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# Guo Wengui / Miles Guo — bankruptcy case · EXHIBIT · ECF #250-17



EXHIBIT PAX 17

Transcript of the 341 Meeting of Creditors, dated March 21, 2022

In Re UNITED STATES BANKRUPTCY COURT DISTRICT OF CONNECTICUT \* Chapter 11 \* \* HO WAN KWOK, \* Case 22-50073(JAM) \* Debtor. \* \* \* \* \* \* \* \* \* \* \* \* \* \* \* \* \* \* TRANSCRIPT OF TELEPHONIC 341 MEETING OF CREDITORS MARCH 21, 2022 Electronically Recorded by the Office of the United States Trustee Transcript Prepared By: Christine Fiore, CERT Fiore Reporting and Transcription Service, Inc. 4 Research Drive, Suite 402 Shelton, CT 06484 (203) 929-9992

Ho Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022 APPEARANCES: For the Debtor: For the U.S. Trustee: For Logan Cheng, Creditor: For Pacific Alliance Asia Opportunity Fund, LP, Creditors: For Bruno Wu, Weican Meng and Rui Ma, Creditors: For Xiaodan Wang, Rong Zhang and Chong Shen Raphanella, Creditors: WILLIAM R. BALDIGA, ESQ. BEN SILVERBERG, ESQ. URI PINELO, ESQ. Brown Rudnick, LLP Seven Times Square New York, NY 10036 HOLLEY E. CLAIBORN, ESQ. Office of the U.S. Trustee 150 State Street New Haven, CT 06510 JAY MARSHALL WOLMAN, ESQ. Randazza Legal Group 100 Pearl Street, 14th Floor Hartford, CT 06103 DAVID V. HARBACH, II, ESQ. O'Melveny & Myers, LLP 1625 I Street NW Washington, DC 20006 STUART SARNOFF, ESQ. LAURA ARONSSON, ESQ. CRAIG McALLISTER, ESQ. MAKENZIE RUSSO STEVEN WARREN O'Melveny & Myers, LLP Times Square Tower 7 Times Square New York, NY 10036 KAREN WARSHAUER McElroy, Deutsch, Mulvaney & Carpenter One State Street Hartford, CT 06103 LILLIAN GRINNELL, ESQ. Wolf Haldenstein Adler Freeman & Herz 270 Madison Avenue New York, NY 10016
Ho Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022

APPEARANCES: (Cont'd)

For Samuel Nunberg, Creditor:

For the Sherry Netherland, Creditor: AMY ZAMIR, ESQ. Nesenoff & Miltenberg, LLP 363 Seventh Avenue New York, NY 10001
EMILY KUZNICK, ESQ. Stroock, Stroock and Lavan 180 Maiden Lane New York, NY 10038
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Ho Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022 83
1　I'm going to repeat myself
MS.
CLAIBORN:

2　from the beginning here because I
want to make sure
3　it's all on the record and I
apologize.
4　I'm going to basically start this meeting
5　over again and we're going to go very quickly and
6　was just about to
then we'll come back to where I
7　go.
8　Today is Monday,
March 21st, 2022 and we
9　are gathered for the Section 341 meeting in the
10　also known as Wengui
Chapter 11 case of Ho Wan Kwok,
11　and Miles Kwok.
Gwo
12　trial
My name is Holley Claiborn and I'm a
13　attorney in the Office of the United States Trustee
14　will be conducting today's meeting.
and I
15　am recording this meeting and also we
I
16　have the presence of an interpreter on the line
17　whose name is Bin, B-I-N.
18　have it on the record,
And so that I
I'm
19　third time about her oath.
going to ask Bin a
20　(The interpreter is sworn.)
21　For purposes of speeding this up on the
22　record we have appearances today by Jay Wolman,
on
23　behalf of Logan Cheng.
have the appearance of
We
24　Stuart Sarnoff, Mia Gonzalez,
David Harbach,
Laura

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1　all
Aronsson, Craig McAllister and Mackenzie Russo,
2　on behalf of Pacific Alliance.
And for creditors
3　and Weican Meng,
we have Karen
Rui Ma,
Bruno Wu
4　a paralegal at McElroy.
Warshauer,
5　cannot get all
Sorry,
INTERPRETER:
I
THE
6　those names at once.
7　Bin, did you translate all
MS.
CLAIBORN:
8　of the names for the Pacific Alliance?
9　The names actually just
INTERPRETER:
THE
10　translation.
repeat of the pronunciation.
a
No
11　Thank you.
Whoever does
MS.
CLAIBORN:
12　not have their phone on mute,
could you please put
13　it on mute?
Thank you.
14　The other appearances, Karen
Okay.
15　and she represents Bruno
Warshauer,
from McElroy,
16　Weican Meng and Rui Ma.
Wu,
17　are there
go back to the debtor,
Before I
18　any other creditors on the line who have counsel
19　who'd like to put their appearance on the record?
20　Hi --
MS.
GRINNELL:
21　Please wait for the
MS.
CLAIBORN:
22　translation.
23　(Indiscernible)
I'm from
MS.
GRINNELL:
24　the firm Wolf Haldenstein Adler Freeman and Herz and
25　we represent --
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cannot hear you clearly.

Ho Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022

INTERPRETER:
THE　Sorry.　The interpreter

MS.
GRINNELL:　I'm sorry. My connection
4 5 6 has been kind of off. Can you hear me now? THE INTERPRETER: Yes. MS. GRINNELL: Okay. I'll repeat what I

said.
My name is Lillian Grinnell. I'm an attorney at Wolf Haldenstein Adler Freeman and Herz and we represent the creditors, Rong Zhang, Xiaodan Wang, and Chong Sheen Raphanella.

12 13 THE INTERPRETER: The names you pronounced I could not get them.

14 15 16 17 MS. GRINNELL: I'll spell them. I'll start with the creditor's names. The creditor's names are Rong Zhang, and that's -- the first name is Rong, R-O-N-G, Z-H-A-N-G.

18 19 20 The second creditor's name is Xiaodan Wang. And her first name is spelled X-I-A-O-O-A-N. And her last name is spelled W-A-N-G.

21 22 23 24 And then the third creditor, Chong Shen Raphanella. And her first name is C-H-O-N-G. And then the second name is S-H-E-N. And the third name is R-A-P-H-A-N-E-L-L-A.

THE INTERPRETER: I only got Chong Shen
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1　and R-A-P-H-A-L.
2　I'm sorry.
Are you asking
MS.
GRINNELL:
3　to spell the third name again?
me
4　(No response.)
5　My connection is
apologize.
Sorry?
I
6　to spell any of the names
very bad.
you need me
Do
7　again?
8　think I'm okay.
INTERPRETER:
I
THE
I
9　repeat it to Mr.
Kwok already.
10　Okay.
MS.
GRINNELL:
11　Are there any other
MS.
CLAIBORN:
12　creditors on the line or parties on the line?
13　This is Amy Zamir,
from
MS.
ZAMIR:
14　My last
I'm spell that.
Nessenoff & Miltenberg.
15　name is Zamir,
Nessenoff is N-E-S-S-E-N
Z-A-M-I-R.
16　and Miltenberg, M-I-L-T-E-N-B-E-R-G.
O-F-F,
And we
17　represent creditor Sam Nunberg, N-U-N-B-E-R-G.
18　Is there anyone else who
MS.
CLAIBORN:
19　would like to put their appearance on the record.
20　This is Emily Kuznick,
Yes.
MS.
KUZNICK:
21　of
and then Kuznick,
E-M-I-L-Y,
K-U-Z-N-I-C-K,
22　that's S-T-R-O-O-C-K,
Stroock, Stroock and Lavan,
23　and Stroock, and Lavan is L-A-V-A-N. And we
24　represent the Sherry Netherland.
And for Sherry
25　Netherland it's S-H-E-R-R-Y,
and then Netherland, N

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1　E-T-H-E-R-L-A-N-D.
2　I'm clarifying what he
INTERPRETER:
THE
3　said.
4　(Interpretation.)
5　Let me continue
INTERPRETER:
THE
6　clarifying what was yelled out just now.
7　(Interpretation.)
8　I'm sorry.
The
THE
INTERPRETER:
9　interpreter cannot get that.
Nobody picked up my
10　don't know.
question so I
11　Bin.
Thank you,
MS.
CLAIBORN:
12　Any other creditors or parties in interest
13　before I
go back to the debtor?
14　This is David Harbach,
from
MR.
HARBACH:
15　just
representing PACS.
O'Melveny and Myers,
I
16　wanted to clarify that is it correct that we have
17　not gotten an answer from the debtor about what he
18　just said?
19　have not heard any interpretation of it
I
20　understand the interpreter was attempting to
and I
21　clarify what was said but the debtor did not
22　and we'd like to know
as far as I
heard,
respond,
23　what he said.
24　I'll
This is Bill Baldiga.
MR.
BALDIGA:
25　accept your apologies.
That was not the debtor, but
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Ho Wan Kwok -
1　accept your apology for that inference.
I
2　I'm going to come back to
MS.
CLAIBORN:
3　that a
in minute.
4　( Indiscernible)
Okay.
MR.
HARBACH:
5　should apologize, but can we inquire then
whether I
6　The interpreter was
who made the outburst?
7　attempting to clarify and so are we.
Forgive the
8　inference.
9　interpreted what
So I
INTERPRETER:
THE
10　Just now someone burst out with a
you requested.
11　few words --
The interpreter did
with sentences.
12　So the interpreter tried
not get those sentences.
13　to clarify who talked and what those words are, but
14　nobody picked up the interpreter's question.
15　This is Holley Claiborn.
MS.
CLAIBORN:
16　Could the person who spoke up please answer the
17　interpreter's question and identify themselves?
18　Sorry about that.
Just
INTERPRETER:
THE
19　now it was it was just a video tape.
It was not
20　someone talked.
21　This is Bill Baldiga.
Mr.
BALDIGA:
MR.
22　Kwok --
Kwok heard during that outburst was
what Mr.
23　someone playing back an audio of his voice and we do
24　want to know everyone who is on the phone and we
25　would like identified who played that audio clip.

