translator, if 11 :39: 12 24 this correct. 11:36:11　24 that is helpful to you, sir. 11:39:17 25　Okay? 11:36:12 Page 90　25 Ill I　So bearing in mind that we are talking about 11 :36: 13　I BY MR. HARBACH: 11:39: 18 2 what being an administrator for Mr. Ho Wan K wok's 11:36:18　2 Q. Well, translator and assistant, again, 11:39:18 3 interests means -- that is what we're talking 11 :36:23　3 Ms. Wang, those were your words, not mine. I just 11:39:22 4 about -- I'm going to direct you back to Exhibit 1 -- 11 :36:26　4 read them to you from a transcript. And so all I'm 11:39:25 5 correction. Exhibit 4 -- sorry. 11 :36:31　5 doing is trying to explore what your job as president 11:39:28 6　A. So Exhibit 4, sir; right? Which one are we 11 :36:36　6 of Golden Spring (New York) Limited was. And you 11 :39:31 7 talking about? Four? 11:36:41　7 have -- you have explained part of that to us, 11 :39:34 8　Q. Yes, ma'am. 11:36:42　8 I think. And I'm just trying to understand what 11:39:38 9　The number four. 11:36:46　9 assistant means. 11:39:45 10　A. I'mhere. 11 :36:48　10 Besides being a translator, can you tell me 11:39:53 11　Q. And this affidavit, which you have already 11:36:49　11 any more about that? 11:39:57 12 told us you signed and swore to as being true and 11:36:53　12 A. About what, sir? 11:39:58 13 correct, states that you're serving as an 11:36:57　Q. About what you meant when you said you were 11:39:59 14 administrator for the interests of Mr. Ho Wan Kwok 11:37:02　14 Kwok Ho Wan's assistant. 11:40:04 15 and his family was in your capacity as president of 11 :37:07　A. That is what I -- that is -- that was not, 11:40:09 16 Golden Spring (New York) Limited: isn't that correct? 11:37:14　16 I mean, in my language. I mean, still I don't -- 11:40: 13 17　A. I was hired by Golden Spring (New York), and 11 :37:23　17 I don't have this as my native language when I named 11 :40: 19 18 I take instruction from the owner of Golden Spring 11 :37:28　18 that, which means I offered that support and service. 11 :40:23 19 (New York). And I was available to support his 11 :37:32　19 I don't have a title called translator or assistant. 11 :40:26 20 family, including his father. That is what the 11:37:36　20 Obviously-- 11:40:31 21 capacity, to me, means in here. 11:37:40　Q. Which-- 11:40:31 22　Q. And -- and what you just described, 11 :37:43　22 A. -- I don't have it, yeah; so I offered that 11 :40:32 23 according to you, was in your capacity as president 11:37:45　23 support. 11 :40:33 24 of Golden Spring (New York) Limited; isn't that 11:37:50 25 right? 11:37:54　24 Q. Okay. 11 :40:33 A. This is what I'm meaning, if that is 11 :40:34 24 (Pages 90 - 93) 1 helpful. 11:40:37　1 the lifestyle -- I mean, take care of his father. 11:43:10 Q. Got it. 11 :40:37　2 Q. When did he give you that instruction? 11:43:13 Tell me what -- now, what you just meant 11 :40:38 3　A. Oh, I don't recall. I should -- from long 11 :43: 16 4 right now when you said support. 11:40:40　4 time ago. I mean, son take care of the father. 11:43:22 Besides translation, what else? 11:40:42 5　5 I mean, that is kind of natural to me, so 11:43:25 A. For example, I am being deposed right now in 11 :40:44 6　Q. Well, I'm not going to quarrel with -- with 11 :43:28 7 this bankruptcy. 11:40:51　7 whether it is natural or not. 11:43:32 Q. Okay. 11:40:53　8 My only question is you just said that -- 11:43:34 A. This is as per Mr. Qiang Guo's instruction; 11:40:53 9　9 that Mr. Qiang Guo gave you the instruction that you 11:43:39 10 right? 11:40:57　10 just recited. 11:43:43 And so 11:40:57 11　And my question is when? You said a long 11:43:45 Q. Is your testimony -- I don't think this is 11 :40:58　12 time ago? How long ago? 11:43:48 13 what you are saying, but I'll ask it anyway because 11 :41 :00　13 A. I don't recall. 11:43:51 14 it is a fair inference from your words. 11:41:03　Q. More than a month ago? 11:43:52 Is your testimony today in support of 11 :41:06 15　A. It should be longerthanmorethanamonth. 11:43:57 16 Mr. Ho Wan Kwok? 11:41:08　16 Q. Okay. Had he given you that instruction by 11 :44:00 MR. ROSEN: Objection. 11:41:11　17 the time of your deposition in October of2018? 11:44:03 You can answer that. 11 :41:14 18　A. I don't recall. 11:44:08 THE WITNESS: I am testimony -- I am testify 11:41: 15　19 Q. Had he given you that instruction by the 11:44:08 20 today for a bankruptcy like a-- I believe the topic 11:41:19　20 time of your trial testimony in May of2019? 11:44:12 21 is about DIP loan; right? 11:41:24　A. I don't recall. 11:44:17 22 BY MR. HARBACH: 11:41:27　22 Q. Isn't it possible? 11:44:18 Q. And I would love to get there, but we -- 11 :41:27　23 A. I don't recall. 11:44:23 24 we're -- well, let me just ask one more time. 11:41:29　24 Q. Well, did he give you that instruction 11:44:24 I understand that you are not -- you are 11 :41:32 25　25 sometime in 2020? 11:44:33 Page 94　Page 96 I saying that assistant was not your title. 11:41:36　I A. I really don't recall. 11:44:35 2 I understand that. I understand that your title was 11 :41 :39　Q. How long has Golden Spring (New York) been 11:44:40 3 all those titles I recited several times now at 11:41:42　3 paying for Mr. Kwok's lifestyle, as you just said? 11:44:57 4 Golden Spring (New York) Limited. And I also 11 :41 :46　4 A. How long? I believe since I was appointed. 11 :45 :03 5 understand that according to you, in your capacity as 11:41:50　5 I mean, I don't recall clearly. I don't recall. But 11 :45: 13 6 president, you served as an administrator of the 11:41:54　6 a long time. 11:45:17 7 interests of Mr. Ho Wan Kwok and the family. 11:41:58　7 Q. Okay. Well, you said two things there. You 11:45:19 You were asked at a deposition about what 11:42:04　8 said you believe since you were appointed and you 11:45:22 9 serving as an administrator meant, and you said 11:42:07　9 have said you don't recall; so I have -- I'm going to 11 :45:25 10 translator and assistant. Now, we all know what 11:42: 12　10 have to ask you to tell me which it is. 11:45:29 11 a translator is, and that is clear. It is clear that 11:42:18　A. I don't recall. And I shouldn't speculate 11:45:33 12 you performed that service for Mr. Kwok. 11:42:21　12 or guess because when I was appointed, as 11:45:37 All I'm trying to understand, Ms. Wang, is 11:42:24　13 I testified, like, a couple of minutes ago, which was 11 :45 :42 14 what else you did for him, and so far the only thing 11 :42:27　14 true, Mr. Qiang Guo was operating and running his 11:45:46 15 you have said is testify at this deposition. 11:42:31　15 business; so that is the reason I correct my answer 11:45:50 Is there anything else? 11:42:33　16 to be I don't recall because I was not paying that by 11:45:53 A. Yes. 11 :42:37　17 myself. I don't recall the answers. 11:45:59 MR. ROSEN: Objection. 11:42:38　18 Q. Understood. 11 :46:00 You can answer. 11:42:40　19 What role did you have -- as president, 11:46:01 THE WITNESS: Yes. 11:42:42 20　20 secretary, treasurer, and director of Golden Spring, 11 :46: 13 21 BY MR. HARBACH: 11:42:43　21 what role did you have in making sure that 11:46:18 Q. Okay. What else? 11:42:44　22 Mr. Kwok's -- Mr. Ho Wan Kwok's lifestyle needs were 11:46:24 A. For example, Mr. Qiang Guo, obviously, he 11:42:47 23　23 paid for? 11: 46 :29 24 instructed Golden Spring to pay his father's, like, 11 :42:54　24 A. Sorry, sir. 11:46:31 25 food, clothes, and, like, including this -- they call 11 :43:01 Page 95　25 Can you please repeat your question? 11 :46:33 25 (Pages 94 - 97) 1　1 Q. Yes, ma'am.　Q. Who do you receive those from? 11:46:35　11:50:31 2　A. Which bill you were talking about, sir? As president, secretary, treasurer, and　11 :50:33 11:46:36　2 3 director of Golden Spring (New York) Limited, what 11:46:42　Q. Any of the above. 11 :50:38 4 role did you have in ensuring that Mr. Ho Wan Kwok's 11:46:47　A. I mean, some of them, they go through from 11:50:41 5 lifestyle needs were paid for?　5 the card. Some of them we received it from the -- 11:46:53　11 :50:45 A. What role I ensured with? I mean, sorry. 11 :46:55 6　6 the vendor. 11:50:48 7　Q. Okay. How many of those bills do you That's -- that's the question you were　7 11:47:05　11:50:50 8 asking for; right?　8 receive from Mr. Ho Wan Kwok directly? 11 :47:06　11:50:56 Q. Yes, ma'am.　A. Directly? I don't recall. 11:47:08　11 :50:59 9　9 And I'll try one more time in English, and　Q. How do you know whether -- any of the 11:47:08　10 10　11:51:06 11 then we might need to use Ms. Johnston.　11 expenses that you review to take care of 11:47:11　11: 51: 10 A. Yes, please. 11:47: 15　12 Mr. Ho Wan Kwok's lifestyle, how do you know or 11:51:14 I feel the same. 11:47:16 13　13 verify, as you said, whether any of them are actually 11:51:19 Q. It's okay. I'll try it one more time. 11:47:17 14　14 his? 11:51:23 You have stated that Mr. Qiang Guo gave you　A. I mean, Mr. Qiang Guo, he requested 11:47:21　11 :51:25 15　15 16 instruction to take care of his father, I mean, more　16 Golden Spring to take care of both his parents; so 11:47:25　11:51:32 17 orless. You don't remember exactly when he gave you 11:47:35　17 I mean, only, like, is -- is clarified, like this is 11 :51:38 18 that instruction, but it was a long time ago.　18 his father's clothes and then we obviously will 11:47:37　11:51:45 Have I got that right so far? 11:47:41　19 verify from that. Like -- 11 :51:48 20　Q. And-- A. Yes.　20 11 :47:43　11:51:51 Q. Okay. And I'm asking now, in your role as　A. -- grocery bill, I think it is more, like, 11 :47:47　11: 51: 52 21　21 22 president, and all those other titles, of　22 mixed for the mom and that. 11:48:00　11:51:55 23 Golden Spring (New York) Limited, what did you do to 11 :48:03 23　Q. Okay. And, number one, how do you know that 11:51:57 24 ensure that Mr. Ho Wan Kwok and his lifestyle needs　24 it is Mr. Ho Wan Kwok's clothing that is being 11:48:13　11:52:01 25 were taken care of? Do you understand the question?　25 purchased? How do you verify that? 11:48:20　11 :52:05 Page 98　Page 100 I　A. I verifying with the vendor directly. A. I believe so.　11 :52:07 11:48:27　1 Q. Okay. So what is the answer?　Q. And -- huh. 11:48:29　11 :52: 13 2　2 3　3 A. For example, like, I communicate with　So you -- you ask a vendor whether the 11:48:34　11:52:19 4 Mr. Qiang Guo about the fund, including this depo.　4 clothing was purchased by Mr. Ho Wan Kwok? 11:48:42　11 :52:22 5 He take care of the request and then make sure the 11:48:52　A. Yeah. Because the man's clothes, the 11:52:27 6 funds in there to take care of his father.　6 women's clothes are pretty obvious; right? 11:49:01　11:52:32 7　But I do need to verify, yes. Q. We're going to -- we're going to talk about　11:52:35 11 :49:04　7 8 the fund in just a moment. But you mentioned 11:49:10　Q. Yeah. I get the difference between men's 11:52:38 9 lifestyle needs earlier, things like clothing, food,　9 and women's clothes. 11:49:14　11:52:42 10 transportation -- basics. 11:49:22　So is it the case that any -- any -- any 11 :52:44 As president of Golden Spring (New York) 11:49:29 11　11 charge that is obviously for men's clothing you 11:52:49 12 Limited, were you involved in paying for or providing 11:49:31　12 assume is Mr. Ho Wan Kwok, and any charge that is for 11:52:53 13 those things for Mr. Ho Wan Kwok?　13 women's clothing you assume is for his wife? 11:49:39　11:52:59 14　14 A. Yes.　A. I don't assume. I mean, I have to verify 11 :49:45　11:53:04 Q. Please tell me what you did. 11:49:46 15　15 because I need to report back the funds; right? -- 11:53:07 A. Like, I will review the bills and verify -- 11: 49: 5 2　16 the financials to the owner of the company clearly-- 11:53:15 17 if there is any need to verify -- and process the 11 :50:03　17 Q. Absolutely. 11 :53: 18 18 payment in clothing. 11:50:07　A. -- so I verify. 11 :53: 19 Q. What types of bills?　19 19　Q. Absolutely. 11 :50:08　11 :53:20 20　20 A. Like, clothes. Like, food -- grocery food.　A. So I verify. 11 :50: 11　11 :53:21 Q. And -- and are these credit card bills or　21 11:50: 19　Q. Let's -- do you -- do you review any credit 21　11 :53:22 22 are they receipts directly from the vendor or what?　22 card bills as part of that process? 11 :50:21　11:53:25 A. I believe they are both.　23 11:50:26　A. Sometimes. 23　11:53:29 24　24 Q. Okay.　Q. Okay. And when you re- -- when you review 11:50:28　11:53:30 A. It is a mixed. 11 :50:29 Page 99　25 a credit card bill, let's just pretend there is 11 :53:35 26 (Pages 98 - 101) 1 a charge on there for -- yeah, I don't know -- a stay 11:53 :39　1 MR. HARBACH: Sure. Sure. 11:56:19 2 in a hotel. Let's just take that as an example. 11:53:45　I'm sorry to be cute. 11:56:21 3　How do you verify who made the charge? 11:53:48　3 BY MR. HARBACH: 11:56:22 4　A. Like, a hotel, you mean; right? For an 11:53:54　Q. Ms. Wang, can you give us a more precise 11 :56:23 5 example. 11:54:02　5 date range during which Mr. Ho Wan Kwok's wife had 11 :56:28 6　Q. I'm taking that as an example. 11:54:02　6 access to the Golden Spring (New York) debit card? 11:56:32 7　A. If hotel, we obviously, Golden Spring, will 11 :54:05　A. I don't recall, sir. 11:56:38 8 call the hotel to verify. 11:54:09　8 Q. Do you recall the last time that she -- 11 :56:42 9　Q. To verify that the charge was made? 11:54:10　9 meaning Mr. Ho Wan Kwok's wife -- used the 11 :56:46 10　A. Yes. 11:54:14　10 Golden Spring (New York) debit card? 11 :56:49 II　That is part of internal, I mean, audit. 11:54:14　A. I don't recall. 11 :56:53 12 It -- it is normal. 11:54:18　Q. Did you, as president and treasurer of 11:56:54 13　Q. Okay. Sohowaboutfiguringoutwhoused 11:54:19　13 Golden Spring (New York) Limited, authorize 11:56:59 14 the credit card? How would you do that? 11:54:23　14 Mr. Ho Wan Kwok's wife to use the Golden Spring 11:57:04 15　A. You -- I don't follow your question, sir. 11:54:26　15 (New York) debit card? 11:57:09 16　Who used credit cards? You mean 11:54:34　A. Authorized? I believe yes. And 11:57:12 17 Mr. Ho Wan Kwok, how he used credit card; right? 11 :54:36　17 Mr. Qiang Guo requested Golden Spring to do that. 11:57:17 18　Q. Sure. 11:54:40　Q. But you don't recall when that was? 11:57:20 19　That -- that is -- that is a possibility, 11:54:41　19 A. Correct. 11:57:25 20 but I don't know. I'm asking you. 11:54:43　20 Q. Okay. And I believe you testified a moment 11 :57:27 21　A. No. 11:54:45　21 ago that to your knowledge Mr. Ho Wan Kwok has never 11:57:3 22　He doesn't use Golden Spring's credit cards. 11:54:45　22 used the Golden Spring (New York) debit card; is that 11: 57:38 23　Q. Does Golden Spring have credit cards? 11 :54:48　23 correct? 11 :57:43 24　A. We have debit card. 11:54:51　A. HeneverhasGoldenSpring(NewYork)debit 11:57:46 25　Q. Okay. Does Golden Spring have any credit 11:54:53 Page 102　25 card at all. 11:57:51 1 cards? 11 :54:58　Q. Has he ever used the debit card number to 11 :57:55 2　A. As of now, no. 11:55:00　2 purchase anything, to your knowledge? 11 :57:58 3　Q. Okay. Does Mr. Kwok have access to the 11 :55:03　A. I don't know. 11 :58:01 4 Golden Spring debit card? 11:55:12　Q. Has he ever asked you -- "he" meaning 11:58:03 5　A. No. 11 :55: 15　5 Mr. Ho Wan Kwok. 11:58:08 6　Q. What about his wife? Does he [sic] have 11:55:15　Has he ever asked you to purchase anything 11 :58:09 7 access to the Golden Spring debit card? 11:55:18　7 for him in your capacity as president of 11:58:12 8　A. I don't recall. 11:55:21　8 Golden Spring? 11:58:15 9　Q. You are the treasurer of Golden Spring 11:55:25　A. I believe so. 11:58:19 10 (New York) Limited; right? 11:55:33　Q. Okay. Can you give us an example of 11 :58:21 II　A. Yes. 11:55:36　11 anything he has asked you to purchase for him? 11 :58:25 12　Q. You -- you really don't know whether 11:55:38　12 A. I mean, I don't recall the details, but it 11:58:29 13 Ho Wan Kwok's wife has access to the company debit 11:55:43　13 happened. 11:58:33 14 card? 11:55:48　14 Q. You don't remember a single thing that 11 :58:34 15　A. She had one before, but I'm not sure whether 11:55:49　15 Mr. Ho Wan Kwok has asked you to purchase for him? 11:58:37 16 that one is still activated. 11:55:53　16 A. I don't recall. 11 :58:43 17　Q. When did she have one? 11:55:56　Q. How many times has it happened that he has 11 :58:44 18　A. Long time ago. 11:55:58　18 asked you to purchase something for him? 11:58:49 19　Q. Can you do better than that? 11:56:00　19 A. I don't recall. 11 :58:54 20　A. What do you mean, can I do better than that, 11: 56 :0 5　20 Q. More than once? 11 :58:54 21 sir? 11:56: 10　21 A. Correct. 11:58:57 22　Q. You know what I mean. 11 :56: 10　22 Q. More than a hundred times? 11:58:59 23　MR. ROSEN: Objection. 11:56:12　23 A. I don't recall. 11 :59:02 24　Can you please ask the witness directly what 11:56:15 25 your question is? 11:56:17　24 Q. On the occasions when Mr. Ho Wan Kwok has 11:59:03 25 asked you to purchase something for him, what do you 11:59:15 27 (Pages I 02 - I 05) I do? 11 :59:18　Have I got that right? 12:02:29 A. As per Mr. Qiang Guo's instruction, I help 11 :59:20　A. Yeah. That is the instruction was given to 12:02:31 3 him, yes I go to buy for him. 11 :59:28　3 Golden Spring; so -- 12:02:34 II :59:32 Q. Okay. Have -- has -- have you ever-- 4　4 Q. And is this -- 12:02:35 5 has -- have you ever refused a request from 11:59:37　5 A. -- we just go buy. 12:02:38 6 J\Ar. Ho Wan Kwok that you purchase something for him? 11 :59:41　6 Q. Is that true, no matter how expensive the 12:02:40 A. Yes. 11 :59:45　7 item is? 12:02:42 Q. When was that? 11:59:46　A. Sir, what -- what is your range about 12:02:44 A. I don't recall. But I obviously need to 11 :59:48　9 expensive? I mean -- 12:02:48 10 report it to Mr. Qiang Guo, and ifhe reject it, 11:59:56　Q. Well, let's take -- let's take 12:02:50 11 I will reject 12:00:01　11 transportation as an example. 12:02:53 Q. Okay. Is your -- so I want to make sure 12:00:03　12 Are you aware that -- that Mr. Kwok 12:02:54 13 I understand the process. 12:00:06　13 frequently travels in a Maybach limousine? 12:02:57 Is it your testimony that every time 12:00:07　14 A. Am I aware? What do you mean am I aware? 12:03:05 15 Mr. Ho Wan Kwok asks you to buy something for him 12.00.10　Q. Do you know -- do you know what a limousine 12:03:09 16 thatyouconsulthissontogetpermission' Isthat 12:00:14　16 is? 12:03:12 17 correct or not? 1200.23　17 A. Limo, yes. I do know. 12:03:13 A. Not every time. Like, as you said, for 12:00:23　18 Q. Okay. And do you know what a Maybach is? 12:03:15 19 example, buy coffee; right? 12:00:27　19 A. Yes. 12:03:18 Obviously I don't need to consult with 12:00:28　Q. Okay. Is it a type of car; right? 12:03: 19 21 Mr. Qiang Guo. 12:00:30　A. Correct. 12:03:22 Q. Okay. How do you decide when to consult 12:00:32　Q. Isn't it true that Mr. Ho Wan Kwok 12:03:22 23 with JI.Ar. Kwok Ho Wan's son about a purchase that 12:00:35　23 frequently travels by Maybach? 12:03:27 24 Mr. Kwok Ho Wan wants you to make? 12:00:43　A. Sir-- sir, I know Mileson want his father 12:03:32 A. I don't recall. But that happened. 12:00:46　25 to be safe and secured; so that is the thing I know. 12:03:38 Page 106　Page 108 I Q. Do you have any -- any thoughts about that? 12:00:49　I But I don't know, like, frequency. I use that 12:03 :43 A Like, a legal fee? 12:00:53 2　2 Obviously, I am not following his father every day. 12:03:48 Q. No. 12:00:57 3　3 I cannot tell that 12:03:50 I'm -- I'm just asking you in general. I'm 12:00:58 4　Q. Does -- does Golden Spring-- I'll ask you 12:03:51 5 not asking you about legal fees yet, although 12:01 :00　5 to accept for purposes of this deposition today -- 12:03:54 6 hopefully we will get there. 12:01:05　6 just take my word for it that within the last month 12:03:59 I'm asking you about in general if 12:01:06 7　7 Mr. Kwok has traveled at least once by Maybach. 12:04:02 8 Mr. Ho Wan Kwok says, hey, Yvette, I would like you 12:01:08　8 Okay? 12:04:08 9 to buy me X, how do you know whether just to buy X or 12:01: 14　Let's just assume that. 12:04:08 10 whether to get his son's permission? How do you 12:01:21　10 My question for you is is that Maybach 12:04: 11 II decide? 12:01:30　11 transportation that Golden Spring (New York) has paid 12:04:17 A Well, yearly, like, his food and his coffee 12:01:30 12　12 for? 12:04: 19 13 and then his transportation, those lifestyle were 12:01:34　A. Golden Spring (New York) pays -- pays the -- 12:04:21 14 already approved by Mr. Qiang Guo; so you already -- 12:01:40　14 the gasolines and-- yeah. The gasolines. That 12:04:24 15 Golden Spring just to go ahead to buy or purchase and 12:01:44　[5 IS -- 12:04:31 16 then report back to Mr. Qiang Guo; so anything 12:01:49　16 Q. Does -- 12:04:31 17 except -- besides -- except which words? Except 12:01:53　17 A. -- what transportation we are paying. 12:04:32 18 that, we obviously, Golden Spring, need to escalate 12:01:57　18 Q. Does Golden Spring (New York) own any 12:04:35 19 to Mr. Qiang Guo to get approval. 12:02:02　19 Maybach vehicles? 12:04:36 Q. Understood. 12:02:04　A. Oh, I -- I couldn't remember, like, if 12:04:38 And so ifl -- ifl have you correctly, 12:02:05 21　21 Maybach owned by Golden Spring or not. I mean, 12:04:47 22 things like food, clothing, transportation -- those 12:02:08　22 Golden Spring owns a couple of cars. They all 12:04:50 23 things do not require specific approval of 12:02: 15　23 ultimately owned by Mr. Qiang Guo. 12:04:53 24 Mr. Qiang Guo and, in your mind, you can just buy 12:02: 19 25 them for Mr. Kwok without getting his permission. 12:02:26　24 Q. Yeah. I get that 12:04:56 Tell me about the cars that Golden Spring 12:04:57 28 (Pages I 06 - I 09) 1 owns. You just mentioned that there are a couple.　12:04:59　1 BY MR. HARBACH:　12:07:53 \Vhat are they?　12:05:06　2　Q. Sure.　12:07:53 3　A I'm not car person; so I have to find out.　12:05:07　3　A. I do need a lunch break, yeah.　12:07:53 4　Q. Okay. Are they nice cars 7 12:05:11　4　Q. If--ifyouwouldliketotakeabreaknow, 12:07:56 A I cannot tell.　12:05:14　5 that is no problem at all.　12:07:58 6　Q. And you don't know whether one of the cars　12:05:16　6　MR HARBACH: I don't know if Suzanne or　12:08:02 7 that Golden Spring (New Yark) owns is a Maybach; is　12:05:20　7 Jeff who takes us off, but I will suggest reconvening 12:08:03 8 thatright?　12:05:24　8 at -- at 1 :00 o'clock.　12:08:08 9　A. I don't know because this is Mr. M1leson,　12:05:26　9　Is that amenable to folks?　12:08: 10 10 like Mr. Qiang Guo, he purchased directly　12:05:31　10　MR ROSEN: Yes.　12:08: 13 Q. Yeah. 11　12:05:34　11　MR HARBACH: Okay.　12:08:15 A So I'm not -- 12　12:05:35　12　THE VIDEOGRAPHER:　We are going off the　12:08: 16 13　Q. I -- I -- I understand. 12:05:36　13 record.　12:08: 17 14　But I'm asking about Golden Spring　12:05:37　14　The time is 12:08.　12:08: 17 15 (New York).　12.05.40　15　(Luncheon recess taken.)　13:01:33 Okay? 16　12:05:40　16　THE VIDEOGRAPHER:　We are back on the　13:01:33 17　I'm asking about Golden Spring (New York)　12.05.41　17 record.　13:01:36 18 Limited, of which you are the president, treasurer,　12:05 :44　18　The time is 1:01.　13:01 :36 19 secretary, and director. I'm asking if you know　12:05:48　19 BY MR. HARBACH:　13:01:40 20 whether Golden Spring (New Yark) Limited owns　12:05:52　20　Q. Good afternoon, Ms. Wang -- Ms. Wang.　13:01:46 21 a Maybach automobile.　12:05:55　21　One little loose end that has nothing to do　13:01:48 Do you know?　12:05:57　22 with what I was asking you about before lunch.　13:01:53 23　12 05:59 A. I don't recall. I have to find out.　23　Okay? Do you know someone called Yu Yong?　13:01:56 24　Q. Okay. You have also told me that　12:06:02　24 That is Y-u Y-o-n-g.　13:02:02 25 Golden Spnng (New Yark) pays for Mr. Ho Wan Kwok's　12:06:07　25　A. Yes.　13:02:09 Page 110　Page 112 1 transportation; right?　12:06: 13　1　Q. Okay. Who is that person?　13:02:10 A Correct. 2　12:06:15　2　A. I met her in New York before.　13:02:13 3　Q. And that would include transportation by　12:06:16　3　Q. Okay. Do you know what she does for　13:02: 17 4 car; correct?　12:06:20　4 aliving?　13:02:25 A Correct.　12:06:22　5　A. When I met with her, she was working　13:02:26 6　Q. That would include arranging for a leased　12:06:24　6 together with the family also.　13 :02:29 7 vehicle if that is how he wanted to travel; correct?　12:06:32　7　Q. The -- the Guo family?　13:02:30 8　A We pay the gasoline.　12:06:37　8　A. Yes.　13:02:34 9　Q. Yeah. I heard that I'm just trying to　12:06:42　9　Q. With whom specifically?　13:02:35 10 figure out who owns the vehicle, Ms. Wang.　12:06:45　10　A. With Mr. Qiang Guo.　13:02:38 11　Do you know whether Golden Spring (New York) 12:06:49　11　Q. Anyone else?　13:02:44 12 Limited has rented or leased a Maybach in order to　12:06:52　12　A. I believe with -- with Mr. Qiang Guo's　13:02:45 13 transport Mr. Ho Wan Kwok? Do you know?　12:06:57　13 father together --　13:02:49 A I don't know. 14　12:07:02　14　Q. And--　13:02:51 15　MR HARBACH: So Mr. -- Mr. Rosen, I'll take 12:07:10　15　A. -- but I don't have the details.　13:02:52 16 the witness up on her offer to get back to us on the　12 :07: 15　16　Q. Okay. And approximately when was that that　13:02:54 17 types of cars that Golden Spring (New York) owns,　12:07: 19　17 you met her?　13:02:57 18 and, in particular, whether they own any Maybach　12:07:24　18　A. 2015.　13:02:58 19 automobiles, if that is okay with you.　12:07:28　19　Q. Okay. Thank you.　13:03:01 20　MR ROSEN: We'll take it under advisement.　12:07:31　20　A new subject.　13:03:04 21　MR. HARBACH: Okay.　12:07:33　21　Who set up Golden Spring (New York) Limited? 13:03:07 22　MR ROSEN: Your request is -- is noted.　12:07:33　22　A. In my understanding, it was set up by　13:03:13 23　MR. HARBACH: All right Thank you.　12:07:38　23 Mr. Qiang Guo.　13:03:19 25 I mean, it is 12:00.　THE WITNESS: Sir, can we have a break? 12:07:51　12:07:49　24　Q. Who -- when you say it is your 25 understanding, do you know that or did somebody tell　13:03:20　13 :03 :23 29 (Pages 110 - 113) 1 you that? 13 :03 :26　1 MR. ROSEN: Objection. What is the -- what 13:06:44 A. This is I learned afterwards. I believe 13:03:27　2 is the relevance of this, David? 13:06:46 3 there will be --there will be law firms supporting 13:03:31　MR. HARBACH: I'm trying to explore the 13:06:49 4 by him, but he set up the company. 13:03:34　4 witness' most recent answer about the business 13:06:52 Q. Why did he set up the company? 