--- type: court_doc id: "court_ctb_440_26" court: "CTB" case_no: "22-50073" doc_number: 440 doc_type: "ORDER" filed_date: "2022-05-25" lang: "en" machine_translated: false url: "https://mubeitech.com/en/court/court_ctb_440_26" json_url: "https://mubeitech.com/api/court/court_ctb_440_26" --- # Guo Wengui / Miles Guo — bankruptcy case · ORDER · ECF #440-26 EXHIBIT PAX 28 Declaration of Laura Aronsson in Further Support of PAX's Motion to Dismiss Chapter 11 Case or, in the Alternative, Partial Joinder to United States Trustee's Motion for an Order Directing the Appointment of a Chapter 11 Trustee 22-50073 Ho Wan Kwok IN RE: PAX　28 5/25/2022 Admitted in Full P.E. UNITED STATES BANKRUPTCY COURT DISTRICT OF CONNECTICUT BRIDGEPORT DIVISION In re: Chapter 11 Case No. HO WAN KWOK1 22-50073 (JAM) Debtor. May 20, 2022 **DECLARATION OF LAURA S. ARONSSON IN FURTHER SUPPORT OF PACIFIC ALLIANCE ASIA OPPORTUNITY FUND L.P.'S MOTION TO DISMISS CHAPTER 11 CASE OR, IN THE ALTERNATIVE, PARTIAL JOINDER TO UNITED STATES TRUSTEE'S MOTION FOR AN ORDER DIRECTING THE APPOINTMENT OF A CHAPTER 11 TRUSTEE** I, Laura S. Aronsson, declare: 1. I am an attorney admitted to practice law in the States of New York and California and am Counsel at the law firm of O'Melveny & Myers, 7 Times Square, New York, NY 10036, counsel for Pacific Alliance Asia Opportunity Fund L.P. ("PAX"). I respectfully submit this Declaration in support of PAX's Motion to Dismiss Chapter 11 Case, or in the Alternative, Partial Joinder to United States Trustee ("Motion to Dismiss") [ECF 183]. 2. In connection with these proceedings, PAX served discovery requests on several parties, including Golden Spring (New York) Limited ("Golden Spring") and Lamp Capital LLC ("Lamp Capital"). As relevant here, PAX sought documents and communications relating to the Debtor's Motion for Entry of Interim and Final DIP Orders (I) Authorizing the Debtor to Obtain Unsecured, Subordinated Postpetition Financing and (II) Scheduling Interim and Final Hearings, and (III) Granting Related Relief (the "DIP Motion") [ECF No. 117] and other litigation loans on 1 The last four digits of the Debtor's taxpayer identification number are 9595. behalf of Kwok.2 3. On March 29, 2022, PAX served document requests on Golden Spring seeking, among other things, "[a]ll Documents and Communications relating to Golden Spring's funding of any litigation in which the Debtor is a party." 3 4. Also on March 29, 2022, PAX served document requests on Lamp Capital seeking, among other things, "[a]ll Documents and Communications relating to any actual or contemplated transactions, transfers, distributions, or conveyances (including without limitation payments, loans, benefits, gifts, compensation, and income) made by Lamp Capital to, at the direction of, or for the benefit of the Debtor."4 5. In response to PAX's requests, Golden Spring made productions on April 8, 2022 and April 11, 2022, totaling approximately 25 documents. Counsel for PAX reviewed all documents Golden Spring produced, and Golden Spring did not produce any loan agreements between Golden Spring and the Debtor. 6. Lamp made productions on April 8, 2022 and May 9, 2022, totaling five pages. Counsel for PAX reviewed all documents Lamp Capital produced, and Lamp Capital did not produce any loan agreements between Lamp Capital and the Debtor. 7. On April 12, 2022, PAX deposed Golden Spring's Rule 30(b)(6) designee, Yanping Wang, in connection with the DIP Motion. At her deposition, Ms. Wang testified that she signed the debtor-in-possession financing loan agreement on behalf of Golden Spring and 2 See Debtor's Schedule F, ECF 78 (\$1,000,000 "litigation loan" from Lamp Capital LLC); id. (listing \$21 million "litigation funding" from Golden Spring). 3 See Request 1h, PAX's First Request for Production of Documents Directed to Golden Spring (New York) Limited dated March 29, 2022, attached hereto as Exhibit A. 4 See Request 1d, PAX's First Request for Production of Documents Directed to Lamp Capital LLC dated March 29, 2022, attached hereto as Exhibit B. had it in her possession. 5 She also testified that she possessed documents and notes concerning litigation loans from Golden Spring to Kwok that totaled approximately \$21 million.6 8. During Ms. Wang's deposition, PAX requested that Golden Spring promptly produce the documents Ms. Wang referenced, 7 but PAX never received them. Dated: May 20, 2022 New York, NY Respectfully submitted, /s/ Laura S. Aronsson Laura S. Aronsson laronsson@omm.com O'MELVENY & MYERS LLP 7 Times Square New York, NY 10036 Telephone: (212) 728-5841 Attorney for Pacific Alliance Asia Opportunity Fund L.P. 5 April 12, 2022 Dep. Tr. of Golden Spring Rule 30(b)(6) Corporate Representative Yanping Wang ("Wang Dep. Tr."), attached hereto as Exhibit C, at 185:8-17; 207:14-23. 6 Wang Dep. Tr. 185:8-17; 207:14-23. 7 Wang Dep. Tr. 185:8-17; 207:14-23. Exhibit A UNITED STATES BANKRUPTCY COURT DISTRICT OF CONNECTICUT BRIDGEPORT DIVISION ------------------------------------------------------------ x In re: Ho Wan Kwok, Chapter 11 Case No. 22-50073 (JAM) Debtor. : ------------------------------------------------------------ x PACIFIC ALLIANCE ASIA OPPORTUNITY FUND L.P.'S FIRST REQUEST FOR PRODUCTION OF DOCUMENTS DIRECTED TO GOLDEN SPRING (NEW YORK) LIMITED In response to the relief sought in the Debtor's *Motion for Entry of Interim and Final DIP Orders (I) Authorizing the Debtor to Obtain Unsecured, Subordinated Postpetition Financing and (II) Scheduling Interim and Final Hearings, and (III) Granting Related Relief* [ECF 117] (the "Debtor's DIP Motion"), Pacific Alliance Asia Opportunity Fund L.P. ("PAX") hereby requests the production of documents (the "Document Request") by Friday, April 1, 2022, and that the request be answered or responded to in writing by Golden Spring (New York) Limited ("Golden Spring") by Thursday, March 31, 2022. DEFINITIONS - a. "Bankruptcy Code" means Title 11 of the United States Code. - b. "Communication" means the transmittal of information (in the form of facts, ideas, inquiries, or otherwise) and/or any other communicative contact between two or more Persons and/or entities, and shall include, without limitation: written contacts by such means as any Document as defined herein, and oral contact by such means as face-to-face or in-person meetings, telephone conversation, e-mail, and any other form of electronic communication such as telecopy transmissions, telexes, telegrams, and video Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 7 of 280 transmissions, and the originals, drafts, copies, and all non-identical copies of all Documents. - c. "Debtor" refers to Miles Kwok a/k/a Kwok Ho Wan, a/k/a Kwok Ho, a/k/a Gwo Wen Gui, a/k/a Guo Wengui, a/k/a Guo Wen-Gui, a/k/a Wan Gue Haoyun, a/k/a Haoyun Guo. - d. The "Debtor's DIP Motion" refers to the Debtor's Motion for Entry of Interim and Final DIP Orders (I) Authorizing the Debtor to Obtain Unsecured, Subordinated Postpetition Financing and (II) Scheduling Interim and Final Hearings, and (III) Granting Related Relief filed by the Debtor on March 22, 2022 [ECF 117]. - e. The "Debtors' Proposed DIP Facility" refers to the debtor in possession financing proposed in the Debtors' Motion for Entry of Interim and Final DIP Orders (I) Authorizing the Debtor to Obtain Unsecured, Subordinated Postpetition Financing and (II) Scheduling Interim and Final Hearings, and (III) Granting Related Relief [ECF 117]. - f. The "Debtor's Schedules" refers to Debtor's bankruptcy Schedules AB, C, D, EF, G, H, I, and J, filed by the Debtor on March 9, 2022 [ECF 78]. - g. The "Debtor's Voluntary Bankruptcy Petition" refers to the Chapter 11 Voluntary Petition filed by the Debtor on February 15, 2022 [ECF 1]. - h. The "DIP Loan Agreement" refers to the Debtor-in-Possession Credit Agreement between Debtor and Golden Spring, filed as Exhibit C to Debtor's Motion for Entry of Interim and Final DIP Orders (I) Authorizing the Debtor to Obtain Unsecured, Subordinated Postpetition Financing and (II) Scheduling Interim and Final Hearings, and (III) Granting Related Relief [ECF 117]. - i. "Director," "officers," "member," "partner," "limited partner" or "agent" means any individual or entity serving as such presently or who served in such capacity at any relevant time, even though no longer serving in such capacity. - j. "Document" as used herein shall mean the original and all drafts and all copies, including copies with notations or marks not found on the original, of any writing or printed, graphic or electronic materials of any nature whatsoever, including, but not limited to, records, reports, memoranda, notes, calendar or diary entries, letters, envelopes, telegrams, telexes, e-mails, electronic mail messages, computer files, computerized records, telephone bills, checks, other written communications, messages (including, but not limited to, reports of telephone conversations and conferences), studies, summaries, tabulations, analyses, printed matter, minutes, photographs, tapes, tape recordings, correspondence, computer stored information, financial statements, worksheets, other communications, contracts, agreements, promissory notes, loan agreements, security agreements, guaranties, pledges, deeds of trust, mortgages, security interests filings, loan documents, other official documents and legal instruments, journals, manuals, technical releases, employment applications, agreements, orders, statements, checks, bank account statements, loan account statements, bills, invoices, receipts, vouchers, notebooks, data sheets and records kept or maintained by any means including electronically or by computer. In all cases where originals and/or non-identical copies are not available, the term "Document" also means identical copies of original documents and copies of non-identical copies. - k. "Document Request" refers to this First Request for Production of Documents directed to Golden Spring New York Limited. - l. "Golden Spring" or "You" refers to Golden Spring (New York) Limited. m. "Identify" means i. as to a person (as defined): name, business and residence address(es), occupation, job title, and dates so employed; and, if not an individual, state the type of entity and the address of its principal place of business. ii. as to a document: the type of document (letter, memo. etc.), the identity of the author or originator, the date authored or originated, the identity of each person to whom the original or copy was addressed or delivered, the identity of such person known or reasonably believed by you to have present possession, custody, or control thereof, and a brief description of the subject matter thereof, all with sufficient particularity to request its production under Rule 34 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure. iii. as to a communication: the date of the communication, the type of communication (telephone conversation, meeting, etc.), the place where the communication took place, the identity of the person who made the communication, the identity of each person who received the communication, and of each person present when it was made, and the subject matter discussed. iv. as to a meeting: the date of the meeting, the place of the meeting, each person invited to attend, each person who attended, and the subject matter discussed. - n. "Including" means including, but not limited to. - o. "Or" means "and/or" and is used in the inclusive sense. - p. "Person" includes natural persons, as well as corporations, proprietorships, limited liability companies, partnerships, joint ventures, associations, combinations, unions, governmental bodies and agencies, and any and all other entities. - q. The "Petition Date" means February 15, 2022. - r. "Referring to" as used herein shall mean commenting on, responding to, mentioning, containing, constituting, showing, memorializing, describing, analyzing, reflecting, pertaining to, identifying, or discussing. - s. "Relating to" as used herein shall mean concerning, being connected to, commenting on, responding to, containing, constituting, showing, memorializing, describing, analyzing, reflecting, pertaining to, compromising, identifying, discussing or otherwise establishing reasonable, logical or causal connection to. INSTRUCTIONS - t. This Document Request is propounded in response to the Debtor's Motion for Entry of Interim and Final DIP Orders (I) Authorizing the Debtor to Obtain Unsecured, Subordinated Postpetition Financing and (II) Scheduling Interim and Final Hearings, and (III) Granting Related Relief [ECF 117]. - a. Each response to each separately numbered Document Request is to be set forth separately. Document Requests should not be combined for the purpose of supplying a common response, but responses may be supplied by reference to the response to another Document Request. - b. This Document Request is continuing in character so as to require Golden Spring to make supplementary production of Documents if they obtain further or different information or Documents. - c. Where a Document Request cannot be answered to in full, state why and furnish all available information. If any Document responsive to a request has been lost, discarded, destroyed or is otherwise unavailable identify the Document as completely as possible, including if the Document has been lost, the last known location of the Document and the Person who had last possession, custody, access or control over the Document, or, if the Document has been discarded or destroyed, the date of such action, the Person authorizing such action, the Person actually destroying or disposing of the Document and the reason for the destruction or disposal of the Document. - d. Production of Documents pursuant to the Document Request must include all Documents available to Golden Spring and Golden Spring's members, agents, attorneys, investment bankers, consultants, accountants, insurers or others who have Documents available to it upon inquiry of them. - e. If Golden Spring does not have any Documents in its possession, custody, access or control that are responsive to a particular Document Request, Golden Spring's response to that Document Request should indicate unambiguously that they do not have any Documents responsive to the Document Request, or that there are not any Documents responsive to that Document Request. - f. Where knowledge, information, or Documents in the possession of a party or entity is requested, such Document Request includes any knowledge, information, or Documents of Golden Spring's members, agents, representatives, accountants, advisors, investment bankers, employees, and, unless privileged, its attorneys. - g. Where the name or identity of a Person is requested, state the Person's full name, home address, business address, home telephone number and business telephone number and include the Person's title or occupation and each of the positions held by such Person during the applicable time covered by any answer referring to such Persons. - h. Where the identity of a Document is requested, state the date of the Document, its author and addressee, the present location and custodian of said Document and give a description of the general contents of the Document. - i. Where the identity of a Communication is requested, identify the Person generating the Communication, the recipient of the Communication, the date and location of the Communication, and give a description of the general contents of the Communication. Also, identify all Persons present when the Communication was made. - j. The plural of any word shall include the singular form of that word and vice versa. - k. The masculine form of a word shall include the feminine form of that word and vice versa. - l. The use of the past tense includes the present tense and the use of the present tense includes the past tenses so as to make each request inclusive rather than exclusive. - m. If a privilege is claimed with respect to any Document Request, state the nature of the privilege claimed, basis for the claim, and for Documents, a summary of the Documents' contents, their location and custodian and the identity of Persons having access or having had access to such Documents. - n. If You do not produce any Document because of a claim of privilege, set forth the privilege claimed, the facts upon which You rely to support the claim of privilege, and identify all documents for which such privilege is claimed. - o. Unless otherwise agreed by both PAX and Golden Spring, the production of documents shall be made at the offices of O'Melveny & Myers LLP, Times Square Tower, 7 Times Square, New York, New York 10036, on Friday, April 1, 2022. - p. Unless otherwise specified, this Document Request seeks all Documents from February 10, 2022 to the date of this Document Request. REQUEST FOR PRODUCTION OF DOCUMENTS 1. PAX demands that Golden Spring produce at the date and location stated above, or at a time and location mutually agreeable to the parties, all (whether in hard copy or digital) books, records, communications, (including, but not limited to, e-mail, text message, electronic messaging, mail, fax and the like), and papers as follows: a. All Documents and Communications relating to the DIP Loan Agreement. b. All Documents relied upon by Golden Spring when negotiating and executing the DIP Loan Agreement. c. All Documents and Communications with the Debtor or any of the Debtor's agents relating to the Debtor's Voluntary Bankruptcy Petition. d. All Documents and Communications relating to any actual or contemplated transactions, transfers, distributions, or conveyances (including without limitation payments, loans, benefits, gifts, compensation, and income) made by Golden Spring to, at the direction of, or for the benefit of the Debtor. e. All Documents and Communications relating to any security interest pledged by the Debtor to Golden Spring. f. All Documents and Communications relating to the anticipated sources of repayment of the DIP Loan Agreement. g. All Documents and Communications relating to the anticipated use of the proceeds of the DIP Loan Agreement. h. All Documents and Communications relating to Golden Spring's funding of any litigation in which the Debtor is a party. i. Documents sufficient to identify ownership of Golden Spring. j. Documents sufficient to identify all employees, officers and directors of Golden Spring. k. Documents sufficient to identify the source of any funds being used to fund the DIP Loan Agreement. Dated: March 29, 2022 New York, New York > /s/ Peter Friedman O'MELVENY & MYERS LLP Peter Friedman (pfriedman@omm.com) Stuart Sarnoff (ssarnoff@omm.com) Times Square Tower 7 Times Square New York, New York 10036 Telephone: (212) 326-2000 Attorneys for Pacific Alliance Asia Opportunity Fund L.P. Exhibit B UNITED STATES BANKRUPTCY COURT DISTRICT OF CONNECTICUT BRIDGEPORT DIVISION ------------------------------------------------------------ x In re: : : : Ho Wan Kwok, Chapter 11 Case No. 22-50073 (JAM) Debtor. : ------------------------------------------------------------ x PACIFIC ALLIANCE ASIA OPPORTUNITY FUND L.P.'S FIRST REQUEST FOR PRODUCTION OF DOCUMENTS DIRECTED TO LAMP CAPITAL LLC In connection with Pacific Alliance Asia Opportunity Fund L.P.'s Motion to Dismiss : : Chapter 11 Case or, in the Alternative, Partial Joinder to United States Trustee's Motion for an Order Directing the Appointment of a Chapter 11 Trustee [ECF 183] (the "Motion to Dismiss"), Pacific Alliance Asia Opportunity Fund L.P. ("PAX") hereby requests the production of documents (the "Document Request"), and that the request be answered or responded to in writing by Lamp Capital LLC ("Lamp Capital"), by Monday, May 2, 2022. DEFINITIONS - a. "Bankruptcy Code" means Title 11 of the United States Code. - b. The "Chapter 11 Proceedings" means In re Ho Wan Kwok, Case No. 22-50073 (Bankr. D. Conn.) - c. "Communication" means the transmittal of information (in the form of facts, ideas, inquiries, or otherwise) and/or any other communicative contact between two or more Persons and/or entities, and shall include, without limitation: written contacts by such means as any Document as defined herein, and oral contact by such means as face-to-face or in-person meetings, telephone conversation, e-mail, and any other form of electronic Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 17 of 280 communication such as telecopy transmissions, telexes, telegrams, and video transmissions, and the originals, drafts, copies, and all non-identical copies of all Documents. - d. "Debtor" refers to Miles Kwok a/k/a Kwok Ho Wan, a/k/a Kwok Ho, a/k/a Gwo Wen Gui, a/k/a Guo Wengui, a/k/a Guo Wen-Gui, a/k/a Wan Gue Haoyun, a/k/a Haoyun Guo. - e. "Director," "officers," "member," "partner," "limited partner" or "agent" means any individual or entity serving as such presently or who served in such capacity at any relevant time, even though no longer serving in such capacity. - f. "Document" as used herein shall mean the original and all drafts and all copies, including copies with notations or marks not found on the original, of any writing or printed, graphic or electronic materials of any nature whatsoever, including, but not limited to, records, reports, memoranda, notes, calendar or diary entries, letters, envelopes, telegrams, telexes, e-mails, electronic mail messages, computer files, computerized records, telephone bills, checks, other written communications, messages (including, but not limited to, reports of telephone conversations and conferences), studies, summaries, tabulations, analyses, printed matter, minutes, photographs, tapes, tape recordings, correspondence, computer stored information, financial statements, worksheets, other communications, contracts, agreements, promissory notes, loan agreements, security agreements, guaranties, pledges, deeds of trust, mortgages, security interests filings, loan documents, other official documents and legal instruments, journals, manuals, technical releases, employment applications, agreements, orders, statements, checks, bank account statements, loan account statements, bills, invoices, receipts, vouchers, notebooks, data sheets and records kept or maintained by any means including electronically or by computer. In all cases where originals and/or non-identical copies are not available, the term "Document" also means identical copies of original documents and copies of nonidentical copies. - g. "Document Request" refers to this First Request for Production of Documents directed to Lamp Capital. - h. "Identify" means - i. as to a person (as defined): name, business and residence address(es), occupation, job title, and dates so employed; and, if not an individual, state the type of entity and the address of its principal place of business. - ii. as to a document: the type of document (letter, memo. etc.), the identity of the author or originator, the date authored or originated, the identity of each person to whom the original or copy was addressed or delivered, the identity of such person known or reasonably believed by you to have present possession, custody, or control thereof, and a brief description of the subject matter thereof, all with sufficient particularity to request its production under Rule 34 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure. - iii. as to a communication: the date of the communication, the type of communication (telephone conversation, meeting, etc.), the place where the communication took place, the identity of the person who made the communication, the identity of each person who received the communication, and of each person present when it was made, and the subject matter discussed. - iv. as to a meeting: the date of the meeting, the place of the meeting, each person invited to attend, each person who attended, and the subject matter discussed. - i. "Including" means including, but not limited to. - j. "Lamp Capital", "You", and "Your" means Lamp Capital LLC and each of its members, directors, officers, employees, agents, representatives and advisors. - k. "Or" means "and/or" and is used in the inclusive sense. - l. "Person" includes natural persons, as well as corporations, proprietorships, limited liability companies, partnerships, joint ventures, associations, combinations, unions, governmental bodies and agencies, and any and all other entities. - m. "Proposed Plan of Reorganization" refers to The Proposed Chapter 11 Plan of Ho Wan Kwok [ECF 197]. - n. "Relating to" as used herein shall mean concerning, being connected to, commenting on, responding to, containing, constituting, showing, memorializing, describing, analyzing, reflecting, pertaining to, compromising, identifying, discussing or otherwise establishing reasonable, logical or causal connection to. - o. The "Sherry Netherland" refers to Unit 1801 of the Sherry-Netherland Hotel, located at 781 5th Avenue, New York, New York, 10022, including the corresponding ownership interest in shares of The Sherry-Netherland and the assignment of the proprietary lease agreement for Unit 1801. INSTRUCTIONS - a. This Document Request is propounded in furtherance of Pacific Alliance Asia Opportunity Fund L.P.'s *Motion to Dismiss Chapter 11 Case or, in the Alternative, Partial Joinder to United States Trustee's Motion for an Order Directing the Appointment of a Chapter 11 Trustee* [ECF 183]. - b. Each response to each separately numbered Document Request is to be set forth separately. Document Requests should not be combined for the purpose of supplying a common response, but responses may be supplied by reference to the response to another Document Request. - c. This Document Request is continuing in character so as to require Lamp Capital to make supplementary production of Documents if they obtain further or different information or Documents. - d. Where a Document Request