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Ho Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022 10 Thank you. UNIDENTIFIED: Sorry, it was me. I played Mr. Kwok's video just now. MS. CLAIBORN: Could the person who just spoke identify themselves? THE INTERPRETER: The interpreter needs to clarify. (Interpreter inquires) MR. YAN: My name is Xingyu Yan. I'm one of Mr. Kwok's creditors. MR. BALDIGA: Can we have the spelling, please? Could we obtain the spelling of that name please? MR. YAN: The spelling is X, for Xray, I, as India, N, as in Nancy, Gas in George, Yasin Yes, U as in umbrella. in Nancy. Last name Y, A as in apple, N as MR. BALDIGA: Ms. Claiborn, Bill Baldiga again. Could you please exhaust the names of everyone else on the line, just so we know who is participating, whether or not they intend to ask questions? MS. CLAIBORN: I'm trying to get there. That was my -- okay. Is anyone else on the line? If you are on

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G-R-E-I-F.

(indiscernible).

Myers.

Rudnick.
Ho Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022 11 the line, and you could please identify yourself? MR. GREIF: Hello. My name is Steven Greif, MR. WARREN: Steven Warren of O'Melveny & MR. JALBERT: Craig Jalbert of INDISCERNIBLE: (Indiscernible) from Robinson and Cole. INDISCERNIBLE: (Indiscernible) from Stroock, Stroock and Lavan. MS. DEERING: Alexandra Deering of Brown

14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MS. CLAIBORN: This is Holley Claiborn again. Thank you all for putting your appearances on the record. And if I could go back to debtor's camp, Mr. Baldiga, could you put your appearance on the record and note everybody who's with you at your location. MR. BALDIGA: Yes. We're in our -- I'm sorry. I missed what was just said. MS. CLAIBORN: Mr. Baldiga, could you go ahead, please? Mr. Baldiga, could you go ahead, please? MR. BALDIGA: Yes. Thank you. We are at

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our offices at 7 Times Square in New York.
And can you please state the name,
Mr.
Baldiga, of who is present with you?
response.)
(No
Baldiga, could you please
Mr.
MS.
CLAIBORN:
state the names of the people who are with you?
Ben Silverberg and Uri Pinelo.
MR.
BALDIGA:
believe
Other names I
Okay.
MS.
CLAIBORN:
heard earlier are Una Menye
(ph), who is an
I
interpreter, and Attorney Aaron Mitchell.
That's right.
Yes.
BALDIGA:
MR.
I'm going to swear in
Okay.
Ms.
CLAIBORN:
would ask everyone to put their
Kwok and I
Mr.
phones on mute.
(The debtor is sworn.)
today's
as you know,
Mr.
Kwok,
MS.
CLAIBORN:
meeting is being recorded and there's an
interpreter, Bin, who's interpreting my questions
and the comments of others and will also be
interpreting your answers.
Please wait to answer any questions you are
asked today until the official interpreter has made
full translation.
a
ask that you do not communicate with your
I

25 own interpreter who is present with you before you

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1　will
answer the questions,
and should you do so,
I
2　ask the official interpreter to translate that
3　discussion.
4　Could you please
Sorry.
INTERPRETER:
THE
5　repeat?
6　ask that you do
Mr.
Kwok,
MS.
CLAIBORN:
I
7　not communicate with your own interpreter who is
8　with you today before you answer my questions or the
9　questions of others.
10　He could not use his own
INTERPRETER:
THE
11　interpreter.
12　could you translate that
Bin,
MS.
CLAIBORN:
13　instruction for Mr.
Kwok.
14　This is Bill Baldiga.
BALDIGA:
MR.
15　To the extent
16　Baldiga, could you just
Mr.
MS.
CLAIBORN:
17　wait for Bin to interpret that instruction for me
18　and then you can make your comment.
19　This is Bill
things.
BALDIGA:
Two
MR.
20　Baldiga.
21　you've become quite muffled again
Holley,
22　to the extent that Mr.
Kwok needs to
and second,
23　talk to his interpreter to better understand what
24　was said or the interpreter in the room with us
25　believes that there was a misinterpretation, we will

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1　tell you that so that you do know if there is a
2　further conversation.
3　Thank you.
MS.
CLAIBORN:
4　Sworn
HO WAN KWOK,
5　EXAMINATION BY MS.
CLAIBORN:
6　can you please explain the reason
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
7　to file your Chapter 11 bankruptcy case?
8　Sorry?
UNIDENTIFIED:
9　please explain the reasons behind
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
10　your decision to file your Chapter 11 bankruptcy
11　case?
12　This is David Harbach.
We're
HARBACH:
MR.
13　having trouble understanding you again.
14　apologize.
My phone system
MS.
CLAIBORN:
I
15　is new and I'm yelling into the phone, but unless I
16　put it on speaker phone I
won't be able to record
17　it.
Does yelling improve your ability to hear me?
18　It's very difficult to
MR.
HARBACH:
19　understand your questions because they're so
20　it's diction,
It's not volume,
if I
muffled.
may be
21　blunt.
22　will try to speak slowly.
MS.
CLAIBORN:
I
23　Is that any better?
24　It seems to be,
yes.
Thank
BALDIGA:
MR.
25　you.
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2　We're going to try this again.
Okay.
Q
3　can you please explain your
Mr.
Kwok,
4　reasons behind filing your Chapter 11 bankruptcy
5　case?
6　don't know what
cannot understand you.
I
I
A
7　you mean by filing Chapter 11 of bank.
8　why did you file your bankruptcy
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
9　case?
10　The interpreter would like
INTERPRETER:
THE
11　to clarify the word he said.
12　I'm not filing any bankruptcy certificate.
A
13　Let me try again.
Q
14　you are a
Chapter 11 debtor in a
Mr.
Kwok,
15　bankruptcy proceeding here in the United States.
16　what were the reasons behind your
Mr.
Kwok,
17　decision to file your bankruptcy case?
18　So you're asking me why I'm applying for
A
19　right?
bankruptcy,
20　Yes.
Q
21　filed (indiscernible)
in mid-February in
I
A
22　my second trial, or second appearance in Southern
23　District. I
fine of \$120 million and I
was given a
24　was ordered to pay it off within five days.
So
25　without any choices --
filed bankruptcy
so I

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1　application at Connecticut state and Chapter 11.
2　when was the first time you spoke
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
3　lawyer about filing a bankruptcy case?
with a
4　Just the date,
or the
BALDIGA:
MR.
5　approximate date.
Not the substance of the advice.
6　Approximately 12,
13.
A
7　Can you please provide the month and the
Q
8　year?
9　It was February the 12th of 2002.
A
10　Did you say 2002 or 2021?
Q
11　February the 12th or 13.
2022.
A
12　I'd ask you to take a
look at your
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
13　bankruptcy petition that was filed with the
14　bankruptcy court at ECF 1.
15　a handwritten signature appears on
Mr.
Kwok,
16　that petition. Is that your handwritten signature?
17　I'll ask the lawyer to get
second.
Hold on a
A
18　it and I'll take
look.
a
19　This is Bill Baldiga.
have
MR.
BALDIGA:
We
20　with us the petition with the electronic signature
21　as filed.
don't have in the conference room me
I
22　If you'd like us to get
the handwritten signature.
23　it, we could get it at a break.
24　look at the
can you take a
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
25　document that your counsel has, which is the

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Ho Wan Kwok -
1　bankruptcy petition with your printed name on it and
2　confirm that you signed that document prior to it
3　being filed with the court?
4　Please hold on one second.
take a
Let me
A
5　look.
6　hear the translation,
Could I
MR.
BALDIGA:
7　want to hear the translation of what you
please.
I
8　said.
9　(No response.)
10　Is the translator still with
MR.
BALDIGA:
11　us?
12　are you on the line?
Bin,
MS.
CLAIBORN:
13　(No response.)
14　are you there?
Bin,
15　(No response.)
16　It seems that Bin has left us so I'm going
17　to put everybody on hold and I'm going to try to
18　reconnect her.
apologize.
I
19　That's okay.
Could we take a
BALDIGA:
MR.
20　short break?
21　It's going to take me
few
MS.
CLAIBORN:
a
22　minutes to do that, so go ahead and we'll reconvene
23　can get her on the line.
as soon as I
24　Thank you very much.
MR.
BALDIGA:
25　(Off the record.)

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1　are back on the record
MS.
CLAIBORN:
We
2　after a
short break due to some technical
3　difficulties.
4　BY MS.
CLAIBORN:
5　The pending question was asking Mr.
Kwok to
Q
6　confirm that he signed the bankruptcy petition that
7　was filed at ECF 1.
8　have finished looking at it, yes.
I
A
9　did you read and understand the
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
10　bankruptcy petition and information it contains
11　before you signed it?
12　understood.
Yes,
I
A
13　was the petition translated into
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
14　another language for you before you signed it?
15　it was translated into Chinese for me.
Yes,
A
16　translated the bankruptcy petition?
Who
Q
17　My lawyer did.
A
18　don't think that Mr.
Baldiga
Mr.
Kwok,
I
Q
19　speaks Chinese.
20　So who was the company or the person that
21　you used to translate the petition for you?
22　don't know.
I
A
23　is the information in your
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
24　bankruptcy petition true and accurate to the best of
25　your knowledge?
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1　it is accurate and true.
Yes,
A
2　look at the
can you please take a
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
3　declaration and about individual debtor's schedules
4　that was filed with the court docket at ECF No.
79.
5　Sorry, could you please
INTERPRETER:
THE
6　repeat?
7　look at the
can you please take a
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
8　declaration about an individual debtor's schedules
9　that was filed with the bankruptcy court at ECF 79.
10　a handwritten signature appears on
Mr.
Kwok,
11　that declaration.
Is that your handwritten
12　signature?
13　it was signed
The document in my hand.
Yes,
A
14　by me.
15　And are you looking at ECF no.
79?
Q
16　Yes.
A
17　was the declaration that was filed
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
18　at ECF 79 translated into another language for you
19　before you signed it?
20　Yes.
A
21　What language was it translated into?
Q
22　Chinese.
A
23　do you know who did the
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
24　translation of ECF no.
79?
25　Yes.
A

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1　And who was that person who translated ECF
Q
2　79 into Chinese for you?
3　The lawyer.
A
4　Can you tell me
the name of the lawyer?
Q
5　Bill.
A
6　This is Bill Baldiga.
The
BALDIGA:
MR.
7　witness is not distinguishing between what I
did
8　personally and what we had commissioned,
to help
9　clarify.
do not obviously do translations myself.
I
10　Attorney Baldiga, can you
MS.
CLAIBORN:
11　tell me
the name of the translation person who
12　worked for you or the name of the company?
13　I'll have to get that.
don't
BALDIGA:
I
MR.
14　have it here.
15　did you read and understand the
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
16　declaration filed at ECF no.
79 before you signed
17　it?
18　understood.
Yes,
A
19　look at your
can you please take a
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
20　bankruptcy schedules that were filed with the
21　bankruptcy court at ECF 78.
22　for purposes of today, when I
And Mr.
Kwok,
23　used the term schedules, either collectively or by a
24　particular schedule,
I'm referring to the documents
25　that were filed at ECF 78.