13:03:37　5 purpose of Golden Spring. She said that he -- that 13:06:55 A. I got to know later on -- not, like, when he 13:03:39　6 he, Qiang Guo, created it to do X, Y, and Z. And I'm 13:06: 59 7 set up the company -- he was trying to do business 13:03:46　7 trying to inquire about how long he was actually in 13:07:05 8 outside of China, like, mainly in the U.S. here. 13:03:50　8 the country after Golden Spring was created. That is 13:07:09 Q. What sort of business? 13:03:54　9 why I'm asking. 13:07:12 A. Like, business related to real estate, 13:03:56 10　10 MR. ROSEN: Just note for the record that we 13:07:13 11 investment -- like a diversified business. 13:04:02　11 are all here in different locations at this 13:07: 14 Q. Okay. Who funded Golden Spring (New York) 13 :04:06 12　12 deposition. And in today's world where your -- where 13:07: 18 13 when it was created? 13:04:11　13 your seat is doesn't necessarily mean a whole lot. 13:07:23 A. I learned afterwards Mr. Qiang Guo, he 13:04:12　14 But with that said, I would instruct the 13 :07:26 15 arranged the fund -- fund the Golden Spring. 13:04:22　15 witness to answer. 13:07:29 Q. When you say he arranged it, do you mean 13:04:26 16　16 BY MR. HARBACH: 13:07:30 17 that he, himself, provided the money? 13:04:29　17 Q. The --the question was when-- or how long 13:07:30 A. Hmmm. No. 13:04:34 18　18 has Mr. Qiang Guo lived in the UK. 13:07:36 He arranged via his -- another company. 13:04:35 19　A. For years. I mean-- 13:07:40 20 I believe it is called Bravo Luck. 13:04:40　20 Q. Are you finished with your answer? 13:07:51 Q. I see. 13:04:44 21　You said for years, maybe? 13:08:03 And so your understanding is that the money 13:04:45　22 A. My -- my answer was not four, f-o-u-r, as 13:08:04 23 that funded Golden Spring (New York) Limited when it 13:04:48　23 years. This is my answer. 13:08:04 24 was created came from Bravo Luck? 13:04:55　24 Q. All right. 13:08:04 A. That is what I learned. 13:05:00　25 A. I don't know how many, yeah. 13:08:06 Page 114　Page 116 Q. From whom? 13:05:01　1 Q. You don't know how many years? 13:08:06 A. From Mr. Qiang Guo. 13:05:03 2　A. Correct. 13:08:08 Q. Have you ever spoken to Mr. Ho Wan Kwok 13:05:05　Q. Could it be more than ten years? 13:08:09 4 about Bravo Luck? 13:05: 10　A. I don't think so. 13:08:11 A. Hmmm. I don't recall. 13:05: 13　Q. How long, if -- if you know, how long after 13:08: 13 Q. Have you ever spoken to Mr. Ho Wan Kwok 13:05: 16　6 Golden Spring (New York) Limited was created did 13:08:24 7 about the source of money that was used to fund 13:05:20　7 Mr. Guo -- Qiang Guo move to the UK? 13:08:28 8 Golden Spring (New York) Limited when it was created? 13:05:24 8　A. I cannot recall. 13:08:34 A. No. 13:05:28　9 Q. All right. Do you know -- what can you tell 13:08:40 I don't recall I did that. 13:05:30 10　10 us about what Golden Spring (New York) Limited has 13:08:47 II Q. Do you know how Bravo Luck got the money 13:05:34　11 done to advance the business purposes you just 13:08:50 12 that you say funded Golden Spring (New York) Limited? 13:05:41 12 described?　13:08:55 A. I don't know. 13:05:44 13　A. Mr. Qiang Guo was in the United States in 13:08:55 Q. What is -- what was Golden Spring 13:05:47　14 2015, and then he travels a lot also. And, 13:09:05 15 (New York)'s business purpose when it was created? 13:05:54　15 obviously, he set up the company, and then we develop 13:09:12 A. Oh, Golden Spring was created as a family 13:05:57 16　16 business structure and plan from there; so that is 13:09:16 17 office owned by Mr. Qiang Guo; so Mr. Qiang Guo was　13:06:04 17 still his direction, which we have been doing until 13:09:22 18 planning, as I said, to develop and expand the 13:06:09　18 his father started to do his whistle-blower moment. 13:09:28 19 business in the United States, including, like, as 13:06:14　19 Q. What was the business plan in the beginning? 13:09:33 20 I said, investment, real estate, and the business 13:06:21　20 A. Investment. 13:09:37 21 he -- he was doing by then. 13:06:25　Q. Okay. In, I believe, you mentioned real 13:09:41 Q. Where does Mr. Qiang Guo live today? What 13:06:28　22 estate. 13:09:48 23 country? 13:06:33　23 What else? 13:09:48 A. He lives in UK. 13:06:38 Q. How long has he lived there? 13:06:41　24 A. We started from real estate. There was real 13:09:49 25 estate, like, investment. 13:09:53 30 (Pages 114 - 117) Q. Okay. So any other business purpose, 13:09:54　I'd object on the -- on the grounds that I'm 13:13:18 2 besides investing money? 13:09:57　2 not sure that your use of the word client is -- is 13: 13:23 3　A. And operate as a family office in New York 13: 10:00　3 being understood. 13:13:25 4 here to support other family projects. 13:10:09　Could you clarify that, please? 13:13:25 5　Q. Okay. You have mentioned earlier the 13:10:15　MR. HARBACH: Sure. 13:13:29 6 support of Mr. Ho Wan Kwok. 13:10:19　6 BY MR. HARBACH: 13: 13:32 7　What other family projects has Golden Spring 13: 10:23　7 Q. Ms. Wang, do you know what I mean by the 13: 13:33 8 (New York) Limited supported? 13:10:27　8 word client? 13:13:36 9　A. Including their project -- real estate. 13:10:29　A. Client means that you offer services to get 13:13:39 10 Like, including, like, interviews and handouts. The 13:10:39　10 paid. 13:13:43 11 architecture, designer, like, real estate-related 13:10:45 Q. Okay. A moment ago you said that the client 13: 13 :44 12 vendors, and then we, like, facilitate and coordinate 13:10:50　12 of Golden Spring (New York) Limited was the family. 13:13:51 13 by them. 13:10:54　Did you mean that in the sense that you just 13: 13: 5 5 14　Q. IsGoldenSpring(NewYork)Limiteda-- 13:10:55　14 described, or did you mean that in a different way? 13: 13:59 15 afor-profitenterprise? 13:10:59　A. I mean the client is the Guo family. 13:14:02 16　A. It is. 13: 11 :03　16 I mean, they -- they are, as I testified before, 13:14:06 17　Q. And what is its source of income? 13:11:03　17 like, a hundred family member. They all could be our 13: 14:12 18　A. Source of income? I mean, we are 13:11:08　18 clients. They are all business people. 13:14:15 19　a for-profit company, but we are not turning to, 13: 11: 16　19 Q. Okay. 13:14:18 20 like, make revenue yet; so the source of income is 13:11:23　A. So as a client of Golden Spring, which 13:14:19 21 supposed to be, like, a -- we build up the project 13:11:26　21 I mean. 13:14:22 22 under the family plan, and then we start to make 13:11:31　Q. Okay. Doyoumeanthatmembersofthe 13:14:23 23 profit from those projects -- investment projects. 13: 11 :36　23 family pay Golden Spring? 13:14:25 24　Q. Okay. So the -- the company invests money 13: 11 :40　A. I mean if Golden Spring offered a service 13:14:31 25 and hopes to make money from investments. 13: 11 :43　25 and then helped them to invest successfully, yes. 13: 14:34 Page 118　Page 120 1　Is that it? 13: 11:47　1 Golden Spring would be paid. 13:14:39 2　A. That's part of the source of income, yes. 13:11:48　Q. Okay. So now my question is is 13:14:40 3 Planned. 13:11:52　3 Mr.HoWanKwokpartofthefamilythatisaclient 13:14:45 4　Q. Does the -- does the company, Golden Spring 13:11:52　13:14:50 4 of Golden Spring (New York) Limited? 5 (New York) Limited, have any clients? Or is it just 13:11:57　MR. ROSEN: Objection to form. 13:14:54 6 the family? 13:12:01　It -- the -- is your question is he 13:14:58 7　A. I mean, family office typically, to our 13: 12:02　7 individually a client? Because what you asked is is 13:15:01 8 understanding, is support and serve for the family 13: 12:08　8 he part of the family that is a client. 13:15:05 9 business; so our clients are the family. 13: 12: 13　MR. HARBACH: Well, I'm sorry for-- for-- 13:15:08 10　Q. Okay. And that includes Mr. Ho Wan Kwok, 13:12:15　10 I'm really not meaning to be confusing. 13:15:11 11 does it not? 13:12:20　11 BY MR. HARBACH: 13:15:14 12　A. He is the person -- the owner of the company 13: 12:21　12 Q. I understood, Ms. Wang, you to say a moment 13:15:14 13 requesting Golden Spring to support; so Golden Spring 13: 12:28　13 ago that the family -- which is composed of numerous 13: 15: 17 14 does not, like, plan or, like, having profit from his 13:12:31　14 people, you said. 13:15:22 15 father, which, like, we didn'tthinkaboutthatand 13:12:39　Thatthe family is a client of Golden Spring 13:15:22 16 how; right? 13:12:43　16 (New York) Limited; is that correct? 13: 15:26 17　Q. Well,youjustsaidamomentagothat 13:12:45　17 A. The family and their family member who are 13:15:29 18 Golden Spring (New York) limited's clients was the 13: 12:47　18 the business people; correct? 13: 15:36 19 family. And I ask you if that included 13:12:58　They are the Golden Spring's clients. Of 13:15:37 20 Mr. Ho Wan Kwok. 13: 13:00　20 course, I don't mean that like in the minor kids; 13:15:40 21　The reason I asked that question is because 13: 13:01　21 right? 13:15:44 22 Mr. Ho Wan Kwok is a member of the family, is he not? 13:13:04 22　So I made that very clear. 13:15:44 23　A. So this is my answer. Golden Spring -- 13:13:09　Q. Is Mr. Ho Wan Kwok a member of that family? 13: 15:46 24　MR. ROSEN: Hold off answering, please, just 13:13:15　A. He is one of the family member, yes. 13:15:50 25 for a second. 13: 13: 18　25 Q. To your knowledge, has Mr. Ho Wan Kwok ever 13:15:53 31 (Pages 118 - 121) 1 contributed or paid any money to Golden Spnng 2 (New York) Limited? 3 A. No. 4 To my knowledge. 13:16:11 13:16:13 13:16:16 13:16:06 5 Q. To your knowledge, has any business 13:16:17 6 organization that 1Ar. Ho Wan Kwok owns or controls 13:16:26 7 ever contributed any money to Golden Spring 13:16:32 8 (New Yark) Limited? l\1R. ROSEN: Objection. You can answer the question. 13:16:36 13:16:39 13:16:40 9 10 11 TI-IE WITNESS: To my knowledge, no. 13:16:42 12 BY l\1R. HARBACH 13:16:45 13 Q. And you -- as the treasurer of Golden Spring 13: 16:49 14 (New York) Limited, would that be something you would 13:16:53 15 expect to know ifit had happened? 16 A. Since I was -- 17 l\1R. ROSEN. Object. 18 You can answer. 13.16.56 13:16:59 13.17.03 13:17:04 19 TI-IE WITNESS: Since I was appointed of 13:17:07 20 treasurer of Golden Spring, I didn't see any money 13:17: 11 21 come from Mr. Ho Wan Kwok And Golden Spring doesn't 13:17:13 22 look at him as a client; so he is a family member, 13: 17: 17 23 butheisnotourkindoflikeprospectiveclient. 13:17:21 24 He is the owner. He is the father of the owner, 13:17:25 25 like, it -- that's our understandmg. I BY MR. HARBACH: 2 Q. He, in fact, is the owner, isn't he, 3 Ms. Wang? MR. ROSEN: Objection. 13:17:31 13: 17:32 13:17:33 13:17:36 13: 17:37 Page 122 4 5 THE WITNESS: He is not the owner at all. 13: 17:38 6 BY MR. HARBACH: 13: 17:42 7 Q. Were you an employee or a director or 13:17:46 8 officer of Golden Spring at the time that it was 13:17:53 9 created? 13: 17:56 10 A You mean back to 2015, sir? 13:18:00 II Q. Yes. 13:18:04 12 A No. 13:18:05 13 Q. Returning to my question about Golden Spring 13: 18:06 14 (New York) Limited's source of income, is there 13:18:16 15 anything else in that category, other than returns on 13: 18:22 16 investment? 13: 18:26 17 A What do you mean? Like any other source of 13: 18:28 18 income besides what I reply to you before? 13:18:38 19 Q. Yes. 13:18:41 20 A Okay. So that would be our major source of 13:18:42 21 income. Like, a family office -- I mean, in my 13: 18:45 13:18:58 2 else. I'm asking you whether there was anything 13:19:00 3 4 5 A. As far as I know, like, that is all I know. 13: 19:03 Q. Okay. 13:19:08 A. That is the plan. I mean, as a family 13:19:09 6 office -- right? -- we are supposed to do investment 13: 19: 12 7 and make revenue -- make revenue. I mean, I am not 13:19: 15 8 a law firm. I am not other, you know, service 13:19:18 9 company. And then any other source of income 13:19:20 10 I should be expect. 13: 19:22 11 Q. Does Golden Spring (New York) Limited have 13: 19:24 12 any bank accounts? 13:19:28 13 A. You are asking which time apparent, sir? 13: 19:30 14 Q. I'm asking currently. 13:19:41 15 A. Yes. 13:19:43 16 Q. How many? 13:19:43 17 A. One. 13: 19:46 18 Q. At which bank? 13:19:52 19 MR. ROSEN: Objection. There are security 13:19:55 20 issues involved here, and we're -- I understand that 13:19:59 21 Golden Spring's bank accounts have been shut down as 13:20:06 22 part of what has been described to me as a harassment 13:20:09 23 scheme; so I would ask at this point not to 13:20: 13 24 disclose --the witness not to disclose the location 13:20:16 25 of the bank account 13:20:19 Page 124 MR. HARBACH: Okay. Scott, I'm not meaning 13:20:20 2 to disregard your instruction. I'm going to ask 13:20:25 3 another question, and if you want to include this 13:20:28 4 under your objection, please do. But I'm going to 13:20:31 5 ask this one. 6 BY MR. HARBACH: 13:20:34 13:20:35 7 Q. Ms. Wang, is Golden Spring (New York)'s bank 13:20:35 8 account with a U.S. bank? 9 A. Yes. 13:20:38 13:20:42 10 Q. What is the approximate current balance in 13:20:43 11 that account? 13:20:54 12 A. I mean, for the safety, same reason. I am 13:20:57 13 very hesitant to tell you because PAX already, like, 13:21:05 14 harassed all Golden Spring's bank account. 13:21:09 15 16 17 So we are talking about DIP loan; right? 13:21:14 Q. Well, yeah. 13:21:18 You know the reasons that the -- that the 13 :21: 19 18 deposition has been noticed, and I'm not going to get 13:21:21 19 into a debate with you about whether the question is 13 :21 :26 20 proper. 13:21:28 21 My question is what is the approximate 13:21:30 22 understanding you already do investment; so when you 13: 18:51 22 balance in Golden Spring's one bank account in the 13:21:33 23 investment, you get revenue, and then we got paid, 13:18:54 23 United States? 13:21:38 24 and so we got 25 Q. I understand that. 13:18:57 13:18:57 24 MR. ROSEN: I'm going to object and would 13:21:41 25 like, ifit is acceptable to counsel, to take a short 13:21:44 Page 123 Page 125 32 (Pages 122 - 125) 1 recess to discuss this with my client. 13:21:50　1 finance department, they are doing that. 13:36:34 MR. HARBACH: Of course. No problem at all. 13:21:52 2　2 Q. Well, you are the treasurer; right? 13:36:37 THE VIDEOGRAPHER: We are going off the 13:21:55　3 MR. ROSEN: Excuse me. I thought this was 13:36:40 4 record. 13:21:56　4 questions setting aside the bank account. The 13 :36:42 The time is 1 :21. 13:21 :56 5　5 question was what is -- what are the values of the 13:36:45 (Short recess taken.) 13:22:00 6　6 liquid assets, setting aside the bank account. 13:36:47 THE VIDEOGRAPHER: We are back on the 13:33:59 7　7 MR. HARBACH: Yeah. I meant -- and I can't 13:36:50 8 record. 13:34:01　8 believe I said -- if! didn't, I'm mistaken. I meant 13 :36: 53 The time is 1:34. 13:34:01　9 the identity ofthe bank. I'm not -- I'm not 13:36:56 MR. HARBACH: Scott, did you want to put 13:34:06　10 interested in getting the identification of the bank. 13:36:59 11 anything on the record here or no? 13:34: 11　11 I'm just trying to figure out how much money 13:37:02 MR. ROSEN: No. 13:34: 14 12　12 Golden Spring (New York) Limited has. That's it. 13:37:05 I did not need to put anything on the 13:34: 15 13　13 BY MR. HARBACH: 13:37:02 14 record. 13:34:18　14 Q. How much money does the company have? Do 13:37: 11 15 BY MR. HARBACH: 13:34:18　15 you know? 13:37: 13 Q. Okay. Ms. Wang, did you speak with anyone 13:34: 19 16　A. The money enough to support all of the daily 13:37: 14 17 else during the break, besides your lawyer? 13:34:21　17 operation. 13:37:18 A I only talked with Mr. Scott Rosen. 13:34:23　18 Q. Are you -- are you unwilling to tell me how 13:37: 18 Q. Okay. Thank you. 13 :34:25　19 much money Golden Spring has or do you not know how 13:37:2\$ The pending question before the break was 13:34:26　20 much money Golden Spring has? 13:37:27 21 what is the approximate balance in Golden Spring 13:34:31　MR.ROSEN: Yeah. 1--Ihavetoobject 13:37:29 22 (New York) Limited's one U.S. bank account? 13:34:37　22 here. There are concerns about the integrity and 13:37:31 MR. ROSEN: I'm going to object and instruct 13:34:45 23　23 usability of Golden Spring's assets in light of 13:37:36 24 the witness not to answer that specific question 13:34:47　24 creditor activity that has been conducted by PAX; so 13:37:41 25 because of Golden Spring's concerns about maintaining 13:34:50　25 these are --these are sensitive issues. If-- if 13:37:46 Page 126　Page 128 I the integrity and usability of the bank account in 13:34:54　I you want to get to questions about where is the loan 13:37:50 2 light of credits' rights actions that have been taken 13:34:58　2 proceeds going to come from, then we can -- we can 13:37:52 3 by -- by PAX. 13:35:03　3 certainly go there. But with respect to its current 13:37:56 4 BY MR. HARBACH: 13:35:05　4 assets, at this point the credit just -- just 13:38:00 Q. Leaving aside the identity of the bank, 13:35:06　5 outweighs any -- any -- any relevancy. 13:38:06 6 approximately how much value in liquid assets does 13:35:11　MR.HARBACH: 1--Ithinklunderstandyour 13:38:10 7 Golden Spring (New York) Limited own? 13:35:20　7 objection, and rather than engage it fully, I will 13:38: 13 A Golden Spring as -- I mean, enough funds to 13:35:23　8 just note that we strongly disagree. But if you are 13:38: 16 9 support Golden Spring, the operation. I mean, we 13 :35 :33　9 instructing the witness not to answer, I'll try and 13:38:20 10 don't have cash flow issue, so 13:35:37　10 move on. 13:38:23 Q. All right. And your judgment about what 13:35:40 11　MR. ROSEN: Thank you. 13:38:24 12 might be a cash flow issue and our judgment about 13:35:44　12 BY MR. HARBACH: 13:38:26 13 what might be a cash flow issue and Judge Manning's 13:35:48　Q. Approximately how much profit did 13:38:32 14 judgment about what might be a cash flow issue could 13:35:54　14 Golden Spring (New York) make in the last year? 13:38:35 15 be three very different things. 13:35:57 A. Because of the -- the entire, like, PAX -- 13:38:41 And so that is why I'm asking approximately 13:35:59 16　16 right?-- this case, I mean, PAX obviously subpoenaed 13:38:49 17 how much money in liquid assets does Golden Spring 13 :36:03　17 all Golden Spring's bank. And then in my 13:38:53 18 (New York) Limited own? 13:36:09　18 understanding, my console device, like, PAX didn't 13:38:57 A The balance is changing every day because 13:36: 12　19 get anything; so -- because PAX specifically hurt our 13:39:01 20 things happen every day; so I don't want to 13:36: 19　20 bank relationship in the last year, as you said, 13:39:05 21 speculate. Obviously, I did not check the bank 13:36:22　21 I mean, we didn't make profit last year. 13:39:07 22 balance right now; so I cannot say. 13:36:25　22 Q. You did not make a profit last year? 13:39:10 Q. What -- what -- when -- when was the last 13:36:27　23 A. Correct. 13:39: 14 24 time you checked the balance? 13:36:29　24 MR. ROSEN: Objection. 13:39: 16 A I don't recall. It is the financial -- 13:36:30 25　25 Ill 33 (Pages 126 - 129) 1 BY MR. HARBACH: 13:39:17　1 Q. Okay. Do you know what DIP stands for? 13:42:19 Q. Was there a -- was there a loss of -- of-- 13:39:18　2 A. Yes. 13:42:27 3 there was a loss of approximately how much last year? 13:39:20　3 Q. What does it stand for? 13:42:29 4 Do you understand the question? 13:39:33　A. It is a DIP loan displaying between -- 13:42:31 A. Of course. 13:39:34 5　5 I mean, I'm not a lawyer; right? 13:42:42 Q. So what is -- 13:39:37 6　It is a loan between the lender and the 13:42:43 A. But I don't know why it is related to this 13:39:38 7　7 debtor. 13:42:48 8 as well. It is sensitive information, which I have 13:39:42　Q. Thirty seconds ago you said to me that you 13:42:49 9 to keep it. 13:39:44　9 know what DIP stands for. It is okay if you don't. 13:42:53 Q. You are -- so you are -- you are -- you are 13:39:45 10　10 I'm just asking for an honest answer. 13:43:00 11 unwilling to answer what the size of Golden Spring 13:39:46　Do you know what DIP stands for? It is an 13 :43:04 12 (New York) Limited's loss was last year; is that 13:39:51　12 acronym. 13:43:09 13 right? 13:39:57　A. It is a loan. It is a loan. That's my 13:43:09 MR. ROSEN: Objection. This is not an asset 13:39:57　14 answer. 13:43:13 15 disclosure deposition for Golden Spring. And -- and 13:40:01　Q. Okay. It stands for debtor in possession. 13:43:13 16 in light of the pending litigation that is already 13:40:03　16 Okay? 13:43:17 17 out there, questions like this are overstepping what 13:40:05　It is not a secret, but -- I'll keep going. 13:43:19 18 the scope of this deposition is supposed to be, 13:40:09　Who made the request to Golden Spring 13 :43:26 19 which, again, this is a contested matter in 13:40:11　19 (New York) for debtor-in-possession financing that is 13:43:32 20 a bankruptcy case for a DIP loan, which is being 13:40: 15　20 at issue here? 13:43:37 21 granted on a fully subordinated basis; so that's -- 13 :40: 19　A. The owner of Golden Spring (New York). 13:43:39 22 that is what we are here today on, not asset 13:40:23　Q. The owner of Golden Spring (New York) made 13:43:44 23 disclosure. 13:40:27　23 a request to Golden Spring (New York) for DIP 13:43:52 MR. HARBACH: Is that an instruction not to 13:40:34　24 financing? Is that your testimony? 13:43:57 25 answer, Scott? 13:40:36 Page 130　25 A. I don't understand your question. 13:44:00 MR. ROSEN: Yes, it is. 13:40:37　Q. Whoaskedfortheloan? I 13:44:05 2 BY MR. HARBACH: 13:40:39　A. I was not involved in this loan negotiation. 13:44:10 Q. Who made the requests to Golden Spring 13:40:39 3　Q. Do you know who made the request for the 13:44:15 4 (New York) for debtor-in-possession financing? 13:40:42　4 loan? 13:44:20 A. I -- can I ask a translator to help me 13:40:47 5　A. I was not involved in the negotiation of 13:44:22 6 understand this question? 13:40:53　6 this loan. I just got instruction and advice from 13 :44:28 Q. Of course. 13:40:55 7　7 the owner of Golden Spring. 13:44:32 MR. HARBACH: Ms. Johnston, I'll repeat it. 13:40:56 8　Q. Okay. Is the answer to this question -- is 13:44:34 Who made the request to Golden Spring 13:41:00 9　9 the answer to my question you don't know? 13:44:39 10 (New York) Limited for debtor-in-possession 13:41:02　10 A. I was not involved. 13:44:41 11 financing? 13:41:09　Q. You know what? Let's use the interpreter. 13 :44:42 THE INTERPRETER: (Interprets question.) 13:41:42 12　MR. HARBACH: Ms. Johnston, can you -- well, 13:44:48 THE CHECK INTERPRETER: Can the check 13　13 :41 :42 13 let's do it this way. 13:44:53 14 interpreter help with that term? 13:41:45　14 BY MR. HARBACH: 13:44:57 THE INTERPRETER: Sure. 13:41:48 15　Q. Do you know who made the request to 13:44:57 THE WITNESS: From the interpreter 13:41:55 16　16 Golden Spring (New York) Limited for the loan that is 13:44:59 17 understanding, it is debtor's loan; right? Debtor's 13:41:57　17 the subject of today's deposition? 13:45:03 18 position. Debtor's loan. 13:42:01　18 A. I don't have personal knowledge. 13:45:09 19 BY MR. HARBACH: 13:42:01　Q. Has anyone told you who made the loan-- who 13:45:11 Q. Well, Ms. -- Ms. Wang, on several occasions 13:42:01　20 made the request for the loan that is the subject of 13:45: 19 21 today you have pointed out to me that we are here to 13: 42 :03　21 today's deposition? 13:45:22 22 talk about a DIP loan. 13:42:09　22 A. Has anyone told me? 13:45:24 Do you know what a DIP loan is? 13:42:10　23 Q. Well, you said you didn't have personal 13:45:31 A. Yes. 13:42:15　24 knowledge. 13:45:33 It is a loan between the debtor and lender. 13:42: 16 Page 131　25 A. Yes. 13:45:35 34 (Pages 130 - 133) Q. And I know what that -- and I know what that 13:45:35　1 A. Golden Spring has been the litigation 13:48:49 2 means.　2 funding for Mr. Qiang Guo's father, I mean, for 13:45:39　13:48:56 So I am asking you whether you have ever 13:45:39 3　3 several years. Mr. Qiang Guo made the decision, 13:49:01 4 learned from anyone else who made the request for the 13 :45 :42　4 given the short time apparent. As the president of 13:49:05 5 loan that is the subject of today's deposition.　5 the company, I am aligned with that, and he knew and 13:45:45　13:49:09 A. I heard this from Mr. Qiang Guo about his 13:45:53 6　6 he knows I am going to align with that. 13:49:13 7 DIP loan. 13:45:58　Q. I see. 13:49:15 Q. Who did he say requested the DIP loan?　A. So no need -- 13:45:59　13:49:16 8　8 A. He mentioned his father -- his father's　Q. And is that -- 13 :46:05　13:49:16 9　9 10 attorney.　A. No need to argue that, yeah, if that is what 13:49: 17 13:46:16　10 Q. Do you recall that attorney's name? 13:46:17 11　11 you are looking for. 13:49:20 A. I don't recall. He didn't tell me, and　12 12　Q. I'm -- I'm -- I'm -- you know, I'm not 13:46:20　13:49:21 13 I don't recall.　13 trying to argue with you. I'm just trying to 13:46:23　13:49:22 Q. When was that request made, if you know? 13:46:24　14 understand what happened. 13:49:25 A. In March.　And so how about this? 13:46:33　13:49:28 15　15 Q. Of what year?　16 13:46:41　You understand that litigation funding in 16　13:49:31 A. Of this year. 13:46:43　17 the past that Golden Spring may have provided to 13 :49:37 Q. Were you -- as president, secretary, 13:46:45 18　18 Mr. Ho Wan Kwok is different from the DIP loan that 13:49:46 19 treasurer, and director of Golden Spring (New York)　19 we are talking about today? You understand that 13:46:53　13:49:49 20 Limited -- involved in the decision about whether to　20 those are two different things; right? 13 :46: 58　13:49:51 21 provide DIP financing to the debtor? 13:47:03　A. Correct. 13:49:54 A. I was advised by Mr. Qiang Guo afterwards.　22 22　Q. Okay. And so I would like to focus just on 13:47:06　13:49:54 23 That was a quite short time period. And he handled;　23 the DIP loan and not litigation financing that may 13:47:16　13:49:58 24 so the answer to you is I was not involved.　24 have occurred in the past. 13:47:24　13:50:03 25　25 Q. Were you consulted by Mr. Guo --　Do you understand? 13:47:27　13:50:05 Page 134　Page 136 I Mr. Qiang Guo on the decision about whether 13:47:32　A. Yes. 13:50:06 I 2 Golden Spring (New York) would agree to provide DIP 13:47:36　Q. Okay. And so do I have it right that 13:50:10 3 financing to the debtor here? 13:47:40　3 according to you, the decision about whether to agree 13:50: 13 A. What do you mean, consulted? 13:47:42　4 to the DIP loan for the debtor was Mr. Qiang Guo's 13:50:20 Q. Do you know what consulted means? 13:47:45　5 decision? Correct? 