cannot be answered to in full, state why and furnish all available information. If any Document responsive to a request has been lost, discarded, destroyed or is otherwise unavailable identify the Document as completely as possible, including if the Document has been lost, the last known location of the Document and the Person who had last possession, custody, access or control over the Document, or, if the Document has been discarded or destroyed, the date of such action, the Person authorizing such action, the Person actually destroying or disposing of the Document and the reason for the destruction or disposal of the Document. - e. Production of Documents pursuant to the Document Request must include all Documents available to Lamp Capital and Lamp Capital's members, agents, attorneys, investment bankers, consultants, accountants, insurers or others who have Documents available to it upon inquiry of them. - f. If Lamp Capital does not have any Documents in its possession, custody, access or control that are responsive to a particular Document Request, Lamp Capital's response to that Document Request should indicate unambiguously that they do not have any Documents responsive to the Document Request, or that there are not any Documents responsive to that Document Request. - g. Where knowledge, information, or Documents in the possession of a party or entity is requested, such Document Request includes any knowledge, information, or Documents of Lamp Capital's members, agents, representatives, accountants, advisors, investment bankers, employees, and, unless privileged, its attorneys. - h. Where the name or identity of a Person is requested, state the Person's full name, home address, business address, home telephone number and business telephone number and include the Person's title or occupation and each of the positions held by such Person during the applicable time covered by any answer referring to such Persons. - i. Where the identity of a Document is requested, state the date of the Document, its author and addressee, the present location and custodian of said Document and give a description of the general contents of the Document. - j. Where the identity of a Communication is requested, identify the Person generating the Communication, the recipient of the Communication, the date and location of the Communication, and give a description of the general contents of the Communication. Also, identify all Persons present when the Communication was made. - k. The plural of any word shall include the singular form of that word and vice versa. - l. The masculine form of a word shall include the feminine form of that word and vice versa. - m. The use of the past tense includes the present tense and the use of the present tense includes the past tenses so as to make each request inclusive rather than exclusive. - n. If a privilege is claimed with respect to any Document Request, state the nature of the privilege claimed, basis for the claim, and for Documents, a summary of the Documents' contents, their location and custodian and the identity of Persons having access or having had access to such Documents. - o. If You do not produce any Document because of a claim of privilege, set forth the privilege claimed, the facts upon which You rely to support the claim of privilege, and identify all documents for which such privilege is claimed. - p. Unless otherwise agreed by both PAX and Lamp Capital, the production of documents shall be made at the offices of O'Melveny & Myers LLP, Times Square Tower, 7 Times Square, New York, New York 10036, on May 2, 2022 at 12:00pm. - q. Unless otherwise specified, this Document Request seeks all Documents from January 1, 2014 to the date of this Document Request. REQUEST FOR PRODUCTION OF DOCUMENTS 1. PAX demands that Lamp Capital produce at the date and location stated above, or at a time and location mutually agreeable to the parties, all (whether in hard copy or digital) books, records, communications, (including, but not limited to, e-mail, text message, electronic messaging, mail, fax and the like), and papers as follows: a. Documents sufficient to identify ownership of Lamp Capital. b. All Documents and Communications relating to the initial funding of Lamp Capital. c. All Documents and Communications relating to any payments made in connection with the Sherry Netherland from January 1, 2015 until the present. d. All Documents and Communications relating to any actual or contemplated transactions, transfers, distributions, or conveyances (including without limitation payments, loans, benefits, gifts, compensation, and income) made by Lamp Capital to, at the direction of, or for the benefit of the Debtor. e. All Communications between Lamp Capital and the Debtor relating to the Proposed Plan of Reorganization. Dated: April 27, 2022 New York, New York > /s/ Peter Friedman O'MELVENY & MYERS LLP Peter Friedman (pfriedman@omm.com) Stuart Sarnoff (ssarnoff@omm.com) Times Square Tower 7 Times Square New York, New York 10036 Telephone: (212) 326-2000 Attorneys for Pacific Alliance Asia Opportunity Fund L.P. Exhibit C Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 26 of 1　UNITED STATES BANKRUPTCY COURT 2　DISTRICT OF CONNECTICUT 3　BRIDGEPORT DIVISION 4　______________ In re: )Case No. 8　)22-50073-(JAM) Ho Wan Kwok, ) 9　) Debtor. ) 10　) 14　REMOTE VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION 15　OF 16　(30(b)(6) CORPORATE REPRESENTATIVE 17　YAN PING WANG 18　Tuesday, April 12, 2022 19　New York, New York 25　Reported by: B. Suzanne Hull, CSR No. 13495 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 27 of 1 APPEARANCES 2 3 4 For the Debtor Brown Rudnick 5 Ho Wan Kwok: By MR. BENNETT S. SILVERBERG MR. KENNETH AULET 6 Attorneys at Law Times Square Tower 7 7 Times Square New York, New York 10036 8 (212) 209-4924 (212) 209-4950 9 bsilverberg@brownrudnick.com kaulet@brownrudnick.com 10 11 For Creditor Pacific O'Melveny & Myers Alliance Asia By MR. DAVID V. HARBACH II 12 Opportunity Fund, Attorney at Law L.P.: 1625 Eye Street NW 13 Washington, DC 20006 (202) 383-5127 14 dharbach@omm.com - and - 15 By MR. STUART M. SARNOFF MS. AISLING MURRAY 16 Attorneys at Law Times Square Tower 17 7 Times Square New York, New York 10036 18 (212) 326-2293 (212) 728-5831 19 ssarnoff@omm.com 20 21 For Creditor Cohn Birnbaum Shea Golden Spring By MR. SCOTT D. ROSEN 22 (New York) Limited: Attorney at Law 100 Pearl Street 23 Hartford, Connecticut 06103 (860) 493-2220 24 srosen@cbshealaw.com amurray@omm.com Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 28 of 4 For United States United States Department of 5 By MS. HOLLEY L. CLAIBORN Attorney at Law 1 APPEARANCES (Continued) Trustee: Justice 2 3 14 15 6 1100 L Street NW Room 12210 7 Washington, DC 20005 (202) 514-2000 8 holley.l.claiborn@usdoj.gov 10 For the Committee on Pullman & Comley Secured Creditors: By MR. JONATHAN KAPLAN 11 Attorney at Law 90 State House Square 12 Hartford, Connecticut 06103 (860) 424-4379 13 jkaplan@pullcom.com 16 The Videographer: Jeffrey Nichols 17 The Interpreter: Sunny Johnston (Mandarin) 18 The Check Una Wilkinson (Mandarin) Interpreter: Also Present: Makenzie Russo Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 29 of 280 1　I N D E X 3　EXAMINATION BY　PAGE 5　MR. HARBACH　10 9　E X H I B I T S 11　EXHIBIT　DESCRIPTION　PAGE 12　Exhibit 1 -　Transcript of testimony of　19 13　Yan Ping Wang, taken 14　October 11, 2018, forty-two 15　pages 16　Exhibit 2 -　Trial transcript, dated　28 17　April 26, 2019, one hundred 18　twenty-five pages 19　Exhibit 3 -　Director and officer register,　43 20　Golden Spring (New York) 21　Limited, Delaware Corporation, 22　three pages 23　Exhibit 4 -　Affidavit of Yan Ping Wang,　55 24　dated November 14, 2013, three 25　pages Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 30 of 1 EXHIBITS (Continued) 2　EXHIBIT　DESCRIPTION　PAGE 3　Exhibit 5 -　Exhibit B, Golden Spring　166 4　(New York)'s Delaware 5　certificate of incorporation 6 and certificate of revival, 7　dated March 10, 2015, five 8　pages 9　Exhibit 6 -　Pacific Alliance Asia　209 10　Opportunity Fund L.P.'s notice 11　of deposition of Golden Spring 12　(New York) Limited pursuant to 13　Rule 30(b)(6) of the Federal 14　Rules of Civil Procedure, 15　dated March 29, 2022, seven 16　pages Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 31 of 280 1　QUESTIONS INSTRUCTED NOT TO 2　ANSWER: 3　Page 36　Line 18 4　Page 37　Line 25 5　Page 41　Line 16 6　Page 65　Line 9 7　Page 126　Line 20 8　Page 128　Line 18 9　Page 130　Line 2 10　Page 150　Line 5 11　Page 157　Line 17 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 32 of 1　New York, New York 2　Tuesday, April 12, 2022; 9:15 a.m. 3　162 East 64th Street 5　THE VIDEOGRAPHER: Good morning. 6　We are going on the record at 9:15 a.m. on　09:15:21 7　April 12th, 2022.　09:15:25 8　This is media unit one of the video-recorded　09:15:27 9　deposition of Yvette Wang as a 30(b)(6) witness for　09:15:31 10　Golden Spring (New York), taken by　09:15:37 11　Creditor Pacific Alliance In Re: Ho Wan Kwok, filed　09:15:39 12　in the United States Bankruptcy Court, District of　09:15:42 13　Connecticut, Bridgeport Division. The case number is　09:15:47 14　22-50073 (JAM).　09:15:49 15　This deposition is being held virtually via　09:15:50 16　Zoom.　09:15:57 17　My name is Jeff Nichols, from the firm　09:15:57 18　Veritext Legal Solutions, and I am the videographer.　09:15:59 19　The court reporter is Suzanne Hull, from the firm　09:16:02 20　Veritext Legal Solutions.　09:16:06 21　Counsel will now please state their　09:16:07 22　appearances and affiliations for the record.　09:16:10 23　MR. HARBACH: Good morning.　09:16:14 24　I'm David Harbach, with O'Melveny & Myers,　09:16:15 25　and I represent Pacific Alliance.　09:16:19 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 33 of 1　MR. ROSEN: Good morning.　09:16:24 2　Scott Rosen, Cohn Birnbaum & Shea,　09:16:24 3　representing Golden Spring (New York).　09:16:28 4　MR. KAPLAN: Jonathan Kaplan,　09:16:36 5　Pullman & Comley, representing the Committee of　09:16:36 6　Unsecured Creditors.　09:16:40 7　MR. AULET: Kenneth Aulet, of Brown Rudnick,　09:16:40 8　representing the debtor, Ho Wan Kwok.　09:16:43 9　MR. SILVERBERG: Bennett Silverberg,　09:16:46 10　Brown Rudnick, representing the debtor.　09:16:49 11　MS. RUSSO: Makenzie Russo, with　09:16:52 12　O'Melveny & Myers, representing Pacific Alliance.　09:16:56 13　MR. SARNOFF: Stuart Sarnoff,　09:16:57 14　Pacific Alliance.　09:17:02 15　MS. CLAIBORN: And I am Holley Claiborn, for　09:17:02 16　the U.S. Trustee.　09:17:04 17　THE VIDEOGRAPHER: Thank you.　09:17:05 18　Will the court reporter please swear in both　09:17:06 19　interpreters and then the witness.　09:17:09 20　THE REPORTER: Raise your right hand,　09:17:14 21　please.　09:17:15 23　SUNNY JOHNSTON, 24　having been called as an interpreter to interpret 25　English into Mandarin and Mandarin into English, was Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 34 of 3 09:17:20 4 THE INTERPRETER: Yes, I do. 09:17:20 5 THE REPORTER: Raise your right hand, 09:17:25 6 please, Check Interpreter. 09:17:27 1 duly sworn to interpret the proceedings to the best 9 having been called as an interpreter to interpret 10 English into Mandarin and Mandarin into English, was 11 duly sworn to interpret the proceedings to the best 12 of her abilities and interpreted as follows: 2 of her abilities and interpreted as follows: 8 UNA WILKINSON, 14 THE CHECK INTERPRETER: Yes, I do. 09:17:42 15 THE REPORTER: Raise your right hand please, 16 Witness. 18 YAN PING WANG, 19 called as a 30(b)(6) Corporate Representative by 20 counsel for Creditor Pacific Alliance Asia 21 Opportunity Fund, L.P., being first duly sworn, 22 testified as follows: 23 09:17:59 24 THE WITNESS: Yes. 09:17:59 25 THE REPORTER: Okay. State credentials, 09:18:02 13 09:17:42 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 35 of 1 please. 09:18:06 2 THE INTERPRETER: Yes. 09:18:08 3 Good morning, everyone. 09:18:09 4 Court certified Mandarin interpreter, 09:18:10 5 California State Certified Interpreter 09:18:13 6 Sunny Johnston. Certification number is 301314. 09:18:14 7 THE REPORTER: Check Interpreter, 09:18:18 8 credentials, please. 09:18:22 9 THE CHECK INTERPRETER: I am the check 09:18:25 10 interpreter for Mandarin and English, and 09:18:26 11 a court-certified interpreter for the Unified Court 09:18:29 12 System in New York state. 09:18:33 13 THE REPORTER: Thank you. 09:18:36 14　THE VIDEOGRAPHER: Thank you.　09:18:37 15　You may proceed, Counsel.　09:18:37 16　09:18:37 17　EXAMINATION　09:18:40 18　BY MR. HARBACH:　09:18:40 19 Q. Good morning, Ms. Wang. 09:18:41 20 My name is David Harbach, as you just heard. 09:18:44 21 And a couple housekeeping matters before we 09:18:50 22 get started. 09:18:53 23 Are you able to hear -- are you able to hear 09:18:54 24 me okay? 09:18:55 25 A. Yes. 09:19:09 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 36 of 1　I can hear you clearly.　09:19:10 2　Q. I'm aware that you had given depositions in　09:19:12 3　the past in English.　09:19:15 4　Would you be comfortable proceeding in　09:19:18 5　English today?　09:19:21 6　A. Okay. My mother tongue is not English, but　09:19:37 7　I can try to go through the deposition in English;　09:19:54 8　however, I do need the interpreter stand by in case　09:19:57 9　I don't understand anything.　09:20:00 10　Q. That -- that sounds perfect, and that is　09:20:02 11　just fine with us; so we can proceed in English. And　09:20:05 12　if you have a question or you would like a question　09:20:10 13　translated into Mandarin or if you would like an　09:20:13 14　answer translated into Mandarin, please just say so,　09:20:20 15　and Ms. Johnston can help.　09:20:24 16　Is that acceptable to you?　09:20:27 17　A. Okay. Yes.　09:20:30 18　Thank you.　09:20:52 19　Q. Okay. Very good.　09:20:52 20　And just a few more things. Because we are　09:20:56 21　doing this deposition remotely, it is very important　09:20:59 22　for the court reporter that only one person be　09:21:03 23　speaking at a time.　09:21:08 24　Do you understand?　09:21:09 25　A. (In English) Yes, I do. Yeah.　09:21:12 Veritext Legal Solutions 866 299-5127 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 37 of 1 Q. Okay. Super. 09:21:13 2 So if you would, please wait for me to 09:21:18 3 finish my question before you start answering, and 09:21:21 4 I'll do my best to wait for you to stop speaking 09:21:24 5 before I ask my next question. 09:21:28 6 Okay? 09:21:30 7　A.　Yes, sir.　09:21:31 8　Thank you.　09:21:33 9　Q.　Okay. Super.　09:21:33 10　And as I said a moment ago, if there is　09:21:35 11 a question that you do not understand, please just 09:21:40 12 let me know, and I'm happy to try and rephrase it. 09:21:43 13 And if there is a question that you would prefer be 09:21:48 14 translated in order to answer it, that is no problem. 09:21:52 15 That is what Ms. Johnston is here for. 09:21:56 16 Okay? 09:21:59 17 A. Yes, sir. 09:22:00 18 Thank you. 09:22:02 19 Q. Okay. Are you on any medication or -- 09:22:02 20 MR. ROSEN: Counsel, before we start, 09:22:11 21 stipulations as to objections and signing. 09:22:13 22 What is your preference? 09:22:18 23 MR. HARBACH: I'm not sure I understand, 09:22:20 24 Scott. 09:22:22 25 MR. ROSEN: The usual stipulations? All 09:22:24 Page 12 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 38 of 1　objections reserved to trial except for form?　09:22:27 2　MR. HARBACH: Yeah. That's okay with me.　09:22:32 3　MR. ROSEN: Okay. The witness is not going　09:22:36 4　to waive the signing and reading of the transcript.　09:22:38 5　MR. HARBACH: I didn't hear you, Scott.　09:22:42 6　Could you please speak up?　09:22:44 7　MR. ROSEN: Yes.　09:22:46 8　The witness will not waive the signing and　09:22:46 9　reading of the transcript.　09:22:49 10　MR. HARBACH: Okay. Understood.　09:22:50 11　BY MR. HARBACH:　09:22:58 12　Q. Ms. Wang, I was just about to ask you if you　09:22:58 13　are on any medication or under the influence of　09:23:01 14　any- -- anything that might impair your memory or　09:23:05 15　interfere with your ability to answer questions　09:23:09 16　truthfully.　09:23:12 17　A. No.　09:23:15 18　Q. Is there any reason you can think of why you　09:23:17 19　cannot provide truthful testimony today?　09:23:20 20　A. I don't think there is any reason, sir.　09:23:24 21　Q. Okay. Super.　09:23:29 22　I believe you have been deposed at least　09:23:30 23　once before in October of 2018 in litigation　09:23:37 24　involving PAX.　09:23:44 25　Do you recall that deposition?　09:23:46 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 39 of ન્ડર )　) )　) 1　A. I remember I was deposed before, but I don't　09:23:48 2　recollect the -- the dates -- the precise dates.　09:23:56 3　Q. Understand.　09:23:59 4　Other than that deposition where PAX　09:24:00 5　examined you, have you been deposed in any other　09:24:09 6　litigation since then?　09:24:13 7　A. Sir, since -- since then? You mean since　09:24:15 8　when?　09:24:19 9　Q. Well, I'll represent to you that the　09:24:20 10　deposition that PAX conducted of you was in October　09:24:23 11　of 2018.　09:24:26 12　And my question is have you been deposed　09:24:30 13　since then?　09:24:33 14　A. I believe so.　09:24:34 15　Q. And do you recall when?　09:24:37 16　A. I don't recall.　09:24:44 17　Q. In what proceeding?　09:24:45 18　A. It was in a case called Strategic Vision,　09:24:49 19　Eastern Profits -- or Eastern Profits, Strategic　09:24:57 20　Vision. It should be the same case.　09:25:02 21　Q. Okay. And in -- in what course is that　09:25:04 22　case, if you know?　09:25:07 23　A. In a court in New York.　09:25:08 24　Q. Okay. Any other depositions, besides that　09:25:11 25　one, since October of 2018?　09:25:20 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 40 of 1　A. Hmmm. No.　09:25:25 2　Q. Do you understand that you are here today as　09:25:27 3　a corporate representative of Golden Spring　09:25:35 4　(New York)?　09:25:40 5　A. Yes, I do.　09:25:40 6　Q. Did you review the topics that we intend to　09:25:42 7　cover with you today that were contained in the　09:25:48 8　deposition notice before your testimony today? 9　A. Yes.　09:25:55 10　I did review the topics.　09:25:59 11　Q. Okay. What did you do to prepare -- excuse　09:26:01 12　me -- prepare for your deposition today, generally　09:26:05 13　speaking?　09:26:08 14　A. I prepared with our law firm -- with our　09:26:09 15　attorneys.　09:26:15 16　Q. Okay. Did you review documents?　09:26:16 17　A. Yes.　09:26:21 18　I did review documents.　09:26:22 19　Q. Did you meet with any other personnel at　09:26:24 20　Golden Spring to prepare for your deposition today?　09:26:29 21　A. Meet -- I'm sorry.　09:26:32 22　What do you mean? You mean meet in person?　09:26:38 23　What do you mean, meet?　09:26:41 24　Q. Well, a moment ago you said that the law　09:26:43 25　firm assisted you in preparing for today.　09:26:49 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 41 of 280 1　A. Correct.　09:26:51 2　Q. Did you meet with them in person to do that　09:26:52 3　preparation?　09:26:56 4　A. No.　09:26:57 5　Due to COVID, I meet our counsels via -- via　09:26:59 6　video call.　09:27:07 7　Q. Thank you.　09:27:08 8　Did you have communications with anyone else　09:27:08 9　at Golden Spring -- via telephone, videoconference,　09:27:11 10　or otherwise -- to prepare for today's deposition?　09:27:17 11　MR. ROSEN: Objection.　09:27:24 12　The witness can answer without disclosing　09:27:25 13　any conversations with either inhouse counsel or　09:27:28 14　outside counsel.　09:27:32 15　THE WITNESS: Sir, sorry.　09:27:36 16　Can you repeat your question?　09:27:37 17　BY MR. HARBACH:　09:27:40 18　Q. Yes.　09:27:41 19　It was a yes-or-no question that did not　09:27:41 20　call for any -- any privileged information.　09:27:43 21　The question is did you meet with any　09:27:46 22　personnel at Golden Spring -- via telephone, Zoom,　09:27:50 23　videoconference or otherwise -- to prepare for your　09:27:57 24　deposition today?　09:28:01 25　A. Yes, I did.　09:28:01 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 42 of 1　Q. With whom did you communicate at　09:28:05 2　Golden Spring to prepare for your deposition today?　09:28:08 3　A. I communicated with the owner of　09:28:11 4　Golden Spring (New York) Limited, Mr. Qiang Guo. Let　09:28:18 5　me spell, Q-i-a-n-g, last name G-u-o.　09:28:25 6　Q. How much time did you spend communicating　09:28:32 7　with him?　09:28:37 8　A. How much time? Like, ten fifteen -- about,　09:28:38 9　like, fifteen minutes -- ten, fifteen minutes.　09:28:49 10　Q. Is there anyone else at Golden Spring with　09:28:52 11　whom you communicated to prepare for today's　09:28:55 12　deposition?　09:28:57 13　A. No.　09:28:57 14　Q. Is there anyone else in the world, other　09:28:58 15　than attorneys, with whom you communicated to prepare　09:29:01 16　for today's deposition?　09:29:05 17　A. No.　09:29:07 18　Q. What is the name of -- withdrawn.　09:29:09 19　A moment ago, when you said you met with　09:29:26 20　lawyers to prepare for today's deposition, lawyers　09:29:29 21　from which firm or firms?　09:29:35 22　A. Attorneys from Mr. Scott Rosen's firm.　09:29:37 10 Q. Is there anyone else at Golden Spring with 09:28:52 11 whom you communicated to prepare for today's 09:28:55 12 deposition? 09:28:57 13 A. No. 09:28:57 14 Q. Is there anyone else in the world, other 09:28:58 15 than attorneys, with whom you communicated to prepare 09:29:01 16 for today's deposition? 09:29:05 17 A. No. 09:29:07 18 Q. What is the name of -- withdrawn. 09:29:09 19 A moment ago, when you said you met with 09:29:26 20 lawyers to prepare for today's deposition, lawyers 09:29:29 21 from which firm or firms? 09:29:35 22 A. Attorneys from Mr. Scott Rosen's firm. 09:29:37 23 I couldn't pronounce his law firm's name. It should 09:29:45 24 be -- I mean, it is complicated for me to pronounce 09:29:49 25 his law firm's name; so Mr. Scott Rosen and his 09:29:55 Page 17 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 43 of 280 1　colleague, Mr. Timothy -- Tim.　09:29:59 2　Q. Tim Miltenberger?　09:30:01 3　A. I believe so. I don't remember his last　09:30:05 4　name. It sounds like it correct.　09:30:07 5　Q. Okay. Did you meet or consult with any　09:30:09 6　lawyers from the Brown Rudnick firm to prepare for　09:30:13 7　today's deposition?　09:30:23 8　A. No, I didn't.　09:30:24 9　Q. When was Golden Spring (New York) Limited　09:30:27 10　formed?　09:30:40 11　A. Golden Spring (New York) Limited was formed　09:30:40 12　in the year of 2015.　09:30:45 13　Q. Does March 2015 sound about right to you?　09:30:47 14　A. In March, yes.　09:30:54 15　Q. What is Golden Spring (New York)'s　09:30:59 16　relationship to Golden Spring (Hong Kong)?　09:31:03 17　A. Golden Spring (New York) Limited is　09:31:09 18　100 percent owned by China Golden Spring (Hong Kong).　09:31:15 19　Q. And for purposes of today's deposition, I'm　09:31:21 20　going to refer to China Golden Spring (Hong Kong) as　09:31:27 21　just Golden Spring (Hong Kong).　09:31:33 22　Is that okay with you?　09:31:36 23　A. Yes.　09:31:37 24　Q. Okay. Did you ever work at Golden Spring　09:31:39 25　(Hong Kong)?　09:31:45 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 44 of 1　A. Yes.　09:31:49 2　Q. Do you recall when you worked there?　09:31:50 3　A. That was back to 2016 for, like, a couple of　09:31:53 4　months.　09:32:05 5　Q. Okay. I would like to show you what I'm　09:32:07 6　going to mark as Exhibit 1.　09:32:22 7　(Deposition Exhibit Number 1　09:32:29 8　was marked for identification.)　09:32:29 9　MR. HARBACH: And we'll just wait a moment　09:32:32 10　for my colleague to drop it in there. Just sit　09:32:34 11　tight, everybody. It will be there in a second.　09:32:56 12　Sorry for the delay. We are working on it. It seems　09:33:17 13　to be a little slow. It is uploading now.　09:33:30 14　Ms. Russo is telling me it should be in　09:34:30 15　there, but I don't see it in my marked exhibits　09:34:33 16　folder.　09:34:37 17　Does anyone else?　09:34:38 18　MR. KAPLAN: There -- there are two folders.　09:34:42 19　It looks like it is in the second one.　09:34:45 20　MR. HARBACH: Okay. Got it.　09:34:57 21　MR. ROSEN: Counsel --　09:34:59 22　MR. HARBACH: That seems --　09:35:00 23　MR. ROSEN: -- before we --　09:35:00 24　MR. HARBACH: That seems to be the way it is　09:35:02 25　on -- on my computer. It is in the second one in　09:35:05 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 45 of 280 1　the -- the second one that says deposition of　09:35:07 2　Yvette Wang.　09:35:11 3　MR. ROSEN: Counsel, before you proceed with　09:35:11 4　the question, could you please explain to me which of　09:35:13 5　the 30(b)(6) topics this document pertains to.　09:35:17 6　MR. HARBACH: Well, it could be -- it could　09:35:23 7　be any number of them because the document is the　09:35:25 8　transcript of her prior deposition; so it will be　09:35:29 9　multiple such topics.　09:35:33 10　MR. ROSEN: I'll reserve the right to object　09:35:36 11　and instruct the witness not to answer if it exceeds　09:35:38 12　the scope of the 30(b)(6).　09:35:42 13　But go ahead and proceed.　09:35:43 14　MR. HARBACH: Understood.　09:35:46 15　Is there anyone who can't see the exhibit in　09:35:49 16　their marked exhibits folder before I go on?　09:35:51 17　BY MR. HARBACH:　09:35:59 18　Q. Okay. Ms. Wang, can you see it?　09:36:00 19　A. Sir, I can see a .pd- -- it says .pdf file　09:36:03 20　with forty-two pages.　09:36:07 21　Q. You got it?　09:36:09 22　A. This is the one?　09:36:11 23　Got it. Okay.　09:36:12 24　Q. Yes, ma'am.　09:36:13 25　Please open that one up.　09:36:15 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 46 of 280 1　A. (Witness complies.)　09:36:18 2　Yes.　09:36:18 3　Q. So just to refresh your recollection before　09:36:19 4　I proceed, the question I put to you concerned the　09:36:22 5　dates that you worked at Golden Spring (Hong Kong).　09:36:25 6　And I believe you said that it was approximately　09:36:31 7　2016. And I just want to show you in the deposition　09:36:36 8　in 2018 where you were asked about this. Let me read　09:36:42 9　what you said, and then ask the question again.　