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1　were your bankruptcy schedules
Mr.
Kwok,
2　translated for you?
3　it was translated.
Yes,
A
4　were you involved in preparing the
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
5　responses and the answers to the questions in the
6　schedules?
7　was.
Yes,
I
A
8　did you read and understand all of
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
9　the responses and the answers to the questions in
10　the schedules before you signed the declaration that
11　was filed at ECF 79.
12　Yes.
A
13　who assisted you in the
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
14　preparation of your bankruptcy schedules?
15　The lawyer.
A
16　can you tell me which lawyers
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
17　helped you?
18　Bill.
A
19　are you referring to Attorney
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
20　Baldiga?
21　Yes.
A
22　did any other lawyers help you in
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
23　preparing your bankruptcy schedules?
24　Yes.
A
25　Can you please tell me
the names of the
Q
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1　other lawyers who assisted you?
2　don't know how to say their names.
I
I
A
3　cannot read English well.
4　This is Bill Baldiga. I'm
MR.
BALDIGA:
5　happy to add that, of course, other of our
6　colleagues here at Brown Rudnick assisted. But I'm
7　Kwok would have details as to who
not sure Mr.
8　exactly assisted on what part of it, but you could
9　ask,
of course.
10　did any lawyer help you prepare
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
11　your schedules who is not a
lawyer at Brown Rudnick?
12　need to talk with
Excuse me.
BALDIGA:
I
MR.
13　I'm just going to put you
Kwok for one second.
Mr.
14　on mute for one second.
15　I'd prefer he answer the
MS.
CLAIBORN:
16　question before you have your conference, Mr.
17　Baldiga.
18　Because the whole bankruptcy application,
A
19　the whole stuff was arranged by this lawyer.
But I
20　don't know all the other details.
21　you want to confer with
MS.
CLAIBORN:
Do
22　your client?
23　I'll clarify only that Mr.
MR.
BALDIGA:
24　Kwok likely does not know of all of the
25　conversations that we've had with others, but this

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Ho Wan Kwok -
1　is the opportunity to exam him,
so you can obviously
2　ask that but we don't want to be misleading.
3　aside from Mr.
Baldiga and lawyers
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
4　at Brown Rudnick did you speak with any other
5　lawyers about preparing your bankruptcy schedules?
6　Yes.
A
7　did you speak with?
Who
Q
8　Another law firm called Ari and my personal
A
9　(indiscernible).
lawyer
10　What is the name of your personal lawyer?
Q
11　confer and I
might be
Could I
MR.
BALDIGA:
12　able to answer that question?
13　ahead.
MS.
CLAIBORN:
Go
14　second to
have a
Could I
BALDIGA:
MR.
15　confer, please?
16　Yes.
MS.
CLAIBORN:
17　(Pause.)
18　Thank you.
BALDIGA:
MR.
19　what is the name of your personal
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
20　lawyer?
21　Guy Petrillo and
(indiscernible).
Ari
A
22　understand correctly that you
Kwok do I
Mr.
Q
23　discussed your bankruptcy schedules with Guy
24　Petrillo and Aaron Mitchell?
25　Yes.
A

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1　did you discuss your bankruptcy
Mr.
Kwok,
Q

2　schedules with any other lawyers that you haven't
3　yet told me
about today?
4　don't remember.
I
A
5　are there any errors or omissions
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
6　in your bankruptcy schedules?
7　don't see anything like that now.
I
A
8　is everything in your bankruptcy
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
9　schedules true and accurate to the best of your
10　knowledge?
11　Yes.
A
12　look at
could you please take a
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
13　your bankruptcy statement of financial affairs that
14　was filed with the court at ECF no.
77.
15　using the numbers at the top of
Mr.
Kwok,
16　the document can you please go to page 20 where you
17　will find a handwritten signature.
18　Sorry?
THE
INTERPRETER:
19　Where you will find a handwritten signature.
Q
20　is the handwritten signature on
Mr.
Kwok,
21　page 20 of the statement of financial affairs your
22　own?
23　Yes.
A
24　was the statement of financial
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
25　affairs translated for you before you signed it?

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1　Yes.
A
2　were you involved in the preparing
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
3　of the responses and the answers to the questions in
4　the statement of financial affairs?
5　Yes.
A
6　did you read and understand all
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
7　the responses and answers to the questions in the
8　statement of financial affairs before you signed it?
9　understood all.
I
A
10　are there any errors or omissions
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
11　in your statement of financial affairs?
12　No.
A
13　(No response.)
14　would you please answer the
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
15　question?
16　I'm sorry.
Could you repeat
BALDIGA:
MR.
17　We didn't get the interpretation here in the
that?
18　room for some reason.
19　I'll ask the question again.
MS.
CLAIBORN:
20　Are there any errors or omissions in your
Q
21　statement of financial affairs?
22　haven't found any errors or
to now I
Up
A
23　omissions.
24　is everything in your statement of
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
25　financial affairs true and accurate to the best of

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1　your knowledge?
2　Yes.
A
3　who assisted you in the
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
4　preparation of your statement of financial affairs?
5　My lawyer, Bill, and my financial advisor,
A
6　Matt.
7　are you referring to Attorney
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
8　Baldiga?
9　Yes.
A
10　And what is the name --
the full name of the
Q
11　financial advisor?
12　don't know how to spell it.
I
A
13　It's Matt Flynn and colleagues
MR.
BALDIGA:
14　at Verdolino and Lowey.
But you could
15　is that correct?
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
16　will say it wrong,
I'm afraid I
will
but I
A
17　my lawyer Baldiga to clarify for you.
ask for Mr.
18　can move on.
We
Q
19　This is Bill Baldiga.
MR.
BALDIGA:
20　Kwok simply does not know the full name
Mr.
21　of Matt Flynn or Matt's colleagues at Verlino and
22　confirm that he is pointing at Matt
but I
Lowey,
23　Flynn next to him when he answers the question.
24　Thank you.
MS.
CLAIBORN:
25　did anyone else help you with your
Mr.
Kwok,
Q

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1　statement of financial affairs?
2　No.
A
3　how long have you lived in the
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
4　United States?
5　Nearly seven years.
A
6　This is David Harbach.
HARBACH:
MR.
I
7　didn't get the translation of the answer.
8　can you please repeat
Bin,
MS.
CLAIBORN:
9　your translation.
10　Nearly 7 years.
INTERPRETER:
THE
11　do you still live at the Taconic
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
12　Road property in Greenwich?
13　Yes.
A
14　owns that property in Greenwich?
Who
Q
15　My wife.
A
16　Your bankruptcy documents refer to a
company
Q
17　called Greenwich Land,
owns that company?
LLC.
Who
18　My wife.
A
19　What is your wife's name?
Q
20　(Indiscernible)
A
21　could you please
Bin,
MS.
CLAIBORN:
22　translate that for me
into a
spelling?
23　just clarify with
Let me
INTERPRETER:
THE
24　can spell
him which Chinese characters are,
then I
25　it for you.

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1　My wife's name is read at
(indiscernible)
A
2　but she's from --
she's from Hong Kong.
Their
3　spelling is different from Mainland and I
don't know
4　how to spell her name.
5　could you just please spell her
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
6　last name?
7　don't know how to spell.
A
I
8　Does anyone else have a membership interest
Q
9　in Greenwich Land LLC aside from your wife?
10　don't know.
I
A
11　formed as a
When was Greenwich Land LLC
Q
12　company?
13　2020.
A
14　have you ever been a member of
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
15　Greenwich Land,
LLC?
16　No.
A
17　LLC pay for the
How much did Greenwich Land,
Q
18　purchase of the Greenwich property on Taconic Road?
19　don't know specifically but approximately
I
A
20　5 million.
21　And how was that purchase funded?
Q
22　don't know.
I
A
23　Who would know the answer, Mr.
Kwok?
Q
24　Sorry?
INTERPRETER:
THE
25　Who would know the answer to that, Mr.
Kwok?
Q

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1　My wife knows.
A
2　This is David Harbach and I
HARBACH:
MR.
3　apologize for the interruption.
4　We missed the translation by the number of
5　that Mr.
Kwok said approximately this kind of
6　Could that please be repeated?
property would cost.
7　Sorry, the interpreter
INTERPRETER:
THE
8　cannot hear you clearly.
9　will ask your
Harbach,
Mr.
MS.
CLAIBORN:
I
10　question again.
11　Thank you.
MR.
HARBACH:
12　How much was the Taconic Road property in
Q
13　Greenwich purchased for?
14　don't know clearly but approximately 4
I
A
15　million to 5 million.
16　When did Greenwich Land LLC purchase the
Q
17　property on Taconic Road in Greenwich?
18　don't know the specific time.
I
A
19　you know the year?
Do
Q
20　don't remember clearly.
2019 or 2020.
I
A
21　(Unintelligible background chatter.)
22　Could whoever is speaking
MS.
CLAIBORN:
23　identify themselves?
24　just for one second.
Excuse me
MR.
BALDIGA:
25　I'm just going to
translation issue.
We may have a

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Ho Wan Kwok -
1　put you on mute for one second.
2　(Pause.)
3　This is Bill Baldiga.
BALDIGA:
MR.
We
4　believe that the answer by Mr.
Kwok to the date was
5　2019 or 2020, but the translator may have said 2020
6　obviously don't know.
without a mention of 2019.
I
7　if it matters,
But that's --
you could re-ask to be
8　sure that there's clarity around that?
9　when did Greenwich Land LLC
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
10　purchase the Taconic Road property in Greenwich?
11　Maybe it's 2020 or maybe it's 2019.
don't
I
A
12　remember clearly.
don't know.
I
13　did you sign any documents in
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
14　connection with the purchase of the Taconic Road
15　Property in Greenwich?
16　No.
A
17　who lives at the Taconic Road
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
18　property in Greenwich?
19　Sorry?
INTERPRETER:
Who
THE
20　lives at the Taconic Road property in
Who
Q
21　Greenwich?
22　My wife and I.
Sometimes my daughter who
A
23　lives in New York will come back.
24　are you currently employed by
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
25　anyone?