13:50:27 A. Of course I know.　A. He made a decision, obviously on behalf of 6　6 13:47:48　13:50:34 Q. Okay. So were you consulted by 13:47:49　7 Golden Spring, and he is the owner of the company. 13:50:41 8 Mr. Qiang Guo about the decision on whether　8 And we're aligned. 13:47:53　13:50:43 9 Golden Spring (New York) would agree to provide DIP 13:47:59　9 Q. Okay. And you are the president, and all 13:50:45 10 financing to the debtor?　10 those other titles, of Golden Spring (New York) 13:48:03　13:50:49 II A. You mean he -- when he was making the 13:48:05　11 Limited; correct? 13:50:52 12 decision? 13:48:08　A. Correct. 13:50:58 Q. Well, we're going to get to who made the　13 13:48:09　Q. Have you ever disagreed with Mr. Qiang Guo 13　13:50:59 14 decision. I'm trying to figure out whether you were　14 about a decision that he has made? 13:48:14　13:51:02 15 involved and, ifso, how. You told me a couple of 13:48:18　A. Yes, of course. 13:51:03 16 minutes ago that you were not involved with the　16 13:48:23　Q. Okay. And did he solicit your agreement for 13:51:06 17 decision.　17 this decision? 13:48:25　13:51:08 I'm asking if Mr. Qiang Guo spoke to you　18 18　A. For this DIP loan decision, you mean? 13:48:26　13:51:09 19 about the decision. 13:48:30　19 Q. Uh-huh. 13:51:13 20　20 A. Yes.　A. No. 13:48:33　13:51:14 He spoke to me about the decision.　Why? 13:48:34　13:51:19 21　21 22　22 Q. Before he made it or after?　Q. He just -- he told you -- 13:48:36　13:51:20 23　23 A. After.　A. Why? 13:48:40　13:51:21 Q. And am I right that the decision was his, 13:48:41　24 Q. He told you -- he told you about it after he 13:51:22 25 not yours? Correct?　25 had made a decision; correct? 13:48:47　13:51:24 35 (Pages 134 - 137) 1　A. He briefed me what happened. 13:51:26　1 Do you talk to him twenty times a day? 13:54: 16 2　Q. What did he tell you? 13:51:30　2 A. Obviously not. 13:54:19 3　A. About this DIP loan, and then he didn't have 13:51 :31　Q. Well, it is not obvious because you won't 13:54:20 4 enough time within the short limit of time. He took 13:51:38　4 answer the question. 13:54:22 5 care of that. 13:51:42　How often do you speak to him? 13:54:23 6　Q. Okay. 13:51:43　MR. ROSEN: Objection. 13:54:27 7　A. So he always advise me with something in the 13:51:44　THE WITNESS: As needed. 13:54:28 8 short limit of time or urgency kind of like it. 13:51:47　MR. ROSEN: Counsel, please specify a time 13:54:29 9　Q. Okay. 13:51:51　9 frame. 13:54:32 10　A. And then he took it like that. He briefed 13:51:52　10 MR. HARBACH: Sure. 13:54:33 11 me. That's it. 13:51:56　11 BY MR. HARBACH: 13:54:34 12　Q. Okay. And I will ask you one more time what 13:51 :57　Q. From the moment you learned about the DIP 13:54:34 13 he said when he briefed you, and then I'll -- I'll 13:52:01　13 loan from some attorney until today, how frequently 13:54:37 14 try this another way. 13:52:04　14 have you spoken with Mr. Kwok Ho Wan? 13:54:44 15　A. Okay. 13:52:06　15 A. Oh, I think I met him, like, more than 13:54:51 16　Q. What did he say when he briefed you, if you 13:52:06　16 a week ago -- a week ago. 13:54:55 17 remember? I mean, this was, what, a month ago? 13:52:09　17 Q. Okay. That's one time. 13:54:58 18　A. So what are you asking about? Like, when 13: 5 2: 14　18 Any other times you can think of? 13:55:04 19 the brief happened or the DIP loan happened, sir? 13:52:16　19 A. I don't recall. 13:55:07 20　Q. Fifteen seconds ago you told me a couple of 13:52: 18　20 Q. On that one occasion that you do recall, did 13:55:10 21 times that Mr. Qiang Guo briefed you. 13:52:22　21 you discuss the DIP loan with Mr. Ho Wan Kwok? 13:55:15 22　Do you remember that? 13:52:26　22 A. No. 13:55: 19 23　A. Yes. 13:52:27　23 Q. When you saw Mr. Kwok most recently-- you 13:55:40 24　Q. What did he say when he briefed you? 13:52:28　24 said it was about a week ago -- was that in the 13:55:45 25　A. He said he retained attorney and worked 13:52:32　25 Golden Spring (New York) offices? 13:55:48 Page 138　Page 140 I together with the lenders' attorney and then -- to 13:52:45　A. Yes. 13:55:52 I 2 take care of the DIP loan. And that is what he told 13:52:48　Q. Okay. Do you recall what you did discuss 13:55:52 3 me. 13:52:53　2 3 with him on that occasion? 13:55:56 4　Q. Okay. Was that the first time you had heard 13:52:53　A. We just -- like, I send my regards, like, 13:55:58 5 about the DIP loan? 13:52:57　5 social. 13:56:09 6　13:52:59 A. No.　And he asked, are you doing good; right? 13:56:10 7　Q. Who was the first person you heard about it 13:53:01　7 So that's it, yeah. 13:56:13 8 from? 13:53:05　8 We chat -- and he chat whether I am safe, 13:56:14 9　A. I heard from the attorneys -- our attorneys. 13:53:06　9 and I did the same. That's it. We didn't -- we 13:56: 17 10　Q. Okay. Before this conversation with 13:53:10　10 didn't chat about other stuff. I don't -- we didn't. 13:56:20 11 Qiang Guo? 13:53: 13　Q. Okay. And that was it, just -- just, like, 13:56:23 12　A. Correct. Yes. 13:53:14　12 hi, how are you, that sort of thing? 13:56:26 13　Q. Have you ever spoken with Mr. Ho Wan Kwok 13:53:23　A. Yes. 13:56:29 14 about the DIP loan ever? 13:53:26　14 Obviously he was here, I believe, like, 13:56:29 15　A. I don't recall. 13:53:29　15 meeting his attorneys. And I -- because this is my 13:56:33 16　Q. Is it possible that you have? 13:53:32　16 office; so I arranged the office, like, you know, 13:56:39 17　A. Unlikely. I don't recall. 13:53:36　17 like, take care of them; like, you know, arrange 13:56:44 18　Q. How often do you speak with Mr. Ho Wan Kwok? 13:53:48 18 their food and coffee, those kinds of stuff; so my　13:56:46 19　A. Oh, we meet as needed. 13:53:51　19 office did that for them. 13:56:49 20　Q. A few times a week? 13:53:56　20 Q. Your office or you? 13:56:51 21　A. As needed. 13:54:00　A. My office. I instructed my office to do 13:56:52 22　Q. More or less than a few times a week? 13:54:02　22 that. 13:56:58 23　A. As needed. 13:54:07　23 Q. Okay. You have -- in your capacity as 13:56:58 24　Q. I mean, as needed could be twenty times 13:54:11　24 president and so forth of Golden Spring --you know 13:57: 16 25 a day, Ms. Wang. 13:54: 14　25 what I mean by and so forth; right? 13:57:20 36 (Pages 138 - 141) A. I don't really know that.　13:57:23　1 BY MR. HARBACH: 14:00:32 Q. Okay.　13:57:25　2　Q. Did Mr. Qiang Guo ever tell you how the 14:00:32 What means so forth? A.　13:57:26　3 \$8 million figure was arrived at? 14:00:35 Q. Sure. 4　13:57:27　4　A. (In English) No. 14:00:38 5　I mean all those other titles, president,　13:57:29　5　Q. Are you familiar with the terms of the DIP 14:00:52 6 secretary, treasurer, director.　13:57:33　6 loan? 14:01:00 You hold all four titles; right? 7　13:57:35　7　A. You just asked me, yes. Now, yes. 14:01:01 A. Correct. 8　13:57:37　8　MR. HARBACH: Let's use the interpreter, 14:01: 11 9　Q. Okay. And you are the only president;　13:57:38　9 please. 14:01:13 10 correct?　13:57:40　10　Ms. Johnston, could you please ask: Are you 14:01: 15 A. Correct. 11　13:57:41　11 familiar with the terms of the DIP loan? 14:01:19 Q. The only treasurer; correct? 12　13:57:42　12　THE INTERPRETER: (Question interpreted.) 14:01:34 A. Yes. 13　13:57:44　13　THE WITNESS: (Through the Interpreter) 14:01:34 14　Q. Okay. And what decisions are you empowered　13:57:44　14 This was my first time involved in this matter; so 14:0 I: 50 15 to make in those roles without Qiang Guo's　13:58:00　15 I know it was a loan. But! am unfamiliar with the 14:01:54 16 permission?　13:58:06　16 terms. 14:01:58 17　A. I make most of the daily operation decisions 13:58:06　17 BY MR. HARBACH: 14:02:05 18 in here. Of course, I will brief him when we meet or 13:58: 15　18　Q. Have you read the DIP loan agreement? 14:02:05 19 chat, but I made the, like, daily operation decision　13:58:19　19　A. (In English) Briefly, I went through, yes. 14:02:08 20 by myself in here.　13:58:25　20　Q. When was that? 14:02:17 21　Q. How much is the -- the DIP loan that is at　13:58:26　21　A. You mean when or what? 14:02: 18 22 issue in this case?　13:58:29　22　Q. I'm sorry. 14:02:23 A. The DIP loan is \$8 million U.S. 23　13:58:30　23　When? When did you go through it briefly? 14:02:24 Q. And who did you learn that from?　13:58:39　24　A. Oh, when I was -- I prepped with the 14:02:28 A. Who did I got this from? From　13:58:41　25 counsels, I believe. 14:02:35 Page 142　Page 144 I Mr. Qiang Guo.　13:58:46　I　Q. Okay. And how long ago was that? 14:02:36 2　Q. Okay. Do you know where the \$8 million　13:58:46　2　A. l'msorry. 14:02:40 3 figure came from?　13:58:54　3　What was your question? How long ago was 14:02:44 4　A. When Mr. Qiang Guo advise me, he advise he　13:58:55　4 that? 14:02:47 5 will take care of that also, as we always did. Like　13:59:06　5　Q. Yes, ma'am. 14:02:47 6 the fund; like, for example, like, you asked did his　13:59:10　6　I'm -- I'm -- I'm -- I'm not interested in 14:02:49 7 father ask for buy something, like, he will -- I have 13:59: 14　7 what any of the attorneys told you, but I am 14:02:51 8 to escalate for him. He will make a decision for him 13:59: 17　8 interested in when you met with them. 14:02:54 9 that way.　13:59:21　9　So when was it that you read the DIP loan 14:02:56 10　Q. I'm trying to understand, if you know, how　13:59:22　10 agreement? 14:03:00 II the figure of\$8 million was arrived at.　13:59:29　11　A. When, you ask; right? 14:03:01 12　MR. ROSEN: Could we have the -- the　13:59:33　12　Q. Correct. 14:03:03 13 interpreter on that?　13:59:35　13　A. Before this deposition. Yesterday. 14:03:04 14　I believe the witness may have misunderstood 13:59:36　14　Q. Yesterday? 14:03:10 15 the question the first time.　13:59:39　15　A. Yes. 14:03:13 MR. HARBACH: Sure. 16　13:59:41　16　Q. Was -- was yesterday the first time you saw 14:03:14 17　Ms. Johnston, do you need me to repeat it?　13:59:42　17 the DIP loan agreement? 14:03: 19 18　THE INTERPRETER: Yes, please.　13:59:47　18　A. I know it existed before yesterday, but 14:03:23 19 BY MR. HARBACH:　13:59:48　19 I didn't pay too much of attention until my attorney, 14:03:28 20　Q. Ms. Wang, I'm asking if you know how the　13:59:49　20 like, prepped me. 14:03:34 21 \$8 million figure was arrived at.　13:59:55　21　Q. Was yesterday the first day you saw the DIP 14:03:36 22　THE INTERPRETER: (Question interpreted.)　13:59:55　22 loan agreement? 14:03:40 23　THE WITNESS: (Through the Interpreter)　14:00:17　23　A. I didn't recall. I may have seen that 14:03:43 24 I was not involved in how the \$8 million was arrived; 14:00:22　24 before, but I couldn't recall. 14:03:46 25 so I do not have any personal knowledge.　14:00:28　25　MR. HARBACH: Scott, this question is not 14:03:54 Page 143　Page 145 37 (Pages 142 - 145) 1 remotely intended to invade the privilege, but I hope 14:03:56　1 THE WITNESS: Ah, okay. Again, not my 14:07:39 2 you will understand why I am asking it. 14:04:01　2 native language. 14:07:41 3 BY MR. HARBACH: 14:04:03　3 So Mr. Qiang Guo advised me, and he is 14:07:42 Q. Ms. Wang, when you met with the attorneys 14:04:04　4 taking care of that also. Because this attorney 14:07:46 5 yesterday, was there an interpreter available to help 14:04:06　5 based in UK; so like, where Mr. Qiang Guo is at. He 14:07:52 6 you? 14:04:09　6 will take care. For Golden Spring, we didn't receive 14:07:56 A. No. 14:04: 13　7 invoice yet. Probably will come, but I didn't see 14:08:00 Q. When you read the DIP loan agreement 14:04:18　8 thatyet. 14:08:03 9 yesterday, did you understand it? 14:04:21　9 BY MR. HARBACH: 14:08:04 A. I know it is a loan. It is 8 million, and 14:04:31　10 Q. So when Mr. Qiang Guo told you that he would 14:08:04 11 interest is at 5 percent and subject to the court to 14:04:34　11 take care of it, you understood that to mean that 14:08:07 12 approve by the end. 14:04:38　12 Golden Spring (New York) would pay for her services; 14:08: 10 Q. Okay. Do you know anything else about the 14:04:42 13　13 is that right? 14:08:14 14 conditions that are attached to the loan? 14:04:46　14 A. That is my understanding. For 14:08: 15 A. I learned from the reading it is kind of 14:04:51 15　15 Golden Spring, like, we didn't receive invoice. If 14:08:21 16 like a 50 percent pay the lender -- no. The debtors 14:04:55　16 we receive that invoice, we will take care of that. 14:08:23 17 professional. Another 50 percent is going to pay 14:05:00　17 Q. Okay. Are there any other current officers 14:08:26 18 U.S. Trustee and the other attorney related. 14:05:05　18 and directors of Golden Spring (New York) Limited, 14:08:50 Q. Areyoufamiliarwiththetermeventsof 14:05:10　19 besides you and Qiang Guo? 14:08:57 20 default? 14:05: 14　20 A. No. 14:09:03 A. You mean in this DIP loan agreement? 14:05:15 21　Only me and him. 14:09:03 Q. Yes, ma'am. 14:05:21 22　22 Q. Okay. Am I right that there was a time, 14:09:05 A. I didn't pay attention about that. 14:05:22 23　23 a few months in 2020, when you were replaced as 14:09: 14 Q. Do you know what any of the events of 14:05:25　24 president by someone named Daniel Podhaskie, 14:09:23 25 default that are in this DIP loan agreement are? 14:05:29　25 P-o-d-h-a-s-k-i-e? Is that right? 14:09:27 Page 146　Page 148 I A. Can I have, like, interpreter help me on 14:05:32　A. Correct. 14:09:37 I 2 this? Because it is about this DIP loan details. 14:05:40　Q. It looks like Mr. Podhaskie was in those 14:09:38 Q. Ofcourse. Ofcourse. 14:05:44　3 roles for a little less than two months. 14:09:49 MR. HARBACH: I'll repeat it for 14:05:46 5 Ms. Johnston. 14:05:49　4 Does that sound about right to you? 14:09:53 A. Yes. 14:09:55 Q. Okay. And why was it that he replaced you 14:09: 58 6 BY MR. HARBACH: 14:05:51 Q. Doyouknowwhatanyoftheeventsof 14:05:51　7 for those couple of months? 14:10:02 8 default in this DIP loan agreement are? 14:05:53　8 A. Because I -- I was -- I had personal issue 14:10:04 THE INTERPRETER: (Question interpreted.) 14:05:53　9 by then, which I couldn't perform as my job as duty. 14: 10: 13 THEWITNESS:Idon'trecall. 14:06:10 10　Q. I see. 14:10:20 II BY MR. HARBACH: 14:06:10　And when that personal issue was resolved, 14: 10:21 Q. Youdon'trecalloryoudon'tknow? 14:06:10 12　12 youreturned-- 14:10:25 A. I don't recall. 14:06:15 13　A. That's right. 14:10:28 Q. Do you know who Arethusa Forsyth is? 14:06:17　14 Q. -- is that right? 14: 10:29 15 A-r-e-t-h-u-s-a, last name F, like Frank, 14:06:50　A. Yes. That's right. 14:10:30 16 o-r-s-y-t-h. 14:06:58　16 Q. Okay. Did you have a briefing with 14: 10:31 Do you know who that person is? 14:07:00　17 Mr.Podhaskiewhenyoucamebackonthejob? 14:10:50 A. This is attorney retained by Mr. Qiang Guo 14:07:04 18　18 A. I don't recall. 14:10:59 19 work on this DIP loan. 14:07:09　19 Q. Okay. Do you recall, in any conversations 14: 11 :02 Q. Did you have any -- withdrawn. 14:07:10　20 with Mr. Podhaskie, whether he was in contact with 14:11:08 Do you know how Attorney Forsyth is being 14:07: 16 21　21 Mr. Ho Wan Kwok? 14:11:14 22 paid? 14:07:28　22 A. No. 14:11:19 A. I'm sorry. 14:07:29 23　I don't recall. We just handed over, like, 14: 11:22 Interpreter, can I have some support? 14:07:30 THE INTERPRETER: (Question interpreted.) 14:07:30 25　24 the daily operation work. I mean, I don't recall 14: 11 :31 25 anything more than that. 14: 11:35 38 (Pages 146 - 149) Q. To your knowledge, is Mr. Podhaskie 14:11:36　1 A. Less than two years ago. 14: 14:53 2 currently, as of today, working for Golden Spring 14:11:45　2 Q. Okay. 14:15:05 3 (New York)? 14:11:48　A. Less than -- closer to two years. 14:15:11 4　A. No. 14:11:48　4 Q. Approximately two years ago? 14:15:14 5　Q. Who is the current general counsel of 14: 11:50　5 A. Yes. 14:15:17 6 Golden Spring (New York)? 14: 11 :56　6 About two years ago. A little more or less. 14:15:18 7　MR. ROSEN: I'm going to object to that 14:12:00　Q. Okay. And -- and were you involved in the 14:15:22 8 question, and I have been advised for matters of 14:12:02　8 decision to hire this person? 14: 15:28 9 personal security that general counsel does not wish 14: 12:09　9 A. Yes. 14:15:30 10 to disclose general counsel's identity. 14:12:12　10 I make all the decision about the 14:15:35 II　MR.HARBACH: Okay. Ithinklcanwork 14:12:17　11 recruitment as the president of the company. 14:15:38 12 around it, Scott. Just don't hesitate to interrupt 14:12: 19　Q. How many other people did you interview for 14:15:41 13 if -- if you want to, but I'm going to try and work 14:12:23　13 that position? 14:15:45 14 around that. 14:12:26　14 A. Wow. I mean, when I hire people, I'm pretty 14: 15:47 15　Okay? 14: 12:27　15 much, if! can say, picky; so I did interview, like, 14:15:56 16　MR. ROSEN: Okay. 14:12:27　16 several candidates. 14: 16:02 17 BY MR. HARBACH: 14: 12:27　17 Q. Okay. Do you know where the person who is 14:16:04 18　Q. Ms. Wang, your lawyer doesn't want you to 14:12:28　18 currently the general counsel worked immediately 14:16:09 19 say the name, but do you know who the current general 14: 12:31　19 before coming to Golden Spring? 14:16:13 20 counsel of Golden Spring (New York) is? 14:12:35　A. Can you please repeat again? 14:16:20 21　A. Yes, I know. 14:12:37　21 Q. Yes. 14:16:23 22　Q. Okay. And do you communicate with that 14:12:39　22 A. Sorry. 14:16:24 23 person? 14: 12:42　Q. The -- the person who is general counsel of 14: 16:25 24　A. Yes, we do. 14: 12:46　24 Golden Spring, who you said you were involved in 14: 16:28 25　Q. How regularly? How often do you communicate 14:12:49　25 hiring, where did that person work immediately before 14:16:31 Page 150　Page 152 1 with that person? 14:12:52　1 Golden Spring, if you know? 14:16:36 2　A. We communicated -- it is not a daily basis, 14:12:53　A. Idoknow,butldon'tfeelcomfortableto 14:16:41 3 but several times per week. 14:13:03　3 give any details about my current employee -- 14:16:44 4　Q. Okay. I find it interesting that you have 14:13:06　Q. Okay. 14:16:47 5 a clear recollection of how often you speak with the 14: 13: 13　5 A. -- and including previous employer. 14:16:48 6 general counsel, but no recollection with any clarity 14: 13: 18　Q. How about this? 14:16:51 7 of how often you speak with Mr. Ho Wan Kwok. 14:13:24　7 A. That safety reason again. 14:16:52 8　Can you explain that? 14:13:28　8 Q. Give me -- give me the -- give me the first 14:16:54 9　A. Yes, sir. 14:13:31　9 letter of the company where the general counsel 14:16:56 10　Because I'm the president of the 14:13:33　10 worked before coming to Golden Spring. 14:16:59 II Golden Spring, and that is my job to communicate with 14:13:35　MR. ROSEN: Objection. That's -- that is 14:17:02 12 my employee, including my general counsel and the 14:13:38　12 the -- it is the same issue. 14: 17:04 13 rest of our employees; so that is my job. I am being 14: 13:42　MR. HARBACH: Because of the first letter? 14: 17:10 14 paid to do that; so Mr. Ho Wan Kwok-- I mean, we 14:13:46　14 MR. ROSEN: We are not playing, you know, 14:17:12 15 don't communicate on a regular basis or any -- kind 14: 13 :53　15 twenty questions here. David, c'mon. 14:17: 14 16 of like as you said, a regular basis. We just 14:13:56　16 BY MR. HARBACH: 14: 17:24 17 communicate as we need. I mean, he is not employee; 14: 13:59　17 Q. Was the general counsel's prior employer -- 14: 17:24 18 right? 14:14:04　18 was the identity of the general counsel's prior 14:17:31 19　And then I don't report to him; so why 14: 14:04　19 employer a factor in your decision to hire that 14:17:39 20 should I, you know, keep that rhythm and then to talk 14: 14:07　20 person? 14:17:44 21 with someone who is not in my job work? 14:14:10　A. Well, I don't understand your question, sir. 14:17:44 22　Q. Just one moment, please. Hang on one 14:14:14　Can I ask for the interpreter to help me? 14:17:46 23 second. 14: 14:24　23 Sorry. 14: 17:49 24　When was the current general counsel of 14: 14:49　24 Q. No problem. 14:17:51 25 Golden Spring hired? 14: 14:52 Page 151　25 MR. HARBACH: Here we go, Ms. Johnston. 14:17:52 39 (Pages 150 - 153) 1 BY MR. HARBACH:　1 Golden Spring (New York), apart from the general 14:17:55　14:21:00 Q. Is the -- was the identity of the general 14:17:55 2　2 counsel? 14:21:03 3 counsel's provider employer a factor in your decision 14: 17:58　3 A. Which time period you are asking, sir? 14:21:04 4 to hire that person? 14:18:05　Q. Currently. 14:21: 10 5　A. No. THE INTERPRETER: (Question interpreted.)　14:21: 12 14: 18:24　5 THE WITNESS: When I interview and hire　6 14: 18:31　Q. How many employees does Golden Spring 6　14:21:14 7 people, like the previous employer before me, that　7 (New York) Limited currently have? 14: 18:33　14:21:26 8 does matter also. And, obviously, you know, I want 14:18:40　8 MR. ROSEN: I believe that information has 14:21:34 9 to hire the high quality oftalent; right?　9 been previously provided. And I believe, David, you 14:18:44　14:21:36 Where they are from, that do matter. And, 14: 18:48 10　10 are aware of the sensitivity to the employee issue. 14:21:41 II plus, I still care about, like, the loyalty with the　11 I -- I don't think we have an objection to answering 14:18:51　14:21:45 12 previous job. You already--! don't like, you know, 14:18:54　12 how many employees there are, but I would ask you 14:21:50 13 employee or the candidate jumping too often from job　13 not -- not to get into any personal or identifying 14: 18: 59　14:21:54 14 to job. But besides that, you know, I do care about, 14: 19:04　14 information with respect to that. 14:21:57 15 like, the interview --the feeling of the interview; 14: 19:09　MR. HARBACH: Yeah. I -- !--thank you, 14:22:00 16 right?　16 Scott. 14:19:11　14:22:02 17　I do understand the position of The understanding and the communication and　17 14:19:12　14:22:04 18 the people skill, of course the capability of　18 Golden Spring (New York) as had been represented to 14: 19:14　14:22:06 19 professional, that all matters; so to answer your　19 us by counsel and repeated by counsel for the debtor 14:19:17　14:22:09 20 question, the previous employer does matter, but it　20 in -- in a previous proceeding; so I will respect 14:19:20　14:22: 14 21 is not only the -- only one reason for me to make　21 your request for purposes of this deposition while 14: 19:23　14:22:22 22 a decision to send out the offer.　22 noting that we disagree strongly with the -- the 14: 19:27　14:22:25 23 BY MR. HARBACH:　23 basis of it. 14:19:31　14:22:29 Q. Did you contact this general counsel's 14:19:31　24 BY MR. HARBACH: 14:22:33 25 previous employer during the hiring process? 14:19:34　25 Q. So for the moment, Ms. Wang, my question is 14:22:33 Page 154　Page 156 I A. I remember my HR department by then, they 14:19:42　I just the number of employees. 14:22:36 2 conducted the background check and reference check. 14: 19:47　2 How many employees currently work at 14:22:38 3 I didn't do that by myself. I have a company do　3 Golden Spring (New York) Limited? 14: 19:51　14:22:43 4 that.　4 14:19:54　A. Oh, currently I believe it is about fourteen 14:22:45 Q. So you did--you, personally, did not speak 14:19:54　5 ofthem, including myself. 5　14:22:53 6 to anyone at this person's prior employer; correct? 14: 19:57　6 Q. Including you? 14:22:55 A. I mean, I manage the entire, like, employee.　7 14:20:03　A. Yes. 7　14:22:58 8 I mean, as the president of the company, my 14:20:06　Q. Does that also include Mr. Qiang Guo? Or 14:22:58 9 understanding is you are the -- the HR department　9 no? 14:20:09　14:23 :04 10 will do that for me; right? 14:20:12　10 A. No. 14:23:05 II　Q. Okay. So you and the general counsel -- Q. You know, Ms. Wang, it is a simple question.　14:23:05 14:20:14　11 12 I'm not suggesting you should have. I'm just asking　12 does that include that person? 14:20:17　14:23:10 13 whether you did. 14:20:20　13 A. Correct. 14:23:13 14　14 A. No, I didn't.　Q. Okay. So you, the general counsel, and 14:20:21　14:23:14 Q. Okay. 14:20:23 15　15 twelve other people? 14:23:21 A. My HR department did that, uh-huh.　16 14:20:24　A. Yes. 16　14:23:23 Q. Okay. Did you personally conduct any of the 14:20:27 17　Q. Do all of those people work at the family 14:23:23 18 reference calls for this person?　18 office? 14:20:30　14:23:32 A. No.　19 14:20:32　MR. ROSEN: I object to this. The -- there 19　14:23:36 I didn't do that. But my -- my -- in 14:20:35　20 are issues of physical security that I have been 14:23:38 21 person, my -- personally.　21 alerted to. And if-- if -- if you would like, 14:20:40　14:23:41 Q. But your understanding is that somebody in 14:20:43　22 David, I do have a statement from the Golden Spring 14:23:47 23 your HR department did?　23 security team that I could read into the record. 14:20:44　14:23:50 A. Correct. 14:20:46 Q. Are there any other inhouse lawyers for 14:20:47 25　24 If -- if -- if you think it is appropriate. But -- 14:23:54 MR. HARBACH: I -- I appreciate that, Scott. 14:23:59 40 (Pages 154 - 157) 1 I mean, I -- as I said before, we -- we understand 14:24:02　A. He advised me he will take care of that. 14:27:15 2 the position that you are taking. And if your 14:24:05　Q. Did he tell you where the money was coming 14:27: 18 3 position is whether all employees work in the same 14:24:08　3 from? 14:27:20 4 location presents a security risk such that you are 14:24:13　A. So far not yet. But he said he will take 14:27:21 5 going to direct the witness not to answer, that is 14:24:16　5 care of that, as he always does. 14:27:26 6 okay. I'll just note for the record that we -- we 14:24: 19　6 Q. Did you ask him where the money was coming 14:27:27 7 disagree and reserve the right to take it up with the 14:24:22　7 from? 14:27:30 8 Judge, like we do just about all of the objections 14:24:26　A. I didn't. 14:27:31 9 that have been made today. But -- but -- but that is 14:24:30　9 Q. Okay. 14:27:37 10 sufficient for present purposes, if that is okay with 14:24:34　A. He said he will take care of that. 14:27:39 11 you. 14:24:36　Q. No. 14:27:40 MR. ROSEN: Yes. 14:24:37 12　I -- I -- I understand that he said he will 14:27:41 That -- that is fine. 14:24:38 13　13 take care of it. I'm just asking if you know where 14:27:43 MR. HARBACH: Okay. 14:24:40　14 the money was coming from, and-- and I think I have 14:27:46 15 BY MR. HARBACH: 14:24:41　15 got the answer. 14:27:49 Q. Does Golden Spring -- as far as -- as you 14:24:52　16 A. We have trust between each other for so many 14:27:51 17 are concerned, Ms. Wang, does Golden Spring 14:24:54　17 years. When -- as the owner of the company, he said 14:27:54 18 (New York) Limited expect to be repaid for the DIP 14:24:59　18 he will take care of that, and I will just let him do 14:27:57 19 loan? 14:25:05　19 his part. I am doing my part; right? So 14:28:01 A. It is a loan, yes. Golden Spring is going 14:25:06　20 Q. Listen, that -- that is fine. But you have 14:28:05 21 to expect to be repaid. 