09:36:49 10　So I -- can I direct your attention to page　09:36:52 11　thirty of the transcript.　09:36:55 12　A. (Witness complies.)　09:37:00 13　Q. Let me know when you are there.　09:37:02 14　A. Page thirty, three, zero, sir; right?　09:37:09 15　Q. Yes, ma'am. That is right.　09:37:15 16　And it is the -- you know, page thirty of　09:37:18 17　the miniature pages.　09:37:21 18　Do you see how each of the miniature pages　09:37:23 19　is numbered?　09:37:26 20　A. I am on page thirty.　09:37:30 21　What do you mean, miniature pages? I don't　09:37:33 22　understand that.　09:37:38 23　Q. Well, each -- sure.　09:37:39 24　Each page of the document that I just sent　09:37:41 25　you has four pages of the transcript on it.　09:37:44 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 47 of 1　Do you see that?　09:37:47 2　A. Yes.　09:37:48 3　Q. Okay. So those are the page numbers that　09:37:48 4　I am referring to. And on page thirty, at line ten,　09:37:52 5　you were asked a question that reads:　09:38:03 6　"QUESTION: Then you moved to Hong Kong　09:38:05 7　in 2015 to work in September of 2015 to work　09:38:07 8　for Golden Spring (Hong Kong)?"　09:38:13 9　And your answer was:　09:38:18 10　"ANSWER: Yes."　09:38:19 11　Do you see that there?　09:38:21 12　A. Sir, which page? It is page thirty, but　09:38:23 13　there are four -- four little page number.　09:38:26 14　Q. For --　09:38:31 15　A. I'm not sure which one.　09:38:32 16　Q. Right.　09:38:34 17　A. Is it Page 113 or 14, 15 or 16? Which one　09:38:35 18　you are talking about?　09:38:39 19　Q. I understand. I understand your confusion.　09:38:41 20　When I refer to page numbers of this　09:38:44 21　transcript, I am only talking about the pages -- the　09:38:46 22　page numbers for the small pages.　09:38:51 23　A. Oh.　09:38:53 24　Q. Okay?　09:38:54 25　And I know it is confusing. I'm sorry.　09:38:57 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 48 of 280 1　A. All right. Let me go back and find it.　09:38:59 2　Q. Yeah. Go back to page thirty of the little　09:39:01 3　pages.　09:39:04 4　A. (Witness complies.)　09:39:06 5　Yes.　09:39:14 6　I'm on the little page, on page thirty right　09:39:14 7　now.　09:39:17 8　Q. Okay. Yes. Sorry for the confusion.　09:39:17 9　So take a look at line ten on page thirty,　09:39:19 10　and you will see a question there about when you　09:39:22 11　moved to Hong Kong to work for Golden Spring　09:39:26 12　(Hong Kong).　09:39:30 13　Do you see that?　09:39:31 14　A. Yes.　09:39:35 15　I saw this.　09:39:53 16　Q. Okay. And so my question for you is --　09:39:55 17　first of all, let's just focus on the date.　09:40:00 18　Okay? Having read this, does that inform　09:40:03 19　your judgment about when it was that you began to　09:40:09 20　work for Golden Spring (Hong Kong)?　09:40:12 21　A. My answer, back to this page, which I mean　09:40:16 22　that, yes. I moved to Hong Kong in 2015, and then　09:40:25 23　I worked in there. I traveled to -- in U.S. But if　09:40:28 24　you have my full Golden Spring (New York) corporation　09:40:34 25　records, I officially start work in Golden Spring　09:40:41 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 49 of 1　from 2018, I believe; so before that I don't believe　09:40:44 2　I work for Golden Spring (New York). Technically,　09:40:52 3　I work for Golden Spring (Hong Kong) and -- which　09:40:56 4　include the time of the 2016, when I revert because　09:41:01 5　2015 -- 2016 I revert. 2016, that is a more　09:41:06 6　consecutive period of time for me to base in　09:41:12 7　Hong Kong; so besides that, I traveled between　09:41:16 8　Hong Kong/U.S.　09:41:20 9　Q. Okay. So I think I understand you, but　09:41:22 10　I want to make sure.　09:41:25 11　In approximately 2015 you started working　09:41:28 12　for Golden Spring (Hong Kong), and you worked for　09:41:33 13　Golden Spring (Hong Kong) until sometime in 2018, at　09:41:40 14　which point you began working for Golden Spring　09:41:46 15　(New York).　09:41:49 16　Do I have that right?　09:41:49 17　A. I officially started to work for　09:41:53 18　Golden Spring (New York) from 2018, yes. You are　09:41:57 19　correct on that.　09:42:03 20　Q. Okay. And prior to that, you worked for　09:42:04 21　Golden Spring (Hong Kong); is that correct?　09:42:10 22　A. I believe it is more a mix because I was　09:42:14 23　working for Golden Spring (Hong Kong) and same time　09:42:20 24　I was working for Mr. Qiang Guo, his family business　09:42:23 25　in China also; so that is the reason when I referred　09:42:29 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 50 of 280 1　I was in Hong Kong in 2016. That is a -- as I said,　09:42:33 2　a period of consecutive time for me to -- leaving　09:42:42 3　Hong Kong and working Hong Kong -- for Hong Kong.　09:42:46 4　That is my -- that is my representation.　09:42:49 5　Q. Were you -- at the time you were working for　09:42:51 6　Golden Spring (Hong Kong), were you physically in　09:42:55 7　Hong Kong?　09:43:00 8　A. Not always.　09:43:03 9　Q. Okay. When did you move to the　09:43:05 10　United States?　09:43:11 11　A. What do you mean, move, sir?　09:43:11 12　Q. When did you come to the United States for　09:43:17 13　the first time? How about that?　09:43:22 14　A. That was many years ago.　09:43:26 15　Q. Did you come to the United States during the　09:43:28 16　time that you worked for Golden Spring (Hong Kong)?　09:43:34 17　A. Yes.　09:43:37 18　During the time I worked for Golden Spring　09:43:39 19　(Hong Kong), I did travel into the United States　09:43:43 20　also.　09:43:46 21　Q. Okay. When was that?　09:43:47 22　A. Oh, I couldn't recall. It should -- between　09:43:49 23　2015 to 2017 or '18. I couldn't recall.　09:43:56 24　Q. When you came to the United States in that　09:44:07 25　time period, did you return to China?　09:44:10 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 51 of 1　MR. ROSEN: Objection. Counsel, could you　09:44:15 2　please show me which of the 30(b)(6) topics this　09:44:18 3　relates to and give me some explanation as to where　09:44:21 4　you are going here.　09:44:24 5　MR. HARBACH: Yeah. Sure.　09:44:26 6　I am really just trying to get basic　09:44:26 7　background of the witness' affiliation with the　09:44:29 8　company that she represents. It is very basic. I am　09:44:34 9　trying to figure out when she worked, where, and for　09:44:36 10　whom. That's it. It informs her competency as the　09:44:40 11　30(b)(6) witness, and it gives con- -- it gives　09:44:44 12　context to her later testimony.　09:44:47 13　MR. ROSEN: I -- honestly, I don't see how　09:44:49 14　her travel plans has anything to do with this.　09:44:52 15　And I'm going to instruct the witness at　09:44:56 16　this point to simply not answer questions about her　09:44:58 17　travel and her whereabouts at various times. If you　09:45:02 18　would like to ask questions about her specific duties　09:45:05 19　and what she performed and when she performed it,　09:45:08 20　I have no objection to that.　09:45:11 21　MR. HARBACH: And you -- you are going to　09:45:12 22　object to any question about her physical location　09:45:13 23　when she performed those duties? Is that what　09:45:16 24　I understand?　09:45:18 25　MR. ROSEN: You -- your questions were going　09:45:20 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 52 of 280 1　way beyond that. If you want to ask her specific　09:45:23 2　duty and where she was, then we can address that　09:45:25 3　question as it comes up. But you are asking about　09:45:28 4　general travel plans. You are asking about her --　09:45:31 5　her work for other companies. She is a 30(b)(6)　09:45:35 6　witness for Golden Spring (New York), and that is　09:45:38 7　where the questions should be directed.　09:45:41 8　BY MR. HARBACH:　09:45:44 9　Q. Ms. Wang, where were you physically located　09:45:45 10　when you worked for Golden Spring (Hong Kong)?　09:45:47 11　A. What do you mean, physically located?　09:45:55 12　I mean, like, stay in hotel or staying -- I mean,　09:45:59 13　I don't understand, sir.　09:46:03 14　Q. What country were you in when you worked for　09:46:04 15　Golden Spring (Hong Kong)?　09:46:07 16　A. I was in Hong Kong, and I was -- I traveled　09:46:10 17　in the U.S. I traveled in UK. I mean, I still don't　09:46:14 18　understand what do you mean physically located, but　09:46:19 19　that is the places I had been to.　09:46:22 20　Q. Okay. Did there come a time when you　09:46:24 21　merge -- moved to the United States permanently for　09:46:29 22　work?　09:46:35 23　A. Sir, what do you mean permanently?　09:46:35 24　Q. Did you move?　09:46:38 25　A. Permanent --　09:46:40 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 53 of 280 1 Q. Did you move? Do you know what I mean by 09:46:42 2 move? 09:46:47 3 A. Yes. 09:46:47 4 Q. Okay. Did there come a time when you moved 09:46:48 5 to the United States for work? 09:46:51 6 A. Yes. 09:46:59 7 Q. When was that? 09:47:00 8 A. That was started I became to be the officer 09:47:01 9 and director of Golden Spring (New York). 09:47:09 10 Q. Which was when? 09:47:11 11 A. That was beginning of 2018, late of 2017. 09:47:17 12 I couldn't remember. It should be beginning of 2018. 09:47:25 13 Q. Okay. I'm going to show you another 09:47:29 14 document. 09:47:36 15 MR. HARBACH: We'll call this one number 09:47:38 16 two. 09:47:41 17 (Deposition Exhibit Number 2 09:47:41 18 was marked for identification.) 09:48:39 19 BY MR. HARBACH: 09:48:39 20 Q. Do you see Exhibit 2 in your folder, 09:48:40 21 Ms. Wang? 09:48:42 22 A. Yes. 09:48:44 23 Q. Okay. It should also be a .pdf. Please 09:48:46 24 open it up. 09:48:51 25 A. (Witness complies.) 09:48:52 Page 28 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 54 of 1　Yes, I did.　09:48:54 2　Q. Okay. Now, on this one I'm going to ask you　09:48:55 3　to turn to page -- okay -- forty-nine.　09:49:01 4　A. (Witness complies.)　09:49:14 5　Q. Tell me when you are on page forty-nine.　09:49:27 6　A. Yes, I am.　09:49:34 7　Q. Okay. Looking at line five, the question　09:49:35 8　was put to you:　09:49:39 9　"QUESTION: And when did you move to　09:49:41 10　New York to start working for the Guo　09:49:43 11　family?"　09:49:47 12　Your answer:　09:49:48 13　"ANSWER: That was a date I never　09:49:50 14　forget. That was April 23rd, 2015."　09:49:52 15　Do you see that there?　09:49:59 16　A. Yes, I did.　09:50:01 17　MR. HARBACH: Okay. This deposition, for　09:50:02 18　the record -- correction.　09:50:04 19　This testimony, for the record, was given in　09:50:06 20　May of 2019, just under three years ago.　09:50:09 21　BY MR. HARBACH:　09:50:15 22　Q. So is that accurate that you moved to　09:50:16 23　New York to start working for the Guo family in April　09:50:20 24　of 2015?　09:50:24 25　A. As I said, English is not my mother　09:50:26 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 55 of 280 1　language. When you say move, I mean, I understand　09:50:32 2　better by now more than two, three -- three, four　09:50:35 3　years ago, and that was right. I left China. I came　09:50:40 4　to New York -- I came to New York first. Then I went　09:50:45 5　back to Hong Kong.　09:50:49 6　So regarding work for it the Guo family,　09:50:50 7　which I refer always as my -- my boss -- like, the　09:50:54 8　owner of Golden Spring, Mr. Qiang Guo -- Q-i-a-n-g　09:51:00 9　G-u-o -- that is the same Guo family.　09:51:06 10　Q. So did you start working for the Guo family　09:51:09 11　in New York in April of 2015? Is that correct or not　09:51:23 12　correct?　09:51:33 13　A. I started to work for the Guo family from　09:51:33 14　2000 -- end of 2008. That is, like --　09:51:39 15　Q. Yeah. Let me -- let me interrupt and ask my　09:51:43 16　question again as you may have misunderstood it.　09:51:46 17　Did you start working for the Guo family in　09:51:49 18　New York in April of 2015?　09:51:52 19　A. Start work for the Guo family. I mean,　09:52:00 20　again, I don't remember this question many years ago.　09:52:13 21　As I said --　09:52:17 22　Q. No.　09:52:18 23　You -- you -- you testified that it was　09:52:18 24　a date you'll never forget; so that is why I'm　09:52:20 25　pressing you a little bit on it.　09:52:25 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 56 of 1　My question is when did you start working　09:52:27 2　for the Guo family in New York? The transcript here　09:52:32 3　seems to suggest that that was in April of 2015, and　09:52:38 4　I'm asking you whether that is accurate.　09:52:44 5　Is it accurate? Is it not accurate? Or do　09:52:47 6　you not know?　09:52:51 7　A. April 23rd in 2015. That is the date　09:52:52 8　I never forgot because I left China. I was never --　09:53:00 9　I was never able to go back.　09:53:03 10　Okay?　09:53:06 11　So that is accurate. When I answered this　09:53:07 12　question, I don't believe I have any interpreter help　09:53:10 13　me by then; so the question looks like right now　09:53:14 14　reading as when did you move to New York to start　09:53:18 15　working for the Guo family? I was not quite　09:53:21 16　understanding this question without translation by　09:53:24 17　then; so if you ask me when I start to work for Guo　09:53:27 18　family, which I can tell you, I started -- my career　09:53:31 19　started from 2008, but I started to work for Guo　09:53:36 20　family outside of China. That was started from 2015.　09:53:40 21　That is my correct and truthful answer now.　09:53:44 22　Q. And that was in New York City; correct?　09:53:47 23　A. Starting from New York and Hong Kong.　09:53:49 24　Q. Okay.　09:53:53 25　A. I mean, by then Mr. Qiang Guo, he was in　09:54:06 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 57 of 280 1　New York and Hong Kong both. I don't see now where　09:54:09 2　there is any problem. I said I'll work in New York　09:54:11 3　and Hong Kong -- starting from New York and back to　09:54:11 4　Hong Kong because I originally need to follow　09:54:13 5　Mr. Qiang Guo, if that makes sense to you, sir.　09:54:18 6　Q. Well, I just want to point out that I wasn't　09:54:21 7　suggesting there was a problem. I am just trying to　09:54:25 8　understand the facts of what happened; so here is my　09:54:28 9　next question.　09:54:31 10　When did you start working at Golden Spring　09:54:32 11　(New York)?　09:54:36 12　A. I believe I replied your question, sir,　09:54:40 13　about Golden Spring (New York). That was started --　09:54:44 14　I was appointed as officer and director of　09:54:46 15　Golden Spring (New York).　09:54:50 16　Q. When?　09:54:50 17　A. 2018.　09:54:51 18　Q. Do you recall when in 2018?　09:54:54 19　A. In spring of 2018.　09:54:59 20　Q. Okay. Let's go back to Exhibit 1. Let me　09:55:02 21　know when you have got Exhibit 1 pulled up, Ms. Wang.　09:55:14 22　A. (Witness complies.)　09:55:19 23　Yes. I'm here.　09:55:20 24　Q. Okay. Page numbers again, I'm talking about　09:55:22 25　the little page numbers. If you please go to page　09:55:25 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 58 of 1 thirty-five. 09:55:32 2 A. (Witness complies.) 09:55:36 3 Q. Let me know -- 09:55:50 4 A. Yes. 09:55:51 5 Q. -- when you are there. 09:55:52 6 A. Yes. I'm here. 09:55:54 7 Q. Okay. Take a look on page thirty-five of 09:55:55 8 Exhibit 1, line ten. 09:55:59 9 A. (Witness complies.) 09:56:00 10 Q. The question reads: 09:56:05 11 "QUESTION: You said in February of 2018 09:56:07 12 you came to work for Golden Spring 09:56:09 13 (New York)?" 09:56:09 14 And your answer was: 09:56:13 15 "ANSWER: Yes." 09:56:15 16 Now, my only focus here is on whether 09:56:16 17 February of '18 sounds like the correct date to you 09:56:18 18 of when you started working for Golden Spring 09:56:22 19 (New York). 09:56:25 20 A. Sir, I replied as in spring of 2018. 09:56:28 21 I mean -- 09:56:33 22 Q. I'm -- I'm not suggesting anything other 09:56:36 23 than whether February is correct. 09:56:39 24 Does that sound about right to you? 09:56:42 25 A. I don't recall. In spring of 2018. You 09:56:46 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 59 of 280 1　could check on Golden Spring (New York)'s corporation　09:56:49 2　book. It should be clearly in there.　09:56:54 3　Q. Was anyone else working at Golden Spring　09:56:56 4　(New York) when you started there in the spring of　09:57:07 5　2018?　09:57:09 6　A. What do you mean, is there anyone working at　09:57:10 7　Golden Spring (New York)?　09:57:20 8　Q. Well, you mentioned that you were, I think　09:57:21 9　you said, appointed to Golden Spring in the spring of　09:57:24 10　2018.　09:57:29 11　My question for you is at the time that you　09:57:32 12　were appointed, were there any other people working　09:57:34 13　for Golden Spring (New York)?　09:57:40 14　A. Mr. Qiang Guo, himself.　09:57:44 15　Q. Okay. And what was his job?　09:57:49 16　A. He is one of the directors of Golden Spring　09:57:55 17　(New York).　09:57:59 18　Q. Anyone else?　09:57:59 19　A. No.　09:58:03 20　Just me and himself, when I was appointed.　09:58:08 21　Q. So no other employees who worked at　09:58:14 22　Golden Spring at that time?　09:58:19 23　A. I don't recall.　09:58:23 24　Q. Do you recall whether there was a chauffeur　09:58:23 25　who worked for Golden Spring (New York) at that time?　09:58:33 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 60 of 280 1　A.　I don't recall.　09:58:35 2　Q.　Let's take a look at Exhibit 1 again.　09:58:35 3　A.　(Witness complies.)　09:58:41 4　Q.　And this time let's go to page forty.　09:58:51 5　A.　(Witness complies.)　09:58:55 6　Q.　Tell me when you are there.　09:59:02 7　A.　Yes, I am.　09:59:07 8　Q.　Okay. Take a look at line seven. You say:　09:59:08 9　"ANSWER: I remember that there was　09:59:24 10　a driver. I met a chauffeur, a Korean　09:59:25 11　gentleman, yes."　09:59:30 12　And then there is a question:　09:59:33 13　"QUESTION: You believe he was an　09:59:35 14　employee of Golden Spring before February of　09:59:36 15　'18?"　09:59:39 16　Your answer:　09:59:40 17　"ANSWER: February of 2018, that was he　09:59:43 18　told me by then.　09:59:46 19　"QUESTION: You met a chauffeur who told　09:59:48 20　you that he was an employee of Golden Spring　09:59:50 21　(New York)?　09:59:53 22　"ANSWER: Yes."　09:59:54 23　And then you say that he was the one who　09:59:55 24　picked you up at the airport.　09:59:58 25　Does that refresh your recollection about　10:00:01 Veritext Legal Solutions 866 299-5127 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 61 of 1　whether there was a chauffeur employed at　10:00:03 2　Golden Spring (New York) when you started there?　10:00:07 3　A. Sir, I am the witness today -- in my　10:00:12 4　understanding is about bankruptcy. I mean that this　10:00:18 5　is my task -- this was my testimony how many years　10:00:21 6　ago? Three, four years ago?　10:00:27 7　I mean, I could remember by then because　10:00:29 8　that was a relatively closer date. I was deposed in　10:00:32 9　October 2018, as you said. Now it is almost three　10:00:37 10　and a half, four years after. I mean, just so many　10:00:41 11　years pass by, I couldn't remember that. But since　10:00:45 12　my testimony back to 2018 in here said that, that is　10:00:50 13　possible. That reminded me. That's right. But that　10:00:54 14　doesn't mean that after three and a half, four years,　10:00:57 15　I still should remember all the details; right? I am　10:01:02 16　being deposed in here about a bankruptcy.　10:01:02 17　Am I correct about this?　10:01:07 18　Q. Well, you are -- you are right about one　10:01:09 19　part, and that is that I offered you this information　10:01:11 20　to see if it would help refresh your memory.　10:01:14 21　And, indeed, that was the question, whether　10:01:19 22　reading this transcript helps refresh your memory　10:01:22 23　about whether there was a chauffeur working at　10:01:25 24　Golden Spring (New York) when you started.　10:01:30 25　A. I --　10:01:31 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 62 of 1　MR. ROSEN: At this point, I'm going to　10:01:31 2　instruct the witness not to answer any further　10:01:33 3　questions along these lines.　10:01:36 4　This is a deposition in a contested matter　10:01:37 5　for approval of a DIP financing arrangement in　10:01:41 6　a bankruptcy case. So far, of the list of 30(b)(6)　10:01:49 7　topics, these questions barely hit on any of these --　10:01:52 8　of the topics, maybe a little bit on the ownership　10:01:55 9　structure. You have already covered the officers,　10:01:58 10　employees, and directors, and so far nothing about　10:02:02 11　a DIP loan.　10:02:06 12　So I would ask you, if you are going to do　10:02:07 13　a fishing expedition or try and extend litigation　10:02:10 14　from other courts here, that I would have to instruct　10:02:12 15　the witness not to answer.　10:02:17 16　BY MR. HARBACH:　10:02:18 17　Q. Ms. Wang, just a moment ago you said that　10:02:18 18　reading this deposition transcript did help you　10:02:22 19　remember.　10:02:26 20　And so my question is was there or was there　10:02:26 21　not a chauffeur working at Golden Spring (New York)　10:02:29 22　at the time you started there?　10:02:32 23　A. As my testimony back to 2018 said so, it is　10:02:37 24　possible. You are helpful, sir.　10:02:42 25　Q. Okay. Was Mr. Mileson Kwok living in　10:02:44 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 63 of 280 1 New York when you started working at Golden Spring 10:03:01 2 (New York)? 10:03:03 3 MR. ROSEN: Objection. I instruct the 10:03:03 4 witness not to answer. 10:03:05 5 This has no relevance whatsoever to any of 10:03:06 6 the 30(b)(6) deposition topics, none. And the 10:03:06 7 purpose of this is strictly to either relitigate or 10:03:12 8 extend litigation from other courts or to harass this 10:03:13 9 witness. 10:03:17 10 BY MR. HARBACH: 10:03:18 11 Q. Ms. Wang, do you know who Mileson Kwok is? 10:03:18 12 A. Can you spell the name again, sir, please? 10:03:25 13 Q. Yes. 10:03:28 14 M-i-l-e-s-o-n Kwok, K-w-o-k. 10:03:29 15 Do you know who that is? 10:03:39 16 A. I don't know who you are referring, sir. 10:03:41 17 Q. Okay. You have mentioned someone who was 10:03:43 18 a director of Golden Spring at the time you became 10:03:47 19 a director. 10:03:51 20 What is that person's name? 10:03:52 21 A. If you refer to Mr. Qiang Guo, the same 10:03:56 22 director when I was appointed, his name is Q-i-a-n-g 10:04:01 23 G-u-o. His English name is Mileson, M-i-l-e-s-o-n, 10:04:08 24 and the last name is G-u-o, sir, if that is helpful 10:04:20 25 to you. 10:04:25 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 64 of 1　Is this the person you are referring?　10:04:27 2　Q. It -- it is.　10:04:29 3　A. Okay.　10:04:29 4　Q. And --　10:04:29 5　A. I never heard about someone called　10:04:30 6　Mileson Kwok. I mean, I never heard about this　10:04:33 7　person.　10:04:36 8　Q. Okay. How is Mileson Guo related to　10:04:36 9　Wengui Guo? And that is spelled W-e-n-g-u-i G-u-o.　10:04:45 10　How are they related, if at all, if you　10:04:57 11　know?　10:05:00 12　A. Mr. Qiang Guo -- Q-i-a-n-g G-u-o -- he is　10:05:00 13　the son of Mr. H-o W-a-n K-w-o-k.　10:05:07 14　Q. And that is H-o W-a-n K-w-o-k; correct?　10:05:23 15　A. You are right, sir.　10:05:29 16　Q. So for ease of understanding for everyone　10:05:30 17　who is reading this transcript, can we please refer　10:05:33 18　to Mr. Ho Wan Kwok's son as Mileson? Is that okay　10:05:36 19　with you?　10:05:45 20　A. No, sir.　10:05:46 21　I will prefer to stay with Mr. Qiang Guo.　10:05:47 22　The reason because, again, English is not my mother　10:05:51 23　language. I do not want to pronounce something which　10:05:54 24　was -- which could be misunderstood by everyone here,　10:05:58 25　if I may.　10:06:03 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 65 of 280 1　Q. No problem at all.　10:06:04 2　A. Thank you.　10:06:08 3　Q. So we'll stick with Qiang Guo.　10:06:09 4　A. Thank you.　10:06:14 5　Q. Okay. And you just testified that he is the　10:06:14 6　son of Ho Wan Kwok, the debtor; right?　10:06:17 7　A. You are right, sir. Yes.　10:06:21 8　Q. So my question is was Qiang Guo living in　10:06:22 9　New York when you started working at Golden Spring　10:06:26 10　(New York)?　10:06:28 11　A. What do you mean, living in New York, sir?　10:06:30 12　Like, I mean, I don't understand. Travel in there.　10:06:35 13　I met him in there, yes. I don't understand what you　10:06:38 14　mean, living in New York.　10:06:42 15　MR. HARBACH: Sunny, perhaps you can help　10:06:45 16　me. My question in English would be did　10:06:48 17　Mr. Qiang Guo live in New York at the time you　10:06:52 18　started working at Golden Spring (New York)?　10:06:56 19　Could you please translate that for me?　10:06:59 20　THE INTERPRETER: (Interprets question.)　10:07:36 21　THE WITNESS: (Through the Interpreter)　10:07:36 22　I officially started working for Golden Spring　10:07:36 23　(New York) in 2018. I don't recall whether or not　10:07:39 24　Mr. Qiang Guo was living in New York at the time.　10:07:41 25 /// Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 66 of 1　BY MR. HARBACH:　10:07:46 2　Q. Did you see him in New York personally　10:07:46 3　around the time that you started working at　10:07:54 4　Golden Spring (New York)?　10:07:57 5　A. I don't recall.　10:08:01 6　Q. Have you ever seen Mr. Qiang Guo personally　10:08:02 7　in New York?　10:08:10 8　A. Yes, I did.　10:08:13 9　Q. When was the last time?　10:08:14 10　A. I don't recall.　10:08:18 11　Q. Within the last year?　10:08:21 12　A. I don't recall.　10:08:25 13　Q. Within the last five years?　10:08:26 14　A. Yes.　10:08:30 15　It was possible.　10:08:37 16　Q. Was Mr. Ho Wan Kwok living in New York at　10:08:38 17　the time you started working for Golden Spring　10:08:47 18　(New York)?　10:08:49 19　MR. ROSEN: Objection. This is the same　10:08:51 20　issue.　10:08:53 21　I think -- Counsel, could you please explain　10:08:55 22　the relevance of this question to me.　10:08:56 23　MR. HARBACH: Well, as you know,　10:09:02 24　Mr. Ho Wan Kwok is the debtor, and it is certainly　10:09:03 25　with- -- within the scope of appropriate topics, in　10:09:07 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 67 of 280 1　our view, for me to explore Mr. Ho Wan Kwok's　10:09:13 2　relationship to Golden Spring (New York), which is　10:09:17 3　his putative lender on this DIP loan; so I'm starting　10:09:20 4　with the question about where Mr. Kwok lived at the　10:09:29 5　time the witness started working at Golden Spring　10:09:32 6　(New York). That is the relevance.　