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1　Are you what?
INTERPRETER:
THE
2　Are you currently employed by anyone or any
Q
3　company?
4　No.
A
5　have you had any employment or any
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
6　job with an employer since you started living in the
7　United States?
8　don't remember clearly.
don't remember
I
I
A
9　clearly but approximately in 2015 at Golden Spring I
10　got part of my wages
worked for some time.
After I
11　left and nothing else.
of salary I
12　What work did you do for Golden Spring in
Q
13　2015?
14　don't remember quite clearly but it seems
I
A
15　it (indiscernible)
was put in charge of
I
16　investors. But I
don't
(indiscernible)
developing
17　remember clearly.
18　when did you stop working for
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
19　Golden Spring?
20　just one second.
Excuse me
MR.
BALDIGA:
I
21　just want to make sure we --
for one
excuse me
22　just want to make sure we don't
second.
I
23　translation.
(indiscernible)
We may.
24　(Pause.)
25　Our interpreter believes that
BALDIGA:
MR.

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1　the response was that if he had a
role at Golden
2　Springs, it was to develop investment opportunities
3　not to develop investors.
4　when did you stop working for
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
5　Golden Spring?
6　don't remember clearly.
I
A
7　when you say Golden Spring,
are
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
8　you referring to the company known as Golden Spring,
9　Limited?
New York,
10　Yes.
A
11　did you get paid for any of the
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
12　work that you for Golden Spring?
13　Yes.
A
14　How much were you paid?
Q
15　don't remember
Approximately 200,000.
I
A
16　specifically.
17　did you receive a paycheck from
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
18　your work at Golden Spring?
19　don't remember clearly
should have but I
I
A
20　specifically.
21　did you put the money that you
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
22　were paid by Golden Spring into a bank account?
23　should have put it into a
credit card
I
A
24　account at Morgan Stanley.
25　are you saying that you had a bank
Mr.
Kwok,
Q

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Do you still have a bank account at Morgan

When did you close your accounts at Morgan

account at Morgan Stanley?

Yes, once I had.

Stanley?

A　Around April,　2017 when　(indiscernible)　the
Chinese Communist Party stated chasing me
and
10 11 (indiscernible) closed. me. So all my bank accounts were

12 13 MR. BALDIGA: mistranslation there. Hold on. There's a

14 (Pause.)
A

Q

Stanley?

A

No.

Q
15 16 17 18 MR. BALDIGA: The prior misstatement or mistranslation was just the interpretation of the word. But here the entire crux of the answer was left out. And I'm not sure what happened.

19 20 MS. CLAIBORN: Maybe I can ask a different question. We can try again.

21 22 23 24 25 MR. BALDIGA: No, I think -- no, I think the answer -- I'm concerned with the accuracy of the translation because there was specific mention of names that were simply not produced in the answer. And I'll guess, Bin, did you not hear the mention of

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Ho Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022 PACS and Bruno Wu, or was there a sound issue, or what happened? (Interpreter translates) MS. CLAIBORN: Mr. Kwok, did you -- MR. KWOK: So Bruno Wu, (indiscernible) 34 Airlines and also Chinese Communist party, they all chased me and wanted to kill me. So I (indiscernible) closed. -- all my bank accounts were PAC, PACS. (Indiscernible) all the people are present today at today's meeting. MR. BALDIGA: Could we have on the record the entirety of what Mr. Kwok said. That's a very small part of what he said, obviously. what he said but that's much shorter. (Interpreter translates) I don't know THE INTERPRETER: him to (indiscernible) The interpreter is asking every two names so that I can maintain the integrity of his meaning. MR. KWOK: At today's meeting there are PAC, one of the major creditors. And also (indiscernible). And also (indiscernible) member. All the money that had to be paid went into an account of the Communist Party under the name of Bruno Wu. So since that day when all the -- all the 83

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ર　ਸ

March 21, 2022
Ho Wan Kwok -
1　representatives of the Chinese Communist party --
so
2　lost all my
when the chasing and killing started I
3　bank accounts.
4　This is David Harbach.
Bin,
MR.
HARBACH:
5　could you please repeat that?
6　Sorry?
INTERPRETER:
THE
7　This is David Harbach.
HARBACH:
You
MR.
8　just translated an answer that began with since that
9　Can you please repeat the answer in English?
day.
10　Since that day all those
INTERPRETER:
THE
11　people who are representatives of Chinese Communist
12　lost all my bank accounts.
Party, since that day I
13　BY MS.
CLAIBORN:
14　did you have any money in your
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
15　Morgan Stanley account when you closed it?
16　Yes.
A
17　And where did you move that money to?
Q
18　Nobody bothered looking at me
again since
A
19　the account was closed.
20　my question is where did you move
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
21　the money to?
22　This is Bill Baldiga --
I'm
BALDIGA:
MR.
23　This is Bill Baldiga.
sorry.
24　Could you ask if perhaps you're inferring or
25　implying that he moved it as opposed to something

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Ho Wan Kwok -
1　Could you ask it in a more neutral
happened to it?
2　way and you may get a more full answer?
3　did you or someone acting on your
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
4　behalf close the Morgan Stanley account?
5　The Communist Party, Bruno Wu
and also the
A
6　It was closed by the Communist
(indiscernible)
7　party.
8　was the Morgan Stanley account in
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
9　the United States?
10　Yes.
A
11　how does somebody other than you,
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
12　or someone acting on your behalf close a bank
13　account in your name?
14　to repeat the
He wants me
INTERPRETER:
THE
15　question, the interpretation of the question.
16　(Interpreter translates again.)
17　It's the core control of the Communist
A
18　Party, like what's happening today.
The same thing.
19　( Indiscernible)
happened on me.
20　Claiborn,
could I
suggest
Ms.
MR.
BALDIGA:
21　that you ask whether Morgan Stanley closed the
22　just so we could be more efficient here?
account,
23　did you close the account at
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
24　Morgan Stanley?
25　Sorry?
INTERPRETER:
THE

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1　did you close the account at
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
2　Morgan Stanley?
3　still didn't
I'm sorry.
INTERPRETER:
I
THE
4　quite get the question actually.
5　did you personally close the
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
6　account at Morgan Stanley?
7　No.
A
8　did you ask someone at Morgan
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
9　Stanley to close your account?
10　No.
A
11　how did you find out that your
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
12　bank account at Morgan Stanley was closed?
13　Morgan Stanley notified me
that I
was on the
A
14　So it was
wanted list of the Chinese government.
15　Bruno Wu who was representing (indiscernible)
name
16　on the wanted list so the account was closed.
17　when Morgan Stanley closed the
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
18　account, what happened to the money in the account?
19　this is David
Claiborn,
Ms.
MR.
HARBACH:
20　missed the second half of that
I'm sorry. I
Harbach.
21　question.
When Morgan Stanley closed the account
22　lost you.
and then I
23　I'll repeat
my question.
Q
24　when Morgan Stanley closed the
Mr.
Kwok,
25　bank account, what happened to the money in the bank

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1　account?

2　The last thing I
Chinese speaking
know was a
A
3　telling me
that my account was
person called me
4　was under a wanted list of the
closed because I
5　And what happened later on I
Chinese government.
6　don't know really.
7　how much money was in the --
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
8　This is Bill Baldiga
BALDIGA:
MR.
9　Baldiga?
Yes,
Mr.
MS.
CLAIBORN:
10　This is Bill Baldiga. I
think
MR.
BALDIGA:
11　it would be helpful --
don't want to interrupt
I
12　if we took a break pretty
your flow of questions,
13　But if you want to finish this line, certain
soon.
14　do that.
15　also want --
there may be some confusion
I
16　with the Morgan name and so you may want to ask the
17　witness whether it's, in fact, Morgan Stanley or JP
18　Morgan Chase.
19　think it was JP
remember.
Now I
I
MR.
KWOK:
20　just cannot differentiate. I
get
Morgan Chase.
I
21　confused with Morgan Stanley or JP Morgan Chase.
22　was there only one account at
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
23　whatever it is you're calling it, be it JP Morgan
24　Chase or Morgan Stanley?
25　remember is I
have this only one
What I
A

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Ho Wan Kwok -
1　account.
2　How much money was in that account
Q
3　approximately when it was closed?
4　dollars.
A few thousand U.S.
A
5　missed it. Can you repeat
MR.
HARBACH:
I
6　the English, please?
7　can you please repeat
Bin,
MS.
CLAIBORN:
8　the answer?
9　(No response.)
10　can you please repeat
Bin,
MS.
CLAIBORN:
11　the answer?
12　This is David Harbach.
HARBACH:
I
MR.
13　missed the translation before the word thousand.
I
14　did not hear the number.
Could you please repeat
15　it?
16　He said a
few thousand
INTERPRETER:
THE
17　dollars.
U.S.
18　when you say a
few thousand
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
19　dollars, can you give me
an idea of what you mean?
20　Was it under \$10,000?
21　don't remember.
I
A
22　few minutes ago you testified
Mr.
Kwok,
a
Q
23　that you were working for Golden Spring developing
24　investment opportunities.
Can you explain more?
25　Sorry?
INTERPRETER:
THE

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1　wasn't finished with the
MS.
CLAIBORN:
I
2　I'll try again.
question.
apologize.
I
3　few minutes ago you testified
Mr.
Kwok,
a
Q
4　that you were working for Golden Spring developing
5　investment opportunities.
Can you please explain
6　what you mean by that?
7　don't remember.
I
A
8　When you were working for Golden Spring,
Q
9　were you working in the United States?
10　Yes.
A
11　When you were working with Golden Spring did
Q
12　job title?
you have a
13　don't remember.
I
A
14　When you were working for Golden Spring, did
Q
15　you do any other work aside from developing
16　investment opportunities?
17　(indiscernible)
Communist Party of China.
A
18　Can you please explain that?
Q
19　Since 2015 up till
have been spending
now I
A
20　all my time and my energy on collecting information
21　about corruption and also human rights issues and
22　assassinations of the Community Party.
That's my
23　target and my work.
24　do you currently have any source
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
25　of income?