14:25:12　21 been tendered as the person at Golden Spring 14:28:07 Q. We were speaking earlier about bank accounts 14:25:14　22 (New York) Limited with knowledge about all these 14:28:11 23 and whatnot, and I'm -- and I'm not intending to 14:25:30　23 topics that we have noticed. One of the topics is 14:28: 14 24 reopen that can of worms, but I am going to ask this 14:25:33　24 the source of funds used by Golden Spring to finance 14:28:17 25 precise question. 14:25:38　25 the DIP loan agreement. And so I -- I just asked you 14:28:21 Page 158　Page 160 What is the source of the moneys that will I 14:25:38　I if you know, and so we are clear, your answer is you 14:28:26 2 fund the DIP loan if it is approved? 14:25 :41　2 don't know, but Qiang Guo said he would take care of 14:28:31 A. And it will be arranged by Mr. Qiang Guo 14:25:43　3 it, and that's enough for you. 14:28:35 4 directly. 14:25:53　4 MR. ROSEN: That's -- objection. That 14:28:38 Q. What is the source of the moneys that will 14:25:53　5 mischaracterizes the testimony. 14:28:40 6 fund the DIP loan ifit is approved? 14:25:58　MR. HARBACH: Oh, Scott, how does that 14:28:42 A. It will be arranged by Mr. Qiang Guo 14:26:06　7 mischaracterize the testimony? 14:28:44 8 directly. 14:26:08　8 MR. ROSEN: Because she also testified that 14:28:45 Q. Do you know where the money will come from? 14:26:08 9　9 it could be from his wealth. 14:28:47 A. I was not advised it yet, but Mr. Qiang Guo 14:26: 13　10 BY MR. HARBACH: 14:28:47 11 said that he will take care of that, as he always do. 14:26:19　Q. Okay. So did he -- did he say that? My 14:28:50 Q. So you are president and treasurer of 14:26:22 12　12 question is did he say that to you? Did he say that 14:28:57 13 Golden Spring. You are here testifying today about 14:26:25　13 I am -- I'm going to take care of it from my wealth? 14:28:59 14 a DIP loan, as I have been reminded countless times. 14:26:29　14 Is that what he said? 14:29:02 15 And your testimony is that you do not know where the 14:26:35　A. Correct. 14:29:09 16 money to fund the DIP loan is coming from. 14:26:39　16 Q. He said that to you? 14:29:09 Have I got that right? 14:26:45 17　17 A. Yes. 14:29:12 MR. ROSEN: Objection. That 14:26:47　18 As always, we chat. He briefed me. He 14:29: 13 19 mischaracterizes the witness' testimony. 14:26:48　19 said, I will take care of that. You don't worry. 14:29: 17 You can answer the question. 14:26:55　20 And I have place to rent. My understanding, after so 14:29:20 THE WITNESS: It will be arranged by 14:26:56 21　21 many years, that will come from his wealth. 14:29:23 22 Mr. Qiang Guo directly from his or -- his wealth, in 14:26:58　22 Q. Okay. So he did not say to you, I will take 14:29:26 23 my understanding, as always we do. 14:27:06　23 care of it from my money. He just said, I will take 14:29:29 24 BY MR. HARBACH: 14:27:10 Q. Did he tell you that? 14:27:11 25　24 care ofit, and based on your experience with him 14:29:34 25 over the years, you understood that to mean from his 14:29:39 41 (Pages 158 - 161) 1 wealth. 14:29:42　Q. Okay. And do those bylaws say anything 14:33:52 Have I got that right? 14:29:43 2　2 about decisions of the company and how they are to be 14:33:56 A. So you remind me, like, he said I have it. 14:29:45 3　3 made? 14:34:04 4 I will take care of that. That's his, as we said, 14:29:51　A. Yes. 14:34:04 5 quote to quote. He said that to me. In my 14:29:55　Q. Okay. And do those bylaws include rules 14:34:05 6 understanding, that will come from his -- his wealth. 14:29:58　6 about how the -- the president and treasurer are to 14:34: 10 Q. Okay. And when was this conversation? 14:30:00　7 be involved? 14:34:13 A. That was yesterday also. 14:30:03　A. Yes. 14:34:14 Q. Was yesterday the -- the first time you 14:30:06　9 Q. Okay. And as far as you are aware, 14:34: 16 10 learned what the source of the funds used to finance 14:30:17　10 Golden Spring has operated within the constraints of 14:34:22 11 the DIP loan agreement were coming from? 14:30:24 11 those bylaws properly as long as you have been there? 14:34:27 A. There was a -- in order to prep the 14:30:30　A. What do you mean, properly, sir? 14:34:31 13 deposition today, like, he went through this DIP loan 14:30:37　Q. Well, have they-- while you have been at 14:34:34 14 arrangement with me a little bit. 14:30:41　14 Golden Spring (New York), have the rules been 14:34:38 Q. Okay. 14:30:43 15　15 followed as laid out in the bylaws? 14:34:41 A. Yeah. He mentioned to me, I have it. 14:30:44 16　A. I mean, we are family office. I mean, we're 14:34:44 17 I will take care of that -- 14:30:46　17 private company and family office. I work for 14:34:48 Q. All right. 14:30:48　18 Mr. Qiang Guo, himself, for my entire career; so 14:34:53 14:30:49 A. -- you know, as a conversation.　19 like, he authorized me to make a decision. 14:35:02 Q. Fair enough. 14:30:50　20 I communicated with him. I mean, we don't have 14:35:06 My only question for you is when he told you 14: 30: 51 21　21 issue. If there is missing any paperwork, it doesn't 14:35:08 22 yesterday, I have it. I'll take care of it, is that 14:30: 54　22 mean that anybody purposely do anything wrong; so we 14:35: 11 23 the first time you learned what the source of the DIP 14:30:58　23 are a family office. 14:35: 14 24 loan funds would be? 14:31:03　24 Q. I'm not suggesting anything about 14:35:16 A. That is the time I heard from him because 14:31:05 25　25 wrongdoing, certainly not on purpose. I asked you if 14:35:19 Page 162　Page 164 1 I need to prep the deposition today. But I know he 14:31: 11　1 the company had bylaws. You said yes. 14:35:25 2 has it for so many years; so it is not, like, the 14:31: 15　2 My next question is has the company abided 14:35:27 3 first time -- right? -- I got -- oh, you have money. 14:31 :20　3 by the bylaws as long as you have been there, as far 14:35:31 4 It is not like that way. I know he had it. 14:31:23　4 as you know? 14:35:35 Q. Oh, I got it. I got you. And, believe me, 14:31:25　5 MR. ROSEN: Objection. That's -- that is -- 14:35:37 6 I am not trying to suggest that yesterday was the 14:31 :28　6 that is very broad. 14:35:37 7 first day you learned he had money. Not at all. 14:31:31　What particular aspect of the bylaws are you 14:35:41 8 I get that. 14:31:35　8 looking for? 14:35:44 What I'm -- what I'm trying to focus on is 14:31:36　9 MR. HARBACH: Well, I tried to remain 14:35:45 10 was yesterday the first day that you learned that the 14:31:38　10 focused on decision making and the powers of the 14:35:47 II money that would fund the DIP loan was going to come 14:31:44　11 president and treasurer; so I guess I'll ask it that 14:35:50 12 from Qiang Guo? 14:31:47　12 way. 14:35:55 A. That was the time I heard from him, yes. 14:31: 52 13　13 BY MR. HARBACH: 14:35:55 Q. Okay. What is your understanding as to how 14:31:55　14 Q. Have -- have the bylaws about the authority 14:35:55 15 the DIP loan is going to be repaid? If you know. 14:32:04　15 and power of the president and the treasurer been 14:35:58 A. I don't know. 14:32:11 16　16 respected since you have been at Golden Spring? 14:36:04 Q. Okay. Give me ten seconds, folks, please. 14:32:13　17 MR. ROSEN: Objection. The bylaws are not 14:36:07 18 Excuse me. 14:32:31　18 in the record. It-- it is -- the question is -- is 14:36:09 Okay. Thanks, everybody. 14:33:24 19　19 hopelessly vague. 14:36: 13 Subject change. 14:33:29　20 But you can answer. 14:36: 15 Ms. Wang, does -- does Golden Spring 14:33:37 21　THE WITNESS: Me and Mr. Qiang Guo, we 14:36:18 22 (New York) Limited have any kind of company bylaws　14:33:45 22 manage Golden Spring (New York) Limited based on our 14:36:2\$ 23 that you know of? 14:33:49　23 aligned -- aligned-- our aligned agreement and 14:36:26 A. Yes. 14:33:50　24 properauthorization. 14:36:31 We do have bylaws. 14:33:50 Page 163　25 /// 42 (Pages 162 - 165) 1 BY MR. HARBACH: 14:36:32　Q. Okay. So this is what I was asking you 14:41:46 2　Q. Okay. Let me ask a different question. 14:36:35　2 about a minute ago. In paragraph three, it says the 14:41:52 3　When you were appointed as president, 14:36:40　3 date of filing of the corporation's original 14:41:56 4 secretary, treasurer of Golden Spring (New York) in 14:36:47　4 certificate of incorporation in Delaware was 14:42:00 5 the spring of 2018 -- that's -- so that is the time 14:36:52　5 03/10/2015. 14:42:04 6 I'm focusing on -- were you aware that the company's 14:36:57　6 Do you see that? 14:42:07 7 charter had been inoperative and void since March I 14:37:01　A. Yes. 14:42:08 8 of2017? 14:37:07　Q. So that March 10th of 2015 was the -- 14:42: 13 9　MR. ROSEN: Objection. Assumes facts not on 14:37: 10　9 apparently the date of incorporation of Golden Spring 14:42: 16 10 the record. 14:37:13　10 (New York) Limited. 14:42:20 11　THE WITNESS: I don't recall. 14:37:15　And then ifyou look down at paragraph five, 14:42:21 12 BY MR. HARBACH: 14:37:16　12 it says: 14:42:25 13　Q. Do you recall ever executing a revival -- 14:37: 18　13 "The corporation was duly organized and 14:42:26 14 a certificate of revival on behalf of Golden Spring 14:37:23　14 carried on the business authorized by its 14:42:29 15 (New York) Limited to correct that problem? 14:37:27　charter until the first day of March AD 2017, 14:42:32 16　A. I don't recall. If you have documents, you 14:37:33　16 at which time its charter became inoperative 14:42:41 14:37:36 17 can remind me, sir.　and void for nonpayment of taxes and/or 14:42:44 18　Q. Give me just one second. 14:37:38　18 failure to file a complete annual report and 14:42:49 19　Okay. I think we're going to put up another 14:39: 17　the certificate of revival is filed by 14:42:54 20 exhibit here real quick that might help you remember. 14:39:21　authority of the duly elected directors of 14:42:56 21　MR. HARBACH: Yeah. Itis 808. Yeah. It 14:39:30　21 the corporation in accordance with the laws 14:43:00 22 is 808. 14:39:40　of the state of Delaware." 14:43:04 23　(Deposition Exhibit Number 5 14:39:43　23 Were you able to follow along with me while 14:43:07 24　was marked for identification.) 14:39:46　24 I read that? 14:43:09 25　MR. HARBACH: Thanks for your patience. 14:39:46　25 A. Yes. 14:43:10 Page 166　Page 168 I I think we have got the document here. 14:39:49　Q. Okay. So now does this refresh your 14:43: 11 I 2　THE WITNESS: Sorry. 14:40:02　2 recollection about whether when you were hired at 14:43:19 3　Sir, can we have a break after this 14:40:05　3 Golden Spring in the spring of 2018 the charter had 14:43:23 4 document? 14:40:07　4 been made inoperative and void? 14:43:32 5 BY MR. HARBACH: 14:40:08　5 A. So what is your question, sir? Are you 14:43 :43 6　Q. Sure. 14:40:08　6 expecting me to reply? 14:43 :46 7　A. Thank you. 14:40:09　Q. Yes, ma'am. 14:43:47 8　Q. Okay. So what is fixing to come through is 14:40:18　Before I dug up this document, when I asked 14:43:48 9 Exhibit 5. There we go. 14:40:21　9 you that same question, you said I don't remember or 14:43:52 10　All right. I had myself muted. I'm sorry. 14:41:02　10 I don't recall. And you said to me, if you have any 14:43:56 11　Could you please go to the last page of 14:41:04　11 documents, maybe that could help me; so I'm providing 14:44:00 12 Exhibit 5. 14:41:07　12 you a document to try and help you. 14:44:04 13　A. (Witness complies.) 14:41:08　And the question is whether seeing this 14:44:09 14　Yes. I'm here. 14:41:09　14 document refreshes your recollection about whether at 14:44: 11 15　Q. Okay. You see how this one is captioned 14:41:10　15 the time you assumed your duties at Golden Spring 14:44:15 16 state of Delaware, certificate for revival of 14:41:14　16 (New York) in the spring of2018 the company, in 14:44:21 17 charter? 14:41: 18　17 fact, had become inoperative -- correction. 14:44:27 18　A. Yes. 14:41:18　The charter of the company had become 14:44:30 19　Q. And there is a signature at the bottom. 14:41: 19　19 inoperative and void. 14:44:33 20　Is that yours? 14:41 :23　20 A. So you are asking me why? Or what is your 14:44:41 21　A. Yes. 14:41:24　21 question, sir? Why or -- 14:44:45 22　Q. And the very bottom right hand of the page 14:41 :27　22 Q. I'm asking whether this is, in fact, true 14:44:48 23 it says -- there is a stamp there that says filed 14:41:30　23 that at the time you were hired in the spring of 14:44:54 25　24 ten -- there is a time of!0:23: 18, I think it says. 14:41:37 A. Yes. 14:41:46　24 2018 -- okay? -- whether at that time the charter of 14:44:58 25 Golden Spring (New York) Limited was inoperative and 14:45 :06 43 (Pages 166 - 169) 1 void. 14:45:12　You recall him being a lawyer at 14:48:22 2　MR. ROSEN: Objection. The -- the document 14:45: 12　2 Williams & Connolly; is that right? 14:48:25 3 speaks for itself. 14:45: 14　A. He is attorney of William Connolly, yes. 14:48:28 4　MR. HARBACH: It-- it does, indeed, Scott. 14:45:16　Q. Okay. And did you say-- make sure I heard 14:48:31 5 And that is quite fair. 14:45:19　5 you correctly. 14:48:34 6　Unfortunately, the history of this 14:45:21　Did you say that -- that he and 14:48:34 7 litigation is that sometimes documents are challenged 14:45:23　7 Williams & Connolly represented Qiang Guo? 14:48:38 8 as being inauthentic and forgeries when they are 14:45 :26　8 A. In these .pdf -- in these exhibit, 14:48:41 9 plainly not; so I'm afraid I have to ask the 14:45 :31　9 William Connolly, Jerry Shulman -- Jerry represents 14:48:51 10 question. 14:45:34　10 Golden Spring Limited also. 14:48:56 II　MR. ROSEN: You can answer the question. 14:45:34　Q. Okay. Did-- did Mr. Shulman represent 14:48:58 12　THE WITNESS: Sir, I don't -- I don't know 14:45:36　12 Qiang Guo? 14:49:01 13 what happened before I was officially hired, but if 14:45:39　13 A. I -- 14:49:02 14 you read back the entire Golden Spring, including, 14:45:45　14 Q. Because I believe that is what you said 14:49:06 15 I believe, the corporation, was set up by attorney 14:45:49　15 a few minutes ago. l'mjusttryingtomake sure 14:49:08 16 from William Connolly. The attorney's name is 14:45:52　16 I heard you correctly. 14:49:11 17 addressed on page three, Jerry L. Shulman; so 14:45:58　17 A. I believe so. 14:49:13 Q. Okay. To your knowledge, did Mr. Shulman of 14:49:14 18 I know -- I got to know -- Jerry was Mr. Qiang Guo's 14:46:03 19 attorney. And William Connolly was, like, a-- what 14:46:07　18 19 Williams & Connolly represent Ho Wan Kwok? 14:49:19 20 is technically, like, the Golden Spring charters, 14:46:11 21 like, the documentation, you know, all the paperwork; 14:46: 17　20 A. I don't know that. 14:49:22 Q. Okay. The -- the document that is on the 14:49:25 22 so the answer to you was, like, when I was hired -- 14:46:20　22 screen there says that the reason the charter became 14:49:31 23 of course, I don't know what happened before me, but, 14:46:25　23 inoperative and void was for nonpayment of taxes 14:49:37 24 obviously, Jerry Shulman, the attorney by then was -- 14:46:28　24 and/or failure to file a complete annual report. 14:49:42 25 maintained the -- the record here or fix the record 14:46:32　Do you know which of those reasons, or both 14:49:50 Page 170　Page 172 I somehow, which I am not aware of that before me. 14:46:36　I reasons, were why the charter of Golden Spring became 14:49:55 2 BY MR. HARBACH: 14:46:41　2 inoperative and void? 14:50:03 3　Q. Okay. Just a moment. 14:46:42　3 A. As I said, before me, what happened I don't 14:50:05 4　Okay. We thought we were having a fire 14:46: 50　4 know. But since I was appointed, Golden Spring never 14:50:14 5 drill in our building, but it is only a test. Sorry 14:46: 53　5 has this problem. 14:50:20 6 for the noise. 14:46:56　6 Q. Okay. Well, it apparently had the problem 14:50:21 7　I understood what you said, Ms. Wang. 14:47:00　7 for six months after you were appointed because the 14:50:24 8 You--you signed this document, and it was filed in 14:47:03　8 certificate of revival wasn't filed until October; so 14:50:28 9 Delaware in October of 2018. 14:47: 12　9 I'll ask the same question. And maybe you don't 14:50:35 10　Do you remember signing it? 14:47: 18　10 know. It is okay if you don't know, but all I can do 14:50:37 11　A I don't recall. Too many years ago. 14:47:22　11 is ask. 14:50:40 12　Q. I gather, from what you said a moment ago, 14:47:24　12 Do you know what the reason was why the 14:50:41 13 that ifl were to ask you how you learned that the 14:47:29　13 charter became inoperative and void? 14:50:45 14 charter of Golden Spring had become inoperative and 14:47:38　14 A. I don't know the reason, but I am not able 14:50:53 15 void, you would say it was -- it was from the 14:47:41　15 to fix everything that happened before me from day 14:50:56 16 attorney you mentioned; is that right? 14:47:45　16 one I was appointed; right? 14:51:00 17　A I read this from the exhibit you present to 14:47:50　17 So the six months, that is a fair time. But 14:51:02 18 me. And the attorney's name, Jerry Shulman, is on 14:47:56　18 I need to spend on time and then start to catch up 14: 51: 04 19 that. Obviously, my understanding, he was working on 14:48:02　19 and fix what happened before me. 14:51:08 20 this before. 14:48:05　20 Q. Yeah. Andthankyou. 14:51:09 21　Q. Okay. Did -- do you recall having 14:48:06　21 You requested a short break. 14:51:19 22 conversations with Mr. Shulman? 14:48:08　22 MR. HARBACH: And why don't we take that 14:51:21 23　A I don't recall. 14:48: 11　23 now. 14:51:23 24　Q. AndyourecallMr. Shulman--thatis 14:48:12 25 S-h-u-1-m, like Mary, a-n. 14:48:18　24 Just so everybody knows -- I hesitate to say 14:51:24 25 it, but I'm close to finishing up. Why don't we take 14:51:28 44 (Pages 170 - 173) 1 a break until 3 :00 o'clock. 14:51:33　I　A No. 15:06:30 2　THE VIDEOGRAPHER: We are going off the 14:51:36　2　Q Where did it come from? 15:06:31 3 record. 14:51:37　3　A It come from his own successful investment. 15:06:33 4　The time is 2:51 p.m. 14:51:37　4　Q Okay I'm asking about the money that he 15:06:42 5　(Short recess taken.) 15:02:54　5　originally invested to become successful, didn't that 15 :06:46 6　THE VIDEOGRAPHER: We are back on the 15:02:54　6 comefromhisfather? 15:06:52 7 record. 15:02:57　7　A No. 15:06:54 8　The time is 3:02. 15:02:57　8　Q Okay Where did it come from 7 15:06:55 9　MR. HARBACH: Apologies, everyone. There 15:03:28　9　A What I -- what I learned is that it come 15:06:58 10 was a loud announcement on our loudspeakers here. 15:03:30　IO from his family -- his extended family. 15:07:05 11 That is why I remained muted. 15:03:34　II　Q Who told you that? 15:07:08 12 BY MR. HARBACH: 15:03:34　12　A I learned from him. 15:07:12 13　Q. One cleanup question, Ms. Wang, before we 15:03:38　13　Q That is what he told you? 15:07:14 14 proceed to the next topic. 15:03:42　14　A (Nods head) 15:07:17 15　Could you describe one successful investment 15:03:44　15　Q Okay Next subject, do you remember earlier 15.07.21 16 that Golden Spring (New York) has made since you have 15:03:49 16 in our time today I explained to you that there was　15:07:28 17 been president? 15:03:53　17 a difference between the -- the DIP loan, which we 15.07.31 18　A. Since I was appointed as a president; so the 15:03:55　18 just talked about for some time, and then also loans 15 :07:35 19 first job, of course, is build up the entire team and 15 :04: 10 19 to fund litigation? Do you remember that? 15:0739 20 then start back to the operation. And then we did 15:04:13　20　A Yes. 15:07:43 21 have some projects in discussion and then develop. 15:04:22　21　Q Okay And so now I want to talk about that 15:07:45 22 But because of a Pacific Alliance branded lawsuit, 15:04:26　22 second category, which is the loans that 15:07:50 23 I mean, our barik balance was very seriously hurt; so 15:04:35　23 Golden Spring (New York) has made to Ho Wan Kwok for 15:07:55 24 we were not able to complete the full investment 15:04:39　24 litigation. 15:08:02 25 project. But we did have some -- very prospective 15:04:43 Page 174　25　Okay? 15:08:04 I one before. 15:04:49　I　A. Yes. 15:08:06 2　Q. Okay. Leaving aside the prospective one, is 15 :04: 50　2　Q. Okay. So I -- for -- for right now I'm not 15:08:06 15:04:55 3 there any investment project that Golden Spring has　3 talking about the DIP loan. 15:08:09 4 done that has succeeded since you have been 15:05:02　4　Do you understand? 15:08:11 5 president? 15:05:05　5　A. Yes. 15:08:12 6　A. As I just explained, because our banking 15:05:06　6　Q. Okay. According to Mr. Ho Wan Kwok, 15:08:15 7 relationship was hurted by Pacific Alliance; so we 15:05: 10　7 Golden Spring (New York) has loaned him approximately 15:08:2 S 8 were not able to complete a full successful 15:05: 16　8 \$21 million to pay for litigation costs. 15:08:29 9 project -- investment project. 15:05:20　9　My question to you is are you aware of that? 15:08:35 10　Q. Okay. So -- so the answer is no? 15:05:22　10　A. Yes. 15:08:39 11　A. Correct. 15:05:25　11　Q. Okay. Who requested those loans? 15:08:43 12　Q. Okay. Did you know Qiang Guo before you 15:05:26　12　A. Who requested those loans? You mean the -- 15:08:47 13 became an officer and director of Golden Spring 15:05:37　13 I mean, can you explain more about the question? 15:08:59 14 (New York) Limited? 15:05:42　14　Q. Who requested that Golden Spring (New York) 15:09:05 15　A. Yes. 15:05:42　15 Limited would make those loans to cover 15:09: 10 16　Q. Okay. Can you describe for me one 15:05:42　16 Mr. Ho Wan Kwok's litigation costs? 15:09: 16 17 successful business enterprise that Qiang Guo has 15:05:48　17　A. I believe they borrowed -- requested from 15:09:21 18 launched since you have known him. 15:05:54　18 Mr. Qiang Guo directly, the owner of Golden Spring. 15:09:28 19　A. I don't want to put his business, any 15:05:57　19　Q. By the borrower, you mean Mr. Ho Wan Kwok? 15:09:38 20 specific name, at any risk for obvious reason. But 15:06:06　20　A. That's right. 15:09:38 21 what I can tell you is that he has been very 15:06: 10　21　Q. Are you cap- -- withdrawn. 15:09:44 22 successful in the investment world for -- in -- in 15:06: 13　22　So father asked son to make the loans. 15:09:45 23 all of -- in different countries. 15:06:19　23　Is that what you understand? 15:09:52 24　Q. And isn't it true that the -- the money that 15:06:21 25 he got to invest came from his father? 15:06:25　24 25　A. Yes. 15:09:54 Q. Okay. Who approved those loans for 15:09:54 45 (Pages 174 - 177) 1 GoldenSpring(NewYork)? 15:10:03　1 convinced, if that is what you were talking about. 15: 13:05 2　A. They were approved by both .vlr. Qiang Guo and 15:10:06　2 Q. Well, I'm not talking about anything in 15:13:11 3 myself, as the president of Golden Spring. 15: 10: 13　3 particular. I'm just asking. And I'm trying to get 15: 13:15 4　Q. How did you become aware of the loans that 15:10:18　4 an understanding of what real authority you have as 15: 13: 18 5 were requested? 15:10:20　5 president and treasurer of Golden Spring (New York) 15:13:21 6　A. I heard from Mr. Qiang Guo. 15:10:22　6 Limited. Because what you have told me thus far is 15:13:24 7　Q. Did you have any conversations with 15: 10:28　7 that the DIP loan was approved by Mr. Qiang Guo 15: 13:28 8 Mr. Ho Wan Kwok about those loans? 15: 10:30　8 without your input and that it was enough for you 15: 13: 33 9　A. No. 15:10:34　9 that he told you that he would take care of it. And 15: 13:38 10　I don't recall. 15: 10:37　10 when it comes to the litigation funding, you have 15: 13:42 II Q. Okay. You never asked him what the money 15:10:38　11 told me that father asked son and that you have never 15: 13:45 12 was for? 15:10:43　12 spoken to father about it, not even to ask him what 15: 13:49 13　A. No. 15:10:44　13 the money was for. 15: 13:51 14　That was a conversation between 15:10:47　14 So what I'm trying to understand is what 15: 13: 53 15 Mr. Qiang Guo and Mr. Ho Wan Kwok. 15:10:48　15 exactly your role is. I mean, I know what your 15:13:56 16　Q. Okay. Were any of the litigation loans that 15:10:51　16 titles are, but I'm trying to understand what your 15:14:00 17 Mr. Ho Wan Kwok asked for refused? 15:11:04　17 role is; so that is why I'm asking these questions. 15: 14:03 18　A. Yes. 15:11:12　And so my question is is there an occasion 15: 14:08 19　Q. Bywhom? 15:11:14　19 you can point to where you disagreed with 15:14:13 20　A. Refused by Mr. Qiang Guo. 15:11:17　20 Mr. Qiang Guo over a decision that involved more than 15:14:18 21　Q. Did you agree, in your capacity as 15:11:20　21 a million dollars? 15:14:23 22 president, that it should have been refused? 15: 11 :25　22 A. Yes. 15:14:26 23　A. I am aligned with Mr. Qiang Guo's rejection. 15: 11 :29　23 Q. Okay. Howrecently? 15:14:27 24　Q. Okay. Are you ever not aligned with his 15: 11:35　24 A. What do you mean, how recently? I already 15: 14:30 25 decisions about matters involving millions of 15:11:38　25 explained, like, regarding when I was appointed 15:14:35 Page 178　Page 180 1 dollars? 15:11:42　1 and-- 15:14:38 2　A. Yes. 15:11:43　2 Q. Okay. 15:14:39 3　Q. Okay. Can you describe occasion on which 15:11:47　3 A. -- disagreements about investment projects. 15:14:39 4 your opinion prevailed? 15: 11: 51　4 I am talking about real estate or investment project 15: 14:43 5　A. For example, I make all the decision on the 15: 11: 56　5 in New York. 15:14:47 6 daily operation, including outfit-- 15:12:00　6 Q. Okay. And that was -- 15:14:47 7　Q. I'm not asking about -- I'm not asking about 15: 12:04　A. I didn't convince him. I didn't convince 15:14:49 8 daily operations. I'm asking about a decision 15:12:07　8 him. They are all more than a million projects; 15:14:51 15:12: II 9 involving more than a million dollars.　9 right? 15:14:54 10　Has there ever been -- 15:12:15　And I-- and I just testified this 15:14:54 11　A. I don't understand what you are asking 15:12:17　11 afternoon -- this morning, and he made decision about 15: 14:56 12 about. More than a million dollars is very general. 15: 12:20　12 the vehicles, which I don't align with that. But, of 15:15:00 13 I mean, I don't understand what you are asking, sir. 15: 12:23　13 course, we didn't get agreement, and he purchased the 15: 15 :06 14　Q. Okay. You just told me a moment ago that 15:12:25　14 cars. Because I don't agree with that; so that is 15:15:09 15 there have been occasions when you have disagreed 15: 12:28　15 the reason why I don't want to get too much of 15:15:12 16 with Mr. QiangGuo;right? 