10:09:34 7　BY MR. HARBACH:　10:09:35 8　Q. Ms. Wang, what is the answer?　10:09:35 9　MR. ROSEN: I'm going to instruct the　10:09:37 10　witness not to answer this question. This is --　10:09:38 11　there is no relevance that I can see to disclosing　10:09:42 12　the whereabouts and the present location of parties　10:09:44 13　here to a DIP loan funding. This is just -- it is　10:09:48 14　just harassment.　10:09:53 15　MR. HARBACH: So you are -- you are　10:09:57 16　instructing the witness not to answer, Scott?　10:09:58 17　MR. ROSEN: Yes, I am.　10:10:01 18　MR. HARBACH: Okay.　10:10:03 19　BY MR. HARBACH:　10:10:03 20　Q. Ms. Wang, when you started working at　10:10:04 21　Golden Spring (New York), what was your title?　10:10:06 22　A. I was -- I am -- I was the -- the president,　10:10:11 23　secretary, I believe treasurer also, and director.　10:10:16 24　Q. So you said, to make sure I have this right:　10:10:23 25　President, secretary, treasurer, and director; is　10:10:27 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 68 of 1　that correct?　10:10:31 2　A.　Correct.　10:10:32 3　Q.　I'm going to show you -- let's call this　10:10:32 4　number three.　10:10:41 5　(Deposition Exhibit Number 3　10:10:43 6　was marked for identification.)　10:10:48 7　MR. HARBACH: Wait for it to get populated.　10:10:48 8　I'm told it should be there. I have it.　10:11:27 9　BY MR. HARBACH:　10:11:30 10　Q.　Ms. Wang, do you have number three?　10:11:30 11　A.　Yes, sir.　10:11:34 12　I have it.　10:11:35 13　Q.　Okay. Super.　10:11:36 14　Open that -- that one up.　10:11:37 15　A.　(Witness complies.)　10:11:39 16　Q.　And tell me if you recognize this document.　10:11:42 17　A.　Yes.　10:11:46 18　Q.　Okay. This is a document that you helped　10:11:50 19　create and submitted with an affidavit, isn't it?　10:11:57 20　A.　What do you mean I created, sir?　10:12:01 21　Q.　Well, let me withdraw that question.　10:12:08 22　You said that you recognized this document.　10:12:11 23　What is it?　10:12:13 24　A.　It is a director and officer register.　10:12:14 25　Q.　For Golden Spring (New York) Limited?　10:12:19 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 69 of 1　A. Yes.　10:12:23 2　Q. Did you create this document?　10:12:24 3　A. I don't recall. It should be prepared by --　10:12:26 4　I don't recall.　10:12:37 5　Q. Give me just one moment, please.　10:12:37 6　MR. HARBACH: Sorry for the -- the delay,　10:13:55 7　y'all, but hopefully I've just saved us a little　10:13:58 8　time.　10:14:02 9　BY MR. HARBACH:　10:14:04 10　Q. I'm going to ask you to put aside Exhibit 3,　10:14:05 11　and I'll come back to that a little later.　10:14:08 12　Okay?　10:14:12 13　A. Yes.　10:14:12 14　Q. When -- when you were working for　10:14:13 15　Golden Spring (Hong Kong), did you have any titles?　10:14:28 16　A. I don't recall. Too many years ago.　10:14:35 17　Q. What were your duties at Golden Spring　10:14:42 18　(Hong Kong)?　10:14:45 19　MR. ROSEN: Objection. This -- can you　10:14:47 20　please point to which topic on 30(b)(6) that　10:14:50 21　a corporate witness of Golden Spring (New York) that　10:14:55 22　this would -- this would be appropriate to?　10:14:59 23　MR. HARBACH: Again, I'm exploring her　10:15:01 24　competency to testify as a representative of　10:15:04 25　Golden Spring (New York) by reference to her prior　10:15:07 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 70 of 280 1　experience and its relationship to her current　10:15:10 2　titles.　10:15:13 3　MR. ROSEN: I'll let the objection stand.　10:15:16 4　But you can answer the question.　10:15:19 5　BY MR. HARBACH:　10:15:22 6　Q. The question, Ms. Wang, was what were your　10:15:23 7　duties at Golden Spring (Hong Kong)?　10:15:25 8　A. I took instruction from the owner of　10:15:28 9　company, Mr. Qiang Guo, and worked for him.　10:15:34 10　Q. Did you -- doing what?　10:15:42 11　A. Doing the task that he request me to do.　10:15:46 12　I don't recall. It is too many years ago.　10:15:52 13　Q. You -- you -- you don't recall what your　10:15:54 14　tasks were?　10:15:56 15　A. It is pretty diversified.　10:15:58 16　Q. Okay. Do you recall whether when you were　10:16:04 17　working for Golden Spring (Hong Kong) you did any　10:16:15 18　work for Mr. Ho Wan Kwok?　10:16:20 19　A. I'm sorry.　10:16:21 20　Sir, what is your question?　10:16:22 21　Q. When you were working for Golden Spring　10:16:24 22　Hong Kong, did you do any work for Mr. Ho Wan Kwok?　10:16:30 23　A. I don't recall.　10:16:32 24　Q. Who appointed you to be president,　10:16:33 25　secretary, treasurer, and a director of Golden Spring　10:16:45 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 71 of 1 (New York) Limited? 10:16:51 2 A. I was appointed by Mr. Qiang Guo. 10:16:52 3 Q. When he appointed you to those positions, 10:16:56 4 what did he tell you your duties would be? 10:17:00 5　A. I was appointed, and he -- he requested me　10:17:03 6　to operate -- to run Golden Spring (New York), his　10:17:14 7　company, as general.　10:17:19 8　Q. Tell me what you mean by as general.　10:17:21 9　A. I mean any task, assignment as the owner of　10:17:25 10　company, himself, he requested to do that I will work　10:17:34 11　for him.　10:17:39 12　Q. When you assumed the role of president,　10:17:40 13　secretary, treasurer, and director of Golden Spring　10:17:56 14　(New York), did you have any financial professional　10:18:02 16　A. What do you mean, financial professional　10:18:07 17　knowledge, sir?　10:18:14 18　Q. Let's go back to Exhibit 1.　10:18:15 15 knowledge? 10:18:05 19　A.　(Witness complies.)　10:18:18 20　Q.　Correction. Sorry.　10:18:24 21　Exhibit 2.　10:18:27 22　A.　(Witness complies.)　10:18:28 23　Q.　Page forty-seven.　10:18:35 24　A.　(Witness complies.)　10:18:39 25　Q.　Actually, you might need to look a bit　10:18:51 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 72 of 280 1　earlier on to forty-six.　10:18:55 2　Tell me when you are there.　10:18:59 3　A. I am on page forty-six.　10:19:01 4　Q. Okay. At the bottom of page forty-six there　10:19:03 5　is an answer that begins -- and it was in response to　10:19:07 6　a question about some exhibit you were being shown.　10:19:11 7　In the course of your answer, which goes on to page　10:19:15 8　forty-seven, you say, among other things:　10:19:19 9　"ANSWER: I am administrator to　10:19:22 10　Golden Spring. This is not my choice because　10:19:24 11　Chinese Communist party, they kidnap almost　10:19:27 12　all my colleague, between me and the company;　10:19:32 13　so my background, I do not have financial　10:19:35 14　professional knowledge. I do not have　10:19:38 15　American real estate professional knowledge."　10:19:41 16　And your answer goes on.　10:19:44 17　But I have just read the two sentences that　10:19:47 18　I am interested in for my question because my　10:19:49 19　question to you was when you assumed the roles of　10:19:52 20　president, secretary, treasurer, and director of　10:19:55 21　Golden Spring (New York) Limited, did you have any　10:20:00 22　financial professional knowledge?　10:20:04 23　What is the answer?　10:20:10 24　A. These deposition happened in which year,　10:20:11 25　sir? 2018 or '19?　10:20:17 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 73 of 280 1　Q. The transcript that I just read from was not　10:20:21 2　a deposition. It was testimony in court, and it was　10:20:23 3　in May of 2019.　10:20:28 4　A. Okay.　10:20:32 5　Q. But these -- these appear to have been your　10:20:32 6　words, and so that is why I asked the question.　10:20:35 7　A. So back to 2019, my testifying -- my　10:20:39 8　testimony was correct. I mean, the entire --　10:20:44 9　Mr. Qiang Guo, his family business, including his　10:20:50 10　employees, were all persecuted. They are either　10:20:53 11　arrested, kidnapped, or disappeared. I was one of　10:21:00 12　the survivor by then. That was correct.　10:21:04 13　And then when I testified back to 2019,　10:21:07 14　I said I don't have -- that was -- I am humble;　10:21:10 15　right? So that was my testimony -- test- --　10:21:18 16　testimony. And then now in 2022, I mean, I could　10:21:21 17　learn lots in three years; right?　10:21:26 18　Q. Of course.　10:21:29 19　A. So --　10:21:29 20　Q. Of course.　10:21:29 21　A. -- that doesn't mean I don't have anything　10:21:29 22　for now --　10:21:31 23　Q. Of course.　10:21:32 24　A. -- to testify in this bankruptcy, you know,　10:21:32 25　deposition.　10:21:35 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 74 of 1　Q. Yeah. I understand that -- that three years　10:21:35 2　have passed. My question isn't about today.　10:21:38 3　My question is about the day when you were　10:21:43 4　appointed to be president, secretary, treasurer, and　10:21:47 5　director of Golden Spring (New York). I'm asking　10:21:53 6　about that day.　10:21:56 7　And my question is as of that day, did you　10:21:59 8　have any financial professional knowledge?　10:22:03 9　A. What kind of financial professional　10:22:08 10　knowledge you are looking for back to three years　10:22:13 11　ago, sir?　10:22:15 12　Q. They were your words, Ms. Wang. You said,　10:22:16 13　I do not have financial professional knowledge.　10:22:21 14　I don't know what you meant. That would be a good　10:22:26 15　question, but it is what you said; so that is why　10:22:28 16　I used those words in asking you. It is a simple　10:22:33 17　question.　10:22:36 18　All I'm asking is at the time you assumed　10:22:38 19　all of those titles at Golden Spring (New York), did　10:22:41 20　you have any financial professional knowledge? Yes　10:22:44 21　or no?　10:22:49 22　A. When I say I didn't -- when I said I don't　10:22:54 23　have, as I repeat again, that is our culture -- our　10:22:58 24　culture, Chinese culture. I was humble to say　10:23:05 25　I don't have professional knowledge.　10:23:09 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 75 of 1 Q. I understand. 10:23:11 2　A. English is not my mother language. I do not　10:23:12 3　mean that I know nothing about financial, if that is　10:23:15 4　the answer you are looking for, sir.　10:23:20 5　Q. All I'm looking for is the truth, first of　10:23:22 6　all.　10:23:25 7　Second, I am not asking you to be humble or　10:23:26 8　proud. I'm just asking you to be honest.　10:23:31 9　A. I am.　10:23:34 10　Q. So similarly, I mean, you were under oath　10:23:34 11　when you testified in court, and I think the　10:23:38 12　expectation would have been that you be honest then　10:23:40 13　as well.　10:23:43 14　A. I was.　10:23:44 15　Q. Okay. So I wasn't there that day. All　10:23:45 16　I have is the transcript. And I'm just being -- I'm　10:23:48 17　being honest with you. That is the reason for my　10:23:52 18　question is because I saw that you said that you　10:23:54 19　don't have any financial professional knowledge.　10:23:58 20　So I suppose the question is if you were　10:24:01 21　just being humble back in 2019, do you mean to say　10:24:05 22　that you, in fact, did have financial professional　10:24:10 23　knowledge when you were appointed to all of those　10:24:14 24　positions at Golden Spring? Is that what you were　10:24:16 25　trying to say?　10:24:20 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 76 of 280 1　A. I am not trying to say anything. My　10:24:20 2　testimony -- back to 2019, that was my testimony, and　10:24:23 3　that -- I stay with that. That is a -- true and　10:24:27 4　accurate information, sir. And regarding right now　10:24:31 5　what are you looking for after three years, I do not　10:24:34 6　understand, and I will do my best to help you.　10:24:38 7　Q. Okay. Same question about the next sentence　10:24:40 8　on the transcript, which says:　10:24:44 9　"I do not have American real estate　10:24:46 10　professional knowledge."　10:24:49 11　Was that true when you said those words in　10:24:50 12　2019?　10:24:53 13　A. It is correct. I am not real -- realtor.　10:24:55 14　I am not a licensed realtor; right? That was　10:25:00 15　correct.　10:25:03 16　Q. Okay. So it is correct that at least as of　10:25:06 17　May of 2019 you did not have American real estate　10:25:09 18　professional knowledge --　10:25:14 19　A. Correct.　10:25:15 20　Q. -- correct?　10:25:16 21　A. I don't have a license at all by then.　10:25:16 22　Q. Next question.　10:25:19 23　Is it true that in your capacity as　10:25:29 24　president of Golden Spring (New York) Limited you　10:25:36 25　serve as an administrator for the interests of　10:25:42 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 77 of 280 1　Mr. Ho Wan Kwok and his family?　10:25:46 2　MR. ROSEN: Objection. Calls for a legal　10:25:51 3　conclusion.　10:25:52 4　You can answer that.　10:25:53 5　THE WITNESS: I need interpreter help me.　10:25:56 6　I don't understand your question, sir.　10:25:59 7　MR. HARBACH: Okay. But before we -- before　10:26:01 8　we go there -- actually, let -- let's -- Sunny, if　10:26:03 9　you don't mind, I will ask the question again. And　10:26:09 10　I'm -- I'm sorry to refer to you by your first name.　10:26:12 11　That is unprofessional. Sorry. Ms. Johnston.　10:26:15 12　BY MR. HARBACH:　10:26:15 13　Q. Ms. Wang, the question is in your capacity　10:26:20 14　as president of Golden Spring (New York) Limited,　10:26:23 15　isn't it true that you serve as an administrator for　10:26:30 16　the interests of Mr. Kwok -- Mr. Ho Wan Kwok and his　10:26:35 17　family?　10:26:40 18　MR. ROSEN: I'll repeat the objection.　10:26:43 19　You can answer the question.　10:26:46 20　MR. HARBACH: (Interprets question.)　10:27:15 21　THE CHECK INTERPRETER: The check　10:27:15 22　interpreter heard Mr. Kwok and Mr. Ho Wan Kwok and　10:27:16 23　his family.　10:27:20 24　MR. HARBACH: That is correct.　10:27:21 25　That was the question.　10:27:22 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 78 of 1 THE CHECK INTERPRETER: Yes. 10:27:24 2 But not Wengui Guo; right? 10:27:25 3 MR. HARBACH: That -- 10:27:29 4 THE INTERPRETER: That is his Mandarin name, 10:27:29 5 Ho Wan Kwok. The Mandarin is Wengui Guo. 10:27:36 6 THE CHECK INTERPRETER: But, I mean, the 10:27:42 7 counsel said Ho Wan Kwok. 10:27:43 8 MR. HARBACH: Yes. 10:27:45 9　The reason that counsel said Ho Wan Kwok was　10:27:45 10　because the witness said that is how she knows the　10:27:48 11　debtor. I asked her earlier whether she knew the　10:27:51 12　name Wengui Guo, and she said she knows him as　10:27:56 13　Ho Wan Kwok; so that is why I used that name.　10:28:01 14　THE INTERPRETER: Yes.　10:28:03 15　MR. HARBACH: But we can clear this -- we　10:28:05 16　can clear this up now, Ms. Wilkinson.　10:28:06 17 THE CHECK INTERPRETER: Okay. 10:28:08 18 BY MR. HARBACH: 10:28:08 19 Q. Ms. Wang, what name would you prefer to use 10:28:08 20 going forward to refer to Mr. Qiang Guo's father? 10:28:12 21 A. Mr. Ho Wan Kwok. 10:28:18 22 Q. Very good. 10:28:19 23 A. That is the debtor; right? That is the 10:28:20 24 debtor's name. 10:28:21 25 Am I right. 10:28:23 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 79 of 1 Q. You are right. That is correct. 10:28:24 2 A. Let's go with it, yeah. Uh-huh. 10:28:25 3 Q. So would you like Ms. Johnston to repeat the 10:28:27 4 question in Chinese for you, ma'am? 10:28:30 5 A. Yes, please. 10:28:32 6 Q. Okay. 10:28:34 7 THE INTERPRETER: Mr. Harbach, can you just 10:28:37 8 repeat the question one more time, please. 10:28:39 9 MR. HARBACH: Sure. No problem. 10:28:42 13 it instead of saying the Mandarin name. 10:28:54 10　THE INTERPRETER: Just so you know, the　10:28:46 11　interpreter does not speak Cantonese; so I will just　10:28:48 12　re- -- I will just say the name the way you pronounce　10:28:53 14 MR. HARBACH: Okay. That -- that's fine. 10:28:57 15 And, obviously, I speak neither; so I will rely on 10:28:59 16 you all. 10:29:02 17 BY MR. HARBACH: 10:29:03 18 Q. So here is the question. 10:29:03 19 In your capacity as president of 10:29:05 20 Golden Spring (New York) Limited, isn't it true that 10:29:07 21 you serve as an administrator for the interests of 10:29:12 22 Mr. Ho Wan Kwok and his family? 10:29:18 23 MR. ROSEN: Objection. 10:29:23 24 You may answer. 10:29:25 25 THE WITNESS: (Through Interpreter) Well, 10:29:59 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 80 of 280 1　first of all, I don't know what you meant by the word　10:30:07 2　administrator.　10:30:10 3　And, second, I worked for Mr. Qiang Guo.　10:30:11 4　MR. HARBACH: Is that the end of the answer,　10:30:22 5　Ms. Johnston?　10:30:23 6　THE INTERPRETER: Yes, it was.　10:30:25 7　MR. HARBACH: Okay. Thank you.　10:30:27 8　BY MR. HARBACH:　10:30:28 9　Q. Let's take a look now at Exhibit 4.　10:30:28 10　(Deposition Exhibit Number 4　10:30:31 11　was marked for identification.)　10:30:35 12　THE WITNESS: (Witness complies.)　10:30:35 13　BY MR. HARBACH:　10:30:57 14　Q. Okay. I have got it, Ms. Wang. I hope you　10:30:57 15　do too.　10:31:00 16　A. (In English) Yes.　10:31:01 17　I am here.　10:31:03 18　Q. Very good.　10:31:04 19　Open up Exhibit 4, please.　10:31:05 20　A. Yes.　10:31:07 21　Q. And the first thing I want to do is go to　10:31:07 22　the very last page.　10:31:10 23　A. (Witness complies.)　10:31:12 24　Q. Are you there?　10:31:14 25　A. Yes.　10:31:15 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 81 of 1　Q.　Is that your signature on the top right of　10:31:15 2　Exhibit 4?　10:31:19 3　A.　Sorry, sir.　10:31:25 4　You mean Exhibit 4; right?　10:31:26 5　Q.　Yes, sir -- or excuse me. Yes, ma'am.　10:31:28 6　A.　Okay. I opened the wrong one.　10:31:33 7　Q.　Okay.　10:31:35 8　A.　So let me go back.　10:31:35 9　Exhibit 4, you mean the director and officer　10:31:37 10　register?　10:31:40 11　Q.　No. No. No.　10:31:41 12　A.　Okay. That's --　10:31:44 13　Q.　This is the one that says exhibit, and then　10:31:44 14　it has the number next to it, four.　10:31:47 15　A.　Okay.　10:31:50 16　Q.　So when you open that up, the first page　10:31:51 17　says affidavit of Yan Ping Wang.　10:31:54 18　Let me know if you have the right document.　10:31:58 19　A.　Yes.　10:32:01 20　Q.　Good.　10:32:01 21　Now go to the last page of it, please. That　10:32:02 22　is page three.　10:32:05 23　A.　(Witness complies.)　10:32:06 24　Yes.　10:32:06 25　Q.　My question to you is is that signature on　10:32:07 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 82 of 1　the top right-hand corner of page three of Exhibit 4　10:32:12 2　yours?　10:32:16 2　yours?　10:32:16 3　A.　Yes.　10:32:17 4　Q.　Okay. Now let's go back to page one.　10:32:18 5　A.　(Witness complies.)　10:32:21 6　Q.　And you can see that this is an affidavit　10:32:21 7　that you signed and that was filed in the　10:32:26 8　Supreme Court of the State of New York on May 16th of　10:32:28 9　2018.　10:32:32 10　Do you see that?　10:32:34 11　A.　Yes.　10:32:35 12　Q.　Okay. Now, I also note that on page　10:32:40 13　three -- sorry to keep jerking you around.　10:32:43 14　Could you please go to page three.　10:32:47 15　A.　The last page; right?　10:32:50 16　Q.　Yes, ma'am.　10:32:54 17　A.　(Witness complies.)　10:32:55 18　Yes.　10:32:55 19　I am here.　10:32:56 20　Q.　You will see above the notary public's　10:32:56 21　signature that it indicates that it was sworn on　10:32:59 22　May 15th of 2018.　10:33:02 23　Do you see that there?　10:33:04 24　A.　Yes.　10:33:05 25　Q.　Okay. Now go back to page one for me.　10:33:08 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 83 of 280 1　A. (Witness complies.)　10:33:11 2　Q. Tell me when you are there.　10:33:14 3　A. Yes.　10:33:17 4　Q. The very first sentence of your dep- --　10:33:18 5　excuse me. Of this affidavit says:　10:33:23 6　"I am the president of Golden Spring　10:33:26 7　(New York) Limited, and in that capacity　10:33:28 8　serve as an administrator for the interests　10:33:32 9　of the defendant sued herein as Kwok Ho　10:33:35 10　Wan" --　10:33:35 11　And then there follows several akas.　10:33:42 12　-- "and his family," period.　10:33:46 13　Do you see that sentence?　10:33:48 14　A. Yes.　10:33:52 15　Q. So I'll ask you to tell me what being an　10:33:52 16　administrator of the interests of Mr. Kwok Ho Wan and　10:34:00 17　his family means, because they are your words.　10:34:12 18　A. This is drafted by the attorneys also; so in　10:34:16 19　my understanding, an administrator, these words --　10:34:20 20　as, again, I am not native speaker at all -- means　10:34:25 21　that I work for Golden Spring and take instruction　10:34:30 22　from owner of Golden Spring to work out the　10:34:32 23　assignment and task Golden Spring request me to do is　10:34:39 24　what I mean in here.　10:34:43 25 Q. How many affidavits do you think you have 10:34:44 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 84 of 1　signed in your lifetime?　10:34:48 2　A. I don't recall.　10:34:50 3　Q. More than five?　10:34:52 4　A. I don't recall.　10:34:55 5　Q. More than twenty-five?　10:34:57 6　A. I don't recall.　10:34:59 7　Q. Maybe more than fifty?　10:35:01 8　A. I don't recall.　10:35:04 9　Q. Do you know what -- what an affidavit is?　10:35:08 10　A. What do you mean, do I know what affidavit　10:35:12 11　is?　10:35:17 12　Q. Do you know what an affidavit is? Do you　10:35:18 13　know what the word means?　10:35:20 14　A. I don't understand your question.　10:35:23 15　MR. HARBACH: Ms. Johnston, can you please　10:35:30 16　translate.　10:35:33 17　Do you know what an affidavit is?　10:35:34 18　THE INTERPRETER: (Interprets question.)　10:35:47 19　THE WITNESS: So I don't understand your　10:35:47 20　question. All I have done in that I work for　10:35:58 21　Golden Spring (New York) Limited. I am not native　10:36:01 22　speaker. I am definitely not legal person either;　10:36:01 23　right?　10:36:01 24　So like, I just to be here, and then what　10:36:06 25　being before there to tell the legal all the truthful　10:36:07 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 85 of 1　information as best of my capacity and as best of my　10:36:11 2　knowledge --　10:36:15 3　BY MR. HARBACH:　10:36:16 4　Q. Okay.　10:36:16 5　A. -- is what I can say.　10:36:16 6　Q. Okay.　10:36:18 7　A. I don't know what you are looking for.　10:36:18 8　I mean, if you are looking for words in the　10:36:20 9　dictionary, I don't know what you are looking for.　10:36:22 10　Q. I'm asking you if you know what an affidavit　10:36:24 11　is.　10:36:27 12　A. Affidavit is a legal paperwork.　10:36:28 13　Q. Okay. And do you understand that an　10:36:30 14　affidavit is a piece of legal paperwork where　10:36:34 15　a person provides testimony that is sworn under oath?　10:36:38 16　A. Yes.　10:36:46 17　Q. Okay. And you told me a moment ago you --　10:36:47 18　actually, I want to be fair.　10:36:51 19　You don't -- you don't know how many　10:36:54 20　affidavits you may have done in the past; is that　10:36:56 21　correct?　10:37:01 22　A. I don't recall. Like, why should I recall　10:37:02 23　how many of them? I mean --　10:37:08 24　Q. I'm not -- I'm not suggesting --　10:37:10 25　A. I don't work in a law firm; right?　10:37:12 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 86 of 1　Q. I'm not --　10:37:14 2　A. So why should I recall?　10:37:14 3　Q. I'm not suggesting whether you should or you　10:37:16 4　shouldn't. All I'm asking is whether you know how　10:37:19 5　many affidavits you have prepared in your life.　10:37:23 6　And I understood your answer to be that you　10:37:26 7　do not know; is that right?　10:37:29 8　A. Sir, now you are asking in my life. I don't　10:37:31 9　recall. That is my answer.　10:37:36 10　Q. Okay. That is fine. That is all I'm　10:37:38 11　asking.　10:37:41 12　You have told me that you understand an　10:37:43 13　affidavit to be a legal document where a person　10:37:46 14　provides testimony that is sworn under oath; is that　10:37:51 15　right?　10:37:55 16　A. The sentence which you read me through, this　10:37:58 17　was I signed back to 2018. And then now as　10:38:01 18　April 2020 [sic] of course I couldn't remember that,　10:38:08 19　like, four years ago almost.　10:38:15 20　Q. But --　10:38:17 21　A. But I do know that that is a legal　10:38:17 22　paperwork. I gave all my truthful and honest　10:38:19 23　information in that paperwork. This I am testifying　10:38:22 24　right now.　10:38:25 25　Q. Okay. And so when you signed this affidavit　10:38:26 Veritext Legal Solutions 866 299-5127 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 87 of 280 1　in May of 2018, it was truthful when you signed it;　10:38:29 2　is that correct?　10:38:39 3　A. When I signed and I gave all my truthful　10:38:41 4　information.　10:38:47 5　Q. Was this -- this affidavit that is Exhibit 4　10:38:49 6　that we're looking at, was it true when you signed it　10:38:53 7　and swore to it?　10:38:58 8　A. I signed affidavit back to 2018 of this　10:39:03 9　one. That is my best and truthful knowledge and　10:39:07 10　information I gave.　10:39:12 11　Q. Is that a "yes"?　10:39:14 12　A. I answered your question, sir, already.　10:39:17 13　Q. Well, I'm going to ask it one more time.　10:39:20 14　I think you may have, but I want to ask it one more　10:39:24 15　time just to make sure we are clear.　10:39:28 16　Was this affidavit -- that is, Exhibit 4 --　10:39:30 17　true at the time that you signed it?　10:39:32 18　A. What do you mean, at the time when I signed　10:39:37 19　it? I mean, I signed it as true back in 2018.　10:39:46 20　Q. Right.　10:39:51 21　And -- and here's the -- here's the problem.　10:39:51 22　Just a few minutes ago, when I asked you about the　10:39:55 23　first sentence of Exhibit 4, you said something about　10:39:59 24　this document being prepared by lawyers and that　10:40:02 25　English isn't your first language and that -- and so　10:40:06 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 88 of 280 1　that is why I'm asking these questions so that I can　10:40:12 2　understand whether what is written on the page here　10:40:15 3　is your truthful testimony or not.　10:40:19 4　A. So　10:40:27 5　Q. All I can do is ask you -- let me finish my　10:40:29 6　question.　10:40:33 7　I don't know what is in your brain. All　10:40:33 8　I can do is ask questions. You have told me that you　10:40:36 9　signed this document. You have told me that you　10:40:39 10　understand it is an affidavit. You have told me what　10:40:41 11　you understand an affidavit to be.　10:40:45 12　And so now all I'm asking you is whether　10:40:50 13　this particular affidavit was true when you signed　10:40:53 14　it. That is a yes, no, I don't know, or I don't　10:40:59 15　remember question.　