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Ho Wan Kwok -
1　didn't get you.
Could
INTERPRETER:
I
THE
2　you please repeat?
3　do you currently have a
source of
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
4　income?
5　No.
A
6　have you filed your tax returns
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
7　for the year 2021 with the Internal Revenue Service
8　in the United States?
9　No.
A
10　have you filed any tax returns in
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
11　states for the tax year 2021?
12　Sorry?
INTERPRETER:
THE
13　Have you filed any tax returns for any
Q
14　states for the tax year 2021?
15　No.
A
16　What tax returns will you need to file for
Q
17　what states for the year 2021?
18　Individual tax file in Connecticut.
A
19　Will you be filing a
tax return for the
Q
20　State of New York for the year 2021?
21　No.
A
22　you previously provided to my
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
23　office tax returns for the years 2019 and 2020.
Are
24　those tax returns the same as the tax returns you
25　filed with the Internal Revenue Service in the State

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Ho Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022 of New York? THE INTERPRETER: Sorry, the date of what? MS. CLAIBORN: 2019 and 2020. THE INTERPRETER: Yes, I got that. What's the later part? A Q A MS. CLAIBORN: The State of New York. No, I filed them in Connecticut, 2020. Mr. Kwok -- I in (indiscernible) for 2019 and 2020. 2020 I filed in Connecticut. MR. BALDIGA: Holley, can we take a break soon? 42 MS. CLAIBORN: Unfortunately, I'm going to suggest that we can't really take a break because we only have the interpreter until 2:00. So if we do, it needs to be a very, very short one. MR. BALDIGA: Okay. Five minutes? MS. CLAIBORN: Yeah, let me just ask one question before we do that. Q Mr. Kwok, please confirm that the tax returns that you provided to the United States Trustee for the year 2020 and 2019 were the same as those filed with the taxing authorities? THE INTERPRETER: The what? Sorry, the last word.
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1　Authorities.
MS.
CLAIBORN:
2　Yes
Q
3　Could you please repeat?
INTERPRETER:
THE
4　Sorry.
5　can you please confirm that the
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
6　tax returns that you provided to the Office of the
7　United States Trustee for the tax years 2019 and
8　2020 are the same as those that you provided to the
9　Internal Revenue Service and to the State of
10　Connecticut and to the State of New York?
11　Yes.
A
12　in your 2020 tax return
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
13　want to clarify.
As you
MR.
BALDIGA:
I
14　there were very limited redactions as to
know,
15　Social Security number and maybe a
couple of data
16　points. I'm not sure if the witness knows what we
17　did by way of that data protection, but you do.
I
18　just wanted to not leave the record ambiguous in
19　that regard.
20　Thank you.
MS.
CLAIBORN:
21　your 2020 tax return reports
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
22　interest income only and no other source of income.
23　Did you have any other source of income in 2020?
24　No.
A
25　I'm going to take a
Okay.
MS.
CLAIBORN:

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Ho Wan Kwok -
1　It is now 12:30.
would like
very short break.
I
2　everyone to reconvene at 12:35. I'm not going to
3　I'm just going ask you to all
disconnect the call.
4　put your phones on hold.
5　We will reconvene at 12:35.
Thank you.
6　(Off the record.)
7　are back on the
Okay.
MS.
CLAIBORN:
We
8　record after a
short break.
9　would like to talk to you about
Mr.
Kwok,
I
Q
10　Golden Spring, New York.
11　you currently work for Golden Spring in
Do
12　any capacity?
13　No.
A
14　When was Golden Spring New York Limited
Q
15　formed?
16　Sorry?
INTERPRETER:
THE
17　When was Golden Spring New York Limited
Q
18　formed?
19　cannot get the
Sorry,
INTERPRETER:
I
THE
20　later half.
Golden New York what?
21　I'm going to actually just
MS.
CLAIBORN:
22　refer to it as Golden Spring.
do that I'm
When I
23　referring to Golden Spring New York.
24　When was Golden Spring formed as a
company?
Q
25　don't know.
I
A

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Ho Wan Kwok -
1　The address on the petition is 162 East 64th
Q
2　Street.
owns that property?
Who
3　can ask the question again.
I
4　The address for Golden Spring is listed as
5　162 East 64th Street in New York.
owns that
Who
6　property?
7　don't know.
I
A
8　What is the nature of that property at 162
Q
9　East 64th Street?
10　don't know which property you're talking
I
A
11　about.
12　The office of Golden Spring --
Q
13　I'm not sure that was --
MR.
BALDIGA:
14　just try again.
Let me
MS.
CLAIBORN:
15　The office of
16　translation issue.
There's a
BALDIGA:
MR.
17　Could we confer for one second because
18　obviously there's a misunderstanding.
So could Mr.
19　Kwok talk to his translator because that obviously
20　didn't come through.
21　just --
would prefer
Let me
MS.
CLAIBORN:
I
22　if I
try again.
try again, please.
Let me
23　The address for Golden Spring on the
Q
24　bankruptcy petition is listed as 162 East 64th
25　Street in New York.

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Ho Wan Kwok -
1　Is it 54 or 64?
5-4 or 6-
INTERPRETER:
THE
2　4?
3　64.
MS.
CLAIBORN:
4　So maybe because of the
INTERPRETER:
THE
5　mistook the 6 as 5 so let me
correct my
phone I
6　mistake and reinterpret again.
7　that's the address of Golden Spring.
Yes,
A
8　Does Golden Spring own that building that's
Q
9　located at that address?
10　don't know.
I
A
11　Have you ever been to that address?
Q
12　Yes.
A
13　What type of building is it?
What's located
Q
14　there?
15　It was a
building.
A
16　residential building or a
Is the building a
Q
17　commercial building?
18　Business building.
A
19　didn't hear
I'm sorry, Bin.
MS.
CLAIBORN:
I
20　your translation.
21　A commercial building or
INTERPRETER:
THE
22　business building.
23　Does anyone live at that address?
Q
24　don't know.
I
A
25　What type of business does Golden Spring do?
Q
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Ho Wan Kwok -
1　It's a
big family business my son works, but
A
2　don't know specifically what categories of
I
3　business it has.
4　when you used the term --
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
5　It is a
family office owned by my son.
He
A
6　don't know.
has other businesses, but I
7　when you use the term family
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
8　business or family office, what do you mean by those
9　terms?
10　It's mainly for the whole family,
all the
A
11　When there is something we
family members.
12　and help each other.
(indiscernible)
13　can you explain it in more detail?
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
14　don't know how to explain.
I
A
15　Does Golden Spring have any employees?
Q
16　Yes.
A
17　How many?
Q
18　don't know.
I
A
19　Does Golden Spring own any real estate?
Q
20　don't know.
I
A
21　Does Golden Spring own any other business?
Q
22　don't know.
I
A
23　Does Golden Spring have any bank accounts?
Q
24　don't know.
I
A
25　you have previously said in
Mr.
Kwok,
Q

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Ho Wan Kwok -
1　documents filed with the bankruptcy court that
2　Golden Spring pays for you personal living expenses.
3　Can you please explain how they do that?
4　don't know what you mean by they pay me.
I
A
5　In what regard?
6　you have previously told the court
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
7　in your bankruptcy documents that Golden Spring pays
8　for your clothing, your food and your housing.
9　My question is how do they do that?
they
Do
10　they pay other people directly?
give you money?
Do
11　How does it work?
12　need any expenses for my basic
Whenever I
A
13　talk to my son and he will tell his office
living I
14　to give to me.
15　are the owners of Golden Spring?
Who
Q
16　This is David Harbach.
HARBACH:
I
MR.
17　talk to my son
missed the end of that question.
I
18　and he --
that answer.
talk to my son and
heard I
I
19　lost it.
please have the
he and then I
Can I
20　English again?
21　didn't hear the
Sorry,
INTERPRETER:
I
THE
22　gentleman?
23　Harbach is asking Bin if
Mr.
MS.
CLAIBORN:
24　you could repeat the translation of Mr.
Kwok's
25　answer about how the money flows from Golden Spring.