15:12:31　16 details, even as the president. We are a family 15:15:14 17　A. That's right. 15: 12:33　17 office;right? 15:15:18 18　Q. Okay. My question to you is has there ever 15:12:34　Ifwedon'tgetalignedand--thatheis 15:15:19 19 been a disagreement between you and him about 15:12:38　19 the owner of the company about the director; right? 15:15:21 20 a decision that involved more than a million dollars? 15: 12:43　20 So he made the decision about the vehicles, 15:15:25 21　A. More than a million dollars? 15:12:48　21 and then I made the decision about the investment 15:15:30 22　Q. Yes. 15:12:52　22 opportunity. And then we did have disagreement. We 15:15:33 23　A. I mean, we did have some disagreements in 15: 12:53　23 take care of -- we take care of the result by the 15:15:35 24 the very beginning about some potential investment 15:12:58　24 end. 15:15:37 25 project; so we didn't get agreement, and he was 15:13:01 Page 179　25 Q. Okay. All right. And so there -- I think 15:15:37 46 (Pages 1 78 - 181) 1 I understand your answer, but there are two things 15:15:39　Q. Well, then tell me -- tell me another 15:18:50 2 that I just want to clarify and make sure of. 15:15:43　2 example then. Tell me another example of a decision 15: 18:54 3　Number one, examples of disagreement. 15: 15:45　3 involving more than a million dollars with which you 15:18:57 4 I asked you about timing. You just explained that 15:15:48　4 disagree and your opinion prevailed, besides the real 15: 19 :00 5 one of those examples was when you were appointed in 15:15:52　5 estate project that you have already mentioned three 15:19:05 6 2018the--youmentionedarealestateproject. 15:15:55　6 times. 15:19:08 7 Understood. 15:15:59　7　Any other example? 15:19:09 8　You also mentioned the vehicles just now 15:16:00　8　A. I answered already. 15:19:12 9 that we were talking about earlier today. 15:16:03　9　Q. Are any of the \$21 million in litigation 15:19:14 10　Any other examples that you can think of? 15:16:07　10 loans to Golden Spring (New York) expected to be 15: 19:29 11　A. You are asking me about more than a million, 15:16:12　11 repaid? 15:19:32 12 which -- I mean, the advisement project, they are 15:16:19　12　A. Yes. 15:19:34 13 more than a million. 15:16:23　13　Q. Are any of the loans in writing? 15:19:34 14　Q. I understand. And I got that. 15:16:24　14　A. Yes. 15:19:41 15　I'm asking whether there are any other 15:16:26　15　Q. Have you seen the -- the documents for any 15:19:41 16 examples, besides those two. 15:16:29　16 of the loans? 15:19:49 17　A. Weareafamilyofficeinhere. Ifyouare 15:16:32　17　A. Yes. 15:19:53 18 asking about his father's legal thing, I mean that 15:16:39　18　Q. Where are they? 15:19:53 19 his father-- as per Mr. Qiang Guo advise me, his 15:16:44　19　A. They are in my office. 15:19:55 20 father might want to bring some litigation, which he 15: 16:47　20　Q. On East 64th Street or wherever? 15:20:02 21 was asking my advice, which I give him my advice and 15:16:51　21　A. What do you mean, wherever? 15:20:09 22 then he took it to support his father or not. That 15: 16: 56　22　Q. I'm sorry. I'm trying to avoid using the 15:20:11 23 happened also. 15: 16:59　23 exact address. 15:20:15 24　Q. With respect -- with respect to the -- the 15:17:00　24　Are they at the family office in 15:20:15 25 vehicles, I believe you said that even though you 15: 17:05　25 New York City? 15:20: 18 Page 182　Page 184 1 disagreed, Mr. Qiang Guo decided to buy the vehicles 15:17:09　1　A. I believe in the morning of -- this morning 15:20:18 2 anyway; right? 15: 17:14　2 I already testified my address, which you have it, 15:20:21 3　A. That's right. 15:17:16　3 sir. It is on the 64th Street office, Golden Spring 15:20:25 4　Q. Okay. Andisn'tthattruethat,ingeneral, 15:17:19　4 (New York)'s office. 15:20:29 5 if you disagree, as you said, Mr. Qiang Guo is going 15: 17:29　5　Q. Okay. 15:20:29 6 to be the one who decides, according to you? 15:17:34　6　A. You don't need to avoid mentioning the 15:20:30 7　A. No. 15:17:38　7 address, sir. You have it. 15:20:34 8　It is -- it happened on his side also. If 15:17:41　8　Q. Well, forgive me for being extra careful in 15:20:36 9 I don't disagree, he will go with me. 15:17:46　9 light of your security concerns. 15:20:40 10　Q. Okay. Can you think of an example where you 15: 17:49　10　A. Thank you. 15:20:43 11 have disagreed and your point of view prevailed and 15:17:57　11　Q. Is that -- is that the address where the 15:20:44 12 the decision at issue involved more than a million 15: 18: 10　12 loan documents are located? 15:20:45 13 dollars? 15:18:14　13　A. Correct. 15:20:47 14　A. Sir, Ijustrepliedtoyourquestion. Like, 15:18:17　14　Q. How many such loan documents are there? 15:20:47 15 the real estate property investment project. 15:18:21　15　A. Several of them. 15:20:51 16　Q. Besides -- besides that one. 15:18:25　16　Q. More than ten? 15:20:52 17　A. !mean, as I explained, that is our business 15:18:29　17　A. Several of them. 15:20:58 18 plan; right? 15:18:32　18　Q. Do you know whether it is more than ten or 15:21:00 19　We do real estate investment. 15:18:33　19 not? 15:21:02 20　Ialreadytestifiedthatasafamilyoffice; 15:18:35　20　A. I replied, several of them. 15:21:04 21 right? 15:18:38　21　Q. Did you sign them? 15:21:07 22　Q. I'm -- I'm going to interpret your answer as 15: 18:39　22　A. Yes. 15:21:11 23 that is the only example you can think of. 15:18:42　23　Q. Who signed them for the borrower? 15:21:12 24　A. I don't agree. I don't agree. This is not 15:18:44　24　A. The borrower signed it. 15:21:19 25 my answer. I give you my answer very clear. 15: 18:47 Page 183　25　Q. Who is the borrower? 15:21:23 47 (Pages 182 - 185) 1　A. Mr. Ho Wan Kwok. 15:21:25　1 specifically do you mean by documented? 15:24:25 2　Q. Okay. Were you present when he signed them? 15:21:27　2 MR. HARBACH: Sure. 15:24:28 3　A. I don't recall. 15:21:30　3 What I mean is that the witness has 15:24:30 4　Q. Okay. How many of the \$21 million in loan 15:21:33　4 indicated earlier in her testimony that some of the 15:24:34 5 are undocumented? 15:21 :42　5 loans were in writing and that there were loan 15:24:38 6　A. I don't recall. I couldn't give you the 15:21:44　6 agreements; so that is how I interpreted her answer. 15:24:44 7 precise number. 15:21:50　7 And I -- and I gather that some ofthem were and some 15:24:47 8　MR. HARBACH: Okay. Well, we'll -- we'll 15:21:51　8 of them weren't. And so when I say documented loans, 15:24:50 9 request -- Scott, we'll request that Golden Spring 15:21:54　9 I mean the loans for which there is a written loan 15:24:54 10 (New York) Limited immediately produce to us all of 15 :21:59　10 agreement that she signed and that the borrower 15:24:58 11 the documents that the witness has just described, 15:22:02　11 signed. 15:25:03 12 namely, the loan agreements substantiating any 15:22:09　12 Does that help? 15:25:05 13 portion of the \$21 million in litigation loans that 15:22:13　MR. ROSEN: Yes. 15:25:06 14 the debtor has taken out from Golden Spring 15 :22: 16　14 Thank you. 15:25:08 15 (New York). 15:22:20　15 MR. HARBACH: Okay. 15:25:09 16　MR. ROSEN: I understand the request, and we 15:22:21　16 BY MR. HARBACH: 15:25:10 17 will take it under advisement. 15:22:23　17 Q. So Ms. Wang, does that change -- that 15:25:10 18　MR. HARBACH: Okay. 15:22:25　18 doesn't change any of your answers, I assume. 15:25:13 19 BY MR. HARBACH: 15:22:29　Did you understand what! meant? 15:25:15 20　Q. Ms. Wang, are you familiar with the terms of 15:22:29　A. I replied my question. That is the best of 15:25: 17 21 any of those loans, meaning the litigation loans? 15:22:32　21 my knowledge for this second. 15:25:22 22　A. They are loans. They have interest. They 15:22:36　22 Q. Okay. So just to make -- just to -- to 15 :25 :24 23 should be paid back. 15:22:43　23 recap and make sure I understand. 15:25:27 24　Q. What interest rate? 15:22:44　24 There is approximately \$21 million in 15:25:31 25　A. I couldn't remember clearly. I couldn't 15:22:46 Page 186　25 litigation loans that have been made by Golden Spring 15:25:35 I remember clearly. Like, 2, 3 percent. I couldn't 15:22:53　I (New York) to Mr. Ho Wan Kwok; correct? 15:25:39 2 remember. 15:22:56　2 A. Correct. 15:25:41 3　Q. Who negotiated the interest rate on those 15:22:56　3 Q. And some ofthose loans are -- are 15:25:47 4 loans for Golden Spring (New York)? 15:22:59　4 documented, by which I mean there is a written loan 15:25:50 5　A. Me and Mr. Qiang Guo, we designed it. 15:23:01　5 agreement; correct? 15:25:55 6　Q. Who negotiated with the -- the borrower, 15:23:06　6 A. Correct. 15:25:57 7 Mr. Ho Wan Kwok, for the interest rate on these 15:23:13　7 Besides that, we do have notes, like, on our 15:25:59 8 loans? 15:23:16　8 financial book that recorded as a loan also. 15:26:06 9　A. I don't recall. 15:23:18　Q. Okay. And then some of those loans do not 15:26:08 10　Q. Did you communicate with Mr. Ho Wan Kwok 15:23:21　10 have a -- a loan agreement in writing; correct? 15:26:11 11 about the interest rate on these loans? 15:23:26　A. But in our financial records it is 15:26:16 12　A. I don't recall. 15:23:29　12 documented as a loan; correct. 15:26:20 13　Q. Is the interest rate the same on all of the 15:23:32　Q. I understand. I understand. 15:26:22 14 loans? 15:23:38　14 But my point is for those, there is not 15:26:24 15　A. As far as I know, I remember, yes. 15:23:39　15 a loan agreement that you signed and that 15:26:28 16　Q. Is the total figure of approximately 15:23:45　16 Mr. Ho Wan Kwok signed that contains an interest rate 15:26:31 17 \$21 million in litigation loans about correct, to 15:23:50　I 7 and formal terms; right? 15:26:36 18 yourrecollection? 15:23:56　18 A. Correct. 15:26:40 19　A. Approximately number -- yes. Correct. 15:23:57　19 There were some other loans between 15:26:41 20　Q. Okay. And approximately how much of that 15:24:02　20 Mr. Qiang Guo and Mr. Ho Wan Kwok also. 15:26:45 21 21 million is in documented loans? 15:24:05　Q. Okay. 15:26:47 22　A. I don't have it on the top of my head. 15:24:08　22 A. So financial notes was the loan agreement 15:26:48 23　MR. ROSEN: Can I ask, David, can you please 15:24:18　23 and then with our loan -- 15:26:52 24 clarify. 15:24:21　24 Q. Okay. 15:26:55 25　When you say documented loans, what 15:24:22 Page 187　25 A. -- agreement. 15:26:56 48 (Pages 186 - 189) Q. And so for the ones -- not the ones that 15:26:57　MR. HARBACH: Sure. 15:29:50 2 were oral, but the ones that are in writing, you said 15:26:59　2 BY MR. HARBACH: 15:29:51 3 those documents are currently at the East 64th Street 15:27:04　Q. Was Golden Spring (New York) Limited 15:29:52 4 office; correct? 15:27:12　4 involved in assisting Mr. Kwok in filling out his 15:29:54 A. Correct. 15:27:13 5　5 bankruptcy schedules or his statement of financial 15:29:58 MR. HARBACH: Okay. So Scott, it is those 15:27:15 6　6 affairs? 15:30:01 7 documents that we are requesting. 15:27:19　A. No. 15:30:03 MR. ROSEN: I understand. 15:27:20 8　Q. What about Mr. K wok's monthly operating 15:30:04 Thank you. 15:27:22 9　9 reports? Do you know what those are? 15:30:14 10 BY MR. HARBACH: 15:27:22　10 A. Yes. 15:30:17 II Q. Okay. Now, Ms. Wang, with respect to the 15:27:23　Q. Okay. Was anyone at Golden Spring 15:30:20 12 oral loans, who recorded them? 15:27:26　12 (New York) involved in helping prepare 15:30:24 A. What do you mean, who recorded them? For 15:27:31 13　13 Mr. Ho Wan Kwok's monthly operating reports? 15:30:28 14 Golden Spring? 15:27:34　14 A. We were requested to pull out his lifestyle 15:30:31 15:27:34 Q. Yes, ma'am. 15　15 expenses. That is, I directed Golden Spring to help. 15:30:40 I think you just mentioned a moment ago that 15:27:35 16　16 Q. Okay. Who made the request to you? 15:30:47 17 even the loans that were not documented with a loan 15 :27:39　17 A. I couldn't remember. Probably his attorney. 15:30:49 18 agreement were recorded on the books of Golden Spring 15:27:41　18 I couldn't remember. 15:30:57 19 (New York); right? 15:27:46　Q. Okay. And ifl understand you correctly, 15:30:58 A. Correct. 15:27:47　20 you directed one of your employees to assist? 15:31:00 Q. So I'm asking who recorded them on the 15:27:47 21　A. Correct. 15:31:06 22 books? 15:27:50　MR. HARBACH: Okay. And I'll just note for 15:31:07 A. Golden Spring's finance. 15:27:51 23　23 the record, Scott, that I won't ask who that person 15:31:09 Q. Okay. Was that at your direction? 15:27:55　24 is because I understand that you will object on the 15:31:17 A. Correct. 15:27:59　25 same basis as before. And I'll just note that we 15:31:20 Page 190　Page 192 Q. How did you learn about the terms of those 15:28:00 I　I continue to disagree with that objection. 15:31:24 2 oral loans? 15:28:04　2 Is that okay? 15:31:26 A. I got to know from Mr. Qiang Guo also. 15:28:07 3　MR. ROSEN: Yes. 15:31:27 Q. Were you personally involved in negotiating 15 :28: 10 4　4 BY MR. HARBACH: 15:31:35 5 any or -- or tendering any oral loans to 15:28:16　Q. Do you know what the firm Verdolino & Lowey 15:31:35 6 Mr. Ho Wan Kwok? 15:28:22　6 is? 15:31:42 A. I didn't attend the -- the conversation 15:28:23 7　7 A. Verdolino Lowey. 15:31:43 8 between Mr. Qiang Guo and his father, no. I didn't. 15:28:30　8 Q. Have you ever heard of them? 15:31:45 Q. HasMr.HoWanKwokeveraskedyoufor 15:28:33　9 A. No. 15:31:48 10 a loan from Golden Spring? 15:28:36　I don't recall. 15:31:53 A. I don't recall. 15:28:38 11　Q. Okay. Do you know who Craig Jalbert is? 15 :31: 53 Q. Does that mean it is possible that he has? 15:28:40 12　A. I don't know this name. 15:31:59 A. I don't recall. 15:28:49 13　Q. Okay. 15:31:59 Q. With apologies if I asked you this question 15 :28:57　14 A. Craig Jalbert. 15:32:02 15 before. I honestly don't remember. 15:29:00　Q. This may seem obvious from your earlier 15:32:03 Have you ever spoken to Mr. Ho Wan Kwok 15:29:02　16 answer, but please bear with me. 15:32:15 17 about any of the litigation loans, whether oral or 15:29:06　17 Leaving aside the person's name, is it true 15:32:18 18 written? 15:29:11　18 that there are personnel at Golden Spring (New York) 15:32:26 A. I don't recall. 15:29: 12　19 Limited who could assist in compiling and calculating 15:32:31 Q. Were you personally involved in helping 15:29:13　20 the lifestyle expenses of Mr. Ho Wan Kwok? 15:32:40 21 Mr. Kwok fill out his bankruptcy schedules and his 15:29:33　21 A. Yes. 15:32:48 22 statement of financial affairs? 15:29:38　22 Q. Focusing now just for a moment on those 15:32:49 MR. ROSEN: Objection. The witness is not 15:29:41 23　23 lifestyle expenses. 15:33:07 24 here to testify in her personal capacity. I would 15:29:44 25 ask you to rephrase the question. 15:29:48　24 Okay? 15:33:10 A. Yes. 15:33:12 49 (Pages 190 - 193) Q. Has -- has Mr. Kwok ever made any requests 15:33:12　1 safety of his father; so the communication that 15:36:17 2 to you to have Golden Spring (New York) pay for 15:33:21　2 happens between Ho Wan Kwok and the security to 15:36:21 3 expenses related to his lifestyle? 15:33:28　3 arrange the trip to Manhattan; so that one I don't 15:36:22 15:33:31 Excuse me.　4 need to get involved because it is too small for me. 15:36:26 A. I don't recall, but it is possible. 15:33:33 5　Q. Okay. And then what about other day-to-day 15:36:30 Q. Okay. What I'm asking about is, you know, 15:33:39　6 lifestyle needs, like in a recent proceeding the -- 15:36:34 7 hey, Yvette, I need Golden Spring to pay for me to 15:33:46　7 the U.S. Trustee asked about what ifhe needed to buy 15:36:42 8 drive to Manhattan or I need Golden Spring to pay for 15:33:52　8 a pair of shoes? 15:36:47 9 this suit that I need for my trip to court -- things 15:33:57　Just walk us through how that happens. 15:36:49 10 like that. 15:34:02　A. I don't even -- I mean, yes. I review some 15:36:52 Does he make requests to you like that? 15:34:03 11　11 of the credit card bill or the bills, but I do have 15:36:56 A. I don't recall. But there was some requests 15:34:06 12　12 my finance. I mean, I don't need to do finance job. 15 :37:00 13 that he made -- he made to me, like, as before, like, 15:34: 15　13 I don't even remember to see very often he buys 15:37:04 14 buy some very expensive, like, furniture, I believe. 15:34: 19　14 shoes. I mean -- 15:37:09 15 And I -- obviously, it is more than his lifestyle. 15:34:22　Q. Does he buy anything? 15:37:12 16 I report itto Mr. Qiang Guo, and Mr. Qiang Guo 15:34:26　16 A. Yes. 15:37:14 17 reject it -- 15:34:29　17 He buy -- he buy clothes, yes. 15:37:16 Q. Okay. 15:34:29 18　18 Q. Okay. So how does he buy clothes? 15:37:20 A. -- so I reject it to him also. 15:34:30　19 A. He buy clothes from the shops, I believe. 15:37:23 Q. Right. 15:34:32　20 Q. Okay. Does he physically go to the shops or 15:37:28 A. Yeah. 15:34:34 21　21 does he shop online? 15:37:32 Q. I'm asking about, you know, day-to-day 15:34:34　22 MR. HARBACH: Scott, I promise I am just 15:37:34 23 stuff, like the -- however -- you know, I don't mind 15 :34:37　23 trying to understand. I don't -- I won't dwell here 15:37:37 24 telling you it has been a real mystery to all ofus 15:34:43　24 unnecessarily. 15:37:39 25 creditors and, I think, to the U.S. Trustee how 15:34:48　25 Ill Page 194　Page 196 I Mr. Kwok pays for things. We really have had 15:34:52　I BY MR. HARBACH: 15:37:40 2 a difficult time figuring out how that happens. And 15:34:55　Q. Go ahead, Ms. Wang. 15:37:41 3 so I am hoping that you can help me understand 15:34:58　A. I don't get involves in his personal life; 15:37:43 4 a little bit because, according to him, Golden Spring 15 :35:01　4 so I cannot say. 15:37:47 5 (New York) Limited pays for all this stuff. And 15:35:04　Q. So you don't -- you don't know whether he 15:37:48 6 since you are the president and treasurer of 15:35:07　6 likes to go in the stores to shop orhe shops online? 15:37:51 7 Golden Spring (New York) Limited, I'm hoping you can 15:35:09　7 A. I do see bills from the shops, which 15:37:57 8 help us understand. 15:35:14　8 !verify. Ihavethefinanceverifythatitwashis 15:38:03 So I know we talked earlier about your 15:35: 15 9　9 purchase. 15:38:08 10 review of credit card bills and -- and so forth, but 15 :35: 17　10 Q. Okay. 15:38:08 II for something like that, say Mr. -- Mr. Ho Wan Kwok 15:35:21　A. We take care of that; so I don't need to 15:38:09 12 needs to take a trip into Manhattan for some reason 15:35:26　12 follow him -- 15:38:13 13 and he needs a car. 15:35:30　Q. All right. 15:38: 13 Does he come to you? I mean, you say you 15:35:33　14 A. -- where he goes; right? 15:38:14 15 run the day-to-day operations of Golden Spring. 15:35:36　So I don't know -- 15:38:14 Does he come to you or -- or send you 15:35:40 16　16 Q. No. 15:38:17 17 a message and say, hey, I need a car set up? I mean, 15 :35 :42　17 I -- I know that. I'm not suggesting you 15:38:17 18 how does that work? 15:35:46　18 follow him. 15:38: 19 A. Okay. So to reply to this specific 15:35:48 19　19 What I'm really just trying to understand is 15:38:20 20 question, as the president of a company, I mean, 15:35:50　20 how does the transaction happen? Mr. Kwok walks into 15:38:23 21 I already don't deal with this kind of very small 15:35:53　21 Saks Fifth Avenue and sees a suit he wants to buy. 15:38:29 22 request from him; so Golden Spring does have 15:35:57　22 Let's just pretend that's what happens. 15:38:35 23 a security which, as you understood probably, sir, 15:36:01　23 Okay? 15:38:37 24 like as per Mr. Qiang, was a regiment because 15:36:06　24 And he is in there, and he says, I like that 15:38:38 25 Mr. Qiang would -- does care the most is the life 15:36:13　25 suit. And he tries it on, and it looks good, and so 15:38:41 50 (Pages 194 - 197) 1 he wants to buy it. 15:38:45　Q. Okay. So I think you do know my question, 15:41:55 What happens next? How does it get from 15:38:47　2 and it is really not hard. But it seems to be really 15:42:02 3 there to being on a bill that you see? 15:38:49　3 hard to get an answer to it. 15:42:06 A. Oh, that doesn't happen often at all. That 15:38:54　How does Mr. Ho Wan Kwok purchase things, 15:42:10 5 is number one. And that did happen before. Like, 15:38:58　5 and how does what -- something that he wants to buy 15:42:20 6 sometimes I can see from the securities credit 15:39:03　6 and buys end up on a bill for you to review? And you 15:42:23 7 card-- debit card -- let me correct -- to see that 15:39:07　7 have given me one example. 15:42:27 8 purchase. And then, obviously, my finance will dive 15:39:10　You said there are times when Mr. Qiang Guo 15:42:29 9 in and verify and confirm that he has purchased. But 15:39:14　9 will purchase something, and it will then end up on 15:42:31 10 that does not happen often at all. 15:39:17　10 a bill for you to review and verify; right? 15:42:35 Q. Okay. Well, you did mention that he buys 15:39:21 11　A. No. 15:42:42 12 clothes; right? 15:39:24　That is not my answer. You misunderstood 15:42:42 A. Yes. 15:39:27　13 me, sir. 15:42:45 Q. Okay. So you give me an example of how he 15:39:28 14　Q. Okay. Please explain. 15:42:46 15 will buy some clothes. 15:39:34　15 A. I will use my translator since you have been 15:42:49 If the Saks Fifth Avenue example doesn't 15:39:36　16 misunderstanding me along the way, which I don't feel 15:42:53 17 happen very often, tell me what does happen. 15:39:40　17 you get this. Sorry. 15:42:57 A. He just doesn't buy clothes very often, not 15:39:43　Like, can I have my interpreter -- 15:43:01 19 only the shoes at Saks Fifth Avenue. 15:39:49　19 Q. Absolutely. 15:43:04 Q. Does Mr. Kwok have a credit card? 15:39:54　20 A. -- I mean, to help me. 15:43:05 A. As far as I know, he doesn't have. At least 15:40:07　21 Q. Absolutely. 15:43:06 22 Golden Spring never give him. 15:40:12　MR. HARBACH: So for clarity of the record, 15:43:07 Q. Does he have a debit card? 15:40:14　23 Ms. Johnston, the question is I'm trying to 15:43 :09 A. Golden Spring didn't give him. 15:40:17　24 understand how -- when Mr. Ho Wan Kwok wants to 15:43:13 Q. How do the things that he does purchase end 15 :40:20　25 purchase something, how does it get -- from the 15:43:16 Page 198　Page 200 1 up on a bill that you review? Tell me how that 15:40:25　I decision by Mr. Ho Wan Kwok to purchase something, 15:43:20 2 happens 15:4030　2 how does that end up on a bill that Ms. Wang sees? 15:43:25 A. For his clothes, I mean, I know, like, 15:40:31　THE INTERPRETER: (Question interpreted.) 15:43:29 4 Mr. Qiang Guo, he has some shops in Manhattan. When 15:40:36　THE WITNESS: (Through the Interpreter) 15:43:29 5 he ism Manhattan he -- he -- I mean, quite often 15:40:43　5 Okay. First of all, when I say when I review bills, 15:44:38 6 shopping there, and sometimes I saw the bill from the 15:40:49　6 those were only in respect to Mr. Ho Wan Kwok's 15:44:44 7 shop, which I -- obviously finance will need to 15:40:52　7 purchase for clothing and shoes. And Mr. Qiang Guo 15:44:47 8 verify. If not, Mr. Qiang Guo purchase. But, like, 15:40:55　8 has certain shops he goes to on a regular basis; so 15:44:51 9 his father has purchased. That happened before; so 15:40:59　9 if his father were to shop there, then the shop would 15 :44: 57 10 like -- that is, like, in my understanding 15:41:03　10 know to send the bill to New York Golden Spring; so 15:45:02 11 :tvrr. Qiang Guo took care of his father. 15:4106　11 in other words his father's purchase was under 15:45: 10 Q. So Mr. QiangGuowillbuysomethingforhis 15:41:08 12　12 Mr. Qiang Guo's profile. 15:45:14 13 dad, finance it. 15:41: 12　I don't think maybe you understood what 15:45:16 Golden Spring will verify that how? By 15:41 :14　14 I meant. That is why I wanted the interpreter to 15:45:18 15 calling :tvrr. Qiang Guo and asking him? 15:41 :16　15 interpret for me. 15:45:21 A. Sometimes we do that, yes. 15:41 :19　16 BY MR. HARBACH: 15:45:23 Q. Okay. And when Mr. Qiang Guo is in the UK, 15:41 :21　Q. Thank you very much. 15:45:23 18 as you have told me is where he lives, how does that 15:41:27　And I do understand that example. 15:45:26 19 changethings? HowdoesMr.--Mr.HoWanKwokbuy 15:41:31 20 something while his son is in the UK? 15:41:36　19 What about for groceries? 15:45:28 A. (In English) Groceries, I mean, he lives in 15:45:33 A. What do you mean, change things? I mean, 15:41 :39 21　21 his wife's house; so ifthere is any grocery needed 15:45:41 22 the shops obviously know Mr. Qiang Guo, whether he is 15:41 :43　22 to be purchased, it is for both of them; so what 15:45:45 23 in New York or not; so the father came and then 15:41:47　23 Golden Spring was requested to pull out, like, 15:45:51 24 shopping there. I mean, I don't know what is your 15 :41 :52　24 Mr. Ho Wan Kwok, his grocery purchase from his wife, 15:45:58 15 4154 25 question, sir.　25 like a general purchase; so I mean, the husband, the 15:46:03 51 (Pages 198 - 201) 1 wife live together. He is living in his wife's 15:46:08　1　THE WITNESS: I don't know. 15:48:20 2 house. It doesn't make sense, like, he buy his own 15 :46: 11　2　MR. ROSEN: She testified numerous times 15:48:25 3 stuff, separate account. 15:46:14　3 that he is not authorized as a user of the card, and 15:48:27 4　Q. I understand that. 15:46:15　4 she has answered this question numerous times. 15:48:30 5　I'm just asking how the groceries are paid 15:46:16　5　MR. HARBACH: I don't believe she said -- it 15:48:32 6 for. 15:46:19　6 wasn't a question of whether he was an authorized 15:48:32 7　A. It paid by Golden Spring also. 15:46:21　7 user. I believe she said that he never used it. 15:48:35 8　Q. Same question as before. 15:46:26　8 BY MR. HARBACH: 15:48:38 9　Do they just go to a grocery store and the 15:46:29　9　Q. Does his wife use it? 15:48:38 10 grocery store sends the bill to Golden Spring? Or do 15:46:34　10　A. Usewhat? 15:48:40 11 they buy their groceries online? How does that work? 15:46:38　11　Q. The debit card or the credit card to buy 15:48:42 12　A. Grocery, most of them go with the debit 15:46:42　12 groceries? 15:48:47 13 card. 15:46:46　13　A. It is possible. 15 :48:48 14　Q. Okay. 15:46:46　14　Q. Do you know one way or the other? 15:48:51 15　A. And buy-- 15:46:47　A. I mean, I don't live in their home; right? 