10:41:06 16　A. This is several questions, sir. I cannot　10:41:11 17　only answer one yes or one no.　10:41:14 18　Q. Sure you can. It is a single question. The　10:41:17 19　answer can be either yes, it could be no, it could be　10:41:21 20　I don't know, or it could be I don't remember.　10:41:25 21　A. The affidavit --　10:41:32 22　Q. Do you need me to ask the question one more　10:41:33 23　time?　10:41:36 24　A. The affidavit, which I signed back to 2018,　10:41:36 25　was drafted by attorney, yes. My language -- English　10:41:39 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 89 of 280 1　is not my native language, yes. I signed affidavit　10:41:45 2　back to 2018. That is a truthful information as best　10:41:50 3　of my knowledge. By then, when I signed my name in　10:41:53 4　there, yes.　10:41:57 5　I'm testifying right now to explain and let　10:41:58 6　you know all of those yes and no, that is my truthful　10:42:02 7　testimony by now, yes. This is all my yes and no　10:42:06 8　answer, sir.　10:42:10 9　Q. At the time that you signed Exhibit 4, did　10:42:11 10　you understand it?　10:42:14 11　A. Understand what?　10:42:18 12　Q. Did you understand what you were signing?　10:42:19 13　A. The affidavit.　10:42:22 14　Q. Were you able to read it and understand what　10:42:24 15　it said?　10:42:27 16　A. I don't understand your question. What --　10:42:31 17　you are asking my recollection back to 2018?　10:42:35 18　Q. You --　10:42:38 19　A. I don't recall.　10:42:38 20　Q. You don't recall whether when you signed　10:42:38 21　this affidavit you understood what it said?　10:42:41 22　A. It is four years ago, sir. I don't recall　10:42:46 23　the details by then.　10:42:49 24　Q. Do you make a habit of signing affidavits　10:42:51 25　under oath when you don't understand what they say --　10:42:55 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 90 of 280 1　with- -- withdrawn.　10:42:58 2　MR. HARBACH: Scott, you don't have to　10:43:01 3　object.　10:43:02 4　BY MR. HARBACH:　10:43:03 5　Q. Do you recall whether this affidavit was　10:43:04 6　translated for you?　10:43:06 7　A. I don't recall. Again, like, it is three or　10:43:07 8　four years ago. I don't recall.　10:43:11 9　Q. When was the last affidavit that you　10:43:16 10　executed, approximately?　10:43:26 11　MR. ROSEN: Objection.　10:43:28 12　We -- we have really got to move on, David.　10:43:30 13　This is --　10:43:34 14　MR. HARBACH: Listen, now, Scott. This is　10:43:35 15　nothing personal, obviously. I would love nothing　10:43:38 16　more than to move on, but I'm just trying to get the　10:43:40 17　witness to adopt what she swore to three years ago.　10:43:44 18　MR. ROSEN: All right. How is that relevant　10:43:51 19　to the 30(b)(6) deposition topics today?　10:43:53 20　MR. HARBACH: Oh, because it is squarely　10:43:56 21　within what her job is as president of Golden Spring　10:43:58 22　(New York). That is 100 percent within the scope of　10:44:02 23　what we're talking about here. She has told us about　10:44:05 24　all the titles that she has, and I'm exploring what　10:44:09 25　she does. And she has filed an affidavit saying that　10:44:13 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 91 of 280 1　her job is what we have read several times, and now　10:44:16 2　she doesn't want to answer that. She doesn't want to　10:44:20 3　own that; so I'm going to stop arguing, but it is　10:44:23 4　plainly relevant. Plainly relevant.　10:44:27 5　You can instruct her not to answer. You can　10:44:30 6　instruct her not to answer any question that mentions　10:44:33 7　Ho Wan Kwok if you want. But I'm going to stay right　10:44:36 8　here until I understand what was in this witness'　10:44:39 9　head when she signed this affidavit.　10:44:42 10　MR. ROSEN: Well, I think you have -- you　10:44:44 11　have pretty much established on the record that what　10:44:46 12　you are going for has nothing to do with this DIP　10:44:50 13　loan.　10:44:52 14　So I am going to instruct the witness not to　10:44:52 15　answer this question.　10:44:55 16　MR. HARBACH: Okay. I think we should take　10:44:56 17　a little break because, among other things, I need to　10:44:59 18　go to the restroom.　10:45:01 19　So can we please, Mr. Videographer, take ten　10:45:03 20　minutes.　10:45:06 21　THE VIDEOGRAPHER: We are going off the　10:45:06 22　record.　10:45:08 23　The time is 10:45.　10:45:08 24　(Short recess taken.)　10:45:10 25　THE VIDEOGRAPHER: We are back on the　11:00:21 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 92 of 280 record. 11:00:23 2 The time is 11:00 o'clock. 11:00:23 BY MR. HARBACH: 11:00:31 4 Q. Ms. Wang, before the break I was asking you 11:00:35 about Exhibit 4, which is an affidavit that you 11:00:37 signed in May of 2018. 11:00:43 7 MR. HARBACH: Scott, I confess, I do not 11:00:48 recall whether where we left off was with your 11:00:51 instructing the witness not to answer my question -- 11:00:54 any more questions about this. And let me -- and let 11:01:00 me just -- let me say before you answer that if you 11:01:04 let me answer one or two -- ask one or two more, I'll 11:01:07 move on. 11:01:13 14 MR. ROSEN: I appreciate that, and yeah. 11:01:14 Please -- I'll instruct the witness at this time to 11:01:18 answer the question. 11:01:22 17 MR. HARBACH: Okay. Thank you. 11:01:24 BY MR. HARBACH: 11:01:25 19 Q. So Ms. Wang, do you still have Exhibit 4 in 11:01:25 front of you? 11:01:30 21 A. Exhibit 4? Yes, sir. Yes. 11:01:32 22 Q. Okay. So again, reminding you that this 11:01:38 affidavit was signed in May 2018. 11:01:41 24 My question for you is is it true that in 11:01:45 May of 2018, as president of Golden Spring 11:01:51 Page 67 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 93 of 280 1　(New York), you served as an administrator for the　11:01:57 2　interests of Mr. Kwok Ho Wan and his family?　11:02:01 3　A. Yes.　11:02:07 4　As the language read in my affidavit, yes.　11:02:13 5　Q. Do you recall what you meant by an　11:02:16 6　administrator for the interests of Mr. Kwok Ho Wan　11:02:45 7　and his family?　11:02:49 8　A. The language in this affidavit was drafted　11:02:51 9　by attorney, and, in my understanding,　11:02:57 10　Golden Spring -- as per Mr. Qiang Guo's instruction,　11:03:03 11　Golden Spring, like, pay Mr. Ho Wan Kwok, like, his　11:03:10 12　lifestyle and then et cetera; so that was my　11:03:17 13　understanding.　11:03:21 14　Q. That was your understanding of your role?　11:03:22 15　Because that was what my question was about.　11:03:27 16　A. My role as president of Golden Spring or　11:03:31 17　administrator?　11:03:35 18　Q. Well, you have stated that as president, you　11:03:36 19　served as an administrator of Mr. Kwok　11:03:42 20　Ho Wan's interests.　11:03:46 21　And so I'm asking about whether what you　11:03:50 22　just described was your role in May of 2018.　11:03:54 23　A. I am the president of Golden Spring. I took　11:04:01 24　instruction from Mr. Qiang Guo and served as an　11:04:05 25　administrator -- administrator for his father.　11:04:09 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 94 of 280 1　Q. And was that true from the moment you began　11:04:13 2　working at Golden Spring?　11:04:17 3　A. Oh, sir, the moment -- again, you are asking　11:04:21 4　the time; right?　11:04:25 5　Q. Well, I'm asking whether what you just　11:04:27 6　described as your duties as an administrator, was　11:04:31 7　that true from the beginning, from when you first　11:04:38 8　started working at Golden Spring (New York)?　11:04:40 9　A. When I started working for Golden Spring　11:04:42 10　(New York), I did take instruction from Mr. Qiang Guo　11:04:52 11　to -- to serve, as I said, as administrator for his　11:04:54 12　father.　11:05:00 13　Q. And so that would have been in the spring of　11:05:00 14　2018, when you started working for Golden Spring　11:05:04 15　(New York); is that right?　11:05:07 16　A. Correct, sir.　11:05:10 17　Q. And how frequently did you communicate with　11:05:11 18　Mr. Qiang Guo during that time, say the spring of　11:05:16 19　2018?　11:05:22 20　A. I don't recall, but I do believe we -- we　11:05:24 21　talk as needed.　11:05:29 22　Q. Okay. Once a day?　11:05:30 23　A. I don't recall.　11:05:35 24　Q. Okay. Do you recall whether you talked to　11:05:36 25　him once a week?　11:05:39 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 95 of 280 1　A. I don't recall. As I said, we just talk as　11:05:43 2　needed. If, you know, we need to talk, we just talk.　11:05:47 3　Q. Okay.　11:05:51 4　A. I don't, like, calculate, yeah.　11:05:52 5　Q. No. I understand.　11:05:54 6　And I don't mean to be asking for a precise　11:05:56 7　calculation. I'm just trying to get a sense of how　11:05:58 8　often you talked to him.　11:06:02 9　When you talked to him, meaning　11:06:03 10　Mr. Qiang Guo, did you speak by phone? in person?　11:06:06 11　a mix?　11:06:12 12　A. Both.　11:06:15 13　Q. Okay. Hang on one second, please. Sorry　11:06:22 14　for the holdup.　11:06:58 15　How often did you communicate with　11:07:01 16　Mr. Ho Wan Kwok in the spring of 2018 to fulfill your　11:07:07 17　role, as you have described it?　11:07:13 18　A. I don't recall.　11:07:17 19　Q. Did you ever communicate with him?　11:07:18 20　A. Yes.　11:07:23 21　We did communicate.　11:07:26 22　Q. And was that in person?　11:07:27 23　A. Yes.　11:07:31 24　In person.　11:07:33 25　Q. Okay. And how frequently?　11:07:33 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 96 of 1　A.　I don't recall.　11:07:37 2　Q.　Okay. More than one a week?　11:07:40 3　A.　Sir, you are asking back to 2018, when　11:07:45 3　A. Sir, you are asking back to 2018, when　11:07:45 4　I start work for Golden Spring?　11:07:51 5　Q. Yes. Yes, ma'am. I am.　11:07:54 6　A. Oh, I don't recall.　11:07:57 7　Q. Okay. Let's see.　11:07:58 8　MR. HARBACH: Oh, thank you.　11:08:26 9　BY MR. HARBACH:　11:08:26 10　Q. My colleague reminds me, I meant to ask this　11:08:28 11　question.　11:08:32 12　When you started working at Golden Spring　11:08:32 13　(New York) in New York City, where did you reside?　11:08:37 14　I don't mean the -- the exact address, but where did　11:08:41 15　you reside?　11:08:45 16　MR. ROSEN: Objection. There are security　11:08:47 17　reasons that Ms. Wang does not want to give　11:08:51 18　a residence address.　11:08:54 19　Are you talking about a city or -- something　11:08:57 20　as general as a city or are you talking address?　11:09:00 21　MR. HARBACH: I'll -- I'll try and ask the　11:09:05 22　question in a way that avoids those concerns, Scott.　11:09:07 23　MR. ROSEN: Thank you.　11:09:11 24　BY MR. HARBACH:　11:09:12 25　Q. Ms. Wang, when you started working at　11:09:12 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 97 of 280 1 Golden Spring (New York) in New York City in 2018, 11:09:15 2 did you reside in the same location as 11:09:21 3 Mr. Ho Wan Kwok? 11:09:24 4 A. I lived in New York. 11:09:33 5 Q. Did you reside -- again, I'm not talking 11:09:34 6 about now. 11:09:41 7 I'm talking about in 2018, when you started 11:09:41 8 working at Golden Spring (New York), did you reside 11:09:46 9 in the same dwelling as Mr. Ho Wan Kwok? 11:09:51 10 A. Sir, what do you mean by dwelling? Do you 11:10:00 11 mean -- 11:10:03 12 Q. A house. 11:10:03 13 A. Is it -- 11:10:04 14 Q. Is it a house? an apartment? It doesn't 11:10:05 15 matter. 11:10:09 16 Did you live in the same home as 11:10:09 17 Mr. Ho Wan Kwok? 11:10:12 18 A. No. 11:10:12 19 Q. Have you ever been to the -- withdrawn. 11:10:19 20 Have you ever lived in the eighteenth floor 11:10:22 21 apartment of the Sherry-Netherland? 11:10:29 22 A. I visited there, sir. 11:10:33 23 Q. Fair enough. 11:10:36 24 I'm asking whether you have ever resided 11:10:36 25 there. 11:10:40 Page 72 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 98 of 280 1　A. What do you mean, reside? As in, like,　11:10:40 2　my -- my home? No.　11:10:45 3　Q. Okay. Have you ever stayed there for --　11:10:47 4　MR. HARBACH: And, Scott, this is my last　11:10:52 5　one.　11:10:54 6　BY MR. HARBACH:　11:10:55 7　Q. Have you ever stayed there for more than　11:10:55 8　a couple of weeks?　11:10:58 9　A. I don't recall.　11:10:59 10　Q. Okay. Can we turn now to -- back to　11:11:00 11　Exhibit 1.　11:11:20 12　A. (Witness complies.)　11:11:22 13　Q. Tell me when you have got it up, Ms. Wang.　11:11:28 14　A. Yes, I am.　11:11:35 15　Q. Okay. The cover page, just to help you　11:11:36 16　orient yourself, is dated October 11th, 2018, which　11:11:44 17　was the date of this deposition.　11:11:49 18　Okay?　11:11:52 19　A. Yes.　11:11:54 20　Q. All right. And so that is approximately --　11:11:54 21　I don't know -- six months after you started working　11:12:00 22　at Golden Spring (New York)?　11:12:03 23　A. And -- yes. Kind of.　11:12:11 24　Q. You said you started working in the spring　11:12:13 25　of 2018; so approximately six months.　11:12:16 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 99 of 280 1　Is that fair?　11:12:19 2　A. Yes.　11:12:20 3　Q. Okay. So let's go to page sixty.　11:12:21 4　A. (Witness complies.)　11:12:32 5　Q. And, again, looking at the little pages.　11:12:33 6　Tell me when you are there.　11:12:45 7　A. Yes.　11:12:50 8　Q. Okay. The very top of page sixty there is　11:12:50 9　a -- the tail end of a question and then a question　11:12:54 10　that begins on line two:　11:12:57 11　"QUESTION: Do you know Mileson Kwok?"　11:13:00 12　Your answer is:　11:13:04 13　"ANSWER: Yes."　11:13:05 14　The question:　11:13:06 15　"QUESTION: Is that Mr. Kwok's son?　11:13:06 16　"ANSWER: Yes.　11:13:09 17　"QUESTION: Have you ever met him in　11:13:11 18　person?　11:13:12 19　"ANSWER: Yes.　11:13:13 20　"QUESTION: Does he have any role at　11:13:14 21　Golden Spring?　11:13:17 22　"ANSWER: I don't know.　11:13:19 23　"QUESTION: You never interacted with　11:13:22 24　him in regard to any Golden Spring business?　11:13:24 25　"ANSWER: No."　11:13:28 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 100 of 280 1　Did I read that correctly?　11:13:36 2　A. Yes.　11:13:38 3　Q. Can you explain -- well, first of all, is　11:13:39 4　that true?　11:13:46 5　A. Well --　11:13:52 6　Q. Let's go through them -- let's go through　11:13:53 7　them one by one so we can be crystal clear. First　11:13:57 8　question:　11:14:01 9　"QUESTION: Do you know Mileson Kwong?"　11:14:01 10　Was that true in October 11th, 2018, you　11:14:09 11　knew Mileson Kwok? Was that true?　11:14:11 12　A. I was given a wrong impression back in 2018.　11:14:13 13　Like, I was thinking, like, Mileson go with Kwok　11:14:17 14　also. The reason why --　11:14:22 15　Q. I am --　11:14:22 16　A. -- I am --　11:14:24 17　Q. -- going to --　11:14:24 18　A. -- testifying --　11:14:24 19　Q. -- interrupt.　11:14:24 20　A. -- right now --　11:14:25 21　Q. Yeah.　11:14:25 22　A. -- I was corrected by Mr. Qiang Guo.　11:14:27 23　He purposely corrected me after -- I forget when. He　11:14:30 24　corrected me and said that he always go with　11:14:33 25　Mileson Kwok; so the testimony by then back in 2018　11:14:37 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 101 of 280 1　was accurate.　11:14:41 2　Q. Okay.　11:14:42 3　A. The testimony right now, after I was　11:14:43 4　corrected, is accurate also, sir.　11:14:45 5　Q. I see.　11:14:48 6　And so the -- the correction concerned his　11:14:49 7　name; right?　11:14:51 8　A. Yes.　11:14:52 9　Mr. Qiang Guo's name.　11:14:53 10　Q. Okay.　11:14:55 11　A. That is reason why I am insisting calling　11:14:56 12　him Mr. Qiang Guo; right?　11:15:00 13　So that is the accurate -- you know, his　11:15:00 14　official name.　11:15:04 15　Q. Understood.　11:15:04 16　A. That works better for me, yeah.　11:15:05 17　MR. HARBACH: And with apologies to the　11:15:07 18　reporter for interrupting. I'll try to do better.　11:15:10 19　BY MR. HARBACH:　11:15:13 20　Q. Next question on the deposition transcript　11:15:13 21　is:　11:15:16 22　"QUESTION: Is that Mr. Kwok's son?　11:15:17 23　"ANSWER: Yes."　11:15:20 24　So there is no question whether it is　11:15:22 25　Mileson Kwok or Qiang Guo.　11:15:25 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 102 of 280 1　We are talking about Mr. Kwok Ho Wan's son;　11:15:27 2　correct?　11:15:34 3　A. Correct.　11:15:34 4　Q. And Mr. Ho Wan Kwok has one, and only one,　11:15:35 5　son; correct?　11:15:40 6　A. Correct.　11:15:42 7　Q. Okay. Next question:　11:15:43 8　"QUESTION: Have you ever met him" --　11:15:47 9　Meaning who we're calling Qiang Guo.　11:15:51 10　-- "in person?"　11:15:54 11　Your answer was:　11:15:56 12　"ANSWER: Yes."　11:15:58 13　Was that true that you had met Qiang Guo in　11:16:01 14　person as of October 11th, 2018?　11:16:05 15　A. Yes.　11:16:07 16　Q. Okay. Next question:　11:16:07 17　"QUESTION: Does he, Qiang Guo, have any　11:16:17 18　role at Golden Spring?"　11:16:17 19　Your answer was you don't know.　11:16:19 20　Now, this is six months after you said you　11:16:22 21　started at Golden Spring. Months after what you　11:16:25 22　claim earlier were conversations with Mr. Qiang Guo　11:16:31 23　about your role and duties.　11:16:35 24　So why, six months after you started at　11:16:39 25　Golden Spring, did you say that you didn't know　11:16:42 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 103 of 280 1　whether he had any role?　11:16:46 2　A. That was after --　11:16:50 3　Q. Isn't that -- isn't that also true that you　11:16:52 4　did not know?　11:16:55 5　A. So sir, you finish your question; so can　11:17:02 6　I start to answer or you still have more, sir? I'll　11:17:06 7　wait until you finish.　11:17:09 8　Q. You -- thank you for waiting.　11:17:11 9　You can answer if you answer my question.　11:17:12 10　The question is is it true that as of　11:17:15 11　October 11th, 2018, you did not know whether　11:17:19 12　Qiang Guo had any role at Golden Spring? That is the　11:17:27 13　question.　11:17:30 14　A. Back to 2018, I don't know by then in my　11:17:33 15　understanding the role means employee or employees;　11:17:38 16　so by then I did not know whether he was employee or　11:17:43 17　not. But I do know he is the boss. He is the owner.　11:17:47 18　I do not know whether he is employee or not because　11:17:51 19　he was majorly handling the Golden Spring majority of　11:17:54 20　work by then. I only work and cooperate with him as　11:18:00 21　needed back in 2018.　11:18:05 22　Q. In 2018 you didn't say he was the boss? Six　11:18:07 23　months after you claimed to have started working with　11:18:13 24　him you didn't say he was the boss, did you?　11:18:16 25　A. I was not asked whether he was the boss or　11:18:19 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 104 of 280 1　not.　11:18:24 2　Q. You were asked whether he had any role?　11:18:24 3　A. Any role, in my understanding back to 2018,　11:18:27 4　as employee.　11:18:32 5　Q. Okay. How about the next question:　11:18:33 6　"QUESTION: You never interacted with　11:18:37 7　him in regards to any Golden Spring　11:18:39 8　business?"　11:18:43 9　That was the question you were asked, and　11:18:46 10　the answer you gave was:　11:18:48 11　"ANSWER: No."　11:18:51 12　My question for you right now is is it　11:18:52 13　true -- is it true that as of October 11th, 2018, you　11:18:55 14　had not interacted with Qiang Guo in regard to any　11:19:01 15　Golden Spring business? Is that true or not?　11:19:08 16　A. It is a correct answer because back in 2018,　11:19:13 17　Mr. Qiang Guo, he was the major person running　11:19:19 18　Golden Spring; so I didn't understand -- again,　11:19:22 19　English not my native language -- what is interacted　11:19:29 20　with. My understanding, by then he was running the　11:19:33 21　company. I just work for him as he needed. That is　11:19:35 22　my understanding; so -- which is correct.　11:19:38 23　Q. Right.　11:19:41 24　And you told me five minutes ago that you　11:19:41 25　had contact with him -- you didn't remember how　11:19:44 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 105 of 280 1　frequently -- and that it was -- I believe you said　11:19:47 2　a mix of by phone and in person.　11:19:51 3　Do you -- does that not count as interaction　11:19:59 4　in your mind?　11:20:02 5　A. Interact with him in Golden Spring business.　11:20:03 6　I mean, him and myself, we're friend also along the　11:20:06 7　way for so many years; so when you ask me five　11:20:11 8　minutes ago, I mean, we do, like, meet and talk as　11:20:14 9　needed. But the question back to 2018, it is asking　11:20:18 10　about interacted with him in regard to any　11:20:23 11　Golden Spring business, which my testify was true.　11:20:26 12　He was in charge of all the Golden Spring business　11:20:29 13　back to then. And I know I'm part of Golden Spring,　11:20:32 14　but, really, like, he -- he was the person running　11:20:36 15　the business.　11:20:39 16　Q. Ms. Wang, isn't it true that, in fact, you　11:20:40 17　were not interacting with Qiang Guo, certainly not in　11:20:46 18　2018, about Golden Spring business? Isn't that true?　11:20:51 19　A. Can you reframe your question again, sir?　11:20:56 20　Q. Isn't it true that in 2018 you, in fact,　11:21:01 21　were not interacting with Mr. Qiang Guo at all　11:21:05 22　related to anything Golden Spring was doing? Isn't　11:21:10 23　that the truth?　11:21:14 24　A. I don't recall. It is too long time ago,　11:21:15 25　and this deposition was conducted -- I don't believe　11:21:21 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 106 of 280 1　I had an interpreter by then.　11:21:25 2　Q. Isn't it also true that the boss of　11:21:27 3　Golden Spring (New York), when you started working　11:21:30 4　there, wasn't Qiang Guo; it was Mr. Ho Wan Kwok?　11:21:32 5　Isn't that true?　11:21:37 6　A. Golden Spring (New York)'s boss is always　11:21:38 7　Mr. Qiang Guo.　11:21:43 8　Q. Isn't it true that you have been a long-term　11:21:44 9　employee of Mr. Ho Wan Kwok?　11:21:53 10　A. I have been working for Mr. Qiang Guo,　11:22:00 11　himself, and his family.　11:22:04 12　Q. Yeah. I'm -- I'm not asking about　11:22:06 13　Mr. Qiang Guo. I'll ask the question again.　11:22:08 14　Isn't it true that you were a long-term　11:22:13 15　employee of Mr. Ho Wan Kwok?　11:22:18 16　A. I don't believe so. Mr. Ho Wan Kwok, he　11:22:23 17　never pay me or ever pays me or pay me at all.　11:22:25 18　Q. Does he tell you --　11:22:29 19　A. So I always work for Mr. Qiang Guo and his　11:22:31 20　business.　11:22:35 21　Q. Does Mr. Ho Wan Kwok ever tell you what to　11:22:35 22　do?　11:22:37 23　A. What do you mean, ever tell me what to -- if　11:22:38 24　they ask me for help, of course I will offer my help　11:22:42 25　to him.　11:22:45 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 107 of 280 1 Q. Does -- does Mr. Ho Wan Kwok ever give you 11:22:46 2 direction? 11:22:48 3 A. He ask for support and help, which I'm 11:22:49 4 always willing to do that for him. 11:22:55 5 Q. Does he ask -- ever ask you to go get 11:22:57 6 coffee? 11:23:00 7 A. I don't recall. 11:23:01 8 What do you mean? 11:23:03 9 Q. You don't -- you don't recall whether 11:23:05 10 Mr. Ho Wan Kwok has ever asked you to get coffee? 11:23:07 11 A. Sir, I mean, I don't recall. Just, like, 11:23:11 12 why I should recall someone ask me to get coffee; 11:23:15 13 right? 11:23:18 14 Q. Well, I don't -- I don't know. Maybe he has 11:23:19 15 asked you to get coffee hundreds of times. Maybe he 11:23:21 16 never has. All I can do is ask the question. 11:23:25 17 Do you recall -- 11:23:28 18 A. I don't recall that. 11:23:28 19 Q. -- if Mr. Ho Wan Kwok has ever asked you to 11:23:29 20 go get coffee? 11:23:32 21 A. I don't recall. 11:23:34 22 Q. Okay. What about to translate something for 11:23:34 23 him, meaning Mr. Ho Wan Kwok? Have you ever done 11:23:37 24 that for him? 11:23:40 25 A. Yes, I did. 11:23:41 Page 82 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 108 of 280 1　Q.　How frequently?　11:23:42 2　A.　I don't recall.　11:23:44 3　Q.　More than once?　11:23:48 4　A.　Yes.　11:23:50 5　More than once.　11:23:51 6　Q.　Okay. When was the last time you translated　11:23:52 7　something for Mr. Ho Wan Kwok?　11:23:55 8　A.　I don't recall.　11:23:57 9　Q.　Okay. Let's go to --　11:24:01 10　MR. HARBACH: What is 331? I can't see.　Is 11:24:08 11　that --　11:24:11 12　BY MR. HARBACH:　11:24:13 13　Q.　Okay. Let's go to Exhibit 2, please.　11:24:13 14　A.　(Witness complies.)　11:24:15 15　Q.　And I'll ask you -- do you have Exhibit 2,　11:24:23 16　Ms. Wang?　11:24:26 17　A.　Yes.　11:24:27 18　Q.　Okay. Can you go, please, to page　11:24:27 19　forty-eight.　11:24:32 20　A.　(Witness complies.)　11:24:34 21　Q.　Tell me when you are there.　11:24:46 22　A.　I'm working on it, sir. Forty-eight.　11:24:50 23　Q.　Yes, ma'am.　11:24:53 24　A.　Yes.　11:24:56 25　I am here.　11:24:56 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 109 of 280 1　Q. Okay. And so there is a long answer on page　11:24:57 2　forty-eight that goes from line twelve to line　11:25:02 3　twenty-three. And I'm not going to read the whole　11:25:06 4　thing, but I want to direct your attention to the　11:25:10 5　second half of that answer. It says:　11:25:15 6　"They are arrested and put in jail by　11:25:19 7　Chinese Communist party. And a lot of his　11:25:22 8　family member, including his son, his　11:25:26 9　daughter, niece, nephew, and his　11:25:28 10　sister-in-law, brothers, they were all　11:25:32 11　threatened, kidnapped, and put in jail　11:25:37 12　without any reason until now, including all　11:25:40 13　of his, like, long-term employee, just like　11:25:43 14　me."　11:25:47 15　So you are talking about Mr. Ho Wan Kwok　11:25:50 16　here; correct?　11:25:56 17　A. Can I read the entire from sentence twelve　11:25:58 18　until twenty-three?　11:26:04 19　Q. Absolutely. Take your time, read it to　11:26:05 20　yourself, and let me know when you are finished.　11:26:08 21　A. Thank you.　11:26:11 22　Okay. I finished it, sir.　11:27:12 23　Q. Thank you.　11:27:15 24　My question is the person who you were　11:27:15 25　talking about in this answer, who you refer to as he　11:27:18 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 110 of 280 1　and his, is Mr. Ho Wan Kwok; correct?　11:27:22 2　A. And reading from the language, of course,　11:27:28 3　this is by -- by the transcript court recorder.　11:27:33 4　Like, it -- reading from the language, it looks like　11:27:39 5　yes. But I am referring to -- as I am starting from　11:27:43 6　the Guo family, is not just his immediate family, the　11:27:47 7　entire Guo family.　