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Ho Wan Kwok -
1　I'll repeat the
INTERPRETER:
THE
2　interpretation.
3　need expenses for my basic living I
When I
4　tell my son.
My son will tell the office to take
5　who are the owners of Golden
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
6　Spring?
7　My son.
A
8　Are there any owners of Golden Spring other
Q
9　than your son?
10　No.
A
11　have you ever owned an interest in
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
12　Golden Spring?
13　No.
A
14　are the officers and directors of Golden
Who
Q
15　Spring?
16　This is Bill Baldiga.
BALDIGA:
MR.
17　This is something for which there are very
18　serious physical security concerns and it's not that
19　if he knows.
the debtor would refuse to answer,
But
20　line like this where it's open to the
not on a
21　There are --
public and who else knows.
hold on.
22　just confer with the witness because
Can I
23　we'd like to give you as much as possible, but we
24　don't want to cause severe security issues.
25　just have one minute to confer
So could I

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Ho Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022 with the witness? MS. CLAIBORN: Yes. (Pause.) MR. BALDIGA: This is Bill Baldiga, again. The witness believes that he may know who the directors and officers are and is prepared to testify as to the best of his knowledge in that regard. And if we could take it one question at a time we'll go from there. 50 If you could interpret that, because I want to be sure that the witness understands what I just said as well, please. (Int e rp re tat ion) BY MS. CLAIBORN: Q Mr. Kwok, as of today, who are the officers of Golden Spring? A (Indiscernible) Q I'm going to repeat that name so everyone understands what I thought I heard. What I heard was Yan Ping, also known as Yvonne Wang. accurate? Yes. Is that A Q Is Yvonne Wang the only officer of Golden Spring? A I don't know. 83

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Ho Wan Kwok -
1　As of today, who are the directors of Golden
Q
2　Spring?
3　don't know.
I
A
4　have you ever been an officer or a
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
5　direct or Golden Spring?
6　don't remember.
I
A
7　who is Max Krazner?
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
8　don't know.
don't know.
I
I
A
9　Could you please repeat
INTERPRETER:
THE
10　the name again?
11　who is Max Krazner?
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
12　(No response)
13　can you please answer?
Mr.
Kwok,
14　I'm conferring with the
BALDIGA:
MR.
15　witness for one second.
Hold on please?
16　would rather
Baldiga,
Mr.
MS.
CLAIBORN:
I
17　he would answer the question before you make a
18　confer.
19　(Pause.)
20　Thank you for that
BALDIGA:
MR.
21　opportunity.
The witness could answer.
22　He has to double check with you because I
A
23　cannot read and cannot remember English names well.
24　If it's the name
So just the name,
you said Max.
25　But if you add another name to
Max only I
know Max.

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1　it, I'm not sure.
don't know.
I
2　Q　you know a Max with respect to Golden
Do
3　Spring?
4　A　Yes.
know.
I
5　Q　And what is Max's role with Golden Spring?
6　A　don't know.
I
7　Q　Well, how do you know Max?
8　A　don't remember.
I
9　Q　you know more than one person by the name
Do
10　of Max?
11　A　For me English name is very complicated.
12　Like I　can't remember the last name of my lawyer.　If
13　you add something else to Max,
don't know.
I
14　Q　the name Max Krazner is listed as
Mr.
Kwok,
15　the person to whom the mail for Golden Spring is
16　directed to.　you know why that is?
Do
17　Sorry?
INTERPRETER:
THE
18　Q　you know why that is?
Do
19　A　only remember there is a Max at Golden
I
20　Spring.　only know this one thing.
I
21　Q　And what is Max's job at Golden Spring?
22　A　I'm not sure what role.
(indiscernible)
I
23　know he is in charge of finance, but I'm not sure.
24　Q　What does he do for Golden Spring with
25　respect to finances?
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Ho Wan Kwok -
1　was not involved in the management so I
I
A
2　don't know.
3　does it
If Golden Spring gives you money,
Q
4　come through Max Krazner's efforts?
Does he help
5　make that happen?
6　He didn't give me money in
don't know.
I
A
7　person.
8　when you get money from Golden
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
9　Does it come in the
Spring how do you get money?
10　form of cash or something else?
11　(indiscernible)
From my son and
A
12　didn't
I'm sorry, Bin.
MS.
CLAIBORN:
I
13　Can you try that
understand your translation.
14　again?
15　He said from my son and
INTERPRETER:
THE
16　(indiscernible).
17　My question was how do you get money from
Q
18　Does it come in the form of cash or some
your son?
19　other form?
20　don't understand what you mean by how,
the
I
A
21　never get money directly from them.
word how.
I
22　If you don't get money directly from your
Q
23　son, how do you get the money from your son?
Where
24　does it go?
25　don't use credit
don't use cash and I
I
A

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1　Wan they just
cards.
(indiscernible)
My son and

2　It's impossible for me
pay my expenses for me.
to
3　don't have bank
get any cash from them. And also I
4　account.
Any bank accounts.
5　credit
do you have access to a
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
6　card that was taken out by Golden Spring?
7　This is Bill Baldiga. I'm
BALDIGA:
MR.
8　translation issue with
sorry.
think there was a
I
9　the prior question.
Could you give us a minute to
10　be sure that the witness understood the question
11　correctly?
Hold on for one second.
We're going to
12　put it on mute.
13　(Pause.)
14　The witness would like to
MR.
BALDIGA:
15　think it came through, but we're not
clarify. I
16　that Golden Spring does not give him cash, but
sure,
17　simply pays certain bills for his living expenses.
18　If that's what came through the translation, great.
19　If not, we clarify accordingly.
20　credit
do you have access to a
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
21　debit card provided to you by or through
card or a
22　Golden Spring?
23　No.
A
24　are you obligated to pay Golden
Mr.
Kwok,
Q
25　Spring back for the monies that it pays on your

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1　behalf for your living expenses?
2　No need.
No.
A
3　At this time I'd like to open
MS.
CLAIBORN:
4　the meeting to creditors, given that we have a
5　limited amount of time for today.
am not done with
I
6　all my questions.
7　We will need to reconvene on another day,
8　but for purposes of today's examination I'm now
9　going to open it up to creditors who may wish to
10　examine.
11　would ask that you identify yourself when
I
12　you speak and to be mindful of the need for
13　interpretation.
14　Just to clarify one thing for
MR.
BALDIGA:
15　You asked previously --
you referred to
the record.
16　the petition and asked whether anyone lived at 162
17　East 64th Street.
18　And as we told you informally when we filed
19　the petition there was great concern over the
20　debtor's physical security and so he used that
21　address, but has since, obviously,
corrected the
22　record that he lives in the Greenwich house that you
23　asked about earlier today.
24　just didn't want the record to be
And so I
25　confusing in that regard.
Thank you.
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1　Are there any creditors who
CLAIBORN:
MS.
2　wish to inquire or examine of the debtor?
3　This is David Harbach
Yes.
HARBACH:
MR.
4　for PACS.
do have some questions. We
do have
We
5　can start asking the questions
some questions.
We
6　now or if there are others who would like to ask
7　questions that's fine.
However you want to proceed.
8　obviously will not finish before 2 o'clock
But we
9　either.
10　cannot hear you clearly.
INTERPRETER:
I
THE
11　This is David Harbach for PACS
MR.
HARBACH:
12　was just saying that we do have some questions
and I
13　are happy to proceed and ask them or if the
and we
14　trustee would like. we can proceed with others
15　asking questions but we will certainly not finish
16　before 2 o'clock either.
17　Could that be translated
BALDIGA:
MR.
18　please?
19　was saying I
could not
INTERPRETER:
I
THE
20　get him completely.
21　do you have the
Harbach,
MS.
CLAIBORN:
Mr.
22　ability to pick up a hand held and speak into a hand
23　held device, as opposed to a
speaker phone?
24　but let me
Not at this moment,
MR.
HARBACH:
25　move to see if this is any better.
Can you hear me

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Ho Wan Kwok -
1　little better now?
a
2　Not really.
sorry.
No,
THE
INTERPRETER:
3　I'll tell
Not really.
Well,
HARBACH:
MR.
4　If you give me
take a moment,
you what.
can
I
5　try dialing in with a
Just give me
phone.
second,
a
6　okay?
7　Yes.
MS.
CLAIBORN:
8　Bin, could you translate the
MR.
BALDIGA:
9　please, so he knows that.
dialogue for Mr.
Kwok,
10　(Interpreter translates)
11　Hello?
MR.
HARBACH:
12　This is Holley
Hello.
MS.
CLAIBORN:
13　Claiborn.
14　This is David Harbach and I
MR.
HARBACH:
15　just wanted to know if you could hear me better.
16　Much better.
Bin,
can you
MS.
CLAIBORN:
17　hear Mr.
Harbach?
18　can hear him now.
Yes,
INTERPRETER:
I
THE
19　Thank you.
20　ahead, Mr.
Harbach.
MS.
CLAIBORN:
Go
21　I'll repeat what
said once
HARBACH:
I
MR.
22　more so that the interpreter can interpret it.
23　was just saying that
I'm David Harbach and I
24　PACS does have some questions we would like to ask,
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1　if Ms.
Claiborn would like to proceed with giving
2　other creditors an opportunity to ask questions
3　it's entirely up to her or we can start now.
today,
4　And this is Bill Baldiga. We
BALDIGA:
MR.
5　extended our own translator until 2 o'clock so we
6　certainly encourage whoever wants to ask questions
7　to use the time.
8　This is Jay Wolman.
I'm happy
MR.
WOLMAN:
9　to ask some questions now.
10　didn't get your
Sorry,
INTERPRETER:
I
THE
11　name.
12　represent
Jay Wolman,
and I
MR.
WOLMAN:
13　Logan Chang.
14　EXAMINATION BY MR.
WOLMAN:
15　Good afternoon, Mr.
Kwok.
Q
16　you remember that I
took your deposition
Do
17　about a
year ago?
18　have too many --
I
A
19　Someone's always talking
INTERPRETER:
THE
20　in the background.
21　don't
have too many depositions.
I
I
A
22　remember specifically.
23　That's all right. I
number of
asked you a
Q
24　questions and you invoked your rights under the
25　Fifth Amendment of the U.S.
Constitution.
you
Do

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Ho Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022 59 understand that? THE INTERPRETER: You and your wife what? Sorry. Q You invoked your right under the Fifth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. that? Do you remember MR. BALDIGA: We have a translation issue. Hold on for one second, please. (Pause.) MR. BALDIGA: I think -- our interpreter is hearing this translation. The question as we understand is do you remember having invoked the Fifth Amendment privilege at a prior deposition. That's what we are hearing. Could that be interpreter for Mr. Kwok in that way please? THE INTERPRETER: Sorry, I can I hear the question again. MR. WOLMAN: Sure. Q Do you remember at a prior deposition invoking the Fifth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution? THE INTERPRETER: Sorry, I did not hear you clearly. Q Do you remember at a prior deposition invoking the Fifth Amendment of the U.S.