15:48:59 16　Q. So 15:46:50　16 Who is buying groceries? From my end, I can't see, 15:49:03 17　A. And buy online also, yes. 15:46:52　17 like, an Amazon purchase or, like, a Whole Foods 15:49:09 18　Q. Okay. And so even if the purchase is 15:46:53　18 purchase. Who uses those cards? I need to find out. 15:49:11 19 online, some sort of card, like if it is a debit card 15:46:56　19　Q. Okay. So it sounds like, from what you just 15:49:14 20 or a credit card, needs to be used; right? 15:47:03　20 said, it could have been Mr. Ho Wan Kwok's wife or it 15:49:19 21　A. Correct. 15:47:07　21 could have been Mr. Ho Wan Kwok, couldn't it? 15:49:23 22　Q. Okay. Who uses that card? 15:47:08　22　A. I'm not giving you an answer in here because 15:49:26 23　A. Who use that card? 15:47:10　23 I don't know. 15:49:32 24　They -- people. I mean, his wife use it 15:47:16　24　Q. That is what I'm getting at. You don't 15:49:32 25 also. 15:47:20 Page 202　25 know. 15:49:35 I　Q. Does he ever use the -- 15:47:20　From what you are looking at on the bill, 15:49:36 2　A. !mean-- 15:47:23　2 you don't know who used the card, do you? Do you? 15:49:38 3　Q. Does he ever use the card? 15:47:24　3　A. Youaretalkingaboutgrocery? 15:49:47 4　A. I don't think so. He doesn't read English 15:47:26　4　Q. I'm talking about the examples you just 15:49:49 5 at all, so 15:47:30　5 gave, Whole Foods or whatever else. 15:49:51 6　Q. I mean, well, I don't know that you need to 15:47:31　6　When you see that on the bill, you just said 15:49:53 7 read English to use a credit card or a debit card. 15:47:33　7 you don't know who uses the card; correct? 15:49:56 8　Does he ever use the card to make purchases 15:47:37　8　A. The family uses the card. I do know. The 15:50:00 9 himself? 15:47:42　9 family uses the card. 15:50:04 10　A. Which time period you are asking about and 15:47:42　10　Q. Sure. Sure. 15:50:06 11 by what kind of purchase methods? 15:47:44　11　And Mr. Ho Wan Kwok is a member of the 15:50:07 12　Q. You-- 15:47:44　12 family, isn't he? 15:50: 10 13　A. If you are asking about online, he doesn't 15:47:47　13　A. Correct. 15:50:12 14 read English. 15:47:50　14　But he does not read English at all. 15:50:13 15　I mean, you have to be able to read English 15:47:51　15　Q. Okay. Does his wife? 15:50: 16 16 to shopping online; right? 15:47:53　16　A. His wife what? 15:50:18 17　Q. Does that -- 15:47:53　17　Q. Does his wife read English? 15:50:21 18　A. So with that, I can confirm he doesn't. 15:47:54　18　A. I don't believe so. 15:50:24 19　Q. Were -- well, number one, I'm pretty sure 15:47:55　19　MR. HARBACH: Okay. Give me just thirty 15:50:29 20 there are Websites in Chinese. 15:48:00　20 seconds, please. 15:50:32 21　And, number two, let's just stick with the 15:48:03　21 BY MR. HARBACH: 15:53:11 22 grocery example. 15:48:06　22　Q. Thank you for your patience. Hopefully 15:53:12 23　Does he ever use the credit card or the 15:48:11　23 I saved us a little time by taking that break. A few 15:53: 14 25　24 debit card to buy groceries? 15:48: 15 MR. ROSEN: Objection. 15:48:19　25　24 cleanup questions, and I think we are finished. 15:53:19 What is your understanding of how 15:53:22 52 (Pages 202 - 205) 1 Mr. Ho Wan Kwok is going to repay the \$21 million in 15:53:24 2 litigation loans? 15:53:28 3 A. I don't have understanding. I mean, he need 15:53:30 4 to pay back those loans ifhe win the case and then, 15:53:38 5 I mean, I assume there will be some success, and then 15:53:42 6 he should pay back the loan. That is all my 7 understanding. 15:53:49 8 Q. Is there a Golden Spring (New York) owned 9 car that stays at Mr. and Ms. Kwok's residence? 15:53:46 15:53:50 15:53:54 10 A. I don't recall. As I said, I am not a car 15:54:06 11 person. I mean, Mr. Qiang Guo will deal with the car 15:54:09 12 at that part. 15:54:13 13 Q. Well, doesn't Golden Spring (New York) 15:54:14 1 One -- one -- the famous one more question 15:57: 11 2 that we lawyers like to ask. 15:57:14 3 BY MR. HARBACH: 15:57:16 4 Q. You have mentioned a couple of times that 15:57:17 5 Golden Spring has enough money to carry on its daily 15 :57: 19 6 operations. 15:57:23 7 What is the operating budget for 15:57:25 8 Golden Spring (New York) for those daily operations? 15:57:29 9 The annual budget, say, approximately. 10 A. The annual is going to be anything 15:57:34 15:57:42 11 between -- I mean, operating mean paying the lease, 15:57:47 12 paying the employees and office supplies, furniture, 15:57:54 13 everything. 15:57:59 14 Limited pay for a chauffeur for Mr. Ho Wan Kwok? 15:54:17 14 Q. I'm asking, yeah, everything that you would 15:57:59 15 16 A. We pay the employees, yes. 15:54:23 Q. Okay. And my question to you isn't about 15:54:26 17 what kind of car it is. 15:54:30 18 I'm just asking whether there is a car and 15:54:32 19 a chauffeur that is available to Mr. Kwok whenever he 15:54:35 20 needs it. 15:54:39 21 A. I mean, Mr. Qiang Guo would -- does rent 15:54:44 22 a car for his father, and then Golden Spring pay the 15 :54: 50 23 chauffeur. That is what I can confirm. 15:54:53 15 lump under day-to-day operations, as you said 15:58:02 16 earlier. 15:58:06 17 A. I'm answering your question, sir. 15:58:07 18 It is anything and everything between annual 15:58:10 19 lease between 2 to 3 million, at least-- at least 15:58: 13 20 the minimal. 15:58:17 21 Q. Okay. All right. Those are all my 15:58:18 22 questions. 15:58:21 23 MR. HARBACH: I don't know if any of the 24 Q. Okay. Do you have personal knowledge of who 15:54:58 24 other counsel who have endured this to this point 15:58:23 15:58:24 25 owns the residence where they live? 15:55:04 I 2 3 MR. HARBACH: Don't worry, Scott. I won't stay here long. 15:55:11 THE WITNESS: You are asking personal Page 206 15:55:09 15:55:15 4 knowledge? 5 BY MR. HARBACH: 15:55: 18 15:55:19 6 7 Q. I'm asking if you know. 15:55:19 MR. ROSEN: If you know. It calls for 15:55:21 8 yes-or-no answer. 15:55:26 9 THE WITNESS: I don't have personal 15:55:26 10 knowledge. 15:55:28 11 MR. HARBACH: Okay. I'm going to make 15:55:29 12 a request, Scott, to supplement our earlier request 15:55:30 13 for the loan documents. 15:55:39 14 I'm also going to request that Golden Spring 15:55:40 15 (New York) please promptly produce to us the 15:55:43 16 notations in the books and records that the witness 15: 5 5: 50 17 referred to as evidencing the oral loans for 15:55:55 18 litigation. 15:56:02 19 Do you understand what I'm talking about? 15:56:04 20 21 22 MR. ROSEN: I'm just taking notes right now. 15:56:07 MR. HARBACH: Okay. 15:56:10 MR. ROSEN: I believe I understand your 23 question, and we will take that under advisement. 24 MR. HARBACH: Okay. Those are -- just -- 25 just one second, please. 15:56:27 15:56: 13 15:56: 15 15:56:18 Page 207 25 want to ask any questions. 15:58:28 I 2 Page 208 THE VIDEOGRAPHER: It doesn't sound like it. 15:58:39 MR. HARBACH: All right. Well, Ms. Wang, 15:58:42 3 thank you very much for your time and your patience 15:58:44 4 with my questions today. 15:58:48 5 THE VIDEOGRAPHER: We are offthe record at 15:58:51 6 3:58 p.m. 15:58:53 7 And this concludes today's testimony given 15:58:54 8 by Yvette Wang as a 30(b)(6) witness for 15:58:57 9 Golden Spring (New York). 15:59:00 10 The total number of media units used was one 15:59:00 11 and will be retained by Veritext Legal Solutions. 15:59:04 12 MR. HARBACH: This is David Harbach, of 16:03:38 13 O'Melveny & Myers, for Pacific Alliance. 16:04:03 14 And I would like to supplement the 16:04:06 15 deposition exhibits with one additional exhibit that 16:04: 10 16 will be called Exhibit 6. (Deposition Exhibit Number 6 16:04: 13 17 16:04: 13 18 19 was marked for identification.) 16:04:16 MR. HARBACH: And it is the notice of 16:04: 16 20 deposition for today's witness. I have spoken to the 16:04:21 21 deponent's counsel, Mr. Rosen, and he does not object 16:04:25 22 to it being added as an exhibit. 16:04:28 23 MR. ROSEN: Can we put -- put it up on the 16:04:32 24 screen? 16:04:36 25 MR. HARBACH: Yes. Yes. 16:04:37 Page 209 53 (Pages 206 - 209) 1 STATE OF CALIFORNIA) My colleague is working on that right now. 16:04:39 2　THE REPORTER: Mr. Rosen, would you like 16:05:30　) SS. 2 COUNTY or KERN 3 a copy of the transcript? 16:05:35　3 4　MR. ROSEN: Yes. 16:06:02　4 5　THE REPORTER: And would you like a rough? 16:06:09　5　I, B. Suzanne Hull, a Certified Shorthand 6　MR. ROSEN: Yes. 16:06:14　6 Reporter in the State of California, holding 7　Copy to be delivered tonight. 16:06:22　7 Certificate Number 13495, du hereby certify Uial 8 (4:28 p.m.)　8 YAN PING WANG, the witness named in the foregoing 9　--00000--　9 deposition, was by me duly sworn; that said 10　10 deposition, was taken Tuesday, April 12, 2022, at the II　11 time and place set forth on the first page hereof. 12　12　That upon the taking of the deposition, the 13　13 words of the witness were written down hy me in 14　14 stenotypy and thereafter transcribed by computer 15　15 under my supervision; that the foregoing is a true 16　16 and correct transcript of the testimony given by the 17　17 witness. 18　18　Pursuant to Federal Rule 30( e ), transcript 19　19 review was requested. 20　20　I further certify that I am neither counsel 21　21 for nor in any way related to any party to said 22　22 action, nor in any way interested in the result or 23　23 outcome thereof. 24　24 Ill 25　25 Ill Page 210　Page 212 1 STATE OF CALIFORNIA)　1　Dated this 12th day of April, 2022, at ) ss.　2 Bakersfield, California. 2 COUNTY OF KERN )　3 4　I, YAN PING WANG, do hereby certify:　4　Jj_ ~uzanne ttllll, L~.K l'W. 13495 5　That I have read the foregoing　5　~ 6 deposition;　6 7　That I have made such changes in form and/or　7 8 substance to the within deposition, as might be　8 9 necessary to render the same true and correct;　9 10　That having made such changes thereon, I　10 11 hereby subscribe my name to the deposition.　11 12　I declare, under penalty of perjury, that　12 13 the foregoing is true and correct.　13 14　__ day of _____ Executed this ,　14 15 2022, at , California.　15 16　16 17　17 18　18 19　19 20　20 21　21 22　22 23　23 24　24 25　Page 211　25　Page 213 54 (Pages 210 - 213) 1　YAN PING WANG　1 IN RE: HOW AN KWOK 2　goldenspringny@protonmail.com　2 YAN PING WANG, JOB NO. 5181285 3　April 12, 2022　3　ERRATA SHEET 4　IN RE: HO WAN KWOK　-- 4 PAGE　-- LINE　CHANGE 5　APRIL 12, 2022, YAN PING WANG, JOB NO. 5181285　5 6　The above-referenced transcript has been　-- 6 REASON　-- 7　completed by Veritext Legal Solutions and　7 PAGE　LINE　CHANGE 8　review of the transcript is being handled as follows:　8 9　_ Per CA State Code (CCP 2025.520 (a)-(e))- Contact Veritext　9 REASON 10　to schedule a time to review the original transcript at　10 PAGE　-- LINE　CHANGE 11　a Veritext office.　11 12　_ Per CA State Code (CCP 2025.520 (a)-(e))- Locked .PDF　-- 12 REASON　-- 13　Transcript - The witness should review the transcript and　13 PAGE　LINE　CHANGE 14　make any necessary corrections on the errata pages included　14 15　below, notating the page and line number of the corrections.　-- 15 REASON　-- 16　The witness should then sign and date the errata and penalty　16 PAGE　LINE　CHANGE 17　of perjury pages and return the completed pages to all　17 18　appearing counsel within the period of time determined at　-- 18 REASON　-- 19　the deposition or provided by the Code of Civil Procedure.　19 PAGE　LINE　CHANGE 20　_ Waiving the CA Code of Civil Procedure per Stipulation of　20 22　Counsel - Original transcript to be released for signature as determined at the deposition.　22　21 REASON 23　_ Signature Waived - Reading & Signature was waived at the　23 24　time of the deposition.　24 WITNESS　Date 25　25 Page 214　Page 216 1　_X_Federal R&S Requested (FRCP 30(e)(l)(B))-Locked .PDF 2　Transcript - The witness should review the transcript and 3　make any necessary corrections on the errata pages included 4　below, notating the page and line number of the corrections. 5　The witness should then sign and date the errata and penalty of perjury pages and return the completed pages to all 7　appearing counsel within the period of time determined at 8　the deposition or provided by the Federal Rules. 9　_ Federal R&S Not Requested - Reading & Signature was not 10　requested before the completion of the deposition. Veritext Legal Solutions 866 299-5127 55 (Pages 214 - 216) [& - 50] દિદ　4:24 22:17 14　2018 4:14 13:23　29:14 31:7 23rd ಳ 2:11 3:10 7:24　15 22:17　14:11,25 21:8　25 6:4 8:2,5,12 172:2,7　150 6:10　24:1,13,18 28:11　26 4:17 172:19 193:5　157 6:11　28:12 32:17,18,19　28 4:16 209:13 214:23　15th 57:22　33:11,20,25 34:5　રું - 1 રે 215:9　16 6:5 22:17　34:10 35:17 36:9　2:51 174:4 0　162 7:3　36:12 37:23 40:23　3 2:12　47:25 57:9,22　3 4:19 43:5 44:10 03/10/2015 168:5　166 રે : 3　61:17 62:1,8,19　187:1 208:19 2:23 3:12　16th 57:8　63:24 64:2,17　30 1:16 5:13 7:9 1　17 6:11　67:6,23,25 68:22　9:19 20:5,12 26:2 4:12 19:6.7 1　18 6:3,8 25:23　69:14,19 70:16　26:11 27:5 37:6 32:20,21 33:8　33:1735:15　71:3 72:1,7 73:16　38:6 44:20 65:19 35:2 46:18 73:11　4:12 47 . 25 19　73:25 75:10,12,25　209:8 212:18 87:23,24 88:2　1:00 112:8　77:14 78:11,14,21　215:1 91.4 166.7 215.1　112:18 1:01　78:22 79:3,13,16　301314 10:6 4:5 5:7　1:21 126:5　80:9, 18,20 90: 1,8　326-2293 2:18 2:22 18:18　1:34 126:9　90:20 96:17 166:5　331 83:10 65:22　2　169:3,16,24 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25:23 28:11　22-50073 1:87:14　50 146:16,17 166:8 168:15 514-2000 3:7　109:5 accept　advised 87:9　152:1,4,6 168:2 214:5　acceptable 11:16　134.22 148.3　171:11,12 172:15 216:2　125:25　150:8 159:10　179:14 190:16 રેરી 4:23　access 103:3,7,13　160:1　agree 135:2,9 104:6 6　advisement　137:3 178:21 account 124:25 6　111:20 182:12　181:14 183:24,24 1:16 5:9,13 7:9 125:8,11,14,22　186:17 207:23　agreement 137:16 9:19 20:5,12 26:2 126:22 127:1 26:11 27:5 37:6　affairs 191:22　144:18 145:10,17 38:6 44:20 65:19　128:4,6 202:3　192:6　145:22 146:8,21 209:8,16,17　124:12 accounts　affidavit 4:23　146:25 147:8 64th 7:3 184:20　124:21 158:22　43:19 56:17 57:6　160:25 162:11 185:3 190:3　accurate 29:22　58:5 59:9,10,12,17　165:23 179:25 6:6　31:4,5,5,11 51:4　60:10,12,14 61:13　181:13 188:10 76:1,4,13　61:25 62:5,8,16　189:5,10,15,22,25 7　acronym 132:12　63:10,11,13,21,24　190:18 2:7,17　action 212:22　64:1,13,21 65:5,9　agreements 728-5831 2:18　actions 127:2　65:25 66:9 67:5　186:12 188:6 8　activated 103:16　67:23 68:4,8　148.1 ah 142:23 143:2,11　activity 128:24　87:16 91:11 92:21　ahead 20:13 143:21,24 144:3　168:15 ad　affidavits 58:25　107:15 197:2 146:10　added 209:22　60:20 61:5 64:24　airport 35:24 213:3　additional 209:15　affiliation 26:7　aisling 2:15 166:21,22　address 27:2　affiliations 7:22　akas 58:11 2:23 3:12　71:14,18,20　afraid 170:9　alerted 157:21 9　184:23 185:2,7,11　afternoon 112:20　align 136:6 181:12 addressed 170:17　181:11　aligned 136:5 ರಿ 6:6　administrator　ago 12:10 15:24　137:8 165:23,23 3:11 90　47:951:25 52:15　17:19 25:14 29:20　165:23 178:23.24 9:15 7:2.6　54:21 55:2 58:8　30:3,20 36:6,6　181:18 ਨਾ　58:16,19 68:1,6,17　37:17 44:16 45:12　alliance 2:11 5:9 7:2.6 a.m.　68:19,25,25 69:6　49:11 60:17 61:19　7:11,25 8:12,14 abided 165:2　69:11 87:18 88:12　62:22 64:22 65:8　9:20 174:22 175:7 abilities 9:2,12　88:16 89:13 90:16　65:17 79:24 80:8　209:13 ability 13:15　91:2,14 95:6,9　80:24 85:21 96:4　amazon 204:17 able 10:23:23 31:9　adopt 65:17　96:12.12.14 97:13　amenable 112.9 64:14 168:23　advance 117:11　98:18 103:18　american 47:15 173:14 174:24　advice 133:6　104:21 119:17　51:9,17 175:8 203:15　182:21,21　120:11 121:13　amurray 2:19 absolutely 84:19　advise 138:7 143:4　132:8 135:16　announcement 101:17,19 200:19　143:4 182:19　138:17,20 140:16　174:10 200:21　140:16,24 145:1,3 [annual - assist] annual 168: 18　answering 12:3　approximate　105:6,11,15,18,25 172:24 208:9,10　119:24 156: 11　125: 10,21 126:21　119:21 121:7 208: 18　208: 17　approximately　133:1141:6 143:6 answer 6:2 11: 14　answers 97: 17　21:6 24: 11 65: 10　144:7 160:25 12:14 13:15 16:12　188: 18　73:20,25 113:16　164:25 169:8 20: 11 22:9, 10　anybody 164:22　127:6,16 129:13　177 :22 178: 11, 17 23:2126:16 29:12　anyway 94: 13　130:3 152:4 177:7　180: 11 182:4 29:13 31:2133:14　183:2　187:16,19,20　191:9,14 196:7 33:15 35:9,16,17　apart 156: 1　188:24 208:9　asking 27:3,4 31 :4 35:22 37:2, 15　apartment 72: 14　april 1:18 4:17 7:2　49:5, 16, 18 50:7,8 38:4 42:8,10,16　72:21　7:7 29: 14,23　60:10 61:4,8,11 45:4 47:5,7,9,16　apologies 76: 17　30: 11, 18 31:3, 7　63:1,12 64:17 47:23 50:4 52:4　174:9 191: 14　61:18 212:10　67:4 68:21 69:3,5 52: 19 54:24 55:4　apologize 87: 13　213:1214:3,5　70:6 71:3 72:24 61:6,9 63:17,19　apparent 124: 13　architecture　80:9 81:12 88:15 64:8 66:2,5,6,15　136:4　118: 11　98:8,21 102:20 67:9,11,12,16　apparently 168:9　arethusa 147: 14　107:4,5,7 110:14 74: 12, 13, 16, 19,22　173:6　argue 136: 10, 13　110: 17,19 112:22 74:25 76:23 77: 11　appear 48:5　arguing 66:3　116:9 124: 1,13,14 77:12,19 78:6,9,9　appearances 2: 1　arrange 141: 17　127: 16 132: 10 79:10,11,16 84:1,5　3:1 7:22　196:3　134:3 135:18 84:25 88: 19,20,24　appearing 214: 18　arranged 114: 15　138: 18 143 :20 90: 12 92: 14 94: 18　215:7　114:16,19 141:16　146:2 155:12 95: 19 97: 15 99:2　appointed 32: 14　159:3,7,21　156:3 160: 13 116:4, 15,20,22,23　34:9, 12,20 38:22　arrangement 37:5　168: 1 169:20,22 119:23 122: 10, 18　45:24 46:2,3,5　162: 14　176:4 179:7,7,8,11 126:24 129:9　49:4 50:23 97:4,8　arranging 111:6　179: 13 180:3,17 130: 11,25 132: 10　97:12 122:19　arrested 48: 11　182:11,15,18,21 132:14 133:8,9　166:3 173:4,7,16　84:6　190:21 194:6,22 134:24 140:4　174: 18 180:25　arrived 143: 11,21　199: 15 202:5 154: 19 158:5　182:5　143:24 144:3　203:10,13 206:18 159:20 160: 15　appreciate 67: 14　ascribe 86: 19　207:3,6 208:14 161: 1 165:20　157:25　asia 2: 11 5:9 9:20　asks 106:15 170: 11,22 175: 10　appropriate 41 :25　aside 44: 10 127:5　aspect 165:7 182: 1 183 :22,25　44:22 157:24　128:4,6 175:2　asset 130:14,22 183:25 188:6　approval 37:5　193: 17　assets 127:6,17 193: 16 200:3,12　107: 19,23　asked 21:8 22:5　128:6,23 129:4 204:22 207:8　approve 146: 12　48:6 53: 11 62:22　assignment 46:9 answered 31: 11　approved 107: 14　78:25 79:2,9　58:23 62: 12 184:8 204:4　159:2,6 177:25　82:10,15,19 87:17　assist 89: 16 92: 18 178:2 180:7　88:21 95:8 105:4　192:20 193: 19 [assistant - birnbaum] assistant 88:25　authorize 104: 13　123: 10 126:7　begins 47:5 74: 10 89:10,18 92:23　authorized 104: 16　149:17 170:14　behalf 137:6 93:2,9,14,19 95:1　164: 19 168: 14　174:6,20 186:23　166:14 95:10　204:3,6　206:4,6　beijing 86:14,16 assisted 15:25　automobile 110:21　background 26:7　86:24 89:24　automobiles　47: 13 155:2　believe 13 :22 assisting 192:4　111: 19　bakersfield 213 :2　14:14 18:3 21:6 assume 101:12,13　available 91:19　balance 125:10,22　24: 1, 1,22 31: 12 101: 14 109:9　92:2 146:5 206: 19　126:21 127: 19,22　32: 12 35: 13 42:23 188: 18 206:5　avenue 197:21　127:24 174:23　69:20 80: 1,25 assumed 46: 12　198:16,19　bank 124:12,18,21　81: 16 90:7 94:20 47: 19 49: 18　avoid 184:22　124:25 125:7,8,14　97:4,8 99: 1,23 169: 15　185:6　125:22 126:22　104: 16,20 105:9 assumes 166:9　avoids 71:22　127:1,5,21128:4,6　113:12 114:2,20 attached 146: 14　aware 11:2 108:12　128:9,10 129:17　117:21 128:8 attend 191:7　108: 14,14 156: 10　129:20 158:22　141: 14 143: 14 attention 21: 10　164:9 166:6 171: 1　174:23　144:25 156:8,9 84:4 145: 19　177:9 178:4 f--------------------,　banking 175:6　157:4 163 :5 146:23　b　bankruptcy 1: 1　170:15 172:14,17 attorney 2: 12,22　C-----b-1-: 1-6-,2-5 -4 :_9_5_: 3______,　7: 12 3 6:4, 16 3 7: 6　177: 17 182:25 3:5,11 63:25 68:9　5: 13 7:9 9: 19 20:5　48:24 94:7,20　185: 1 194: 14 134: 10 138:25　130:20 191:21　196:19 204:5,7 139: 1 140: 13　20:12 26:2,11 27:5 37:6 38:6　192:5　205: 18 207:22 145: 19 146: 18　44:20 65: 19 209:8　37: barely　bennett 2:5 8:9 147: 18,21 148:4　212:5 213:4 215:1　24: base　best 9: 1, 11 12:4 170: 15, 19,24　back 19:3 23:1,2　based 148:5　51:6 60: 1, 1 62:9 171:16 172:3　23:21 30:5 31:9　161:24 165: 22　64:2 188:20 192: 17　32:3,20 36: 12　basic 26:6,8　better 30:2 76: 16 attorney's 134: 11　37:23 44:1146:18　99:lO basics　76: 18 103: 19,20 170:16 171:18　48:7,13 49:10　basis 85:20 130:21　beyond 27:1 attorneys 2:6,16　50:2151:256:8　1:2, 15,　bill 100:2,21 15:15 17:15,22　156:23 192:25　101:25 196: 11 58: 18 139:9,9　57:4,25 61:17 62:8,19 63:24　201:8　198:3 199: 1,6 141: 15 145:7　64:2,17 66:25　bear 193:16　200:6,10 201:2,10 146:4　71:3 73: 10 75: 12　91: 1 bearing　202:10 205:1,6 audit 102: 11　75:25 78: 14,21　began 23:19 24:14　bills 99: 16,19,21 aulet 2:5 8:7, 7　79:3, 16 80:9, 13　69:1　100:7 101:22 authority 165: 14　86:4 87:10,14,21　beginning 28: 11　195:10 196:11 168:20 180:4　88:2 90: 1,20 91:4　28: 12 69:7 87:6　197:7 201:5 authorization　101:15 107:16　117:19 179:24　birnbaum 2:21 165:24　111:16 112:16　8:2 PAX-015-059 [bit - cbshealaw.com] bit 30:25 37:8　2:4 8:7,10 brown　calculate 70:4　198:23 202:13,19 46:25 162:14　18:6　calculating 193:19　202:19,20,22,23 195:4　brownrudnick.c　calculation 70:7　203:3,7,7,8,23,24 hlamed 86:3　2:9.9　california 10:5　204:3,11,11 205:2 blower 117:18　bsilverberg 2:9　211:1,15 212:1,6　205:7,8,9 book 34:2 189:8　budget 208:7,9　213:2　cards 102:16,22 books 190:18,22　build 118:21　call 16:6,20 28:15　102:23 103:1 207:16　174:19　43:3 95:25 102:8　204:18 177:17 borrowed　171:5 building　called 8:24 9:9,19　care 96:1,4 98:16 177:19 borrower　business 24:24　14:18 39:5 86:13　98:25 99:5,6 185:23,24,25　48:9 74:24 79:8　89:17 93:19　100:11,16 138:5 187:6 188:10　79:15 80:5,11,12　112:23 114:20　139:2 141:17 boss 30:7 78:17,22　80:15,18 81:20　209:16　143:5 148:4,6,11 78:24,25 81:2,6　97:15 114:7,9,10　calling 76:11 77:9　148:16 154:11,14 86:16,18,20,21　114:11 115:15,19　199:15　159:11 160:1,5,10 hottom 47:4　115:20 116:4　calls 52:2 155:18　160:13,18 161:2 167:19,22　117:11,16,19　207:7　161:13,19,23,24 brain 63:7　118:1 119:9　candidate 154:13　162:4,17,22 180:9 branded 174:22　120:18 121:18　candidates 152:16　181:23,23 195:25 114:20,24 bravo　122:5 168:14　54:11 cantonese　197:11 199:11 115:4,11　175:17,19 183:17　177:21 cap　career 31:18 break 66:17 67:4　106:3,15,19 buy　capability 154:18　164:18 111:24 112:3,4　107:9,9,15,24　capacity 51:23　careful 185:8 126:17,20 167:3　108:5 143:7 183:1　52:13 54:19 58:7　carried 168:14 173:21 174:1　194:14 196:7,15　60:1 90:8,10,17,23　208:5 carry 205:23　196:17,17,18,19　91:15,21,23 92:1,4　109:22,25 cars bridgeport 1:3　197:21 198:1,15　92:5,16 95:5　110:4,6 111:17 7:13　198:18 199:12,19　105:7 141:23　181:14 brief 138:19　200:5 202:2,11,15　178:21 191:24　1:777:13 11:8 case 142:18　202:17 203:24　167:15 captioned　14:18,20,22 37:6 briefed 138:1,10　204:11　108:20 110:3 car　90:15 101:10 138:13,16,21,24　buying 204:16　111:4 195:13,17　129:16 130:20 161:18　196:13 buys　206:9,10,11,17,18　142:22 206:4 briefing 149:16　198:11 200:6　206:22　cash 127:10,12,13 144:19,23 briefly　bylaws 163:22,25　card 99:21 100:5　127:14 182:20 bring　164:1,5,11,15　101:22,25 102:14　catch 173:18 broad 165:6　165:1,3,7,14,17　102:17,24 103:4,7　category 123:15 86.3 broken　C　103:14 104:6,10　176:22 84:10 brothers　153:15 c'mon　104:15,22,25　cater 92:10 86:10 brought　214:9,12,20 ca　105:1 195:10　cbshealaw.com 87.3　196:11 198:7,7,20　2:24 ccp 214:9,12　155:2,2　close 173 :25　99:3 150:22,25 certain 201: 8　checked 127:24　closer 36:8 152:3　151:11,15,17 certainly 41:24　china 18: 18,20　clothes 95 :25　187: 10 80: 17 129:3　24:25 25:25 30:3　99:20 100:18　communicated 164:25　31:8,20 114:8　101:5,6,9 196:17　17:3, 11, 15 151 :2 certificate 5:5,6　chinese 47: 11　196: 18, 19 198: 12　164:20 166: 14 167: 16　49:24 54:4 84:7　198: 15, 18 199:3　communicating 168:4,19 173:8　203:20　clothing 99:9, 18　17:6 212:7　choice 47: 10　100:24 101:4,11　communication certification 10:6　city 31:22 71:13　101:13 107:22　154: 17 196: 1 certified 10:4,5, 11　71: 19,20 72: 1　201:7　communications 212:5　184:25　code 214:9, 12,19　16:8 certify 211:4　civil 5: 14 214: 19　214:20　communist 47: 11 212:7,20　214:20　coffee 82:6, 10, 12　84:7 cetera 68: 12　claiborn 3 :5 8: 15　82: 15,20 106: 19　companies 27:5 challenged 170:7　8: 15　107: 12 141: 18　company 26:8 change 163:20　claim 77:22　cohn 2:21 8:2　45:9 46:7,10 188:17,18 199:19　claimed 78:23　colleague 18: 1　47:12 79:2186:13 199:21 216:4,7,10　clarified 100: 17　19:10 47:12 71:10　86:1392:17 216:13,16,19　clarify 90:3,10　210:1　101: 16 103: 13 changes 211:7,10　120:4 182:2　come 25:12,15　114:4,5,7,19 changing 127: 19　187:24　27:20 28:4 44: 11　117: 15 118: 19,24 charge 80: 12　clarity 151:6　122:21 129:2　119:4, 12 124:9 101:11,12 102:1,3　200:22　148:7 159:9　128: 14 136:5 102:9　cleanup 174: 13　161:21 162:6　137:7 152: 11 charter 166:7　205:24　163:11167:8　153 :9 155 :3,8 167: 17 168: 15,16　clear 53: 15,16　176:2,3,6,8,9　160: 17 163 :22 169:3,18,24　62: 15 75:7 87: 15　195:14,16　164:2,17 165:1,2 171:14 172:22　95: 11, 11 121:22　comes 27:3 180: 10　169:16,18 181:19 173:1,13　151:5 161:1　comfortable 11 :4　195:20 charters 170:20　183:25　153:2　company's 166:6 chat 141:8,8, 10　clearly 11:134:2　coming 87:21　competency 26:10 142:19 161:18　85:25 97:5 101:16　152:19 153:10　44:24 chauffeur 34:24　186:25 187: 1　159:16 160:2,6,14　compiling 193: 19 35:10,19 36:1,23　client 120:2,8,9,11　162: 11　complete 168: 18 37:21206:14,19　120: 15,20 121:3, 7　comley 3:10 8:5　172:24 174:24 206:23　121:8,15 122:22　comma 88:24　175:8 check 3: 18 9:6, 14　122:23 126: 1　committee 3: 10　completed 214:7 10:7,9,9 34: 1　clients 119:5,9,18　8:5　214:17 215:6 52:21,21 53:1,6,17　120:18 121:19　communicate 17:1　completion 215: 10 127:21 131: 13,13　69:17 70:15,19,21 [complicated - court] complicated 17:24　console 129: 18　31:21,22 33:17,23　16: 14 19:21 20:3 complies 21: 1, 12　constraints 164: 10　36:17 39:14 43:1　26:141:2153:7,9 23:4 28:25 29:4　consult 18:5　43:2 48:8,12　125:25 140:8 32:22 33:2,9 35:3　106: 16,20,22　51: 13, 15, 16, 19,20　150:5,9,20 151 :6 35:5 43:15 46:19　consulted 134:25　52:24 54: 1 60:21　151:12,24 152:18 46:22,24 55: 12,23　135:4,5,7　62:2 69: 16 77:2,3　152:23 153 :9 56:23 57:5, 17　contact 79:25　77:5,6 79: 16,22　156:2,19,19 58:1 73:12 74:4　149:20 154:24　84:16 85:1,13,14　157: 11,14 208:24 83:14,20 87:25　214:9　90:18,20,24 91:13　209:21 212:20 88:4,9 167: 13　contained 15 :7　91: 16 97: 15　214: 18,21 215:7 composed 121: 13　contains 189: 16　104: 19,23 105:21　counsel's 150: 10 computer 19:25　contested 37:4　106:17 108:21　153:17,18 154:3 212: 14　130: 19　111:2,4,5,7 117:2　154:24 con 26:11　context 26: 12　121:16,18 129:23　counsels 16:5 concerned 21:4　continue 193:1　135:25 136:21　144:25 76:6 158: 17　continued 3:1 5:1　137:5,11,12,25　count 80:3 concerns 71 :22　contributed 122: 1　139: 12 142:8,10　countless 159: 14 126:25 128:22　122:7　142:11,12 145:12　countries 175 :23 185:9　controls 122:6　149: 1 155:6,24　country 27: 14 concludes 209:7　conversation　157: 13 161: 15　115:23 116:8 conclusion 52:3　139: 10 162:7,19　166: 15 175: 11　county 211:2 conditions 146: 14　178: 14 191:7　185:13 187:17,19　212:2 conduct 155: 17　conversations　189: 