11:27:52 8　Q. Yes.　11:27:53 9　And you said on line two:　11:27:54 10　"Mr. Kwok, Miles Kwok, he is number　11:27:56 11　seventh son of the whole family."　11:28:06 12　You are talking about the debtor,　11:28:07 13　Kwok Ho Wan; correct?　11:28:10 14　A. Correct.　11:28:12 15　Q. Okay. And then you describe all of his　11:28:12 16　relatives and the terrible things that happens to　11:28:16 17　them. And then you say that the people to whom that　11:28:21 18　happened include all of his, meaning　11:28:29 19　Mr. Kwok Ho Wan -- all of his long-term employee,　11:28:34 20　just like me; so this is the basis for my question　11:28:41 21　five minutes ago.　11:28:49 22　Isn't it true that you are a long-term　11:28:51 23　employee of Mr. Ho Wan Kwok? Is that true or not?　11:28:55 24　A. I am a long-term employee for the Guo　11:29:01 25　family. I mean, I didn't remember clearly what was　11:29:09 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 111 of 280 1　recorded in here. Like, obviously, I was never in　11:29:12 2　jail. I am under threatened, but I was not kidnapped　11:29:17 3　and in jail. I think it is still blamed to my broken　11:29:21 4　English back there. When I say long-term employee,　11:29:27 5　my real -- my meaning as the Guo family. I am　11:29:30 6　a long-term employee of Guo family.　11:29:32 7　Q. Who?　11:29:36 8　A. Mr. Ho Wan Kwok, he never hired me by　11:29:37 9　himself.　11:29:43 10　Q. Well, who -- who -- first, since you brought　11:29:43 11　it up, who was the person who hired you to work for　11:29:45 12　the Guo family?　11:29:49 13　A. It was a company. It was a company called　11:29:51 14　Pangu, P-a-n-g-u. Beijing Pangu.　11:29:53 15　Q. Yeah.　11:29:58 16　And who was the boss of Beijing Pangu when　11:29:59 17　you were hired to work for the Guo family?　11:30:03 18　A. You mean boss, like the owner?　11:30:07 19　Q. Well, you know, you can ascribe whatever　11:30:11 20　meaning you want to boss, Ms. Wang, but you seem to　11:30:14 21　understand that Qiang Guo is the boss of　11:30:17 22　Golden Spring; so you tell me.　11:30:19 23　A. Oh, understand.　11:30:21 24　So Beijing Pangu was owned by the Guo　11:30:22 25　families.　11:30:28 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 112 of 280 1　Q. Okay. So who was it --　11:30:29 2　MR. HARBACH: And -- and, Scott, I won't　11:30:32 3　stay here long, but she brought it up.　11:30:35 4　BY MR. HARBACH:　11:30:37 5　Q. Ms. Wang, who was it who told you at the　11:30:38 6　very beginning -- when you first started working for　11:30:41 7　the Guo family, who was it who told you you were　11:30:44 8　hired? Which person?　11:30:47 9　A. I was advised by the HR department, which　11:30:49 10　I couldn't recall. That was back in 20- -- 2008.　11:30:57 11　I couldn't recall. But I was informed by the HR　11:31:02 12　department I was hired.　11:31:06 13　Q. I'm going to apologize for rewinding just　11:31:07 14　for a moment back to an earlier topic. I'll try and　11:31:19 15　make this clear and efficient.　11:31:24 16　In Exhibit 4, which is your affidavit, you　11:31:32 17　recall that -- that I asked you several questions　11:31:46 18　about what being an administrator for　11:31:49 19　Mr. Ho Wan Kwok's interests meant? You with me?　11:31:52 20　A. Yes.　11:31:58 21　Q. Okay. So the reason I'm coming back to this　11:31:58 22　is because I neglected to point something else out to　11:32:02 23　you. And it is Exhibit 1; so could you turn to　11:32:07 24　Exhibit 1, please.　11:32:15 25　A. (Witness complies.)　11:32:17 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 113 of 280 1　So it is not Exhibit 2? You want me to go　11:32:23 2　back to Exhibit 1, sir; right?　11:32:26 3　Q. Yes, ma'am.　11:32:29 4　A. (Witness complies.)　11:32:32 5　I'm here.　11:32:33 6　Q. Okay. Thank you.　11:32:34 7　Now, could you please scroll forward on the　11:32:35 8　small pages to page forty-six.　11:32:38 9　A. (Witness complies.)　11:32:42 10　Yes.　11:32:52 11　Q. Okay. Very good.　11:32:53 12　Now, on this subject of what administrator　11:32:54 13　means, if you'll look down at line twenty of page　11:32:59 14　forty-six, you'll see a question:　11:33:06 15　"QUESTION: I'm asking you whether or　11:33:11 16　not you serve as an administrator for　11:33:12 17　Mr. Kwok's" --　11:33:17 18　That is Ho Wan Kwok -- for his interests.　11:33:18 19　And your answer was:　11:33:22 20　"ANSWER: Yes."　11:33:24 21　And then you were asked:　11:33:25 22　"QUESTION: What does that mean?"　11:33:27 23　And you said:　11:33:30 24　"ANSWER: Translator," comma,　11:33:31 25 "assistant." 11:33:33 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 114 of 280 1　Do you see that there?　11:33:36 2　A. Yes.　11:33:37 3　Q. Now, you have already told us that you --　11:33:38 4　you have, in fact, done some translation for　11:33:41 5　Mr. Kwok -- Mr. Ho Wan Kwok; right?　11:33:45 6　A. I translate for him -- translated for him,　11:33:48 7　yes.　11:33:52 8　Q. Yes.　11:33:53 9　And if -- you also said -- it also says that　11:33:53 10　you were his assistant.　11:34:00 11　Is that true?　11:34:01 12　A. I mean that I -- I testified as an　11:34:03 13　administrator for Mr. Ho Wan Kwok and I help him as　11:34:09 14　per Mr. Qiang Guo's instruction, including, like,　11:34:13 15　help him to translate, make him understand, include,　11:34:17 16　like, assist as he needs -- right? -- to support him.　11:34:22 17　It does not mean I have -- I have a title called　11:34:27 18　assistant; so if that is what you are looking for.　11:34:30 19　Q. Well --　11:34:32 20　A. My meaning was I help him to understand as　11:34:33 21　to language and support him as he needed as his son's　11:34:36 22　instruction.　11:34:40 23　Q. Okay. And so what does that mean, other　11:34:41 24　than the translation work, when you say that assisted　11:34:43 25　means support him as needed? What sorts of things　11:34:47 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 115 of 280 1　did you do for him back in 2018?　11:34:51 2　MR. ROSEN: Objection. Could -- can you　11:34:57 3　clarify, when you use the word you, are you referring　11:34:59 4　to Golden Spring, or are you referring to the witness　11:35:01 5　personally?　11:35:04 6　MR. HARBACH: That's fair, Scott.　11:35:06 7　I believe when -- when she was deposed in　11:35:08 8　2018, she was testifying in both her capacity as　11:35:11 9　a representative of Golden Spring and in her personal　11:35:16 10　capacity; so she is going to have to clarify that for　11:35:20 11　me.　11:35:24 12　MR. ROSEN: You can answer.　11:35:26 13　THE WITNESS: I don't recall.　11:35:29 14　BY MR. HARBACH:　11:35:29 15　Q. Okay. And in any case, your role as an　11:35:31 16　administrator for Mr. Ho Wan Kwok's interests, that,　11:35:35 17　according to you, was in your capacity as president　11:35:42 18　of Golden Spring (New York) Limited; correct?　11:35:46 19　A. I was requested by Mr. Qiang Guo to help　11:35:52 20　back in 2018; that is correct.　11:35:57 21　Q. Okay. Well, I want to make sure you　11:36:01 22　understand my question because since Mr. Rosen　11:36:04 23　helpfully raised capacity, I want to make sure we get　11:36:07 24　this correct.　11:36:11 25　Okay?　11:36:12 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 116 of 280 1　So bearing in mind that we are talking about　11:36:13 2　what being an administrator for Mr. Ho Wan Kwok's　11:36:18 3　interests means -- that is what we're talking　11:36:23 4　about -- I'm going to direct you back to Exhibit 1 --　11:36:26 5　correction. Exhibit 4 -- sorry.　11:36:31 6　A. So Exhibit 4, sir; right? Which one are we　11:36:36 7　talking about? Four?　11:36:41 8　Q. Yes, ma'am.　11:36:42 9　The number four.　11:36:46 10　A. I'm here.　11:36:48 11　Q. And this affidavit, which you have already　11:36:49 12　told us you signed and swore to as being true and　11:36:53 13　correct, states that you're serving as an　11:36:57 14　administrator for the interests of Mr. Ho Wan Kwok　11:37:02 15　and his family was in your capacity as president of　11:37:07 16　Golden Spring (New York) Limited; isn't that correct?　11:37:14 17　A. I was hired by Golden Spring (New York), and　11:37:23 18　I take instruction from the owner of Golden Spring　11:37:28 19　(New York). And I was available to support his　11:37:32 20　family, including his father. That is what the　11:37:36 21　capacity, to me, means in here.　11:37:40 22　Q. And -- and what you just described,　11:37:43 23　according to you, was in your capacity as president　11:37:45 24　of Golden Spring (New York) Limited; isn't that　11:37:50 25　right?　11:37:54 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 117 of 280 1　A. I don't understand, sir. I mean, capacity,　11:37:54 2　I am available. I am here. I offer my support as　11:38:02 3　Mr. Qiang Guo requested me to do. That is my　11:38:05 4　understanding about capacity. If that is the　11:38:08 5　capacity you are talking, that is the same, yes.　11:38:10 6　Q. Well, I hear you.　11:38:13 7　All I'm trying to confirm is that that was　11:38:15 8　what you were supposed to do, according to you, as　11:38:19 9　president of Golden Spring (New York) Limited was　11:38:23 10　translate for Mr. Kwok Ho Wan and cater to his　11:38:30 11　personal needs; is that right? Is that what you are　11:38:34 12　saying?　11:38:38 13　MR. ROSEN: Objection.　11:38:39 14　You -- you can answer.　11:38:40 15　THE WITNESS: Let me repeat again.　11:38:44 16　My capacity as president of Golden Spring　11:38:46 17　(New York) is to work as per the owner of company　11:38:49 18　requesting needs to me, including assist his father,　11:38:55 19　translate for his father, and that including here I'm　11:38:58 20　being deposed today; right?　11:39:02 21　And sign the affidavit. Including a lot of　11:39:05 22　things, I mean, if I may say, not only as you just　11:39:08 23　tried to describe me as assistant or translator, if　11:39:12 24　that is helpful to you, sir.　11:39:17 25　/// Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 118 of 280 11　: 3 1　BY MR. HARBACH:　11:39:18 2　Q. Well, translator and assistant, again,　11:39:18 3　Ms. Wang, those were your words, not mine. I just　11:39:22 4　read them to you from a transcript. And so all I'm　11:39:25 5　doing is trying to explore what your job as president　11:39:28 6　of Golden Spring (New York) Limited was. And you　11:39:31 7　have -- you have explained part of that to us,　11:39:34 8　I think. And I'm just trying to understand what　11:39:38 9　assistant means.　11:39:45 10　Besides being a translator, can you tell me　11:39:53 11　any more about that?　11:39:57 12　A. About what, sir?　11:39:58 13　Q. About what you meant when you said you were　11:39:59 14　Kwok Ho Wan's assistant.　11:40:04 15　A. That is what I -- that is -- that was not,　11:40:09 16　I mean, in my language. I mean, still I don't --　11:40:13 17　I don't have this as my native language when I named　11:40:19 18　that, which means I offered that support and service.　11:40:23 19　I don't have a title called translator or assistant.　11:40:26 20　Obviously --　11:40:31 21　Q. Which --　11:40:31 22　A. -- I don't have it, yeah; so I offered that　11:40:32 23　support.　11:40:33 24　Q. Okay.　11:40:33 25　A. This is what I'm meaning, if that is　11:40:34 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 119 of 280 1 helpful. 11:40:37 2 Q. Got it. 11:40:37 3 Tell me what -- now, what you just meant 11:40:38 4 right now when you said support. 11:40:40 5 Besides translation, what else? 11:40:42 6 A. For example, I am being deposed right now in 11:40:44 7 this bankruptcy. 11:40:51 8 Q. Okay. 11:40:53 9 A. This is as per Mr. Qiang Guo's instruction; 11:40:53 10 right? 11:40:57 11 And so.... 11:40:57 12 Q. Is your testimony -- I don't think this is 11:40:58 13 what you are saying, but I'll ask it anyway because 11:41:00 14 it is a fair inference from your words. 11:41:03 15 Is your testimony today in support of 11:41:06 16 Mr. Ho Wan Kwok? 11:41:08 17 MR. ROSEN: Objection. 11:41:11 18 You can answer that. 11:41:14 19 THE WITNESS: I am testimony -- I am testify 11:41:15 20 today for a bankruptcy like a -- I believe the topic 11:41:19 21 is about DIP loan; right? 11:41:24 22 BY MR. HARBACH: 11:41:27 23 Q. And I would love to get there, but we -- 11:41:27 24 we're -- well, let me just ask one more time. 11:41:29 25 I understand that you are not -- you are 11:41:32 Page 94 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 120 of 280 1　saying that assistant was not your title.　11:41:36 2　I understand that. I understand that your title was　11:41:39 3　all those titles I recited several times now at　11:41:42 4　Golden Spring (New York) Limited. And I also　11:41:46 5　understand that according to you, in your capacity as　11:41:50 6　president, you served as an administrator of the　11:41:54 7　interests of Mr. Ho Wan Kwok and the family.　11:41:58 8　You were asked at a deposition about what　11:42:04 9　serving as an administrator meant, and you said　11:42:07 10　translator and assistant. Now, we all know what　11:42:12 11　a translator is, and that is clear. It is clear that　11:42:18 12　you performed that service for Mr. Kwok.　11:42:21 13　All I'm trying to understand, Ms. Wang, is　11:42:24 14　what else you did for him, and so far the only thing　11:42:27 15　you have said is testify at this deposition.　11:42:31 16　Is there anything else?　11:42:33 17　A. Yes.　11:42:37 18　MR. ROSEN: Objection.　11:42:38 19　You can answer.　11:42:40 20　THE WITNESS: Yes.　11:42:42 21　BY MR. HARBACH:　11:42:43 22　Q. Okay. What else?　11:42:44 23　A. For example, Mr. Qiang Guo, obviously, he　11:42:47 24　instructed Golden Spring to pay his father's, like,　11:42:54 25　food, clothes, and, like, including this -- they call　11:43:01 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 121 of 280 1　the lifestyle -- I mean, take care of his father.　11:43:10 2　Q. When did he give you that instruction?　11:43:13 3　A. Oh, I don't recall. I should -- from long　11:43:16 4　time ago. I mean, son take care of the father.　11:43:22 5　I mean, that is kind of natural to me, so　11:43:25 6　Q. Well, I'm not going to quarrel with -- with　11:43:28 7　whether it is natural or not.　11:43:32 8　My only question is you just said that --　11:43:34 9　that Mr. Qiang Guo gave you the instruction that you　11:43:39 10　just recited.　11:43:43 11　And my question is when? You said a long　11:43:45 12　time ago? How long ago?　11:43:48 13　A. I don't recall.　11:43:51 14　Q. More than a month ago?　11:43:52 15　A. It should be longer than more than a month.　11:43:57 16　Q. Okay. Had he given you that instruction by　11:44:00 17　the time of your deposition in October of 2018?　11:44:03 18　A. I don't recall.　11:44:08 19　Q. Had he given you that instruction by the　11:44:08 20　time of your trial testimony in May of 2019?　11:44:12 21　A. I don't recall.　11:44:17 22　Q. Isn't it possible?　11:44:18 23　A. I don't recall.　11:44:23 24　Q. Well, did he give you that instruction　11:44:24 25　sometime in 2020?　11:44:33 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 122 of 280 1　A. I really don't recall.　11:44:35 2　Q. How long has Golden Spring (New York) been　11:44:40 3　paying for Mr. Kwok's lifestyle, as you just said?　11:44:57 4　A. How long? I believe since I was appointed.　11:45:03 5　I mean, I don't recall clearly. I don't recall. But　11:45:13 6　a long time.　11:45:17 7　Q. Okay. Well, you said two things there. You　11:45:19 8　said you believe since you were appointed and you　11:45:22 9　have said you don't recall; so I have -- I'm going to　11:45:25 10　have to ask you to tell me which it is.　11:45:29 11　A. I don't recall. And I shouldn't speculate　11:45:33 12　or guess because when I was appointed, as　11:45:37 13　I testified, like, a couple of minutes ago, which was　11:45:42 14　true, Mr. Qiang Guo was operating and running his　11:45:46 15　business; so that is the reason I correct my answer　11:45:50 16　to be I don't recall because I was not paying that by　11:45:53 17　myself. I don't recall the answers.　11:45:59 18　Q. Understood.　11:46:00 19　What role did you have -- as president,　11:46:01 20　secretary, treasurer, and director of Golden Spring,　11:46:13 21　what role did you have in making sure that　11:46:18 22　Mr. Kwok's -- Mr. Ho Wan Kwok's lifestyle needs were　11:46:24 23　paid for?　11:46:29 24　A. Sorry, sir.　11:46:31 25　Can you please repeat your question?　11:46:33 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 123 of 280 ) 1　Q. Yes, ma'am.　11:46:35 2　As president, secretary, treasurer, and　11:46:36 3　director of Golden Spring (New York) Limited, what　11:46:42 4　role did you have in ensuring that Mr. Ho Wan Kwok's　11:46:47 5　lifestyle needs were paid for?　11:46:53 6　A. What role I ensured with? I mean, sorry.　11:46:55 7　That's -- that's the question you were　11:47:05 8　asking for; right?　11:47:06 9　Q. Yes, ma'am.　11:47:08 10　And I'll try one more time in English, and　11:47:08 11　then we might need to use Ms. Johnston.　11:47:11 12　A. Yes, please.　11:47:15 13　I feel the same.　11:47:16 14　Q. It's okay. I'll try it one more time.　11:47:17 15　You have stated that Mr. Qiang Guo gave you　11:47:21 16　instruction to take care of his father, I mean, more　11:47:25 17　or less. You don't remember exactly when he gave you　11:47:35 18　that instruction, but it was a long time ago.　11:47:37 19　Have I got that right so far?　11:47:41 20　A. Yes.　11:47:43 21　Q. Okay. And I'm asking now, in your role as　11:47:47 22　president, and all those other titles, of　11:48:00 23　Golden Spring (New York) Limited, what did you do to　11:48:03 24　ensure that Mr. Ho Wan Kwok and his lifestyle needs　11:48:13 25　were taken care of? Do you understand the question?　11:48:20 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 124 1 A. I believe so. 11:48:27 2 Q. Okay. So what is the answer? 11:48:29 3 A. For example, like, I communicate with 11:48:34 4 Mr. Qiang Guo about the fund, including this depo. 11:48:42 5 He take care of the request and then make sure the 11:48:52 6 funds in there to take care of his father. 11:49:01 of 280 7　Q. We're going to -- we're going to talk about　11:49:04 8　the fund in just a moment. But you mentioned　11:49:10 9　lifestyle needs earlier, things like clothing, food,　11:49:14 10　transportation -- basics.　11:49:22 11　As president of Golden Spring (New York)　11:49:29 13 those things for Mr. Ho Wan Kwok? 11:49:39 14 A. Yes. 11:49:45 15 Q. Please tell me what you did. 11:49:46 16 A. Like, I will review the bills and verify -- 11:49:52 17 if there is any need to verify -- and process the 11:50:03 18 payment in clothing. 11:50:07 19 Q. What types of bills? 11:50:08 20 A. Like, clothes. Like, food -- grocery food. 11:50:11 21 Q. And -- and are these credit card bills or 11:50:19 22 are they receipts directly from the vendor or what? 11:50:21 12 Limited, were you involved in paying for or providing 11:49:31 23 A. I believe they are both. 11:50:26 24 Q. Okay. 11:50:28 25 A. It is a mixed. 11:50:29 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 125 of 280 1　Q. Who do you receive those from?　11:50:31 2　A. Which bill you were talking about, sir?　11:50:33 3　Q. Any of the above.　11:50:38 4　A. I mean, some of them, they go through from　11:50:41 5　the card. Some of them we received it from the --　11:50:45 6　the vendor.　11:50:48 7　Q. Okay. How many of those bills do you　11:50:50 8　receive from Mr. Ho Wan Kwok directly?　11:50:56 9　A. Directly? I don't recall.　11:50:59 10　Q. How do you know whether -- any of the　11:51:06 11　expenses that you review to take care of　11:51:10 12　Mr. Ho Wan Kwok's lifestyle, how do you know or　11:51:14 13　verify, as you said, whether any of them are actually　11:51:19 14　his?　11:51:23 15　A. I mean, Mr. Qiang Guo, he requested　11:51:25 16　Golden Spring to take care of both his parents; so　11:51:32 17　I mean, only, like, is -- is clarified, like this is　11:51:38 18　his father's clothes and then we obviously will　11:51:45 19　verify from that. Like --　11:51:48 20　Q. And --　11:51:51 21　A. -- grocery bill, I think it is more, like,　11:51:52 22　mixed for the mom and that.　11:51:55 23　Q. Okay. And, number one, how do you know that　11:51:57 24　it is Mr. Ho Wan Kwok's clothing that is being　11:52:01 25　purchased? How do you verify that?　11:52:05 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 126 of 280 1　A. I verifying with the vendor directly.　11:52:07 2　Q. And -- huh.　11:52:13 3　So you -- you ask a vendor whether the　11:52:19 4　clothing was purchased by Mr. Ho Wan Kwok?　11:52:22 5　A. Yeah. Because the man's clothes, the　11:52:27 6　women's clothes are pretty obvious; right?　11:52:32 7　But I do need to verify, yes.　11:52:35 8　Q. Yeah. I get the difference between men's　11:52:38 9　and women's clothes.　11:52:42 10　So is it the case that any -- any -- any　11:52:44 11　charge that is obviously for men's clothing you　11:52:49 12　assume is Mr. Ho Wan Kwok, and any charge that is for　11:52:53 13　women's clothing you assume is for his wife?　11:52:59 14　A. I don't assume. I mean, I have to verify　11:53:04 15　because I need to report back the funds; right? --　11:53:07 16　the financials to the owner of the company clearly --　11:53:15 17　Q. Absolutely.　11:53:18 18　A. -- so I verify.　11:53:19 19　Q. Absolutely.　11:53:20 20　A. So I verify.　11:53:21 21　Q. Let's -- do you -- do you review any credit　11:53:22 22　card bills as part of that process?　11:53:25 23　A. Sometimes.　11:53:29 24　Q. Okay. And when you re- -- when you review　11:53:30 25　a credit card bill, let's just pretend there is　11:53:35 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 127 of 280 1　a charge on there for -- yeah, I don't know -- a stay　11:53:39 2　in a hotel.　Let's just take that as an example.　11:53:45 3　How do you verify who made the charge?　11:53:48 4　A.　Like, a hotel, you mean; right? For an　11:53:54 5　example.　11:54:02 6　Q.　I'm taking that as an example.　11:54:02 7　A.　If hotel, we obviously, Golden Spring, will　11:54:05 8　call the hotel to verify.　11:54:09 9　Q.　To verify that the charge was made?　11:54:10 10　A.　Yes.　11:54:14 11　That is part of internal, I mean, audit.　11:54:14 12　It -- it is normal.　11:54:18 13　Q.　Okay. So how about figuring out who used　11:54:19 14　the credit card? How would you do that?　11:54:23 15　A.　You -- I don't follow your question, sir.　11:54:26 16　Who used credit cards? You mean　11:54:34 17　Mr. Ho Wan Kwok, how he used credit card; right?　11:54:36 18　Q.　Sure.　11:54:40 19　That -- that is -- that is a possibility,　11:54:41 20　but I don't know. I'm asking you.　11:54:43 21　A.　No.　11:54:45 22　He doesn't use Golden Spring's credit cards.　11:54:45 23　Q.　Does Golden Spring have credit cards?　11:54:48 24　A.　We have debit card.　11:54:51 25　Q.　Okay. Does Golden Spring have any credit　11:54:53 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 128 of 280 1　cards?　11:54:58 2　A. As of now, no.　11:55:00 3　Q. Okay. Does Mr. Kwok have access to the　11:55:03 4　Golden Spring debit card?　11:55:12 5　A. No.　11:55:15 6　Q. What about his wife? Does he [sic] have　11:55:15 7　access to the Golden Spring debit card?　11:55:18 8　A. I don't recall.　11:55:21 9　Q. You are the treasurer of Golden Spring　11:55:25 10　(New York) Limited; right?　11:55:33 11　A. Yes.　11:55:36 12　Q. You -- you really don't know whether　11:55:38 13　Ho Wan Kwok's wife has access to the company debit　11:55:43 14　card?　11:55:48 15　A. She had one before, but I'm not sure whether　11:55:49 16　that one is still activated.　11:55:53 17　Q. When did she have one?　11:55:56 18　A. Long time ago.　11:55:58 19　Q. Can you do better than that?　11:56:00 20　A. What do you mean, can I do better than that,　11:56:05 21　sir?　11:56:10 22　Q. You know what I mean.　11:56:10 23　MR. ROSEN: Objection.　11:56:12 24　Can you please ask the witness directly what　11:56:15 25　your question is?　11:56:17 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 129 of 280 1　MR. HARBACH: Sure. Sure.　11:56:19 2　I'm sorry to be cute.　11:56:21 3　BY MR. HARBACH:　11:56:22 4　Q. Ms. Wang, can you give us a more precise　11:56:23 5　date range during which Mr. Ho Wan Kwok's wife had　11:56:28 6　access to the Golden Spring (New York) debit card?　11:56:32 7　A. I don't recall, sir.　11:56:38 8　Q. Do you recall the last time that she --　11:56:42 9　meaning Mr. Ho Wan Kwok's wife -- used the　11:56:46 10　Golden Spring (New York) debit card?　11:56:49 11　A. I don't recall.　11:56:53 12　Q. Did you, as president and treasurer of　11:56:54 13　Golden Spring (New York) Limited, authorize　11:56:59 14　Mr. Ho Wan Kwok's wife to use the Golden Spring　11:57:04 15　(New York) debit card?　11:57:09 16　A. Authorized? I believe yes. And　11:57:12 17　Mr. Qiang Guo requested Golden Spring to do that.　11:57:17 18　Q. But you don't recall when that was?　11:57:20 19　A. Correct.　11:57:25 20　Q. Okay. And I believe you testified a moment　11:57:27 21　ago that to your knowledge Mr. Ho Wan Kwok has never　11:57:34 22　used the Golden Spring (New York) debit card; is that　11:57:38 23　correct?　11:57:43 24　A. He never has Golden Spring (New York) debit　11:57:46 25　card at all.　11:57:51 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 130 of 280 1　Q. Has he ever used the debit card number to　11:57:55 2　purchase anything, to your knowledge?　11:57:58 3　A. I don't know.　11:58:01 4　Q. Has he ever asked you -- "he" meaning　11:58:03 5　Mr. Ho Wan Kwok.　11:58:08 6　Has he ever asked you to purchase anything　11:58:09 7　for him in your capacity as president of　11:58:12 8　Golden Spring?　11:58:15 9　A. I believe so.　11:58:19 10　Q. Okay. Can you give us an example of　11:58:21 11　anything he has asked you to purchase for him?　11:58:25 12　A. I mean, I don't recall the details, but it　11:58:29 13　happened.　11:58:33 14　Q. You don't remember a single thing that　11:58:34 15　Mr. Ho Wan Kwok has asked you to purchase for him?　11:58:37 16　A. I don't recall.　11:58:43 17　Q. How many times has it happened that he has　11:58:44 18　asked you to purchase something for him?　11:58:49 19　A. I don't recall.　11:58:54 20　Q. More than once?　11:58:54 21　A. Correct.　11:58:57 22　Q. More than a hundred times?　11:58:59 23　A. I don't recall.　