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Ho Wan Kwok - March 21, 2022 60 Constitution? THE INTERPRETER: At a prior what? Sorry. MR. WOLMAN: Deposition. D-E-P-O-S-I-T-I-O-N. THE INTERPRETER: Deposition. Sorry, just one sec. (Pause.) THE INTERPRETER: Okay. In the prior deposition what? Q Do you remember invoking your Fifth Amendment rights? THE INTERPRETER: Invoking what? MR. WOLMAN: Can everybody else hear me or is it just the interpreter? MS. CLAIBORN: This is Holley. I can hear you. MR. HARBACH: This is David Harbach. We can hear you fine. MR. BALDIGA: The debtor can hear you. not a volume issue. It's MR. WOLMAN: Is it a diction issue? I can try to THE INTERPRETER: The interpreter just didn't get the word. (Indiscernible) rewording. MR. WOLMAN: I cannot reword that. I need

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24 25 MR. BALDIGA: Is the interpreter -- we're

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3 4 THE INTERPRETER: Yes, the interpreter is here now.

MR. BALDIGA: Okay. Thank you.

6 7 8 9 10 11 My client just said something and I don't know what he said and I don't know whether you were on for what he said. If you were, I'd like to know I'd like you to interpret it. If not, could you let us confer for a second so we could try to figure that out, because there was a lot of confusion.

12 13 MR. WOLMAN: Bill, can you just ask your client to repeat what he just said?

MR. BALDIGA: No
15 16 17 18 THE INTERPRETER: The interpreter would like him to repeat what he said because just now all of a sudden I'm not (indiscernible) sometimes. all the voices

19 20 I'm asking the gentleman to repeat what he said just now.

21 22 23 24 MR. KWOK: Just now in your question you mentioned that -- you asked me whether my wife used something under the law or under the Constitution. I don't remember that.

MR. WOLMAN: I said nothing about his wife.

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MR. KWOK: So did you say just now my wife

MR. WOLMAN: No, that was nothing of the

MR. BALDIGA: Could I suggest, Mr. Wolman,

MR. WOLMAN: Well, I'm going to re-ask him

every question relative to finances where he invoked

the Fifth and I wanted to make sure he had that in

maybe you could just go right to whatever you want

to ask him instead of what happened a year ago

because this is not getting anywhere.

his mind as he answers here today.
use any kind of law or what?
sort.
Is there a
question?
BALDIGA:
MR.

want to make sure you're
I
MR.
WOLMAN:

At this point,
have no idea, but I
I
am
representing to you that is exactly what I'm doing.
15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 aware of what I'm about to do. At this point, I have no idea, but I am representing to you that is exactly what I'm doing. So I want to make sure your client is appropriately advised. BY MR. WOLMAN: Q So a year ago -- this is a lengthy one, Bin, so please just write it down, or do what you need to do. Let me finish and then translate. that piecemeal. THE INTERPRETER: Okay. Do not do

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1　--
MR.
BALDIGA:
I
2　want the translation
Hold on.
MR.
I
WOLMAN:
3　of that and we'll take this in small pieces.
So
4　Bin, please translate that for the witness because
5　he has to hear everything.
6　(Translation.)
7　Yes.
INTERPRETER:
THE
8　Thank you.
MR.
WOLMAN:
9　BY MR.
WOLMAN:
10　asked you are you employed.
A year ago I
Q
11　have always been --
You answered I
12　asked you what? Sorry.
INTERPRETER:
I
THE
13　Are you employed?
Q
14　lot of background noise.
There's a
Can we
15　knock that off, please.
16　A year ago I
asked you are you employed?
17　You employed?
THE
INTERPRETER:
18　A year ago I
asked you are you employed?
Q
19　consultant for
have always been a
Your answer was I

21　Sorry.
A year ago I
asked
INTERPRETER:
THE
22　The answer is what?
you are you employed?
23　lot
have always been the consultant for a
I
Q
24　of companies --
25　I'm sorry --
INTERPRETER:
THE
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1　And my current employment is the --
am in
I
Q
2　the broadcasting and to take down the Chinese
3　It is a broadcasting revolution. I
Communist Party.
4　then asked you how much do you get paid for that.
5　I'm re-asking that question now.
How much
6　do you get paid for that?
7　have to do it from
INTERPRETER:
So I
THE
8　didn't get the words when
the beginning because I
9　asked you whether --
are you
year ago I
you say a
10　Your answer is I
didn't get the word
employed?
11　after is.
12　always been the consultant
Your answer was I
Q
13　lot of companies and my current employment is
for a
14　am in the broadcasting
the
he paused.
I
15　Is what?
Sorry?
INTERPRETER:
THE
16　--
and to take down --
Q
17　Sorry.
THE
INTERPRETER:
18　am in the broadcasting and to take down
I
Q
19　It is a broadcasting
the Chinese Communist Party.
20　revolution.
then asked you how much do you get
I
21　I'm not able to
Excuse me.
INTERPRETER:
THE

23　I'm not done.
Excuse me.
MR.
Why
WOLMAN:
24　not?
25　tried to clarify --
INTERPRETER:
I
THE

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1　Why not?
MR.
WOLMAN:
2　--
didn't
the words that I
THE
INTERPRETER:
3　know it's simple but it's too long.
get.
Yes,
I
I
4　(indiscernible)
long time to do the
such a
5　interpretation. I'm highly concentrating.
have a
I
6　human brain.
7　I'm used to translators writing
MR.
WOLMAN:
8　things down as they go.
9　Sorry about that.
INTERPRETER:
THE
10　Let me interpret what I
will
got and then I
11　ask you the rest.
Is that okay?
12　Yes.
MR.
WOLMAN:
13　Okay.
THE
INTERPRETER:
14　(Translation)
15　--
Okay.
THE
INTERPRETER:
I
16　then asked you how much do you get paid
I
Q
17　for that and I
am asking you now again, because you
18　invoked the Fifth, how much do you get paid for
19　that?
20　(Pause.)
21　The witness is
Okay.
BALDIGA:
MR.
22　struggling to --
is the question are you
well,
23　And you can answer that.
getting paid for that?
24　am literally asking him
No.
MR.
I
WOLMAN:
25　how much do you get paid for that. He
took the

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1　Fifth. I'm asking it now again.
2　How much do you get paid for that?
Q
3　No money at all.
A
4　asked you what is Golden Spring
A year ago I
Q
5　You answered it's a
then asked
New York.
company.
I
6　you and what is your
then asked you and what is
I
7　your relationship to that company and so I'm asking
8　What is your relationship to
that question again.
9　that company?
10　don't know what you mean by relationship.
I
A
11　If you didn't know what I
meant by that
Q
12　question, why did you invoke the Fifth last year?
13　Objection.
I'm not going to
MR.
BALDIGA:
14　allow the witness to describe the legal advice a
15　year ago as to the Fifth Amendment.
16　is prepared to answer whatever questions
He
17　bit by
you may have. You are confusing the witness a
18　in each question having three things, some reference
19　to the Fifth Amendment,
some conversation from a
20　question as to now.
year ago and a
21　But if you were to ask a more simple
22　think this would go much more
question,
I
23　productively.
That's your choice.
24　Your client is an
No.
MR.
WOLMAN:
25　intelligent person who is a
big businessman, who is

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1　trust he can handle these
sophisticated person.
a
I
2　simple questions.
3　Proceed as you'd like.
MR.
BALDIGA:
4　(Translation interrupted)
5　Last year I
asked you
Q
6　Wait.
Hold on.
Mr.
Wolman,
MR.
BALDIGA:
7　there's a
translation that needs to be done.
Please
8　The witness needs to understand what's
hold on.
9　being said.
10　(Translation)
11　ahead.
Okay.
INTERPRETER:
THE
Go
12　What is your relationship to Golden Spring?
Q
13　don't understand what you mean by your
I
A
14　don't know how to answer your question.
question?
I
15　you know what the word relationship
Do
Q
16　means?
17　Relationship means love of things in China.
A
18　It could be between husband and wife.
It could be
19　government relationship, a
financial
between a
20　relationship, money and it could be a
lot of things.
21　Is it a
don't know which one you mean?
So I
22　man/woman relationship or a money relationship or
23　what?
24　What is it? What is your
Any relationship?
Q
25　(indiscernible)

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1　What was your last
Sorry?
INTERPRETER:
THE
2　sentence again, because there was talking.
3　Any relationship, what is yours to Golden
Q
4　Spring?
5　Let me do the
INTERPRETER:
THE
6　interpretation first.
7　is he
Now the relationship is between
A
8　owe money to him.
He helps me.
lends me money.
I
9　And why does he do this?
Q
10　was once a member of the Guo
Because I
(ph)
A
11　family.
12　This is David Harbach.
Could
HARBACH:
MR.
13　you please repeat that English answer?
14　Because I
was once a
INTERPRETER:
THE
15　member of Guo family.
16　Does Golden Spring pay the expenses of any
Q
17　other member of the Guo family?
18　Yes.
A
19　Which other members of the Guo family?
Q
20　don't know.
I
A
21　A year ago I
asked you why does Golden
Q
22　for
Spring pay Mr.
Podhaskie,
P-O-D-H-A-S-K-I-E,
23　services rendered to you in your individual
24　capacity. I'm asking that again now.
Why does
25　Podhaskie for services
Golden Spring pay Mr.