1,2,5,6, 10, 12　couple 10:2119:3 conducted 14: 10　16:13 77:22　189: 18 190:4,5,20　73:8 97: 13 109:22 80:25 128:24　149:19 171:22　190:25 192:21　110:1135:15 155:2　178:7　198:7 202:21　138:20 149:7 confess 67:7　convince 181:7,7　205:7,13 211:9,13　208:4 confirm 92:7　convinced 180: 1　212: 16　course 14:21 47:7 198:9 203:18　cooperate 78 :20　corrected 75:22　48:18,20,23 61:18 206:23　coordinate 118: 12　75:23,24 76:4　81:24 85:2 121:20 confusing 22:25　copy 210:3,7　correction 29: 18　126:2 130:5 131:7 121: 10　57: 1 corner　46:20 76:6 91:5　135:6 137: 15 confusion 22: 19　corporate 1: 16　169:17　142: 18 147:3,3 23:8　9: 19 15:3 44:21　corrections 214: 14　154: 18 170:23 connecticut 1 :2　corporation 4:21　214: 15 215:3,4　174:19 181:13 2:23 3:12 7:13　23:24 34:1168:13　correctly 75: 1　court 1: 1 7: 12, 19 connolly 170: 16　168:21 170: 15　107:21 172:5,16　8:18 10:4,11,11 170:19 172:2,3,7,9　corporation's　192:19　11:22 14:23 48:2 172: 19　168:3　costs 177:8, 16　50: 11 57:8 85:3 consecutive 24:6　correct 16: 1 18:4　counsel 7:21 9:20　146: 11 194:9 25:2　24: 19,21 30: 11,12　10:15 12:20 16:13 [courts - described] 37:14 38:8 courts　d　debtor 1:9 2:4 8:8　department 3:4 15:773:15 cover　2:21 4:1 148:25 て　8:10 40:6 41:24　87:9,12 128:1 177:15　dad 199:13　53:11,23 85:12　155:1,9,16,23 covered 37.9　128:16 daily　131:4,10,25 132:7　99:4 depo covid 16:5　142:17,19 149:24　132:15,19 134:21　deponent's 209:21 craig 193:11,14　151:2 179:6,8　135:3,10 137:4　deposed 13:22 create 43:19 44:2　208:5,8　156:19 186:14　14:1,5,12 36:8,16 created 43:20　daniel 148:24　debtor's 53:24　90:7 92:20 94:6 114:13.24 115:8　date 23:17 29:13　131:17,17,18　deposition 1:14 115:15,16 116:6,8　30:24 31:7 33:17　debtors 146:16　5:11 7:9,15 11:7 117:6 123:9　36:8 73:17 104:5　decide 106:22　11:21 13:25 14:4 credentials 9:25　168:3,9 214:16　107:11　14:10 15:8,12,20 10:8　215:5 216:24　decided 183:1　16:10,24 17:2,12 credit 99:21　dated 4:16,24 5:7　decides 183:6　17:16,20 18:7.19 101:21,25 102:14　5:15 73:16 213:1　decision 134:20　19:7 20:1,8 21:7 102:16,17,22,23　14:2,2 21:5 dates　135:1,8,12,14,17　28:17 29:17 37:4 102:25 129:4　daughter 84:9　135:19,21,24　37:18 38:6 43:5 195:10 196:11　david 2:11 7:24　136:3 137:3.5.6.14　47:24 48:2,25 198:6,20 202:20　10:20 65:12 116:2　137:17,18,25　55:10 65:19 73:17 203:7,23 204:11　153:15 156:9　142:19 143:8　76:20 80:25 95:8 creditor 2:11,21　157:22 187:23　152:8,10 153:19　95:15 96:17 109:5 7:11 9:20 128:24　209:12　154:3,22 164:19　116:12 125:18 creditors 3:10 8:6　49:3,6,7 50:15 day　165:10 179:5,8,20　130:15,18 133:17 194:25　69:22 109:2　180:20 181:11,20　133:21 134:5 127:2 credits　127:19,20 139:25　181:21 183:12　145:13 156:21 75:7 crystal　140:1 145:21　184:2 201:1　162:13 163:1 1:25 213:4 csr　163:7,10 168:15　142:14 decisions　166:23 209:15,17 culture 49:23,24　173:15 194:22,22　142:17 164:2　209:20 211:6,8,11 49:24　195:15,15 196:5,5　178:25　212:9,10,12 current 45:1　208:15,15 211:14　211:12 declare　214:19,22,24 125:10 129:3　213:1　146:20,25 default　215:8,10 148:17 150:5.19　2:13 3:7 dc.　147.8　depositions 11:2 151:24 153:3　deal 195:21　defendant ૨૪-9　14:24 currently 124:14　206:11　definitely 59:22　describe 85:15 150:2 152:18　debate 125:19　de aware 4:21 5:4　92:23 174:15 156:4.7 157:2.4　102:24 103:4 debit　167:16 168:4,22　175:16 179:3 190:3　103:7,13 104:6,10　171.9　described 68:22 cute 104:2　104:15,22,24　delay 19:12 44:6　69:670:17 91:22 105:1 198:7,23　delivered 210:7　117:12 120:14 202:12,19 203:7　58:4 dep　124:22 186:11 203:24 204:11 [description - employee] description 4:11　direct 21:10 84:4　discuss 126:1　driver 35:10 5:2　91:4 158:5　140:21 141:2　19:10 drop 187:5 designed　directed 27:7　discussion 174:21　16:5 due 118:11 designer　192:15,20　132:4 displaying　169:8 dug details 36:15　direction 82:2　disregard 125:2　duly 9:1.11.21 64:23 105:12　117:17 190:24　district 1:2 7:12　168:13,20 212:9 113:15 147:2　directly 99:22　dive 198.8　duties 26:18,23 153:3 181:16　100:8,9 101:1　diversified 45:15　44:17 45:7 46:4 determined　103:24 110:10　114:11　69:6 77:23 169:15 214:18,22 215:7　159:4,8,22 177:18　division 1:37:13　duty 27:2 149:9 develop 115:18　director 4:19 28:9　document 20:5,7　196:23 dwell 117:15 174:21　32:14 38:18,19,22　21:24 28:14 43:16　dwelling 72:9,10 device　42:23,25 43:24　43:18,22 44:2　e dharbach 2:14　45:25 46:13 47:20　56:18 61:13 62:24　4:1,9 38:14,23 dictionary 60:9　49:5 56:9 97:20　63:9 167:1.4　e 39:9 147:15 difference 101:8　98:3 110:19 123:7　169:8,12,14 170:2　148:25 212:18 176:17　134:19 142:6　171:8 172:21　214:9,12 215:1 different 116:11　175:13 181:19　documentation　216:3,3,3 120:14 127:15　directors 34:16　170:21　earlier 47:1 53:11 136:18,20 166:2　37:10 148:18　documented　77:22 87:14 99:9 175:23　168:20　187:21,25 188:1,8　118:5 158:22 difficult 195:2　disagree 129:8　189:4,12 190:17　176:15 182:9 dip 37:5,11 42:3　156:22 158:7　documents 15:16　188:4 193:15 42:13 66:12 94:21　183:5,9 184:4　15:18 166:16　195:9 207:12 125:15 130:20　193:1　169:11 170:7　208:16 131:22,23 132:1,4　disagreed 137:13　184:15 185:12,14　39:16 ease 132:9,11,23 134:7　179:15 180:19　186:11 190:3,7　7:3 184:20 east 134:8,21 135:2,9　183:1,11　207:13　190:3 136:18,23 137:4　disagreement　doing 11:21 45:10　14:19.19 eastern 137:18 138:3,19　179:19 181:22　45:11 80:22 93:5　efficient 87:15 139:2,5,14 140:12　182:3　115:21 117:17　83:19,22 140:21 142:21,23　disagreements　128:1 141:6　eight 84.2 144:5,11,18 145:9　179:23 181:3　160:19 145:17,21 146:8　disappeared 48:11　dollars 179:1,9,12　eighteenth 72:20 either 16.13.38.7 146:21,25 147:2,8　disclose 124:24,24　179:20,21 180:21　48:10 59:22 63:19 147:19 158:18　150:10　183:13 184:3　elected 168:20 159:2,6,14,16　disclosing 16:12　drafted 58:18 160:25 162:11,13　42:11　63.75 68.8　employed 36:1 162:23 163:11,15　disclosure 130:15　drill 171-5　employee 35:14,20 176:17 177:3　130:23　194:8 drive　78:15,16,18 79:4 180:7　81:9,15 84:13 85:19,23,24 86:4,6 [employee - family] 123:7 151:12,17　estate 47:15 51:9　44:10 46:18,21　37:13 38:8 extend 153:3 154:13　51:17 114:10　47:6 55:9,10,19　extended 176:10 155:7 156:10　115:20 117:22,24　56:2,4,9,13 57:1　185:8 extra employees 34:21　117:25 118:9,11　62:5,16,23 64:9　2:12 eye 37:10 48:10 78:15　181:4 182:6　67:5.19.21 73:11　f 151:13 156:6,12　183:15,19 184:5　83:13,15 87:16,23　116:22 147:15 157:1,2 158:3　68:12 et　87:24 88:1,2 91:4　facilitate 118:12 192:20 206:15　events 146:19,24　91:5,6 166:20,23　fact 50:22 80:16 208:12　147.7　167:9,12 171:17　80:20 89:4 123:2 employer 153:5,17　everybody 19:11　172:8 209:15,16 153:19 154:3,7,20　163:19 173:24　209:17,22　169:17,22 factor 153:19 154:25 155:6　evidencing 207:17　exhibits 5:1 19:15　154-3 empowered　71:14 184:23 exact　20:16 209:15 142:14　exactly 98:17　145:18 existed　facts 32:8 166:9 endured 208:24　180:15　115:18 expand　failure 168:18 172:24 129:7 engage　examination 4:3　122:15 expect 8:25,25 english　10:17　124:10 158:18,21　fair 60:18 72:23 74:1 90:6 94:14 9:10,10 10:10　examined 14:5　expectation 50:12　162:20 170:5 11:3,5,6,7,11,25　94:6 example　expected 184:10　173:17 29:25 38:23 39:22　95:23 99:3 102:2　expecting 169:6 40:16 50:2 55:16　102:5,6 105:10　expedition 37:13　familiar 144:5,11 146:19 186:20 62:25 63:25 79:19　106:19 108:11　100:11 expenses 86:4 98:10 144:4　143:6 179:5　192:15 193:20,23　families 86:25 144:19 201:20　183:10,23 184:2,2　194:3　family 24:24 29:11 203:4,7,14,15　184:7 198:14,16　expensive 108:6.9　29:23 30:6,9,10,13 205:14,17　200:72201:18　194:14　30:17,19 31:2,15 ensure 98:24　203:22　45:1 experience　31:18,20 48:9 ensured 98:6　182:3,5 examples　161:24　52:1,17,23 54:22 98:4 ensuring　182:10,16 205:4　explain 20:4 41:21　58:12,17 68:2,7 118:15 enterprise　20:11 exceeds　64:5 75:3 151:8　81:11 84:8 85:6,6 175:17　15:11 56:5 excuse　177:13 200:14　85:7,11,25 86:5,6 entire 48:8 84:17　58:5 128:3 163:18　explained 93:7　86:12,17 87:7 85:7 129:15 155:7　194:4　175:6 176:16　91:15,20 95:7 164:18 170:14　65:10 executed　180:25 182:4　113:6,7 115:16 174:19　211:14　183:17　118:3,4,7,22 119:6 errata 214:14,16　executing 166:13　explanation 26:3　119:7,8,9,19,22 215:3,5　exhibit 4:11,12,16　explore 42:193:5　120:12,15,17,23 107.18 escalate　4:19,23 5:2,3,3,9　116:3　121:3,8,13,15,17 143.8　19:6,7 20:15　exploring 44:23　121:17,23,24 122:22 123:21 established 66:11　28:17,20 32:20,21　65:24　124:5 157:17 33:8 35:2 43:5　164:16.17.23 [family - fourteen] 176:10,10 181:16　figure 26:9 111:10　finishing 173:25　follow 32:4 102:15 182:17 183:20　128:11 135:14　171.4 fire　168:23 197:12,18 184:24 205:8,9,12　143:3,11,21 144:3　firm 7:17,19 15:14　followed 164:15 famous 208:1　187:16　15:25 17:21,22　following 109:2 far 37:6,10 95:14　102:13 figuring　18:6 60:25 124:8　follows 9:2,12,22 98:19 124:3　195:2　193:5　58:11 214:8 158:16 160:4　file 20:19 168:18　firm's 17:23,25　food 95:25 99:9,20 164:9 165:3 180:6　172:24　17:21 114:3 firms　99:20 107:12,22 187:15 198:21　filed 7:11 57:7　first 9:21 23:17　141:18 father 53:20 68:25　65:25 167:23　25:13 30:4 50:5　foods 204:17 69:12 91:20 92:18　168:19 171:8　52:10 55:1,21　205:5 92:19 96:1,4　173:8　56:16 58:4 62:23　foregoing 211:5 98:16 99:6 108:24　filing 168:3　62:25 69:7 75:3,7　211:13 212:8,15 109:2 113:13　191:21 fill　86:10 87:6 139:4　forgeries 170:8 117:18 119:15　filling 192:4　139:7 143:15　forget 29:14 30:24 122:24 134:9　finance 128:1　144:14 145:16,21　75:23 136:2 143:7　160:24 162:10　153:8,13 162:9,23　forgive 185:8 175:25 176:6　190:23 196:12,12　163:3,7,10 168:15　31:8 forgot 177:22 180:11,12　197:8 198:8 199:7　174:19 201:5　form 13:1 121:5 182:19,20,22　199:13　212:11　211:7 191:8 196:11 199:9　financial 46:14,16　fishing 37:13　189:17 formal 199:11,23 201:9　47:13,22 49:8,9,13　five 4:18 5:7 29:7　formed 18:10,11 206:22　49:20 50:3,19,22　33:1.7 41:13 59:3　147:14,21 forsyth father's 95:24　127:25 189:8,11　59:5 79:24 80:7　forth 141:24,25 100:18 134:9　189:22 191:22　85:21 168:11　142:3 195:10 182:18 201:11　192:5　fix 170:25 173:15　212:11 february 33:11,17　financials 101:16　173:19　forty 4:14 20:20 33:23 35:14,17　37:5 financing　167:8 fixing　29:3,5 35:4 46:23 federal 5:13　131:4,11 132:19　floor 72:20　47:1,3,4,8 83:19 212:18 215:1,8,9　132:24 134:21　flow 127:10,12,13　83:22 84:2 88:8 107:2 fee　135:3,10 136:23　127:14　88:14 feel 98:13 153:2　find 23:1 110:3,23　focus 23:17 33:16　forward 53:20 200:16　151:4 204:18　136:22 163:9　88:7 feeling 154:15　fine 11:11 54:14　focused 165:10　four 21:25 22:13 107:5 fees　61:10 158:13　focusing 166:6　22:13 30:2 36:6 fifteen 17:8,9,9　160:20　193:22　36:10,14 56:14 138:20　finish 12:3 63:5　folder　61:1964:22 65:8 fifth 197:21　78:5,7　28:20　91:7,9 116:22 198:16, 19　finished 84:20,22　folders 19:18　142:7 fifty 59:7　116:20 205:24　folks 112:9 163:17　fourteen 157:4 [frame - golden] 140:9 frame　107:7 150:5,9,10　going 7:6 13:3　51:24 52:14 54:20 frank 147:15　150:19 151:6,12　18:20 19:6 26:4　58:6,21,22,23 frep 215:1　151:24 152:18,23　26:15,21,25 28:13　59:21 65:21 67:25 frequency 109:1　153:9,17,18 154:2　29:2 37:1,12 42:9　68:10,11,16,23 frequently 69:17　154:24 156:1　43:3 44:10 53:20　69:2,8,9,14 71:4 70:25 80:1 83:1　157:11,14 179:12　62:13 66:3,7,12,14　71:12 72:1,8 108:13,23 140:13　183:4 201 :25　66:21 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holdup 131:19 133:12,14　106:2 131:5,14　66:7 68:2,6,11,20　holley 3:5 8:15 140:10,11 143:16　146:5 147:1　70:16 72:3,9,17　holley.l.claiborn 143:19 144:1.8.17　153:22 166:20　77:1,4 81:4,9,15　3:8 145:25 146:3　169:11,12 188:12　81:16,21 82:1,10　home 72:16 73:2 147:4,6,11 148:9　192:15 195:3,8　82:19,23 83:7　204:15 150:11,17 153:13　200:20　84:15 85:1,13,19　honest 50:8,12,17 153:16,25 154:1　helped 43:18　85:23 86:8 87:19　61:22 132:10 154:23 156:15,24　120:25　88:18 89:5.13　honestly 26:13 157:25 158:14,15　helpful 37:24　90:16 91:2,14　191.15 159:24 161:6,10　38:24 92:24 94:1　92:10 93:14 94:16　hong 18:16,18,20 165:9,13 166:1,12　helpfully 90:23　95:7 97:22 98:4　18:21,25 21:5 166:21,25 167:5　helping 191:20　98:24 99:13 100:8　22:6,8 23:11,12,20 170:4 171:2　192:12　100:12,24 101:4　23:22 24:3,7,8,12 173:22 174:9,12　36:22 helps　101:12 102:17　24:13,21,23 25:1,3 186:8,18,19 188:2　hereof 212:11　103:13 104:5,9,14　25:3,3,6,7,16,19 188:15,16 190:6　125:13 hesitant　104:21 105:5,15　27:10,15,1630:5 190:10 192:1,2,22　hesitate 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166:24　36:19 51:4 60:1　80:17 interacting　interpreters 8:19 209:18　61:23 62:4,10　80:21　interprets 40:20 identifying 156:13　64:2 130:8 156:8　interaction 80:3　52:20 29:18 identity 127:5　156:14　interest 146:11　131:12 128:9 150:10　informed 87:11　186:22,24 187:3,7　interrupt 30:15 153:18 154:2　informs 26:10　187:11,13 189:16　75:19 150:12 ii 2:11　inhouse 16:13　interested 47:18　interrupting 76:18 immediate 85:6　155:25　128:10 145:6,8　152:12 interview immediately　inoperative 166:7　212:22　152:15 154:6,15 152:18,25 186:10　168:16 169:4,17　interesting 151:4　154:15 impair 13:14　169:19,25 171:14　interests 21:25　interviews 118:10 important 11:21　172:23 173:2,13　52:16 54:21 58:8　invade 146:1 impression 75:12　input 180:8　58:16 68:2,6,20　120:25 invest inauthentic 170:8　inquire 116:7　87:19 88:18 90:16　175:25 include 24:4 85:18　insisting 76:11　91:3,14 95:7　invested 176:5 89:15 111:3,6　instruct 20:11　interfere 13:15　investing 118:2 125:3 157:8,12　26:15 37:2,14　internal 102:11　investment 114:11 164:5　38:3 42:9 66:5,6　interpret 8:24 9:1　115:20 117:20,25 included 119:19　66:14 67:15　9:9,11 183:22　118:23 123:16,22 214:14 215:3　116:14 126:23　201:15　123:23 124:6 includes 119:10　instructed 6:1　interpreted 9:2,12　174:15.24 175:3.9 including 48:9　95:24 141:21　143:22 144:12　175:22 176:3 84:8,12 89:14　instructing 42:16　147:9,25 154:5　179:24 181:3,4,21 91:20 92:18,19,21　67:9 129:9　188:6 201:3　183:15,19 95.75 99.4 115.19 ರಿನ investments　154:14 174:19　12:12 14:22 know　154:8,12,14 118:25　196:12 214:5　21:13,16 22:25　155:11 159:9.15 118:24 invests　216:2　28:1 31:6 32:21　160:13 161:1,2 invoice 148:7,15　johnston 3:17 8:23　33:3 38:11,15,16　162:19 163:1,4,15 148:16　10:6 11:15 12:15　39:11 41:23 48:24　163:16,23 165:4 involved 99:12　52:11 54:3 55:5　49:14 50:3 54:10　170:12,18,18,21 124:20 133:2,5,10　59:15 98:11 131:8　55:1 26:18 59:9　170:23 172:20,25 134:20,24 135:15　133:12 143:17　59:10,12,13,17　173:4,10,10,12,14 135:16 143:24　144:10 147:5　60:7,9,10,19 61:4　175:12 180:15 144:14 152:7,24　153:25 200:23　61:7,21 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119:7　meant 49: 14 55: 1　38: 11,23 39:6,8, 18　80:2 120:7, 13, 14, 15, 16　68:5 71: 10 87: 19　74:11 75:9,11,13 [mixed - new] mixed 99:25　22:6 23:11 moved　151:17 163:1　30:4,4,11,18 31:2 100:22　23:22 27:21 28:4　173:18 185:6　31:14,22,23 32:1,2 100:22 mom　29:22　194:7,8,9 195:17　32:3,11,13,15 moment 12:10　multiple 20:9　196:4,12 197:11　33:13,19 34:1,4,7 15:24 17:19 19:9　2:15 murray　199:7 203:6　34:13,17,25 35:21 37:17 44:5 60:17　167:10 muted　204:18 206:3　36:2,24 37:21 69:1,3 87:14 99:8　174:11　needed 69:21 70:2　38:1,2 40:9,10,11 104:20 117:18　myers 2:11 7:24　78:21 79:21 80:9　40:14,17,18,23,24 119:17 120:11　8:12 209:13　89:21.25 139:19　41:2,4,7,16,18 121:12 140:12　194:24 mystery　139:21,23,24　42:2,6,21 43:25 151:22 156:25　n　140:7 196:7　44:21,25 46:1,6,14 171:3,12 179:14　4:1 17:5 30:8　201:21　47:21 49:5,19 190:16 193:22　n 38:14,22,23 39:9　89.16 92.11 needs　51:24 52:14 54:20 money 114:17,22　39:12.13.14 86:14　92:18 97:22 98:5　57:8 58:7 59:21 115:7,11 118:2,24　112:24 171:25　98:24 99:9 195:12　65.22 68.1 69.8 118:25 122:1,7,20　name 7:17 10:20　195:13 196:6　69:10.15 71:13.13 127:17 128:11,14　202:20 206:20　72:1,1,4,8 73:22 128:16,19,20　17:5,18,23,25 18:4　neglected 87:22　81:3,6 90:18 159:9,16 160:2,6　38:12,20,22,23,24　negotiated 187:3.6　91:16,17,19,24 160:14 161:23　52:10 53:4,12,13　negotiating 191:4　92:9,17 93:6 95:4 163:3,7,11 175:24　53:19,24 54:12,13　133:2 negotiation　97:2 98:3,23 176:4 178:11　64:3 76:7.9.14 134:11 147:15　133:5　99:11 103:10 180:13 208:5　neither 54:15　104:6,10,13,15,22 159:1,5 moneys　150:19 170:16 171:18 175:20　212:20　104:24 109:11,13 month 96:14,15　84:9 nephew　109:18 110:7,15 109:6 138:17　193:12,17 211:11 named　netherland 72:21　110:17,20,25 monthly 192:8,13　93:17 148:24 212:8　29:13 30:24 never　111:11,17 113:2 months 19:473:21　31:8.8.9 39:5.6　113:20,21 114:12 73:25 77:20,21,24　native 58:20 59:21　74:23 79:6 81:17　114:23 115:8,12 78-23 148-23　64:1 79:19 93:17 148:2　82:16 86:1,8　115:15 117:6,10 149:3,7 173:7,17　104:21,24 173:4　118:3,8,14 119:5 morning 7:5,23　natural 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207: 11　176:5 32:20,24 33 :7　138:6,9, 12, 15　207:21,24 208:21　outcome 212:23 34: 15 35:8 37:25　139:4, 10 140: 17　omm.com 2:14,19　outfit 179:6 38:17 39:3,8,18　141:2,11,23 142:2　2:19　16: 14 outside 40:5 42: 18 43: 13　142:9,14 143:2　once 13:23 69:22　31:20 114:8 43:18 44:12 45:16　145: 1 146: 13　69:25 83 :3,5　129:5 outweighs 47:4 48:4 50: 15　148: 1, 17,22 149:6　105:20 109:7　overstepping 51:7,16 52:7　149:16,19 150:11　190: 1, 1,2 ones　130: 17 53:17 54:6,14　150:15,16,22　online 196:21　owned 18:18 55:7,14 56:6,7,12　151:4 152:2,7,17　197:6 202: 11,17　86:24 109:21,23 56: 15 57:4, 12,25　153:4 155:15,17　202:19 203:13,16　115: 17 206:8 60:4,6,13,17 61:10　157: 11,14 158:6　00000 210:9　owner 17:3 30:8 61:25 66:16 67:17　158:10,14 160:9　open 20:25 28:24　45:8 46:9 58:22 67:22 69:22,24　161:11,22 162:7　43: 14 55: 19 56: 16　78:17 86:18 91:18 70:3,13,25 71:2,7　162:15 163:14,17　opened 56:6　92:17 101:16 73:3,10,15,18 74:3　163:19 164:1,5,9　46:6 118:3 operate　119: 12 122:24,24 74:8 76:2, 10 77:7　166:2, 19 167:8, 15　operated 164: 10　123:2,5 132:21,22 77: 16 79:5 82:22　168: 1 169: 1,24　97: 14 operating　133:7 137:7 83:6,9,13,18 84:1　171:3,4,21172:4　192:8,13 208:7,11　160:17 177:18 84:22 85: 15 87: 1　172:11,18,21　127:9 operation　181: 19 87:21 88:6, 11　173:6,10 175:2,10　128:17 142:17,19　ownership 37:8 89:23 90: 15,21,25　175:12,16 176:4,8　149:24 174:20　109:22 110: 1 owns 93:24 94:8 95:22　176: 15,21,25　179:6　110:7,20 111: 10 96: 16 97:7 98: 14　177:2,6, 11,25　operations 179:8　111: 17 122:6 98:21 99:2,24　178:11,16,24　195:15 208:6,8,15　206:25 100:7,23 101:24　179:3,14,18　opinion 179:4　p 102:13,25 103:3　180:23 181:2,6,25　184:4　p 86: 14 148:25 104:20 105: 10　183:4,10 185:5　2: 12 opportunity　p.m. 174:4 209:6 106:4, 12,22　186:2,4,8, 18　5: 10 9:21 181:22　210:8 108: 18,20 109:8　187:20 188: 15,22　190:2,12 oral　2:115:9 pacific 110:4,16,24　189:9,21,24 190:6　191:2,5, 17 207: 17　7:11,25 8:12,14 111:19,21112:11　190: 11,24 192: 11　order 12: 14　9:20 174:22 175:7 112:23 113:1,3,16　192: 16, 19,22　111: 12 162: 12　209:13 113:19 114:12　193 :2, 11, 13,24　organization　page 4:3,11 5:2 117:21 118: 1,5,24　194:6, 18 195: 19　122:6　6:3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 119: 10 120: 11, 19　196:5, 18,20　organized 168: 13　6:1121:10,14,16 120:22 121:2　197: 10,23 198: 11　orient 73: 16　21:20,24 22:3,4, 12 123:20 124:4　198: 14 199: 17　original 168:3　22: 12,13,17,20,22 125: 1 126: 16, 19　200: 1, 14201:5　214: 10,21　23:2,6,6,9,21 29:3 132: 1,9,15,16　202: 14,18,22　29:5 32:24,25,25 [page - please] 33:7 35:4 46:23　42:12 parties　146:17 187:1　207:3,9 47:3,4,7 55:22　party 47:11 84:7　perfect 11:10　personally 41:2,6 56:16,21,22 57:1,4　212:21　perform 149:9　90:5 155:5,17,21 57:12,14,15,25　36:11 pass　performed 26:19　191:4,20 63:2 73:15 74:3,8　passed 49:2　26:19,23 95:12　personnel 15:19 83:18 84:1 88:8　patience 166:25　period 24:6 25:2　16:22 193:18 88:13 167:11.22　205:22 209:3　25:25 58:12　pertains 20:5 170:17 212:11　pax 13:24 14:4,10　134:23 156:3　phone 70:10 80:2 214:15 215:4　125:13 127:3　203:10 214:18　physical 26:22 216:4,7,10,13,16　128:24 129:15,16　215:7　157:20 216:19　129: 18, 19　perjury 211:12　physically 25:6 4:15,18,22 pages　68:11 81:17 pay　214:17 215:6　27:9,11,18 196:20 4:25 5:8,16 20:20　81:17 95:24 111:8　permanent 27:25　picked 35:24 21:17,18,21,25　120:23 145:19　permanently　152:15 picky 22:21,22 23:3　146:16,17,23　27:21,23　piece 60:14 74:5 88:8 214:14　148:12 177:8　permission 106:16　1:17 4:13,23 ping 214:17,17 215:3,6　194:2,7,8 206:4.6　107:10,25 142:16　9:18 56:17 211:4 215:6　206:14,15,22　persecuted 48:10　212:8 214:1,5 paid 97:23 98:5　paying 97:3,16　11:22 person　216:2 109:11 120:10　99:12 109:17　15:22 16:2 39:1,7　place 161:20 121:1 122:1　208:11,12　59:22 60:15 61:13　212:11 123:23 147:22　payment 99:18　70:10,22,24 74:18　places 27:19 151:14 186:23　pays 81:17 109:13　77:10,14 79:17　plainly 66:4.4 202:5,7　109:13 110:25　80:2,14 84:24　170:9 pair 196:8　195:1,5　86:11 87:8 110:3　plan 117:16,19 pangu 86:14,14,16　20:19 pd　113:11 119:12　118:22 119:14 86:24　pdf 20:19 28:23　139:7 147:17　124.5 183.18 paperwork 60:12　172:8 214:12　150:23 151:1　119:3 planned 60:14 61:22,23　215:1　152:8,17,23,25　planning 115:18 164:21 170:21　pearl 2:22　153:20 154:4　plans 26:14 27:4 paragraph 168:2　penalty 211:12　155:18,21 157:12　playing 153:14 168:11　214:16 215:5　160:21 192:23　please 7:21 8:18 parents 100:16　pending 126:20　206:11　8:21 9:6,15 10:1,8 part 36:19 80:13　130:16　person's 38:20　11:14 12:2,11 93:7 101:22　people 34:12　155:6 193:17　13:6 20:4,25 26:2 102:11 119:2　85:17 120:18　personal 65:15　28:23 32:25 38:12 121:3,8 124:22　121:14,18 152:12　90:9 92:11 133:18　39:17 40:19 41:21 160:19,19 206:12　152:14 154:7,18　133:23 143:25　44:5.20 54:5.8 particular 63:13　157:15,17 202:24　149:8,11 150:9　55:19 56:21 57:14 111:18 165:7　percent 18:18　156:13 191:24　59:15 66:19 67:15 180:3　65:22 146:11,16　197:3 206:24　70:13 83:13,18 [please - providing] 87:24 88:7 97:25　prefer 12:13 39:21　pretty 45:15 66:11　50:19,22 51:10,18 98:12 99:15　53:19　101:6 152:14　146:17 154:19 103:24 119:24　preference 12:22　203:19　profile 201:12 120:4 125:4 140:8　162:12 163:1 prep　prevailed 179:4　profit 118:15,19 143:18 144:9,10　preparation 16:3　183:11 184:4　118:23 119:14 151:22 152:20　prepare 15:11,12　previous 153:5　129:13,21,22 163:17 167:11　15:20 16:10,23　154:7,12,20,25　14:19,19 profits 187:23 193:16　17:2,11,15,20 18:6　156:20　118:9,21 project 200-14-205-20　192:12　previously 156:9　174:25 175:3,9,9 207:15,25　prepared 15:14　prior 20:8 24:20　179:25 181:4 plus 154:11　44:3 61:5 62:24　44:25 153:17,18　182:6,12 183:15 podhaskie 148:24　preparing 15:25　155:6　184:5 149:2,17,20 150:1　144:24 prepped　private 164:17　projects 118:4,7 point 24:14 26:16　145:20　privilege 146:1　118:23,23 174:21 32-6 37-1 44-20　present 3:19 42:12　privileged 16:20　181:3,8 87:22 124:23　158:10 171:17　probably 148:7　196:22 promise 129:4 180:19　186:2　192:17 195:23　promptly 207:15 183:11 189:14　presents 158:4　problem 12:14　pronounce 17:23 208:24　president 42:22,25　32:2,7 40:1 54:9　17:24 39:23 54:12 131:21 pointed　45:24 46:12 47:20　62:21 112:5 126:2　proper 125:20 populated 43:7　49:4 51:24 52:14　153:24 166:15　165:24 portion 186:13　54:19 58:6 65:21　173:5,6　properly 164:11 position 131:18　67:25 68:16,18,23　procedure 5:14　164:12 152:13 156:17　90:17 91:15,23　214:19,20　183:15 property 158:2,3　92:9,1693:5 95:6　proceed 10:15　prospective 46:3 positions　97:19 98:2,22　11:11 20:3,13　122:23 174:25 50-24　99:11 104:12　21:4 174:14　175:2 possession 131:4　105:7 110:18　proceeding 11:4　protonmail.com 131:10 132:15,19　134:18 136:4　14:17 156:20　214:2 possibility 102:19　137:9 141:24　196:6　proud 50:8 possible 36:13　142:5,9 148:24　proceedings 9:1　provide 13:19 37:24 41:15 96:22　151:10 152:11　9:11　134:21 135:2,9 139:16 191:12　155:8 159:12　proceeds 129:2　provided 114:17 194:5 204:13　164:6 165:11,15　process 99:17　136:17 156:9 potential 179:24　166:3 174:17,18　101:22 106:13　214:19 215:8 165:15 power　175:5 178:3,22　154:25　provider 154:3 powers 165:10　180:5 181:16　produce 186:10　provides 60:15 precise 14:27 70:6　195:6,20　207:15　61:14 104:4 158:25　pressing 30:25　professional 46:14　99:12 providing 186:7　101:25 pretend　46:16 47:14,15,22　169:11 197.22　49:8,9,13,20,25 public's 57:20　70: 10 75:22 76:9　question 11: 12, 12　144:12 145:3,25 pull 192: 14 201:23　76:12,25 77:9,13　12:3,5,11,13 14:12　147:9,25 150:8 pullcom.com 3: 13　77: 17,22 78: 12　16: 16, 19,21 20:4　153:21154:5,20 pulled 32:21　79:14,17 80:17,21　21:4,9 22:5,6　155: 11 156:25 pullman 3:10 8:5　81:4,7,10,13,19　23:10,16 26:22　158:25 159:20 purchase 105:2,6　86:21 89: 14 90: 19　27:3 29:7,9 30: 16　161: 12 162:21 105: 11, 15, 18,25　92:3 94:9 95 :23　30:20 31: 1, 12, 13　165:2,18 166:2 106:6,23 107: 15　96:9 97: 14 98: 15　31: 16 32:9, 12　169:5,9, 13,21 197:9 198:8,25　99:4 100:15　33:10,1134:11　170:10,11173:9 199:8 200:4,9,25　104:17 106:2,10　35:12,13,19 36:21　174: 13 177:9, 13 201: 1,7, 11,24,25　106:21107:14,16　37:20 40:8,16,20　179: 18 180: 18 202:18 203:11　107: 19,24 109:23　41:22 42:4,10　183:14 188:20 204: 17,18　110: 10 113: 10,12　43:21 45:4,6,20　191: 14,25 195:20 purchased 100:25　113:23 114: 14　47:6,18,19 48:6　199:25 200: 1,23 101:4 110:10　115:2, 17,17,22　49:2,3,7,15,17　201:3 202:8 204:4 181:13 198:9　116:6, 18 117:7, 13　50: 18,20 51 :7,22　204:6 206: 16 199:9 201:22　134:6,22 135: 1,8　52:6,9, 13, 19,20,25　207:23 208: 1, 17 purchases 203:8　135: 18 136:2,3　54:4,8,18 56:25　6: 1 questions purpose 38:7　137:4, 13 138:21　59:14,18,20 62:12　13:15 26:16,18,25 115: 15 116:5　139: 11 142: 15　63:6,15,18,22　27:7 37:3, 7 63: 1,8 118: 1 164:25　143:1,4 144:2　64: 16 66:6, 15　63:16 67:10 87:17 purposely 75:23　147:18 148:3,5,10　67:9, 16,24 68: 15　128:4 129: 1 164:22　148: 19 157:8　71:11,22 74:9,9,11　130:17 153:15 purposes 18: 19　159:3,7,10,22　74: 14,15,17,20,23　180:17 205:24 109:5 117:11　161:2 163:12　75:8,9 76:20,22,24　208:22,25 209:4 156:21 158: 10　164: 18 165:21　77:7,8,16,17 78:5　quick 166:20 pursuant 5: 12　170: 18 172:7,12　78:9, 10, 13 79:5,6　quite 31: 15 134:23 212: 18　175:12,17 177:18　79:9, 12 80:9, 19　170:5 199:5 put 21:4 29:8　178:2,6, 15,20,23　81: 13 82: 16 84:24　quote 162:5,5 44: 10 84:6, 11　179: 16 180:7,20　85:20 88: 14,15,22　r 126:10,13 166:19　182:19 183:1,5　90:22 96:8,11　r 116:22 147: 15,16 175: 19 209:23,23　187:5 189:20　97:25 98:7,25 putative 42:3　191:3,8 194: 16,16　102:15 103:25　216:3,3 r&s 215:1,9 q　195:24,25 199:4,8　109: 10 116: 17　raise 8:20 9:5,15 qiang 17:4 24:24　199: 11,12,15,17　119:21 121:2,6　raised 90:23 199:22 200:8　122:10 123:13 30:8 31 :25 32:5 34:14 38:2139:12　201:7,12 206:11　125:3,19,21　range 104:5 108:8 rate 186:24 187:3 39:21 40:3,8,17,24　206:21　126:20,24 128:5　187:7,11,13 41:6 45:9 46:2　quality 154:9　130:4 131:6,12　189:16 48:9 53:20 55:3　quarrel 96:6　132:25 133:8,9　read 21 :8 23: 18 140:4 143: 15,22 68: 10,24 69: 10,18　47:17 48:1 61:16 64:14 66:1 68:4　recall 13:25 14:15　66:24 recess　reframe 80:19 75:1 84:3,17,19　14:16 19:2 25:22　112:15 126:1,6　21:335:25 refresh 93:4 144:18 145:9　25:23 32:18 33:25　174:5　36:20,22 169:1 146:8 157:23　34:23,24 35:1　recited 95:3 96:10　169:14 refreshes 168:24 170:14　40:23 41:5,10,12　recognize 43:16　refused 106:5 171:17 203:4,7,14　44:3,4,16 45:12,13　recognized 43:22　178:17,20,22 203:15 205:14,17　45:16,23 59:2,4,6　14:2 recollect　regard 74:24 211:5　59:8 60:22,22　recollection 21:3　79:14 80:10 reading 13:4,9　61:2,9 64:19,20,22　35:25 64:17 151:5　regarding 30:6 31:14 36:22 37:18　65:5,7,8 67:8 68:5　151:6 169:2,14　51:4 180:25 39:17 85:2,4　69:20,23,24 70:1　187:18　regards 79:7 146:15 214:23　70:18 71:1,6 73:9　reconvening 112:7　141:4 215-9　80:24 82:7,9,11,12　record 7:6,22　