11:59:02 24　Q. On the occasions when Mr. Ho Wan Kwok has　11:59:03 25　asked you to purchase something for him, what do you　11:59:15 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 131 1 do? 11:59:18 of 280 2 A. As per Mr. Qiang Guo's instruction, I help 11:59:20 3 him, yes. I go to buy for him. 11:59:28 4 Q. Okay. Have -- has -- have you ever -- 11:59:32 5 has -- have you ever refused a request from 11:59:37 6 Mr. Ho Wan Kwok that you purchase something for him? 11:59:41 7 A. Yes. 11:59:45 8 Q. When was that? 11:59:46 9 A. I don't recall. But I obviously need to 11:59:48 10 report it to Mr. Qiang Guo, and if he reject it, 11:59:56 11 I will reject. 12:00:01 12 Q. Okay. Is your -- so I want to make sure 12:00:03 13 I understand the process. 12:00:06 14 Is it your testimony that every time 12:00:07 15 Mr. Ho Wan Kwok asks you to buy something for him 12:00:10 16 that you consult his son to get permission? Is that 12:00:14 17 correct or not? 12:00:23 18 A. Not every time. Like, as you said, for 12:00:23 19 example, buy coffee; right? 12:00:27 20 Obviously I don't need to consult with 12:00:28 21 Mr. Qiang Guo. 12:00:30 22 Q. Okay. How do you decide when to consult 12:00:32 23 with Mr. Kwok Ho Wan's son about a purchase that 12:00:35 24 Mr. Kwok Ho Wan wants you to make? 12:00:43 25 A. I don't recall. But that happened. 12:00:46 Page 106 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 132 of 280 1　Q. Do you have any -- any thoughts about that?　12:00:49 2　A. Like, a legal fee?　12:00:53 3　Q. No.　12:00:57 4　I'm -- I'm just asking you in general. I'm　12:00:58 5　not asking you about legal fees yet, although　12:01:00 6　hopefully we will get there.　12:01:05 7　I'm asking you about in general if　12:01:06 8　Mr. Ho Wan Kwok says, hey, Yvette, I would like you　12:01:08 9　to buy me X, how do you know whether just to buy X or　12:01:14 10　whether to get his son's permission? How do you　12:01:21 11　decide?　12:01:30 12　A. Well, yearly, like, his food and his coffee　12:01:30 13　and then his transportation, those lifestyle were　12:01:34 14　already approved by Mr. Qiang Guo; so you already --　12:01:40 15　Golden Spring just to go ahead to buy or purchase and　12:01:44 16　then report back to Mr. Qiang Guo; so anything　12:01:49 17　except -- besides -- except which words? Except　12:01:53 18　that, we obviously, Golden Spring, need to escalate　12:01:57 19　to Mr. Qiang Guo to get approval.　12:02:02 20　Q. Understood.　12:02:04 21　And so if I -- if I have you correctly,　12:02:05 22　things like food, clothing, transportation -- those　12:02:08 23　things do not require specific approval of　12:02:15 24　Mr. Qiang Guo and, in your mind, you can just buy　12:02:19 25　them for Mr. Kwok without getting his permission.　12:02:26 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 133 of 280 1　Have I got that right?　12:02:29 2　A.　Yeah. That is the instruction was given to　12:02:31 3　Golden Spring; so --　12:02:34 4　Q.　And is this --　12:02:35 5　A.　-- we just go buy.　12:02:38 6　Q.　Is that true, no matter how expensive the　12:02:40 7　item is?　12:02:42 8　A.　Sir, what -- what is your range about　12:02:44 9　expensive?　I mean --　12:02:48 10　Q.　Well, let's take -- let's take　12:02:50 11　transportation as an example.　12:02:53 12　Are you aware that -- that Mr. Kwok　12:02:54 13　frequently travels in a Maybach limousine?　12:02:57 14　A.　Am I aware? What do you mean am I aware?　12:03:05 15　Q.　Do you know -- do you know what a limousine　12:03:09 16　is?　12:03:12 17　A.　Limo, yes. I do know.　12:03:13 18　Q.　Okay. And do you know what a Maybach is?　12:03:15 19　A.　Yes.　12:03:18 20　Q.　Okay. Is it a type of car; right?　12:03:19 21　A.　Correct.　12:03:22 22　Q.　Isn't it true that Mr. Ho Wan Kwok　12:03:22 23　frequently travels by Maybach?　12:03:27 24　A.　Sir -- sir, I know Mileson want his father　12:03:32 25　to be safe and secured; so that is the thing I know.　12:03:38 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 134 of 280 1　But I don't know, like, frequency. I use that.　12:03:43 2　Obviously, I am not following his father every day.　12:03:48 3　I cannot tell that.　12:03:50 4　Q. Does -- does Golden Spring -- I'll ask you　12:03:51 5　to accept for purposes of this deposition today --　12:03:54 6　just take my word for it that within the last month　12:03:59 7　Mr. Kwok has traveled at least once by Maybach.　12:04:02 8　Okay?　12:04:08 9　Let's just assume that.　12:04:08 10　My question for you is is that Maybach　12:04:11 11　transportation that Golden Spring (New York) has paid　12:04:17 12　for?　12:04:19 13　A. Golden Spring (New York) pays -- pays the --　12:04:21 14　the gasolines and -- yeah. The gasolines. That　12:04:24 15　is --　12:04:31 16　Q. Does --　12:04:31 17　A. -- what transportation we are paying.　12:04:32 18　Q. Does Golden Spring (New York) own any　12:04:35 19　Maybach vehicles?　12:04:36 20　A. Oh, I -- I couldn't remember, like, if　12:04:38 21　Maybach owned by Golden Spring or not. I mean,　12:04:47 22　Golden Spring owns a couple of cars. They all　12:04:50 23　ultimately owned by Mr. Qiang Guo.　12:04:53 24　Q. Yeah. I get that.　12:04:56 25　Tell me about the cars that Golden Spring　12:04:57 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 135 of 280 1　owns. You just mentioned that there are a couple.　12:04:59 2　What are they?　12:05:06 3　A. I'm not car person; so I have to find out.　12:05:07 4　Q. Okay. Are they nice cars?　12:05:11 5　A. I cannot tell.　12:05:14 6　Q. And you don't know whether one of the cars　12:05:16 7　that Golden Spring (New York) owns is a Maybach; is　12:05:20 8　that right?　12:05:24 9　A. I don't know because this is Mr. Mileson,　12:05:26 10　like Mr. Qiang Guo, he purchased directly.　12:05:31 11　Q. Yeah.　12:05:34 12　A. So I'm not --　12:05:35 13　Q. I -- I -- I understand.　12:05:36 14　But I'm asking about Golden Spring　12:05:37 15　(New York).　12:05:40 16　Okay?　12:05:40 17　I'm asking about Golden Spring (New York)　12:05:41 18　Limited, of which you are the president, treasurer,　12:05:44 19　secretary, and director. I'm asking if you know　12:05:48 20　whether Golden Spring (New York) Limited owns　12:05:52 21　a Maybach automobile.　12:05:55 22　Do you know?　12:05:57 23　A. I don't recall. I have to find out.　12:05:59 24　Q. Okay. You have also told me that　12:06:02 25　Golden Spring (New York) pays for Mr. Ho Wan Kwok's　12:06:07 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 136 of 280 1　transportation; right?　12:06:13 2　A. Correct.　12:06:15 3　Q. And that would include transportation by　12:06:16 4　car; correct?　12:06:20 5　A. Correct.　12:06:22 6　Q. That would include arranging for a leased　12:06:24 7　vehicle if that is how he wanted to travel; correct?　12:06:32 8　A. We pay the gasoline.　12:06:37 9　Q. Yeah. I heard that. I'm just trying to　12:06:42 10　figure out who owns the vehicle, Ms. Wang.　12:06:45 11　Do you know whether Golden Spring (New York)　12:06:49 12　Limited has rented or leased a Maybach in order to　12:06:52 13　transport Mr. Ho Wan Kwok? Do you know?　12:06:57 14　A. I don't know.　12:07:02 15　MR. HARBACH: So Mr. -- Mr. Rosen, I'll take　12:07:10 16　the witness up on her offer to get back to us on the　12:07:15 17　types of cars that Golden Spring (New York) owns,　12:07:19 18　and, in particular, whether they own any Maybach　12:07:24 19　automobiles, if that is okay with you.　12:07:28 20　MR. ROSEN: We'll take it under advisement.　12:07:31 21　MR. HARBACH: Okay.　12:07:33 22　MR. ROSEN: Your request is -- is noted.　12:07:33 23　MR. HARBACH: All right. Thank you.　12:07:38 24　THE WITNESS: Sir, can we have a break?　12:07:49 25　I mean, it is 12:00.　12:07:51 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 137 1 BY MR. HARBACH: 12:07:53 2 Q. Sure. 12:07:53 3 A. I do need a lunch break, yeah. 12:07:53 4 Q. If -- if you would like to take a break now, 12:07:56 5 that is no problem at all. 12:07:58 of 280 6 MR. HARBACH: I don't know if Suzanne or 12:08:02 7　Jeff who takes us off, but I will suggest reconvening　12:08:03 8　at -- at 1:00 o'clock.　12:08:08 9　Is that amenable to folks?　12:08:10 10　MR. ROSEN: Yes.　12:08:13 11　MR. HARBACH: Okay.　12:08:15 12　THE VIDEOGRAPHER: We are going off the　12:08:16 13　record.　12:08:17 14　The time is 12:08.　12:08:17 15　(Luncheon recess taken.)　13:01:33 16　THE VIDEOGRAPHER: We are back on the　13:01:33 17　record.　13:01:36 18　The time is 1:01.　13:01:36 19　BY MR. HARBACH:　13:01:40 20　Q. Good afternoon, Ms. Wang -- Ms. Wang.　13:01:46 21　One little loose end that has nothing to do　13:01:48 22　with what I was asking you about before lunch.　13:01:53 23　Okay? Do you know someone called Yu Yong?　13:01:56 24　That is Y-u Y-o-n-g.　13:02:02 25　A. Yes.　13:02:09 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 138 of 280 1　Q. Okay. Who is that person?　13:02:10 2　A. I met her in New York before.　13:02:13 3　Q. Okay. Do you know what she does for　13:02:17 4　a living?　13:02:25 5　A. When I met with her, she was working　13:02:26 6　together with the family also.　13:02:29 7　Q. The -- the Guo family?　13:02:30 8　A. Yes.　13:02:34 9　Q. With whom specifically?　13:02:35 10　A. With Mr. Qiang Guo.　13:02:38 11　Q. Anyone else?　13:02:44 12　A. I believe with -- with Mr. Qiang Guo's　13:02:45 13　father together --　13:02:49 14　Q. And --　13:02:51 15　A. -- but I don't have the details.　13:02:52 16　Q. Okay. And approximately when was that that　13:02:54 17　you met her?　13:02:57 18　A. 2015.　13:02:58 19　Q. Okay. Thank you.　13:03:01 20　A new subject.　13:03:04 21　Who set up Golden Spring (New York) Limited?　13:03:07 22　A. In my understanding, it was set up by　13:03:13 23　Mr. Qiang Guo.　13:03:19 24　Q. Who -- when you say it is your　13:03:20 25　understanding, do you know that or did somebody tell　13:03:23 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 139 1 you that? 13:03:26 2 A. This is I learned afterwards. I believe 13:03:27 of 280 3 there will be -- there will be law firms supporting 13:03:31 4　by him, but he set up the company.　13:03:34 5　Q. Why did he set up the company?　13:03:37 6　A. I got to know later on -- not, like, when he　13:03:39 7　set up the company -- he was trying to do business　13:03:46 8　outside of China, like, mainly in the U.S. here.　13:03:50 9　Q. What sort of business?　13:03:54 10　A. Like, business related to real estate,　13:03:56 11　investment -- like a diversified business.　13:04:02 12　Q. Okay. Who funded Golden Spring (New York)　13:04:06 13　when it was created?　13:04:11 14　A. I learned afterwards Mr. Qiang Guo, he　13:04:12 15　arranged the fund -- fund the Golden Spring.　13:04:22 16　Q. When you say he arranged it, do you mean　13:04:26 17　that he, himself, provided the money?　13:04:29 18　A. Hmmm. No.　13:04:34 19　He arranged via his -- another company.　13:04:35 20　I believe it is called Bravo Luck.　13:04:40 21　Q. I see.　13:04:44 22　And so your understanding is that the money　13:04:45 23　that funded Golden Spring (New York) Limited when it　13:04:48 24　was created came from Bravo Luck?　13:04:55 25　A. That is what I learned.　13:05:00 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 140 of 280 1　Q. From whom?　13:05:01 2　A. From Mr. Qiang Guo.　13:05:03 3　Q. Have you ever spoken to Mr. Ho Wan Kwok　13:05:05 4　about Bravo Luck?　13:05:10 5　A. Hmmm. I don't recall.　13:05:13 6　Q. Have you ever spoken to Mr. Ho Wan Kwok　13:05:16 7　about the source of money that was used to fund　13:05:20 8　Golden Spring (New York) Limited when it was created?　13:05:24 9　A. No.　13:05:28 10　I don't recall I did that.　13:05:30 11　Q. Do you know how Bravo Luck got the money　13:05:34 12　that you say funded Golden Spring (New York) Limited?　13:05:41 13　A. I don't know.　13:05:44 14　Q. What is -- what was Golden Spring　13:05:47 15　(New York)'s business purpose when it was created?　13:05:54 16　A. Oh, Golden Spring was created as a family　13:05:57 17　office owned by Mr. Qiang Guo; so Mr. Qiang Guo was　13:06:04 18　planning, as I said, to develop and expand the　13:06:09 19　business in the United States, including, like, as　13:06:14 20　I said, investment, real estate, and the business　13:06:21 21　he -- he was doing by then.　13:06:25 22　Q. Where does Mr. Qiang Guo live today? What　13:06:28 23　country?　13:06:33 24　A. He lives in UK.　13:06:38 25　Q. How long has he lived there?　13:06:41 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 141 of 280 1　MR. ROSEN: Objection. What is the -- what　13:06:44 2　is the relevance of this, David?　13:06:46 3　MR. HARBACH: I'm trying to explore the　13:06:49 4　witness' most recent answer about the business　13:06:52 5　purpose of Golden Spring. She said that he -- that　13:06:55 6　he, Qiang Guo, created it to do X, Y, and Z. And I'm　13:06:59 7　trying to inquire about how long he was actually in　13:07:05 8　the country after Golden Spring was created. That is　13:07:09 9　why I'm asking.　13:07:12 10　MR. ROSEN: Just note for the record that we　13:07:13 11　are all here in different locations at this　13:07:14 12　deposition. And in today's world where your -- where　13:07:18 13　your seat is doesn't necessarily mean a whole lot.　13:07:23 14　But with that said, I would instruct the　13:07:26 15　witness to answer.　13:07:29 16　BY MR. HARBACH:　13:07:30 17　Q. The -- the question was when -- or how long　13:07:30 18　has Mr. Qiang Guo lived in the UK.　13:07:36 19　A. For years. I mean --　13:07:40 20　Q. Are you finished with your answer?　13:07:51 21　You said for years, maybe?　13:08:03 22　A. My -- my answer was not four, f-o-u-r, as　13:08:04 23　years. This is my answer.　13:08:04 24　Q. All right.　13:08:04 25　A. I don't know how many, yeah.　13:08:06 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 142 C T　00 1　Q. You don't know how many years?　13:08:06 2　A. Correct.　13:08:08 3　Q. Could it be more than ten years?　13:08:09 4　A. I don't think so.　13:08:11 5　Q. How long, if -- if you know, how long after　13:08:13 6　Golden Spring (New York) Limited was created did　13:08:24 7　Mr. Guo -- Qiang Guo move to the UK?　13:08:28 8　A. I cannot recall.　13:08:34 9　Q. All right. Do you know -- what can you tell　13:08:40 10　us about what Golden Spring (New York) Limited has　13:08:47 11　done to advance the business purposes you just　13:08:50 12　described?　13:08:55 13　A. Mr. Qiang Guo was in the United States in　13:08:55 14　2015, and then he travels a lot also. And,　13:09:05 15　obviously, he set up the company, and then we develop　13:09:12 16　business structure and plan from there; so that is　13:09:16 17　still his direction, which we have been doing until　13:09:22 18　his father started to do his whistle-blower moment.　13:09:28 19　Q. What was the business plan in the beginning?　13:09:33 20　A. Investment.　13:09:37 21　Q. Okay. In, I believe, you mentioned real　13:09:41 22　estate.　13:09:48 23　What else?　13:09:48 24　A. We started from real estate. There was real　13:09:49 25　estate, like, investment.　13:09:53 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 143 of 280 1　Q. Okay. So any other business purpose,　13:09:54 2　besides investing money?　13:09:57 3　A. And operate as a family office in New York　13:10:00 4　here to support other family projects.　13:10:09 5　Q. Okay. You have mentioned earlier the　13:10:15 6　support of Mr. Ho Wan Kwok.　13:10:19 7　What other family projects has Golden Spring　13:10:23 8　(New York) Limited supported?　13:10:27 9　A. Including their project -- real estate.　13:10:29 10　Like, including, like, interviews and handouts. The　13:10:39 11　architecture, designer, like, real estate-related　13:10:45 12　vendors, and then we, like, facilitate and coordinate　13:10:50 13　by them.　13:10:54 14　Q. Is Golden Spring (New York) Limited a --　13:10:55 15　a for-profit enterprise?　13:10:59 16　A. It is.　13:11:03 17　Q. And what is its source of income?　13:11:03 18　A. Source of income? I mean, we are　13:11:08 19　a for-profit company, but we are not turning to,　13:11:16 20　like, make revenue yet; so the source of income is　13:11:23 21　supposed to be, like, a -- we build up the project　13:11:26 22　under the family plan, and then we start to make　13:11:31 23　profit from those projects -- investment projects.　13:11:36 24　Q. Okay. So the -- the company invests money　13:11:40 25　and hopes to make money from investments.　13:11:43 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 144 of 280 1　Is that it?　13:11:47 2　A. That's part of the source of income, yes.　13:11:48 3　Planned.　13:11:52 4　Q. Does the -- does the company, Golden Spring　13:11:52 5　(New York) Limited, have any clients? Or is it just　13:11:57 6　the family?　13:12:01 7　A. I mean, family office typically, to our　13:12:02 8　understanding, is support and serve for the family　13:12:08 9　business; so our clients are the family.　13:12:13 10　Q. Okay. And that includes Mr. Ho Wan Kwok,　13:12:15 11　does it not?　13:12:20 12　A. He is the person -- the owner of the company　13:12:21 13　requesting Golden Spring to support; so Golden Spring　13:12:28 14　does not, like, plan or, like, having profit from his　13:12:31 15　father, which, like, we didn't think about that and　13:12:39 16　how; right?　13:12:43 17　Q. Well, you just said a moment ago that　13:12:45 18　Golden Spring (New York) limited's clients was the　13:12:47 19　family. And I ask you if that included　13:12:58 20　Mr. Ho Wan Kwok.　13:13:00 21　The reason I asked that question is because　13:13:01 22　Mr. Ho Wan Kwok is a member of the family, is he not?　13:13:04 23　A. So this is my answer. Golden Spring --　13:13:09 24　MR. ROSEN: Hold off answering, please, just　13:13:15 25　for a second.　13:13:18 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 145 of 280 1　I'd object on the -- on the grounds that I'm　13:13:18 2　not sure that your use of the word client is -- is　13:13:23 3　being understood.　13:13:25 4　Could you clarify that, please?　13:13:25 5　MR. HARBACH: Sure.　13:13:29 6　BY MR. HARBACH:　13:13:32 7　Q. Ms. Wang, do you know what I mean by the　13:13:33 8　word client?　13:13:36 9　A. Client means that you offer services to get　13:13:39 10　paid.　13:13:43 11　Q. Okay. A moment ago you said that the client　13:13:44 12　of Golden Spring (New York) Limited was the family.　13:13:51 13　Did you mean that in the sense that you just　13:13:55 14　described, or did you mean that in a different way?　13:13:59 15　A. I mean the client is the Guo family.　13:14:02 16　I mean, they -- they are, as I testified before,　13:14:06 17　like, a hundred family member. They all could be our　13:14:12 18　clients. They are all business people.　13:14:15 19　Q. Okay.　13:14:18 20　A. So as a client of Golden Spring, which　13:14:19 21　I mean.　13:14:22 22　Q. Okay. Do you mean that members of the　13:14:23 23　family pay Golden Spring?　13:14:25 24　A. I mean if Golden Spring offered a service　13:14:31 25　and then helped them to invest successfully, yes.　13:14:34 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 146 of 280 1　Golden Spring would be paid.　13:14:39 2　Q. Okay. So now my question is is　13:14:40 3　Mr. Ho Wan Kwok part of the family that is a client　13:14:45 4　of Golden Spring (New York) Limited?　13:14:50 5　MR. ROSEN: Objection to form.　13:14:54 6　It -- the -- is your question is he　13:14:58 7　individually a client? Because what you asked is is　13:15:01 8　he part of the family that is a client.　13:15:05 9　MR. HARBACH: Well, I'm sorry for -- for --　13:15:08 10　I'm really not meaning to be confusing.　13:15:11 11　BY MR. HARBACH:　13:15:14 12　Q. I understood, Ms. Wang, you to say a moment　13:15:14 13　ago that the family -- which is composed of numerous　13:15:17 14　people, you said.　13:15:22 15　That the family is a client of Golden Spring　13:15:22 16　(New York) Limited; is that correct?　13:15:26 17　A. The family and their family member who are　13:15:29 18　the business people; correct?　13:15:36 19　They are the Golden Spring's clients. Of　13:15:37 20　course, I don't mean that like in the minor kids;　13:15:40 21　right?　13:15:44 22　So I made that very clear.　13:15:44 23　Q. Is Mr. Ho Wan Kwok a member of that family?　13:15:46 24　A. He is one of the family member, yes.　13:15:50 25　Q. To your knowledge, has Mr. Ho Wan Kwok ever　13:15:53 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 147 of 280 1　contributed or paid any money to Golden Spring　13:16:06 2　(New York) Limited?　13:16:11 3　A. No.　13:16:13 4　To my knowledge.　13:16:16 5　Q. To your knowledge, has any business　13:16:17 6　organization that Mr. Ho Wan Kwok owns or controls　13:16:26 7　ever contributed any money to Golden Spring　13:16:32 8　(New York) Limited?　13:16:36 9　MR. ROSEN: Objection.　13:16:39 10　You can answer the question.　13:16:40 11　THE WITNESS: To my knowledge, no.　13:16:42 12　BY MR. HARBACH:　13:16:45 13　Q. And you -- as the treasurer of Golden Spring　13:16:49 14　(New York) Limited, would that be something you would　13:16:53 15　expect to know if it had happened?　13:16:56 16　A. Since I was --　13:16:59 17　MR. ROSEN: Object.　13:17:03 18　You can answer.　13:17:04 19　THE WITNESS: Since I was appointed of　13:17:07 20　treasurer of Golden Spring, I didn't see any money　13:17:11 21　come from Mr. Ho Wan Kwok. And Golden Spring doesn't　13:17:13 22　look at him as a client; so he is a family member,　13:17:17 23　but he is not our kind of like prospective client.　13:17:21 24　He is the owner. He is the father of the owner,　13:17:25 25　like, it -- that's our understanding.　13:17:31 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 148 of 280 1　BY MR. HARBACH:　13:17:32 2　Q. He, in fact, is the owner, isn't he,　13:17:33 3　Ms. Wang?　13:17:36 4　MR. ROSEN: Objection.　13:17:37 5　THE WITNESS: He is not the owner at all.　13:17:38 6　BY MR. HARBACH:　13:17:42 7　Q. Were you an employee or a director or　13:17:46 8　officer of Golden Spring at the time that it was　13:17:53 9　created?　13:17:56 10　A. You mean back to 2015, sir?　13:18:00 11　Q. Yes.　13:18:04 12　A. No.　13:18:05 13　Q. Returning to my question about Golden Spring　13:18:06 14　(New York) Limited's source of income, is there　13:18:16 15　anything else in that category, other than returns on　13:18:22 16　investment?　13:18:26 17　A. What do you mean? Like any other source of　13:18:28 18　income besides what I reply to you before?　13:18:38 19　Q. Yes.　13:18:41 20　A. Okay. So that would be our major source of　13:18:42 21　income. Like, a family office -- I mean, in my　13:18:45 22　understanding you already do investment; so when you　13:18:51 23　investment, you get revenue, and then we got paid,　13:18:54 24　and so we got.　13:18:57 25　Q. I understand that.　13:18:57 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 149 of 280 1　I'm asking you whether there was anything　13:18:58 2　else.　13:19:00 3　A. As far as I know, like, that is all I know.　13:19:03 4　Q. Okay.　13:19:08 5　A. That is the plan. I mean, as a family　13:19:09 6　office -- right? -- we are supposed to do investment　13:19:12 7　and make revenue -- make revenue. I mean, I am not　13:19:15 8　a law firm. I am not other, you know, service　13:19:18 9　company. And then any other source of income　13:19:20 10　I should be expect.　13:19:22 11　Q. Does Golden Spring (New York) Limited have　13:19:24 12　any bank accounts?　13:19:28 13　A. You are asking which time apparent, sir?　13:19:30 14　Q. I'm asking currently.　13:19:41 15　A. Yes.　13:19:43 16　Q. How many?　13:19:43 17　A. One.　13:19:46 18　Q. At which bank?　13:19:52 19　MR. ROSEN: Objection. There are security　13:19:55 20　issues involved here, and we're -- I understand that　13:19:59 21　Golden Spring's bank accounts have been shut down as　13:20:06 22　part of what has been described to me as a harassment　13:20:09 23　scheme; so I would ask at this point not to　13:20:13 24　disclose -- the witness not to disclose the location　13:20:16 25　of the bank account.　13:20:19 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 150 of 280 1　MR. HARBACH: Okay. Scott, I'm not meaning　13:20:20 2　to disregard your instruction. I'm going to ask　13:20:25 3　another question, and if you want to include this　13:20:28 4　under your objection, please do. But I'm going to　13:20:31 5　ask this one.　13:20:34 6　BY MR. HARBACH:　13:20:35 7　Q. Ms. Wang, is Golden Spring (New York)'s bank　13:20:35 8　account with a U.S. bank?　13:20:38 9　A. Yes.　13:20:42 10　Q. What is the approximate current balance in　13:20:43 11　that account?　13:20:54 12　A. I mean, for the safety, same reason. I am　13:20:57 13　very hesitant to tell you because PAX already, like,　13:21:05 14　harassed all Golden Spring's bank account.　13:21:09 15　So we are talking about DIP loan; right?　13:21:14 16　Q. Well, yeah.　13:21:18 17　You know the reasons that the -- that the　13:21:19 18　deposition has been noticed, and I'm not going to get　13:21:21 19　into a debate with you about whether the question is　13:21:26 20　proper.　13:21:28 21　My question is what is the approximate　13:21:30 22　balance in Golden Spring's one bank account in the　13:21:33 23　United States?　13:21:38 24　MR. ROSEN: I'm going to object and would　13:21:41 25　like, if it is acceptable to counsel, to take a short　13:21:44 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 151 of 280 1　recess to discuss this with my client.　13:21:50 2　MR. HARBACH: Of course. No problem at all.　13:21:52 3　THE VIDEOGRAPHER: We are going off the　13:21:55 4　record.　13:21:56 5　The time is 1:21.　13:21:56 6　(Short recess taken.)　13:22:00 7　THE VIDEOGRAPHER: We are back on the　13:33:59 8　record.　13:34:01 9　The time is 1:34.　13:34:01 10　MR. HARBACH: Scott, did you want to put　13:34:06 11　anything on the record here or no?　13:34:11 12　MR. ROSEN: No.　13:34:14 13　I did not need to put anything on the　13:34:15 14　record.　13:34:18 15　BY MR. HARBACH:　13:34:18 16　Q. Okay. Ms. Wang, did you speak with anyone　13:34:19 17　else during the break, besides your lawyer?　13:34:21 18　A. I only talked with Mr. Scott Rosen.　13:34:23 19　Q. Okay. Thank you.　13:34:25 20　The pending question before the break was　13:34:26 21　what is the approximate balance in Golden Spring　13:34:31 22　(New York) Limited's one U.S. bank account?　