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rendered to you in your individual capacity?
This is Bill Baldiga. I
MR.
BALDIGA:
understand that Mr.
Podhaskie may be a
lawyer.
I
just need to confer with the client to make sure he
I'll
doesn't disclose the substance of legal advice.
take one second to do that.
The question didn't indicate
MR.
WOLMAN:
any answer of that sort.
(Pause.)
I'm sorry. The witness could
BALDIGA:
MR.
answer the question.
don't know.
I
MR.
KWOK:
Have you ever asked anyone why they pay for
Q
him to advise you?
don't remember.
I
A
asked you last year why did Golden Spring
I
Q
New York pay that judgment on your behalf, and I
was
referring to the one my client, Mr.
held
Cheng,
against you.
I'm asking you again why did Golden Spring

20 21 22 23 24 25 New York pay that judgment on your behalf? A Q A them. It was money lended. Why did Golden Spring loan you that money? I don't have any thing so I borrowed from

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1　Q　Where did Golden Spring get the money from?
2　A　don't know.
I
3　Q　Where does Golden Spring get any money from?
4　A　don't know.
I
5　Q　correct?
Your son owns Golden Spring,
6　A　Yes.
7　Q　Does your son owe you any money?
8　A　No.
9　Q　How did your son get the money that funds
10　Golden Spring?
11　A　don't know.
I
12　Q　Did you ever provide your son with any seed
13　capital?
14　A　No.
15　Q　Have you ever invested in any of your son's
16　businesses?
17　A　No.
18　Q　When did Connecticut become your residence?
19　A　End of February or early March of 2020.
20　Q　And you're sure about that here?
Okay.
21　A　Yes.
22　Q　And was that your primary residence since
23　February, 2020 or March,
2020?
24　A　Yes.
25　Q　asked you if you owned any
A year ago I

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1　interest in Golden Spring New York.
am asking you
I
2　that again.
you own any interest in Golden
Do
3　Spring New York?
4　No.
A
5　asked you are you an officer of
A year ago I
Q
6　Golden Spring New York Limited.
I'm asking you
7　Are you an officer of Golden Spring New York
again.
8　Limited?
9　No.
A
10　A year ago I
asked you why would Golden
Q
11　Spring pay Attorney Aaron, meaning Aaron Mitchell,
12　on your behalf.
13　I'm asking you again, why would Golden
14　Spring pay Attorney Aaron Mitchell on your behalf?
15　to repeat the
He wants me
INTERPRETER:
THE
16　I'll do that for him.
interpretation.
17　A loan.
A loan or borrowed money.
A
18　Why did they make you that loan?
Q
19　have been borrowing from them all the time
I
A
20　was a member of the family.
because I
21　Did you ever have any of your loans from
Q
22　Golden Spring put in writing?
23　Some have,
some no.
A
24　Which ones have been put in writing?
Okay.
Q
25　don't remember.
I
A

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1　How many loans have you had from Golden
Q
2　Spring?
3　don't remember.
I
A
4　Were any of the loans that were put in
Q
5　writing in English?
6　don't remember.
I
A
7　Were any of them in Chinese?
Q
8　don't remember.
I
A
9　Did you ever pledge any security interest in
Q
10　exchange for any of these loans?
11　don't remember
(Indiscernible)
but I
A
12　(indiscernible).
13　Could you please repeat the
BALDIGA:
MR.
14　answer in English?
15　He said (indiscernible)
INTERPRETER:
THE
16　don't remember.
yes, but I
17　if you
If you don't remember how much --
Q
18　don't remember how many loans you took out, how are
19　you able to identify how much they --
you owe them
20　on your bankruptcy schedules?
21　didn't quite get you.
I
A
22　If you don't know how many times you took
Q
23　out loans from Golden Spring, not all of which were
24　in writing, how do you know how much you owe them?
25　My lawyer and the lawyer of Golden Spring
A

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1　they communicate with each other.
Tells me
the
2　amount they can define is 21 million.
3　So Golden Spring's lawyers helped prepare
Q
4　your bankruptcy petition?
Is that correct?
5　I'm sorry to interrupt.
MR.
BALDIGA:
6　two things.
( Indiscernible)
7　No.
A
8　So how did the information get from Golden
Q
9　Spring to your bankruptcy petition?
10　Objection to the question.
BALDIGA:
MR.
11　Sorry?
INTERPRETER:
THE
12　object to the question.
BALDIGA:
I
MR.
13　I'm just trying to figure out
MR.
WOLMAN:
14　how this information he doesn't know wound up in his
15　bankruptcy petition?
16　think you heard the answer
BALDIGA:
I
MR.
17　that his lawyer and Golden Spring's lawyer discussed
18　it.
you have another question?
Do
19　How did you know that number was
Yes.
Q
20　right?
21　Let the interpreter go
Okay.
BALDIGA:
MR.
22　first and then ask another question, please.
23　ahead.
Okay.
INTERPRETER:
Go
THE
24　How did you know that number was right?
Q
25　Number of what?
Sorry?
INTERPRETER:
THE

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1　The number that was put into your bankruptcy
Q
2　petition for what you purportedly owe to Golden
3　Spring, how did you know that was right?
4　believe the professionalism of my lawyers.
I
A
5　They will review and check all the figures.
6　This is Holley --
MS.
CLAIBORN:
7　you know the documents that were
Do
Q
8　reviewed?
9　apologize for interrupting.
MS.
CLAIBORN:
I
10　It's now 2 o'clock.
BALDIGA:
MR.
11　apologize for interrupting.
MS.
CLAIBORN:
I
12　It's Holley Claiborn.
13　thank you for
Yes,
MR.
WOLMAN:
14　Appreciate it.
filibustering to use up the time.
15　I'm sorry. Who was that
BALDIGA:
MR.
16　That's quite an inappropriate
addressed to?
17　comment.
18　addressing
That was me
You.
MR.
WOLMAN:
19　that to you.
20　I'd like to talk about --
MS.
CLAIBORN:
21　Okay
BALDIGA:
MR.
22　--
the next date.
was
MS.
CLAIBORN:
I
23　going to suggest that we reconvene April 4th at
24　in person at the U.S.
Trustee's Office in
10:00 a.m.
25　New Haven.
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1　We'll look at schedules.
can
Mr.
BALDIGA:
I
2　start to do that if you give me
second.
a
3　could you please
Bin,
MS.
CLAIBORN:
4　translate that?
5　will double check with
INTERPRETER:
I
THE
6　you whether you still need me on the line for a
7　to log off?
second or you want me
8　If you can continue on just
MS.
CLAIBORN:
9　for a
need to pick a
new date,
second.
so I
need
We
10　you to translate that so the debtor understands.
11　Okay.
INTERPRETER:
THE
12　I'm sorry.
Was the request
BALDIGA:
MR.
13　Was the request --
I'm just trying to
I'm sorry.
14　heard it --
April 4 at 10 o'clock in
make sure I
15　Bridgeport?
16　10 o'clock in New
April 4,
MS.
CLAIBORN:
17　Haven at the U.S.
Trustee's Office.
18　We'll be back to you
Okay.
BALDIGA:
MR.
19　very quick on that.
20　actually need an answer on
MS.
CLAIBORN:
I
21　that right now because we need to be able to notify
22　creditors and I
want everyone to know before we
23　conclude today.
24　I'll put you on hold.
Okay.
MR.
BALDIGA:
25　this is David
Claiborn,
Ms.
HARBACH:
MR.

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1　I'm afraid that that day will not work for
Harbach.
2　us?
3　is that you?
Harbach,
Mr.
MS.
CLAIBORN:
4　was just
Yes,
ma'am.
And I
HARBACH:
MR.
5　about to say that I
the 6th,
or
can do Wednesday,
6　any day after that.
cannot do the 4th or the
But I
7　5th.
8　How about Friday, April 8th?
MS.
CLAIBORN:
9　This is David.
can do that.
MR.
HARBACH:
I
10　can do that.
I
11　This is Jay Wolman.
can do
MR.
I
WOLMAN:
12　that.
13　Attorney Baldiga, can you
MS.
CLAIBORN:
14　check on April 8th, please?
15　(Pause.)
16　this is Dave Harbach
Holley,
HARBACH:
MR.
17　Just anticipating that they're coming back
again.
18　could also do it (indiscernible)
(indiscernible).
I
19　for whatever it's worth.
could also do it on the
I
20　if that's better.
29 or 30 of March as well,
28th,
21　This is Bill Baldiga.
The 7th
BALDIGA:
MR.
22　and 8th are Buddhist holidays so for religious
23　Kwok can't do it those days.
We'll
reasons Mr.
24　clear the 4th.
I'm sure there are some
25　(indiscernible). I'm wondering who could make it.

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1　who is in the middle of questioning.
2　All right. We'll keep looking
MR.
BALDIGA:
3　then.
4　Does April 6th work?
MS.
CLAIBORN:
5　What was that date?
MR.
WOLMAN:
6　April 6th?
MS.
CLAIBORN:
7　This is David Harbach.
can
MR.
HARBACH:
I
8　do April 6th.
9　The debtor can as well.
BALDIGA:
MR.
10　As can I.
UNIDENTIFIED:
11　I'm going to mark April
Okay.
MS.
CLAIBORN:
12　It's in person.
Trustee's
6th 10:00 a.m.
The U.S.
13　Office in New Haven.
14　Please allow for time to go through
15　security. I'd like to start at 10:00.
16　ask how much time
Could I
MR.
BALDIGA:
17　would you reserve on that day,
including with the
18　interpreter, just so we can plan?
19　think you should plan for
MS.
CLAIBORN:
I
20　will have to follow up and get
the whole day but I
21　an understanding about an interpreter and I
don't
22　have that at my fingertips right now.
23　Would that be 5
Okay.
MR.
BALDIGA:
24　o'clock?
25　guess we can go off the record as we
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Ho Wan Kwok -
1　It's up to you,
finish this.
obviously.
2　think we're
Okay.
MS.
CLAIBORN:
I
3　concluded for purposes of Bin's translation services
4　for today.
5　Thank you.
INTERPRETER:
THE
6　Thank you very much,
Bin.
MS.
CLAIBORN:
7　nice day.
Have a
THE
INTERPRETER:
8　Thank you.
MS.
CLAIBORN:
9　I'm going to stop the recording, but we can
10　stay on the line.
I'm going to stop the recording.
11　Thank you.
12　(Meeting adjourned.)

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1　INDEX

3　HO WAN KWOK　Page
4　Claiborn
Examination by Ms.　14
5　Examination by Mr. Wolman　58