regiment 195:24 reads 22:5 33:10　82:17,18,21 83:2,8　29:18,19 66:11,22　register 4:19 real 47:15 51:9.13　87:10,11,17 90:13　67:1 112:13,17　43:24 56:10 51:17 86:5 114:10　96:3,13,18,21,23　116:10 126:4,8,11　regular 151:15,16 115:20 117:21,24　97:1,5,5,9,11,16　126:14 157:23　201-8 117:24 118:9,11　97:17 100:9 103:8　158:6 165:18　regularly 150:25 166:20 180:4　104:7.8.11.18　166:10 170:25,25　reject 106:10,11 181:4 182:6　105:12,16,19,23　174:3,7 192:23　194:17,19 183:15,19 184:4　106:9,25 110:23　200:22 209:5　rejection 178:23 194:24　115:5,10 117:8　recorded 7:8 86:1　related 39:8,10 really 26:6 65:12　127:25 134:11,12　189:8 190:12,13　80:22 114:10 80:14 97:1 103:12　134:13 139:15,17　190:18,21　118:11 130:7 121:10 142:1　140:19,20 141:2　recorder 85:3　146:18 194:3 195:1 197:19　145:23,24 147:10　23:25 records　212:21 200:2,2　147:12,13 149:18　189.11 207.16　relates 26:3 realtor 51:13,14　149:19,23,24　recruitment　relationship 18:16 13:18,20 reason　166:11,13,16　152:11　42:2 45:1 129:20 24:25 39:22 50:17　169:10 171:11,21　refer　175.7 53:9 75:14 76:11　171:23,24 172:1　30:7 38:21 39:17　relatively 36:8 84:12 87:21 97:15　178:10 186:3,6　52:10 53:20 84:25　relatives 85-16 119:21 125:12　187:9,12 191:11　reference 44:25　released 214:21 153:7 154:21　191:13,19 193:10　155:2,18　relevance 38:5 172:22 173:12,14　194:5,12 206:10　referenced 214:6　41:22 42:6,11 175:20 181:15　recap 188:23　referred 24:25　116:2 195:12 216:6,9,12　99:22 receipts　207:17　relevancy 129:5 216:15,18,21　receive 100:1,8　referring 22:4　relevant 65.18 reasons 71:17　148:6,15,16　38:16 39:1 85:5　66:4.4 125:17 172:25　100:5 received　90:3,4　relitigate 38:7 173:1 [rely- right] rely 54:15　replaced 148:23　requested 46:5,10　revert 24:4,5 remain 165:9　149:6　90: 19 92:3 100: 15　review 15:6,10, 16 remained 174: 11　replied 32: 12　104: 17 134:8　15:18 99:16 remember 14: 1　33:20 183:14　173 :21 177: 11, 12　100: 11 101:21,24 18:3 28: 12 30:20　185:20 188:20　177:14,17 178:5　195: 10 196: 10 35:9 36:7,11,15　reply 123:18169:6　192: 14 201:23　199: 1 200:6, 10 37:19 61:18 63:15　195: 19　212:19 215:1,9,10　201:5 212: 19 63 :20 79:25 85 :25　report 101: 15　requesting 92: 18　214:8,10,13 215:2 98: 17 105: 14　106: 10 107: 16　119: 13 190:7　revival 5:6 166:13 109:20 138: 17,22　151:19 168:18　requests 131:3　166: 14 167: 16 155: 1 166:20　172:24 194: 16　194: 1, 11, 12　168: 19 173 :8 169:9 171: 10　reported 1:25　require 107:23　rewinding 87: 13 176: 15,19 186:25　reporter 7: 19 8: 18　reserve 20: 10　rhythm 151 :20 187:1,2,15 191:15　8:20 9:5,15,25　158:7　right 8:20 9:5,15 192:17,18 196:13　10:7, 13 11 :22　reserved 13: 1　18: 13 20: 10 21: 14 remind 162:3　76: 18 210:2,5　reside 71:13,15　21:15 22:1623:1 166: 17　212:6　72:2,5,8 73: 1　23:6 24: 16 30:3 reminded 36: 13　reports 192:9, 13　resided 72:24　31: 13 33 :24 36: 13 159: 14　represent 7:25　residence 71: 18　36: 15, 18 39: 15 reminding 67:22　14:9 172:11,19　206:9,25　40:6,7 42:24 reminds 71: 10　representation　resolved 149: 11　48:15,17 51:4,14 remote 1: 14　25:4　respect 129:3　53:2,23,25 54:1 remotely 11:21　representative　156: 14,20 182:24　56: 1,4, 18 57: 1, 15 146:1　1:16 9:19 15:3　182:24 190: 11　59:23 60:25 61:7 render 211:9　44:24 90:9　201:6　61: 15,24 62:20 rent 161:20　represented　respected 165: 16　64:5 65: 18 66:7 206:21　156: 18 172:7　response 47:5　69:4, 15 73 :20 rented 111: 12　representing 8:3,5　rest 151: 13　75:20 76:3,7,12 reopen 158:24　8:8,10,12　restroom 66: 18　79: 12,23 82: 13 repaid 158: 18,21　represents 26:8　result 181:23　88:2 89:5, 16 91:6 163:15 184:11　172:9　212:22　91:25 92:11,20 repay 206:1　request 45:11　retained 138:25　94:4,6, 10,21 98:8 repeat 16: 16 49:23　58:23 99:5 106:5　147: 18 209: 11　98:19 101:6,15 52: 18 54:3,8　111 :22 131:9　return 25:25　102:4,17 103:10 92: 15 97:25 131 :8　132: 18,23 133 :3　214: 17 215:6　106:19 108:1,20 143: 17 147:4　133: 15,20 134:4　returned 149: 12　110:8 111: 1,23 152:20　134: 14 156:21　returning 123: 13　116:24 117:9 repeated 156: 19　186:9,9, 16 192: 16　returns 123: 15　119: 16 121 :21 rephrase 12: 12　195:22 207:12,12　revenue 118:20　124:6 125: 15 191:25　207:14　123:23 124:7,7　127: 11,22 128:2 129: 16 130: 13 વેટ 131:17 132:5 135:24 136:20 137:2 141:6,25 142:7 145:11 148:13,22,25 149:4,13,14,15 151:18 154:9,16 155:10 158:7 159:17 160:19 162:2,18 163:3 167:10,22 171:16 172:2 173:16 177:2,20 179:16 179:17 181:9,17 181:19,25 183:2,3 183:18,21 189:17 190:19 194:20 197:13,14 198:12 200:10 202:20 203:16 204:15 207:20 208:21 209:2 210:1 rights 127:2 158:4 175:20 risk 46:12 68:14 role　52:2,18 54:23 65:11,18 66:10 67:14 71:16,23 90:2,12,22 92:13 94:17 95:18 103:23 111:15,20 111:22 112:10 116:1.10 119:24 121:5 122:9,17 123:4 124:19 125:24 126:12,18 126:23 128:3,21 129:11.24 130:14 131:1 140:6,8 143:12 150:7,16 153:11,14 156:8 157:19 158:12 159:18 161:4.8 165:5,17 166:9 170:2,11 186:16 187:23 188:13 190:8 191:23 193:3 203:25 204:2 207:7,20,22 209:21,23 210:2,4　દર્ભ 2:5 4:9 5:4 18:15 S 34:1 38:14,23 81:6 115:15 125:7 147:15,16 148:25 171:25 185:4 216:3 108:25 141:8 safe 125:12 safety 153:7 196:1 197:21 saks 198:16,19 sarnoff 2:15 8:13 8:13 saved 44:7 205:23 23:15 50:18 SAW 140:23 145:16,21 199:6 saying 54:13 65:25 92:12 94:13 95:1 says 20:1,19 51:8 56:13,17 58:5 84:5 89:9 107:8 167:23,23,24 168:2,12 172:22　170:4 186:9 190:6 192:23 196:22 207:1,12 screen 172.22 209:24 88:7 scroll 116:13 seat second 19:11,19 19:25 20:1 50:7 55:3 70:13 84:5 119:25 151:23 166:18 176:22 188:21 207:25 132:8 seconds 138:20 163:17 205:20 132:17 secret secretary 42:23,25 45:25 46:13 47:20 49:4 97:20 98:2 110:19 134:18 142:6 166:4 secured 3:10 108:25 securities 198:6 68:16,22 70:17 74:20 77:18,23 78:1,12,15 79:2,3 90:15 97:19,21 98:4,6,21 180:15 180:17 roles 47:19 142:15　210:6 rosen's 17:22 210:5 rough rudnick 2:4 8:7,10 18:6 rule 5:13 212:18 rules 5:14 164:5　197:24 schedule 214:10 191:21 schedules 192:5 scheme 124:23 scope 20:12 41:25 65:22 130:18　security 71:16 124:19 150:9 157:20:23 158:4 185:9 195:23 196:2 19:15 20:15,18 see 20:19 21:18 22:1 149:3 3:6 room rosen 2:21 8:1,2 12:20,25 13:3,7 16:11 17:25 19:21 19:23 20:3, 10 26:1,13,25 37:1 38:3 41:19 42:9 42:17 44:19 45:3　164:14 215:8 46:6 195:15 run running 79:17,20 80:14 97:14 russo 3:19 8:11,11 19:14　scott 2:21 8:2 12:24 13:5 17:22 17:25 42:16 65:2 65:14 67:7 71:22 73:4 87:2 90:6 125:1 126:10,18 130:25 145:25 150:12 156:16 157:25 161:6　22:11 23:10,13 26:13 28:20 29:15 32:1 36:20 41:2 42:11 57:6,10,20 57:23 58:13 71:7 76:5 83:10 88:14 89:1 114:21 122:20 136:7 148:7 149:10 [see l　sort] 167:15 168:6　seven 5:15 35:8　185:23,24 186:2　185:3,7 195:23 196:13 197:7　46:23 47:8　188:10.11 189:15　199:25 200:13 198:3,6,7 204:16　seventh 85:11　189:16　208:17 205:6　shea 2:21 8:2　signing 12:21 13:4　sister 84:10 seeing 169:13　72:21 sherry　13:8 64:12,24　19:10 sit seen 41:6 145:23　196:8,14 shoes　171:10　47:1,3,4 73:21 six 184:15　198:19 201:7　silverberg 2:5 8:9　73:25 77:20,24 197:21 201:2 sees　shop 196:21 197:6　8:9　78:22 88:8,14 send 141:4 154:22　199:7 201:9,9　similarly 50:10　173:7,17 195:16 201:10　shopping 199:6,24　simple 49:16　sixty 74:3.8 202:10 sends　203:16　155:11　size 130:11 32:5 70:7 sense　shops 196:19,20　simply 26:16　skill 154:18 120:13 202:2　197:6,7 199:4,22　single 63:18　s ow 19:13 sensitive 128:25　201:8　105:14　small 22:22 88:8 130-8　short 66:24 125:25　sir 12:7,17 13:20　195:21 196:4 sensitivity 156:10　126:6 134:23　14:7 16:15 20:19　social 141:5 21:24 sent　136:4 138:4,8　21:14 22:12 25:11　solicit 137:16 sentence 51:758:4　173:21 174:5　27:13,23 32:5,12　solutions 7:18,20 58:13 61:16 62:23　shorthand 212:5　33:20 36:3 37:24　209:11 214:7 84:17　19:5 21:7 show　38:12,16,24 39:15　somebody 113:25 sentences 47:17　26:2 28:13 43:3　39:20 40:7,11　155:22 separate 202:3　47:6 shown　43:11,20 45:20　39:13,18 40:6 son september 22:7　shulman 170:17　46:17 47:25 49:11　74:15 76:22 77:1 seriously 174:23　170:24 171:18,22　50:4 51:4 52:6　77:5 84:8 85:11 serve 51:25 52:15　171:24 172:9,11　56:3,5 61:8 62:12　96:4 106:16,23 54:21 58:8 69:11　172:18　63:16 64:8,22　177:22 180:11 88:16 119:8　124:21 shut　67:21 69:3,16　199:20 served 68:1,19,24　61:18 103:6 sic　71:3 72:10,22　son's 89:21 107:10 તે છે. રેણે વિ　side 183:8　76:4 78:5,6 80:19　sorry 15:21 16:15 service 93:18　sign 92:21 185:21　82:11 83:22 84:22　19:12 22:25 23:8 95:12 120:24　214:16 215:5　88:2 91:6 92:1,24　44:6 45:19 46:20 124:8　signature 56:1,25　93:12 97:24 100:2　52:10,11 56:3 services 120:9　57:21 167:19　102:15 103:21　57:13 70:13 91:5 148:12　213:3 214:21,23　104:7 108:8,24,24　97:24 98:6 104:2 serving 91:13 95:9　214:23 215:9　111:24 123:10　121:9 144:22 113:21,22 set　signed 57:7559:1　124:13 138:19　145:2 147:23 114:4,5,7 117:15　61:17,25 62:1,3,6　151:9 153:21　152:22 153:23 170:15 195:17　62:8,17,18,19 63:9　156:3 164:12　167:2,10 171:5 212:11　63:13,24 64:1,3,9　166:17 167:3　184:22 200:17 setting 128:4,6　64:20 66:9 67:6　169:5,21 170:12　sort 114:9 141:12 67:23 91:12 171:8　179:13 183:14　202:19 [sorts - started] sorts 89:25　18: 15, 16, 17, 18,20　109:4, 11, 13, 18,21　187:4 188:25 sound 18:13 33:24　18:21,24 21 :5　109:22,25 110:7　190: 14,18 191: 10 149:4 209: 1　22:8 23: 11,20,24　110: 14, 17,20,25　192:3, 11, 15 sounds 11:10 18:4　23 :25 24:2,3, 12, 13　111:11,17 113:21　193: 18 194:2, 7,8 33:17 204:19　24: 14, 18,21,23　114:12,15,23　195:4,7, 15,22 source 115:7　25:6,16,18 27:6,10　115:8,12,14,16　198:22,24 199: 14 118:17,18,20　27: 15 28:9 30:8　116:5,8 117:6, 10　201: 10,23 202:7 119:2 123:14,17　32:10,13,15,19　118:7,14 119:4,13　202: 10 206:8, 13 123:20 124:9　33: 12, 18,20,25　119:13,18,23　206:22 207: 14 159: 1,5 160:24　34: 1,3,4, 7,9,9, 13　120: 12,20,23,24　208:5,8 209:9 162:10,23　34: 16,22,25 35: 14　121:1,4,15 122:1,7　spring's 102:22 speak 13 :6 54: 11　35:20 36:2,24　122:13,20,21　121: 19 124:21 54:15 70:10　37:21 38: 1,18　123:8,13 124:11　125: 14,22 126:25 126: 16 139: 18　40:9,18,22 41:4,17　125:7 126:21　128:23 129: 17 140:5 151:5,7　42:2,5,21 43:25　127:7,8,9, 17　190:23 155:5　44: 15, 17,21,25　128:12,19,20　square 2:6,7, 16,17 speaker 58:20　45:7, 17,21,25 46:6　129: 14 130: 11, 15　3:11 59:22　46: 13 47: 10,21　131:3,9 132:18,21　squarely 65:20 speaking 11 :23　49:5, 19 50:24　132:22,23 133 :7　srosen 2:24 12:4 15: 13 158:22　51:24 52: 14 54 :20　133:16 134:19　211:1212:1 ss speaks 170:3　58:6,21,22,23　135:2,9 136:1,17　ssarnoff 2: 19 specific 26: 18 27: 1　59:21 65:21 67:25　137:7,10 140:25　stamp 167:23 107:23 126:24　68: 10, 11, 16,23　141:24 148:6,12　stand 11:8 45:3 175:20 195: 19　69:2,8,9,13,14,18　148:15,18 150:2,6　132:3 specifically 113:9　70:16 71:4,12　150:20 151: 11,25　stands 132: 1,9, 11 129: 19 188: 1　72: 1,8 73 :22,24　152:19,24 153:1　132:15 specify 140:8　74:21,24 77: 18,21　153:10 156:1,6,18　start 12:3,20 23 :25 speculate 97: 11　77:25 78:12,19　157:3,22 158: 16　29:10,23 30:10,17 127:21　79:7, 15, 18 80:5, 11　158: 17,20 159: 13　30:19 31:1,14,17 spell 17:5 38: 12　80: 12, 13, 18,22　160:21,24 163:21　32: 10 71:4 78:6 spelled 39:9　81:3,6 86:22 90:4　164:10,14 165:16　118:22 173: 18 spend 17:6 173:18　90:9, 18 91: 16, 17　165:22 166:4,5,14　174:20 spoke 135: 18,21　91:18,24 92:9,16　168:9 169:3,3, 15　started 10:22 spoken 115:3,6　93:6 95:4,24 97:2　169: 16,23,25　24:11,17 28:8 139: 13 140: 14　97:20 98:3,23　170: 14,20 171: 14　30:13 31:18,19,19 180: 12 191: 16　99:11100:16　172:10 173:1,4　31:20 32:13 33:18 209:20　102:7,23,25 103:4　174:16 175:3,13　34:4 36:2,24 spring 2:21 4:20　103 :7,9 104:6, 10　176:23 177:7,14　37:22 38: 1 40:9 5:3,11 7: 10 8:3　104: 13,14,17,22　177: 18 178: 1,3　40:18,22 41:3,17 15:3,20 16:9,22　104:24 105:8　180:5 184: 10　42:5,20 69:8,9, 14 17:2,4,10 18:9, 11　107: 15,18 108:3　185:3 186:9,14　71: 12,25 72:7 [ started - talking] 73:21,24 77:21,24　stuart 2: 15 8: 13　supplement　t 78:23 81:3 87:6　stuff 141:10,18　207:12 209:14　t 4:9 147: 15,16 117: 18,24　194:23 195:5　supplies 208: 12　216:3,3 starting 31 :23　202:3　support 82:3　tail 74:9 32:3 42:3 85:5　subject 88: 12　89:16,21,25 91:19　take 23 :9 33 :7 state 3:11 7:21　113 :20 133: 17,20　92:2 93: 18,23　35:2,8 55:9 58:21 9:25 10:5, 12 57:8　134:5 146: 11　94:4, 15 118:4,6　66: 16,19 69: 10 167: 16 168:22　163:20 176:15　119:8,13 127:9　84: 19 91: 18 96: 1 211: 1 212: 1,6　submitted 43: 19　128: 16 147:24　96:4 98: 16 99:5,6 214:9,12　subordinated　182:22　100: 11,16 102:2 stated 68: 18 98: 15　130:21　supported 118:8　108: 10,10 109:6 statement 157:22　subpoenaed　supporting 114:3　111: 15,20 112:4 191:22 192:5　129: 16　suppose 50:20　125:25 139:2 states 1:13:4,4　subscribe 211: 11　supposed 92:8　141:17 143:5 7:12 25:10,12,15　substance 211:8　118:21 124:6　148:6,11,16 158:7 25: 19,24 27:21　substantiating　130:18　159: 11 160: 1,4,10 28:5 91: 13 115: 19　186: 12　supreme 57:8　160: 13,18 161:2 117:13 125:23　succeeded 175:4　sure 12:23 21:23　161: 13,19,22,23 stay 27: 12 39:21　success 206:5　22: 15 24: 10 26:5　162:4,17,22 51:3 66:7 87:3　successful 174: 15　42:24 54:9 62: 15　173:22,25 180:9 102:1207:2　175:8,17,22 176:3　63: 18 90:21,23　181:23,23 186:17 stayed 73 :3, 7　176:5　97:21 99:5 102: 18　195:12 197:11 staying 27: 12　successfully　103:15 104:1,1　207:23 stays 206:9　120:25　106: 12 112:2　taken 4: 13 7: 10 stenotypy 212: 14　sued 58:9　120:2,5 131: 15　66:24 98:25 stick 40:3 203:21　sufficient 158: 10　140: 10 142:4　112: 15 126:6 stipulation 214:20　suggest 31 :3 112:7　143:16 167:6　127:2 174:5 stipulations 12:21　163:6　172:4,15 182:2　186: 14 212: 10 12:25　suggesting 32:7　188:2,23 192: 1　takes 112:7 stop 12:4 66:3　33:22 60:24 61:3　203:19 205:10,10　talent 154:9 store 202:9, 10　155: 12 164:24　survivor 48: 12　talk 69:21 70: 1,2,2 stores 197:6　197: 17　suzanne 1:25 7: 19　80:8 99:7 131:22 strategic 14: 18,19　suit 194:9 197:21　112:6 212:5 213:4　140:1151:20 street 2: 12,22 3:6　197:25　swear 8:18　176:21 7:3 184:20 185:3　sunny 3:17 8:23　swore 62:7 65:17　talked 69:24 70:8 190:3　10:6 40: 15 52:8　91:12　70:9 126: 18 strictly 38:7　super 12:1,9 13:21　sworn 9:1,11,21　176:18 195:9 strongly 129:8　43:13　57:2160:1561:14　talking 22:18,21 156:22　supervision　212:9　32:24 65:23 71: 19 structure 37:9　212: 15　system 10: 12　71:20 72:5,7 77:1 117: 16　84:15,25 85:12 ರಿನ [talking - time] 91:1,3,792:5　86:4,6 131:14　185:10 188:14　107:1 thoughts 100:2 125:15　146:19　190:9 201 : 17　threatened 84:11 136:19 177:3　terms 144:5,11,16　205:22 209:3　86:2 180:1,2 181:4　186:20 189:17　thanks 163:19　three 4:22,24 182:9 205:3.4　191:1　166:25　21:14 29:20 30:2 207:19　terrible 85:16　thereof 212:23　30:2 36:6,9,14 task 36:5 45:11　test 48:15 171:5　thereon 211:10　43:4,10 48:17 46:9 58:23　testified 9:22　thing 55:21 84:4　49:1,10 51:5 45:14 tasks　30:23 40:5 48:13　95:14 105:14　56:22 57:1,13,14 168:17 taxes　50:11 89:12 97:13　108:25 141:12　65:7,17 84:3,18 172:23　104:20 120:16　182:18　127:15 168:2 team 157:23　161:8 181:10　things 11:20 47:8　170:17 184:5 174:19　183:20 185:2　66:17 85:16 89:25　tight 19:11 technically 24:2　204:2　92:22 97:7 99:9　18:1.2 tim 170:20　testify 44:24 48:24　99:13 107:22,23　time 11:23 17:6,8 telephone 16:9,22　80:11 94:19 95:15　127:15,20 136:20　24:4,6,23 25:2,5 29:5 31:18 tell　191:24　182:1 194:9 195:1　25:13,16,18,25 35:6 43:16 46:4,8　testifying 48:7　198:25 199:19,21　27:20 28:4 34:11 47:2 58:2,15　61:23 64:5 75:18　200:4　34:22,25 35:4 59:25 73:13 74:6　90:8 159:13　think 13:18,20　37:22 38:18 40:17 81:18,21,23 83:21　testimony 4:12　24:9 34:8 41:21　40:24 41:3,9,17 86:22 93:10 94:3　13:19 15:8 26:12　50:11 58:25 62:14　42:5 44:8 49:18 97:10 99:15 109:3　29:19 36:5,12　66:10,16 86:3　54:8 62:13,15,17 109:25 110:5　37:23 48:2,8,15,16　93:8 94:12 100:21　62:18 63:23 64:9 113:25 117:9　51:2,2 60:15　117:4119:15　66:23 67:2,15 125:13 128:18　61:14 63:3 64:7　129:6 140:15,18　69:4,18 80:24 134:12 138:2　75:25 76:3 94:12　150:11 156:11　83:6 84:19 94:24 144:2 159:25　94:15.19 96:20　157:24 160:14　96:4,12,17,20 97:6 160:2 175:21　106:14 132:24　166:19 167:1,24　98:10,14,18 184:1,1,2 198:17　159:15,19 161:5,7　181:25 182:10　103.18 104.8 199: 1　188:4 209:7　183:10,23 190:16　106:14,18 112:14 telling 19:14　212:16　194:25 200:1　112:18 123:8 194:24　thank 8:17 10:13　201:13 203:4　124:13 126:5,9 17:8,9 22:4 ten　10:14 11:18 12:8　205:24　127:24 134:23 23:9 33:8 66:19　12:18 16:7 40:2.4　thinking 75:13　136:4 138:4,4,8,12 117:3 163:17　55:767:17 71:8　thirty 21:11,14,16　139:4 140:8,17 167:24 185:16,18　71:23 78:8 84:21　21:20 22:4,12　143:15 144:14 160:21 tendered　84:23 88:6 111:23　23:2,6,9 33:1,7　145:16 148:22 tendering 191:5　113:19 126:19　132:8 205:19　156:3 162:9,23,25 81:8,14 term　129:11 156:15　thought 128:3　163:3,13 166:5 84:13 85:19,22,24　167:7 173:20　171.4　167:24 168:16 [time - turn] 169:15,23,24　35:18,19 43:8 told　11:13 trans ated　75:10,11 77:13 173:17,18 174:4,8　60:1761:12 63:8　11:14 12:14 65:6　78:3,10 79:13,13 176:16,18 195:2　63:9,10 65:23　83:6 89:6　79:15 80:11,16,18 203:10 205:23　79:24 87:5,7 89:3　translation 31:16　80:20 81:2,5,8,14 209:3 212:11　91:12 110:24　89:4.24 94:5　85:22:23 89:11 214:10,18,24　133:19,22 135:15　translator 88:24　91:12 97:14 108:6 215:7　137:22,24,24　92:23 93:2.10.19　108:22 169:22 times 2:6,7,16,17　138:20 139:2　95:10,11 131:5　175:24 183:4 26:17 66:1 82:15　145:7 148:10　200:15　193:17 211:9,13 95:3 105:17,22　162:21 176:11,13　transport 111:13　212:15 138:21 139:20,22　179:14 180:6,9,11　transportation　160:16 trust 139:24 140:1,18　199:18　99:10 107:13,22　3:4 8:16 trustee 151:3 159:14　tongue ] 1:6　108:11 109:11,17　146:18 194-25 184:6 200:8 204:2　tonight 210:7　111:1,3　196:7 204:4 208:4　56:1 57:1 74:8 top　travel 25:19 26:14　truth 50:5 80:23 timing 182:4　187:22　26:17 27:4 40:12　truthful 13:19 timothy 18:1　topic 44:20 87:14　111:7　31:21 59:25 61:22 title 42:21 89:17　94:20 174:14　traveled 23:23　62:1,3,9 63:3 64:2 93:19 95:1,2　topics 15:6,10 20:5　24:7 27:16,17　64:6 titles 44:15 45:2　20:9 26:2 37:7,8　109:7　truthfully 13:16 49:19 65:24 95:3　38:6 41:25 65:19　travels 108:13,23　try 11:7 12:12 98:22 137:10　160:23,23　117:14　37:13 71:21 76:18 142:5.7 180:16　total 187:16　treasurer 42:23,25　87:14 98:10,14 today 11:5 13:19　209:10　45:25 46:13 47:20　129:9 138:14 15:2,7,8,12,20,25　tower 2:6,16　49:4 97:20 98:2　150:13 169:12 16:24 17:2 36:3　transaction　103:9 104:12　trying 26:6,9 32:7 49:266:19 92:20　197:20　110:18 122:13,20　50:25 51:1 65:16 94:15.20 109:5　transcribed　128:2 134:19　70:7 92:7 93:5.8 115:22 130:22　212:14　142:6,12 159:12　95:13 111:9 114:7 131:21 136:19　transcript 4:12,16　164:6 165:11,15　116:3,7 128:11 140:13 150:2　13:4,9 20:8 21:11　166:4 180:5 195:6　135:14 136:13,13 158:9 159:13　21:25 22:21 31:2　trial 4:16 13:1　143:10 163:6,9 162:13 163:1　36:22 37:18 39:17　96:20　172:15 180:3.14 176:16 182:9　48:1550:16 51:8　tried 92:23 165:9　180:16 184:22 209:4　76:20 85:3 93:4　197:25 tries　196:23 197:19 today's 16:10　210:3 212:16,18　trip 194:9 195:12　200:23 17:11,16,20 18:7　214:6.8.10.13.13　196.3　tuesday 1:18 7:2 18:19 116:12　214:21 215:2,2　true 51:3,11,23　212:10 133:17,21 134:5　translate 40:19　52:15 54:20 62:6　turn 29:3 73:10 209:7,20　59:16 82:22 89:6　62:17,19 63:13　87:23 89:15 92:10,19　67:24 69:1,7 75:4 [turning - visited] 118:19 turning　40:13 49:1 50:1　understood 13:10　204:3.7 user 202-22 twelve 84:2,17　51:6 52:6 59:14　20:14 61:6 64:21　uses 157:15　59:19 60:13 61:12　76:15 97:18　204:18 205:7.8,9 twenty 4:18 59:5　63:2,10,11 64:10　107:20 120:3　usual 12:25 84:3.18 88:13　64:11,12,14,16,25　121:12 148:11　V 139:24 140:1　66:8 70:5 79:18　161:25 171:7　2:11 V 153:15　86:21,23 89:15,20　182:7 195:23　vague 165:19 two 4:14 19:18　90:22 92:1 93:8　201:13　value 127:6 20:20 28:16 30:2　94:25 95:2.2.5.13　undocumented　128:5 values 47:17 67:12,12　98:25 106:13　186:5　various 26:17 74:10 85:9 97:7　110:13 123:25　144:15 unfamiliar　vehicle 11:7.10 136:20 149:3　124:20 129:6　unfortunately　vehicles 109:19 152:1,3,4,6 182:1　130:4 131:6　170:6　181:12,20 182:8 182:16 203:21　132:25 136:14,16　unified 10:11　182:25 183:1 108:20 type　136:19.25 143:10　unit 7.8　vendor 99:22 99:19 111:17 types　146:2,9 153:21　united 1:1 3:4,4　100:6 101:1.3 typically 119:7　156:17 158:1　7:12 25:10,12,15　vendors 118:12 u　160:12 177:4,23　25:19,24 27:21　verdolino 193:5,7 17:5 30:9 38:23 U　179:11,13 180:14　28:5 115:19　verify 99:16,17 180:16 182:1,14　117:13 125:23 38:24 39:9,9,12 86:14 112:24　186:16 188:19,23　units 209:10　100:13,19,25 189:13,13 190:8　unnecessarily　101:7,14,18,20 116:22 147:15 171:25　192:19,24 195:3,8　196:24　102:3.8.9 197:8,8 196:23 197:19　unprofessional　198:9 199:8,14 8:16 23:23 u.s.　200:24 201:18　52:11　200:10 24:8 27:17 114:8　202:4 207:19,22　unsecured 8:6　verifying 101:1 125:8 126:22　understanding　unwilling 128:18　veritext 7:18,20 142:23 146:18　31:16 36:4 39:16　130:11　209:11 214:7.9.11 194:25 196:7　58:19 68:9,13,14　uploading 19:13　video 7:8 16:6 uh 54:2 137:19　78:15 79:3,20,22　138:8 urgency　videoconference 152:16　92:4 113:22,25　usability 127:1　16:9,23 uk 27:17 115:24　114:22 119:8　128:23　videographer 3:16 116:18 117:7　122:25 123:22　usdoj.gov 3:8　7:5,18 8:17 10:14 148:5 199:17,20　129:18 131:17　use 53:19 90:3　66:19,21,25 ultimately 109:23　148:14 154:17　98:11 102:22　112:12,16 126:3,7 una 3:18 9.8　155:9,22 159:23　104:14 109:1　174:2,6 209:1,5 understand 11:9　161:20 162:6　120:2 133:11　videotaped 1:14 11:24 12:11,23　163:14 171:19　144:8 200:15　view 42:1 183:11 14:3 15:2 21:22　180:4 199:10　202:23,24 203:1,3　virtually 7:15 22:19,19 24:9　205:25 206:3,7　203:7,8,23 204:9　vision 14:18,20 26:24 27:13,18　204:10　visited 72:22 30:1 32:8 40:12 ರಿನ [void - witness] void 166:7 168:17　119:22 121:3,23　190:11 197:2　went 30:4 144:19 169:4,19 170:1　121:25 122:6.21　201:2 209:2.8　162:13 171:15 172:23　136:18 139:13,18　211:4 212:8 214:1　whatnot 158:23 173:2,13　140:14,21 149:21　214:5 216:2　whatsoever 38:5 W　151:7,14 172:19　want 21:7 24:10　whereabouts 38:14 39:9,13,13 W　176:23 177:6,16　27:1 32:6 39:23　26:17 42:12 39:14.14　177:19 178:8,15　55:21 60:18 62:14　whistle 117:18 wait 12:2.4 19:9　178:17 186:1　66:2,2,7 71:17　wife 101:13 103:6 43:7 78:7　187:7,10 189:1,16　84:4 86:20 88:1　103:13 104:5.9.14 189:20 191:6,9,16　90:21,23 106:12　201:24 202:1,24 waiting 78:8　192:13 193:20　108:24 125:3　204:9,20 205:15 waive 13:4.8　195:11 196:2　126:10 127:20　205:16,17 waived 214:23,23　199:19 200:4,24　129:1 150:13,18　wife's 201-21 waiving 214:20　201:1,6,24 204:20　154:8 175:19　202:1 196:9 wa k　204:21 205:11　176:21 181:15　wilkinson 3:18 9:8 walks 197:20　206:1,14 214:4　182:2,20 208:25　53:16 1:8 2:5 7:11 wan　216:1　111:7 wanted　william 170:16,19 8:8 39:18 40:6　wan's 68:20 77:1　201:14　172:3,9 41:16,24 42:1　93:14 106:23　wants 106:24　williams 172:2.7 45:18,22 52:1,16　wang 1:17 4:13,23　197:21 198:1　172:19 52:22 53:5,7,9,13　7:99:18 10:19　200:5,24　willing 82:4 53:21 54:22 58:10　13:12 20:2,18　2:13 washington　206:4 win 58:16 66:7 68:2.6　27:9 28:21 32:21　3:7　wish 150-9 68:11 70:16 72:3　37:1738:11 42:8　way 19:24 27:1　withdraw 43:21 72:9,17 77:4 81:4　42:20 43:10 45:6　54:12 71:22 80:7　withdrawn 17:18 81:9,15,16,21 82:1　49:12 52:13 53:19　120:14 133:13　65:1 72:19 147:20 82:10,19,23 83:7　55:14 56:17 67:4　138:14 143:9　177:21 84:15 85:1,13,19　67:19 71:17.25　163:4 165:12　witness 7:9 8:19 85:23 86:8 87:19　73:13 80:16 83:16　200:16 204:14　9:16,24 13:3,8 88:18 89:5,13　86:20 87:5 93:3　212:21,22　16:12,15 20:11 90:16 91:2,14 92:10 94:16 95:7　95:13 104:4　159:22 wealth　21:1,12 23:4 26:7 111:10 112:20,20　161:9,13,21 162:1　26:11,15 27:6 97:22 98:4.24　120:7 121:12　162:6　28:25 29:4 32:22 99:13 100:8,12,24　123:3 125:7　websites 203:20　33:2,9 35:3,5 36:3 101:4,12 102:17　126:16 131:20　week 69:25 71:2　37:2,15 38:4,9 103:13 104:5,9,14　139:25 143:20　139:20,22 140:16　40:21 42:5,10,16 104:21 105:5,15　146:4 150:18　140:16,24 151:3　43:15 44:21 46:19 105:24 106:6,15 106:24 107:8　155:11 156:25　weeks 73.8　46:22,24 52:5 108:22 110:25　158:17 163:21　wengui 39:9 53:2　53:10 54:25 55:12 171:7 174:13　53:5,12　55:12,23 56:23 111:13 115:3,6 118:6119:10,20　186:20 188:17　57:5,17 58:1 [witness - york] 59:19 65:17 66:8　78:20,20 79:21　written 63:2 188:9　44:16 45:12 48:17 66:14 67:9,15　81:19 86:11.17　189.4 191 - 18　49:1,10 51:5 73:12 74:4 83:14　89:24 92:17　212:13　61:19 64:22 65:8 83:20 87:25 88:4　147:19 149:24　wrong 56:6 75:12　65:17 80:7 116:19 88:9 90:4,13　150:11,13 151:21　164:22　116:21,23 117:1,3 92:15 94:19 95:20　152:25 157:2,17　wrongdoing　136:3 152:1,3,4,6 103:24 111:16,24　158:3 164:17　164:25　160:17 161:21,25 116:4,15 122:11　195:18 202:11　X　163:2 171:11 122:19 123:5　19:22 21:5 worked　yesterday 145:13 124:24 126:24　23:23 24:12,20　4:1,9 107:9,9 X 116:62215:1　145:14,16,18,21 129:9 131:16　25:16,18 26:9　146:5,9 162:8,9,22 140:7 143:14,23　27:10,14 34:21,25　y　163:6,10 144:13 147:10　45:9 55:3 138:25　112:24,24 116:6 y　112:23 yong 148:1 154:6 158:5　152:18 153:10　147:16　york 1:19,19 2:7,7 159:19,21 165:21　working 19:12　y'all 44:7　2:17,17,22 4:20 166:11 167:2,13　24:11,14,23,24　1:17 4:13,23 yan　5:4,12 7:1,1,10 170:12 186:11　25:3,5 29:10,23　9:18 56:17 211:4　8:3 10:12 14:23 188:3 191:23　30:10,1731:1,15　212:8 214:1,5　15:4 17:4 18:9,11 201:4 204:1 207:3　32:10 33:18 34:3　216:2　18:15,17 23:24 207:9,16 209:8,20　34:6.12 36:23　11:25 13:2 veah　24:2,15,18 27:6 212:8,13,17　37:21 38:1 40:9　23:2 26:5 30:15　28:9 29:10,23 214:13,16 215:2,5　40:18,22 41:3,17　49:1 54:2 67:14　30:4,4,11,18 31:2 216:24　42:5,20 44:14　70:4 75:21 76:16　31:14,22,23 32:1,2 women's 101:6,9　45:17,21 69:2,8,9　81:12 86:15 93:22　32:3,11,13,15 101:13　69:14 71:12,25　101:5,8 102:1　33:13,19 34:1,4,7 word 55:159:13　72:8 73:21,24　108:2 109:14,24　34:13,17,25 35:21 90:3 109:6 120:2　78:23 81:3,10　110:11 111:9　36:2,24 37:21 120:8　83:22 87:6 113:5　112:3 116:25　38:1,2 40:9,10,11 words 48:6 49:12　150:2 171:19　125:16 128:7,21　40:14,17,18,23,24 49:16 51:11 58:17　210:1　136:10 141:7　41:2,4,7,16,18 58:19 60:8 93:3　works 76:16　156:15 162:16　42:2,6,21 43:25 94:14 107:17　world 17:14　166:21,21 173:20　44:21,25 46:1,6,14 201:11 212:13　116:12 175:22　194:21 208:14　47:21 49:5,19 work 18:24 22:7,7　158:24 worms　year 18:12 41:11　51:24 52:14 54:20 23:11,20,25 24:2,3　161:19 worry　47:24 129:14,20　57:8 58:7 59:21 24:17 27:5,22　207:1　129:21,22 130:3　65:22 68:1 69:8 28:5 30:6,13,19　152:14 WOW　130:12 134:16,17　69:10,15 71:13,13 31:17,19 32:2　writing 184:13　yearly 107:12　72:1,1,4,8 73:22 33:12 45:18,22　188:5 189:10　years 25:14 29:20　81:3,6 90:18 46:10 58:21,22　190:2　30:3,20 36:5,6,10　91:16,17,19,24 59:20 60:25 71:4　36:11,14 41:13　92:9,17 93:6 95:4 [york - zoom] 97:2 98:3,23　L 99:11 103:10　116:6 L 104:6,10,13,15,22　21:14 zero 104:24 109:11,13　7:16 16:22 zoom 109:18 110:7.15 110:17,20,25 111:11,17 113:2 113:21 114:12,23 115:8,12,15 117:6 117:10 118:3,8,14 119:5,18 120:12 121:4,16 122:2,8 122:14 123:14 124:11 125:7 126:22 127:7,18 128:12 129:14 130:12 131:4,10 132:19,21,22,23 133:16 134:19 135:2,9 137:10 140:25 148:12,18 150:3,6,20 156:1,7 156:18 157:3 158:18 160:22 163:22 164:14 165:22 166:4,15 168:10 169:16,25 174:16 175:14 176:23 177:7,14 178:1 180:5 181:5 184:10,25 185:4 186:10,15 187:4 189:1 190:19 192:3,12 193:18 194:2 195:5,7 199:23 201:10 206:8,13 207:15 208:8 209:9 112:23 yu yvette 7:9 20:2 107:8 194:7 209:8 Federal Rules of Civil Procedure Rule 30 (e) Review By the Witness; Changes. 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