13:34:37 23　MR. ROSEN: I'm going to object and instruct　13:34:45 24　the witness not to answer that specific question　13:34:47 25　because of Golden Spring's concerns about maintaining　13:34:50 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 152 of 280 1　the integrity and usability of the bank account in　13:34:54 2　light of credits' rights actions that have been taken　13:34:58 3　by -- by PAX.　13:35:03 4　BY MR. HARBACH:　13:35:05 5　Q. Leaving aside the identity of the bank,　13:35:06 6　approximately how much value in liquid assets does　13:35:11 7　Golden Spring (New York) Limited own?　13:35:20 8　A. Golden Spring as -- I mean, enough funds to　13:35:23 9　support Golden Spring, the operation. I mean, we　13:35:33 10　don't have cash flow issue, so　13:35:37 11　Q. All right. And your judgment about what　13:35:40 12　might be a cash flow issue and our judgment about　13:35:44 13　what might be a cash flow issue and Judge Manning's　13:35:48 14　judgment about what might be a cash flow issue could　13:35:54 15　be three very different things.　13:35:57 16　And so that is why I'm asking approximately　13:35:59 17　how much money in liquid assets does Golden Spring　13:36:03 18　(New York) Limited own?　13:36:09 19　A. The balance is changing every day because　13:36:12 20　things happen every day; so I don't want to　13:36:19 21　speculate. Obviously, I did not check the bank　13:36:22 22　balance right now; so I cannot say.　13:36:25 23　Q. What -- what -- when -- when was the last　13:36:27 24　time you checked the balance?　13:36:29 25　A. I don't recall. It is the financial --　13:36:30 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 153 of 280 1 finance department, they are doing that. 13:36:34 2　Q. Well, you are the treasurer; right?　13:36:37 3　MR. ROSEN: Excuse me. I thought this was　13:36:40 4　questions setting aside the bank account. The　13:36:42 5　question was what is -- what are the values of the　13:36:45 6　liquid assets, setting aside the bank account.　13:36:47 7　MR. HARBACH: Yeah. I meant -- and I can't　13:36:50 liquid assets, setting aside the bank account. 13:36:47 7 MR. HARBACH: Yeah. I meant -- and I can't 13:36:50 believe I said -- if I didn't, I'm mistaken. I meant 13:36:53 the identity of the bank. I'm not -- I'm not 13:36:56 interested in getting the identification of the bank. 13:36:59 I'm just trying to figure out how much money 13:37:02 Golden Spring (New York) Limited has. That's it. 13:37:05 BY MR. HARBACH: 13:37:02 14 Q. How much money does the company have? Do 13:37:11 you know? 13:37:13 16 A. The money enough to support all of the daily 13:37:14 operation. 13:37:18 18 Q. Are you -- are you unwilling to tell me how 13:37:18 much money Golden Spring has or do you not know how 13:37:23 much money Golden Spring has? 13:37:27 21 MR. ROSEN: Yeah. I -- I have to object 13:37:29 here. There are concerns about the integrity and 13:37:31 usability of Golden Spring's assets in light of 13:37:36 creditor activity that has been conducted by PAX; so 13:37:41 these are -- these are sensitive issues. If -- if 13:37:46 Page 128 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 154 of 280 1　you want to get to questions about where is the loan　13:37:50 2　proceeds going to come from, then we can -- we can　13:37:52 3　certainly go there. But with respect to its current　13:37:56 4　assets, at this point the credit just -- just　13:38:00 5　outweighs any -- any -- any relevancy.　13:38:06 6　MR. HARBACH: I -- I think I understand your　13:38:10 7　objection, and rather than engage it fully, I will　13:38:13 8　just note that we strongly disagree. But if you are　13:38:16 9　instructing the witness not to answer, I'll try and　13:38:20 10　move on.　13:38:23 11　MR. ROSEN: Thank you.　13:38:24 12　BY MR. HARBACH:　13:38:26 13　Q. Approximately how much profit did　13:38:32 14　Golden Spring (New York) make in the last year?　13:38:35 15　A. Because of the -- the entire, like, PAX --　13:38:41 16　right? -- this case, I mean, PAX obviously subpoenaed　13:38:49 17　all Golden Spring's bank. And then in my　13:38:53 18　understanding, my console device, like, PAX didn't　13:38:57 19　get anything; so -- because PAX specifically hurt our　13:39:01 20　bank relationship in the last year, as you said,　13:39:05 21　I mean, we didn't make profit last year.　13:39:07 22　Q. You did not make a profit last year?　13:39:10 23　A. Correct.　13:39:14 24　MR. ROSEN: Objection.　13:39:16 25　/// Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 155 of 280 1　BY MR. HARBACH:　13:39:17 2　Q. Was there a -- was there a loss of -- of --　13:39:18 3　there was a loss of approximately how much last year?　13:39:20 4　Do you understand the question?　13:39:33 5　A. Of course.　13:39:34 6　Q. So what is --　13:39:37 7　A. But I don't know why it is related to this　13:39:38 8　as well. It is sensitive information, which I have　13:39:42 9　to keep it.　13:39:44 10　Q. You are -- so you are -- you are -- you are　13:39:45 11　unwilling to answer what the size of Golden Spring　13:39:46 12　(New York) Limited's loss was last year; is that　13:39:51 13　right?　13:39:57 14　MR. ROSEN: Objection. This is not an asset　13:39:57 15　disclosure deposition for Golden Spring. And -- and　13:40:01 16　in light of the pending litigation that is already　13:40:03 17　out there, questions like this are overstepping what　13:40:05 18　the scope of this deposition is supposed to be,　13:40:09 19　which, again, this is a contested matter in　13:40:11 20　a bankruptcy case for a DIP loan, which is being　13:40:15 21　granted on a fully subordinated basis; so that's --　13:40:19 22　that is what we are here today on, not asset　13:40:23 23　disclosure.　13:40:27 24　MR. HARBACH: Is that an instruction not to　13:40:34 25　answer, Scott?　13:40:36 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 156 of 280 1　MR. ROSEN: Yes, it is.　13:40:37 2　BY MR. HARBACH:　13:40:39 3　Q. Who made the requests to Golden Spring　13:40:39 4　(New York) for debtor-in-possession financing?　13:40:42 5　A. I -- can I ask a translator to help me　13:40:47 6　understand this question?　13:40:53 7　Q. Of course.　13:40:55 8　MR. HARBACH: Ms. Johnston, I'll repeat it.　13:40:56 9　Who made the request to Golden Spring　13:41:00 10　(New York) Limited for debtor-in-possession　13:41:02 11　financing?　13:41:09 12　THE INTERPRETER: (Interprets question.)　13:41:42 13　THE CHECK INTERPRETER: Can the check　13:41:42 14　interpreter help with that term?　13:41:45 15　THE INTERPRETER: Sure.　13:41:48 16　THE WITNESS: From the interpreter　13:41:55 17　understanding, it is debtor's loan; right? Debtor's　13:41:57 18　position. Debtor's loan.　13:42:01 19　BY MR. HARBACH:　13:42:01 20　Q. Well, Ms. -- Ms. Wang, on several occasions　13:42:01 21　today you have pointed out to me that we are here to　13:42:03 22　talk about a DIP loan.　13:42:09 23　Do you know what a DIP loan is?　13:42:10 24　A. Yes.　13:42:15 25　It is a loan between the debtor and lender.　13:42:16 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 157 of 280 1　Q. Okay. Do you know what DIP stands for?　13:42:19 2　A. Yes.　13:42:27 3　Q. What does it stand for?　13:42:29 4　A. It is a DIP loan displaying between --　13:42:31 5　I mean, I'm not a lawyer; right?　13:42:42 6　It is a loan between the lender and the　13:42:43 7　debtor.　13:42:48 8　Q. Thirty seconds ago you said to me that you　13:42:49 9　know what DIP stands for. It is okay if you don't.　13:42:53 10　I'm just asking for an honest answer.　13:43:00 11　Do you know what DIP stands for? It is an　13:43:04 12　acronym.　13:43:09 13　A. It is a loan. It is a loan. That's my　13:43:09 14　answer.　13:43:13 15　Q. Okay. It stands for debtor in possession.　13:43:13 16　Okay?　13:43:17 17　It is not a secret, but -- I'll keep going.　13:43:19 18　Who made the request to Golden Spring　13:43:26 19　(New York) for debtor-in-possession financing that is　13:43:32 20　at issue here?　13:43:37 21　A. The owner of Golden Spring (New York).　13:43:39 22　Q. The owner of Golden Spring (New York) made　13:43:44 23　a request to Golden Spring (New York) for DIP　13:43:52 24　financing? Is that your testimony?　13:43:57 25　A. I don't understand your question.　13:44:00 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 158 of 280 1　Q. Who asked for the loan?　13:44:05 2　A. I was not involved in this loan negotiation.　13:44:10 3　Q. Do you know who made the request for the　13:44:15 4　loan?　13:44:20 5　A. I was not involved in the negotiation of　13:44:22 6　this loan. I just got instruction and advice from　13:44:28 7　the owner of Golden Spring.　13:44:32 8　Q. Okay. Is the answer to this question -- is　13:44:34 9　the answer to my question you don't know?　13:44:39 10　A. I was not involved.　13:44:41 11　Q. You know what? Let's use the interpreter.　13:44:42 12　MR. HARBACH: Ms. Johnston, can you -- well,　13:44:48 13　let's do it this way.　13:44:53 14　BY MR. HARBACH:　13:44:57 15　Q. Do you know who made the request to　13:44:57 16　Golden Spring (New York) Limited for the loan that is　13:44:59 17　the subject of today's deposition?　13:45:03 18　A. I don't have personal knowledge.　13:45:09 19　Q. Has anyone told you who made the loan -- who　13:45:11 20　made the request for the loan that is the subject of　13:45:19 21　today's deposition?　13:45:22 22　A. Has anyone told me?　13:45:24 23　Q. Well, you said you didn't have personal　13:45:31 24　knowledge.　13:45:33 25　A. Yes.　13:45:35 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 159 of 280 1　Q. And I know what that -- and I know what that　13:45:35 2　means.　13:45:39 3　So I am asking you whether you have ever　13:45:39 4　learned from anyone else who made the request for the　13:45:42 5　loan that is the subject of today's deposition.　13:45:45 6　A. I heard this from Mr. Qiang Guo about his　13:45:53 7　DIP loan.　13:45:58 8　Q. Who did he say requested the DIP loan?　13:45:59 9　A. He mentioned his father -- his father's　13:46:05 10　attorney.　13:46:16 11　Q. Do you recall that attorney's name?　13:46:17 12　A. I don't recall. He didn't tell me, and　13:46:20 13　I don't recall.　13:46:23 14　Q. When was that request made, if you know?　13:46:24 15　A. In March.　13:46:33 16　Q. Of what year?　13:46:41 17　A. Of this year.　13:46:43 18　Q. Were you -- as president, secretary,　13:46:45 19　treasurer, and director of Golden Spring (New York)　13:46:53 20　Limited -- involved in the decision about whether to　13:46:58 21　provide DIP financing to the debtor?　13:47:03 22　A. I was advised by Mr. Qiang Guo afterwards.　13:47:06 23　That was a quite short time period. And he handled;　13:47:16 24　so the answer to you is I was not involved.　13:47:24 25　Q. Were you consulted by Mr. Guo --　13:47:27 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 160 of 280 1　Mr. Qiang Guo on the decision about whether　13:47:32 2　Golden Spring (New York) would agree to provide DIP　13:47:36 3　financing to the debtor here?　13:47:40 4　A. What do you mean, consulted?　13:47:42 5　Q. Do you know what consulted means?　13:47:45 6　A. Of course I know.　13:47:48 7　Q. Okay. So were you consulted by　13:47:49 8　Mr. Qiang Guo about the decision on whether　13:47:53 9　Golden Spring (New York) would agree to provide DIP　13:47:59 10　financing to the debtor?　13:48:03 11　A. You mean he -- when he was making the　13:48:05 12　decision?　13:48:08 13　Q. Well, we're going to get to who made the　13:48:09 14　decision. I'm trying to figure out whether you were　13:48:14 15　involved and, if so, how. You told me a couple of　13:48:18 16　minutes ago that you were not involved with the　13:48:23 17　decision.　13:48:25 18　I'm asking if Mr. Qiang Guo spoke to you　13:48:26 19　about the decision.　13:48:30 20　A. Yes.　13:48:33 21　He spoke to me about the decision.　13:48:34 22　Q. Before he made it or after?　13:48:36 23　A. After.　13:48:40 24　Q. And am I right that the decision was his,　13:48:41 25　not yours? Correct?　13:48:47 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 161 of 280 1　A. Golden Spring has been the litigation　13:48:49 2　funding for Mr. Qiang Guo's father, I mean, for　13:48:56 3　several years. Mr. Qiang Guo made the decision,　13:49:01 4　given the short time apparent. As the president of　13:49:05 5　the company, I am aligned with that, and he knew and　13:49:09 6　he knows I am going to align with that.　13:49:13 7　Q. I see.　13:49:15 8　A. So no need --　13:49:16 9　Q. And is that --　13:49:16 10　A. No need to argue that, yeah, if that is what　13:49:17 11　you are looking for.　13:49:20 12　Q. I'm -- I'm -- I'm -- you know, I'm not　13:49:21 13　trying to argue with you. I'm just trying to　13:49:22 14　understand what happened.　13:49:25 15　And so how about this?　13:49:28 16　You understand that litigation funding in　13:49:31 17　the past that Golden Spring may have provided to　13:49:37 18　Mr. Ho Wan Kwok is different from the DIP loan that　13:49:46 19　we are talking about today? You understand that　13:49:49 20　those are two different things; right?　13:49:51 21　A. Correct.　13:49:54 22　Q. Okay. And so I would like to focus just on　13:49:54 23　the DIP loan and not litigation financing that may　13:49:58 24　have occurred in the past.　13:50:03 25　Do you understand?　13:50:05 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 162 of 280 1　A. Yes.　13:50:06 2　Q. Okay. And so do I have it right that　13:50:10 3　according to you, the decision about whether to agree　13:50:13 4　to the DIP loan for the debtor was Mr. Qiang Guo's　13:50:20 5　decision? Correct?　13:50:27 6　A. He made a decision, obviously on behalf of　13:50:34 7　Golden Spring, and he is the owner of the company.　13:50:41 8　And we're aligned.　13:50:43 9　Q. Okay. And you are the president, and all　13:50:45 10　those other titles, of Golden Spring (New York)　13:50:49 11　Limited; correct?　13:50:52 12　A. Correct.　13:50:58 13　Q. Have you ever disagreed with Mr. Qiang Guo　13:50:59 14　about a decision that he has made?　13:51:02 15　A. Yes, of course.　13:51:03 16　Q. Okay. And did he solicit your agreement for　13:51:06 17　this decision?　13:51:08 18　A. For this DIP loan decision, you mean?　13:51:09 19　Q. Uh-huh.　13:51:13 20　A. No.　13:51:14 21　Why?　13:51:19 22　Q. He just -- he told you --　13:51:20 23　A. Why?　13:51:21 24　Q. He told you -- he told you about it after he　13:51:22 25　had made a decision; correct?　13:51:24 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 163 of 280 1　A. He briefed me what happened.　13:51:26 2　Q. What did he tell you?　13:51:30 3　A. About this DIP loan, and then he didn't have　13:51:31 4　enough time within the short limit of time. He took　13:51:38 5　care of that.　13:51:42 6　Q. Okay.　13:51:43 7　A. So he always advise me with something in the　13:51:44 8　short limit of time or urgency kind of like it.　13:51:47 9　Q. Okay.　13:51:51 10　A. And then he took it like that. He briefed　13:51:52 11　me. That's it.　13:51:56 12　Q. Okay. And I will ask you one more time what　13:51:57 13　he said when he briefed you, and then I'll -- I'll　13:52:01 14　try this another way.　13:52:04 15　A. Okay.　13:52:06 16　Q. What did he say when he briefed you, if you　13:52:06 17　remember? I mean, this was, what, a month ago?　13:52:09 18　A. So what are you asking about? Like, when　13:52:14 19　the brief happened or the DIP loan happened, sir?　13:52:16 20　Q. Fifteen seconds ago you told me a couple of　13:52:18 21　times that Mr. Qiang Guo briefed you.　13:52:22 22　Do you remember that?　13:52:26 23　A. Yes.　13:52:27 24　Q. What did he say when he briefed you?　13:52:28 25　A. He said he retained attorney and worked　13:52:32 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 164 of 280 1　together with the lenders' attorney and then -- to　13:52:45 2　take care of the DIP loan. And that is what he told　13:52:48 3　me.　13:52:53 4　Q. Okay. Was that the first time you had heard　13:52:53 5　about the DIP loan?　13:52:57 6　A. No.　13:52:59 7　Q. Who was the first person you heard about it　13:53:01 8　from?　13:53:05 9　A. I heard from the attorneys -- our attorneys.　13:53:06 10　Q. Okay. Before this conversation with　13:53:10 11　Qiang Guo?　13:53:13 12　A. Correct. Yes.　13:53:14 13　Q. Have you ever spoken with Mr. Ho Wan Kwok　13:53:23 14　about the DIP loan ever?　13:53:26 15　A. I don't recall.　13:53:29 16　Q. Is it possible that you have?　13:53:32 17　A. Unlikely. I don't recall.　13:53:36 18　Q. How often do you speak with Mr. Ho Wan Kwok?　13:53:48 19　A. Oh, we meet as needed.　13:53:51 20　Q. A few times a week?　13:53:56 21　A. As needed.　13:54:00 22　Q. More or less than a few times a week?　13:54:02 23　A. As needed.　13:54:07 24　Q. I mean, as needed could be twenty times　13:54:11 25　a day, Ms. Wang.　13:54:14 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 165 of 280 1　Do you talk to him twenty times a day?　13:54:16 2　A. Obviously not.　13:54:19 3　Q. Well, it is not obvious because you won't　13:54:20 4　answer the question.　13:54:22 5　How often do you speak to him?　13:54:23 6　MR. ROSEN: Objection.　13:54:27 7　THE WITNESS: As needed.　13:54:28 8　MR. ROSEN: Counsel, please specify a time　13:54:29 9　frame.　13:54:32 10　MR. HARBACH: Sure.　13:54:33 11　BY MR. HARBACH:　13:54:34 12　Q. From the moment you learned about the DIP　13:54:34 13　loan from some attorney until today, how frequently　13:54:37 14　have you spoken with Mr. Kwok Ho Wan?　13:54:44 15　A. Oh, I think I met him, like, more than　13:54:51 16　a week ago -- a week ago.　13:54:55 17　Q. Okay. That's one time.　13:54:58 18　Any other times you can think of?　13:55:04 19　A. I don't recall.　13:55:07 20　Q. On that one occasion that you do recall, did　13:55:10 21　you discuss the DIP loan with Mr. Ho Wan Kwok?　13:55:15 22　A. No.　13:55:19 23　Q. When you saw Mr. Kwok most recently -- you　13:55:40 24　said it was about a week ago -- was that in the　13:55:45 25　Golden Spring (New York) offices?　13:55:48 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 166 of 280 1　A. Yes.　13:55:52 2　Q. Okay. Do you recall what you did discuss　13:55:52 3　with him on that occasion?　13:55:56 4　A. We just -- like, I send my regards, like,　13:55:58 5　social.　13:56:09 6　And he asked, are you doing good; right?　13:56:10 7　So that's it, yeah.　13:56:13 8　We chat -- and he chat whether I am safe,　13:56:14 9　and I did the same. That's it. We didn't -- we　13:56:17 10　didn't chat about other stuff. I don't -- we didn't.　13:56:20 11　Q. Okay. And that was it, just -- just, like,　13:56:23 12　hi, how are you, that sort of thing?　13:56:26 13　A. Yes.　13:56:29 14　Obviously he was here, I believe, like,　13:56:29 15　meeting his attorneys. And I -- because this is my　13:56:33 16　office; so I arranged the office, like, you know,　13:56:39 17　like, take care of them; like, you know, arrange　13:56:44 18　their food and coffee, those kinds of stuff; so my　13:56:46 19　office did that for them.　13:56:49 20　Q. Your office or you?　13:56:51 21　A. My office. I instructed my office to do　13:56:52 22　that.　13:56:58 23　Q. Okay. You have -- in your capacity as　13:56:58 24　president and so forth of Golden Spring -- you know　13:57:16 25　what I mean by and so forth; right?　13:57:20 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 167 of 280 1　A. I don't really know that.　13:57:23 2　Q. Okay.　13:57:25 3　A. What means so forth?　13:57:26 4　Q. Sure.　13:57:27 5　I mean all those other titles, president,　13:57:29 6　secretary, treasurer, director.　13:57:33 7　You hold all four titles; right?　13:57:35 8　A. Correct.　13:57:37 9　Q. Okay. And you are the only president;　13:57:38 10　correct?　13:57:40 11　A. Correct.　13:57:41 12　Q. The only treasurer; correct?　13:57:42 13　A. Yes.　13:57:44 14　Q. Okay. And what decisions are you empowered　13:57:44 15　to make in those roles without Qiang Guo's　13:58:00 16　permission?　13:58:06 17　A. I make most of the daily operation decisions　13:58:06 18　in here. Of course, I will brief him when we meet or　13:58:15 19　chat, but I made the, like, daily operation decision　13:58:19 20　by myself in here.　13:58:25 21　Q. How much is the -- the DIP loan that is at　13:58:26 22　issue in this case?　13:58:29 23　A. The DIP loan is \$8 million U.S.　13:58:30 24　Q. And who did you learn that from?　13:58:39 25　A. Who did I got this from? From　13:58:41 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 168 of 280 1　Mr. Qiang Guo.　13:58:46 2　Q. Okay. Do you know where the \$8 million　13:58:46 3　figure came from?　13:58:54 4　A. When Mr. Qiang Guo advise me, he advise he　13:58:55 5　will take care of that also, as we always did. Like　13:59:06 6　the fund; like, for example, like, you asked did his　13:59:10 7　father ask for buy something, like, he will -- I have　13:59:14 8　to escalate for him. He will make a decision for him　13:59:17 9　that way.　13:59:21 10　Q. I'm trying to understand, if you know, how　13:59:22 11　the figure of \$8 million was arrived at.　13:59:29 12　MR. ROSEN: Could we have the -- the　13:59:33 13　interpreter on that?　13:59:35 14　I believe the witness may have misunderstood　13:59:36 15　the question the first time.　13:59:39 16　MR. HARBACH: Sure.　13:59:41 17　Ms. Johnston, do you need me to repeat it?　13:59:42 18　THE INTERPRETER: Yes, please.　13:59:47 19　BY MR. HARBACH:　13:59:48 20　Q. Ms. Wang, I'm asking if you know how the　13:59:49 21　\$8 million figure was arrived at.　13:59:55 22　THE INTERPRETER: (Question interpreted.)　13:59:55 23　THE WITNESS: (Through the Interpreter)　14:00:17 24　I was not involved in how the \$8 million was arrived;　14:00:22 25　so I do not have any personal knowledge.　14:00:28 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 169 of 280 1　BY MR. HARBACH:　14:00:32 2　Q. Did Mr. Qiang Guo ever tell you how the　14:00:32 3　\$8 million figure was arrived at?　14:00:35 4　A. (In English) No.　14:00:38 5　Q. Are you familiar with the terms of the DIP　14:00:52 6　loan?　14:01:00 7　A. You just asked me, yes. Now, yes.　14:01:01 8　MR. HARBACH: Let's use the interpreter,　14:01:11 9　please.　14:01:13 10　Ms. Johnston, could you please ask: Are you　14:01:15 11　familiar with the terms of the DIP loan?　14:01:19 12　THE INTERPRETER: (Question interpreted.)　14:01:34 13　THE WITNESS: (Through the Interpreter)　14:01:34 14　This was my first time involved in this matter; so　14:01:50 15　I know it was a loan. But I am unfamiliar with the　14:01:54 16　terms.　14:01:58 17　BY MR. HARBACH:　14:02:05 18　Q. Have you read the DIP loan agreement?　14:02:05 19　A. (In English) Briefly, I went through, yes.　14:02:08 20　Q. When was that?　14:02:17 21　A. You mean when or what?　14:02:18 22　Q. I'm sorry.　14:02:23 23　When? When did you go through it briefly?　14:02:24 24　A. Oh, when I was -- I prepped with the　14:02:28 25　counsels, I believe.　14:02:35 1 Q. Okay. And how long ago was that? 14:02:36 2 A. I'm sorry. 14:02:40 3 What was your question? How long ago was 14:02:44 4 that? 14:02:47 5 Q. Yes, ma'am. 14:02:47 6 I'm -- I'm -- I'm -- I'm not interested in 14:02:49 7 what any of the attorneys told you, but I am 14:02:51 8 interested in when you met with them. 14:02:54 9 So when was it that you read the DIP loan 14:02:56 10 agreement? 14:03:00 11 A. When, you ask; right? 14:03:01 12 Q. Correct. 14:03:03 13 A. Before this deposition. Yesterday. 14:03:04 14 Q. Yesterday? 14:03:10 15 A. Yes. 14:03:13 16 Q. Was -- was yesterday the first time you saw 14:03:14 17 the DIP loan agreement? 14:03:19 18 A. I know it existed before yesterday, but 14:03:23 19 I didn't pay too much of attention until my attorney, 14:03:28 20 like, prepped me. 14:03:34 21 Q. Was yesterday the first day you saw the DIP 14:03:36 22 loan agreement? 14:03:40 23 A. I didn't recall. I may have seen that 14:03:43 24 before, but I couldn't recall. 14:03:46 25 MR. HARBACH: Scott, this question is not 14:03:54 Page 145 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 170 of 280 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 171 of 280 1　remotely intended to invade the privilege, but I hope　14:03:56 2　you will understand why I am asking it.　14:04:01 3　BY MR. HARBACH:　14:04:03 4　Q. Ms. Wang, when you met with the attorneys　14:04:04 5　yesterday, was there an interpreter available to help　14:04:06 6　you?　14:04:09 7　A. No.　14:04:13 8　Q. When you read the DIP loan agreement　14:04:18 9　yesterday, did you understand it?　14:04:21 10　A. I know it is a loan. It is 8 million, and　14:04:31 11　interest is at 5 percent and subject to the court to　14:04:34 12　approve by the end.　14:04:38 13　Q. Okay. Do you know anything else about the　14:04:42 14　conditions that are attached to the loan?　14:04:46 15　A. I learned from the reading it is kind of　14:04:51 16　like a 50 percent pay the lender -- no. The debtors　14:04:55 17　professional. Another 50 percent is going to pay　14:05:00 18　U.S. Trustee and the other attorney related.　14:05:05 19　Q. Are you familiar with the term events of　14:05:10 20　default?　14:05:14 21　A. You mean in this DIP loan agreement?　14:05:15 22　Q. Yes, ma'am.　14:05:21 23　A. I didn't pay attention about that.　14:05:22 24　Q. Do you know what any of the events of　14:05:25 25　default that are in this DIP loan agreement are?　14:05:29 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 172 of 280 1　A. Can I have, like, interpreter help me on　14:05:32 2　this? Because it is about this DIP loan details.　14:05:40 3　Q. Of course. Of course.　14:05:44 4　MR. HARBACH: I'll repeat it for　14:05:46 5　Ms. Johnston.　14:05:49 6　BY MR. HARBACH:　14:05:51 7　Q. Do you know what any of the events of　14:05:51 8　default in this DIP loan agreement are?　14:05:53 9　THE INTERPRETER: (Question interpreted.)　14:05:53 10　THE WITNESS: I don't recall.　14:06:10 11　BY MR. HARBACH:　14:06:10 12　Q. You don't recall or you don't know?　14:06:10 13　A. I don't recall.　14:06:15 14　Q. Do you know who Arethusa Forsyth is?　14:06:17 15　A-r-e-t-h-u-s-a, last name F, like Frank,　14:06:50 16　o-r-s-y-t-h.　14:06:58 17　Do you know who that person is?　14:07:00 18　A. This is attorney retained by Mr. Qiang Guo　14:07:04 19　work on this DIP loan.　14:07:09 20　Q. Did you have any -- withdrawn.　14:07:10 21　Do you know how Attorney Forsyth is being　14:07:16 22　paid?　14:07:28 23　A. I'm sorry.　14:07:29 24　Interpreter, can I have some support?　14:07:30 25　THE INTERPRETER: (Question interpreted.)　14:07:30 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 173 of 280 1　THE WITNESS: Ah, okay. Again, not my　14:07:39 2　native language.　14:07:41 3　So Mr. Qiang Guo advised me, and he is　14:07:42 4　taking care of that also. Because this attorney　14:07:46 5　based in UK; so like, where Mr. Qiang Guo is at. He　14:07:52 6　will take care. For Golden Spring, we didn't receive　14:07:56 7　invoice yet. Probably will come, but I didn't see　14:08:00 8　that yet.　14:08:03 9　BY MR. HARBACH:　14:08:04 10　Q. So when Mr. Qiang Guo told you that he would　14:08:04 11　take care of it, you understood that to mean that　14:08:07 12　Golden Spring (New York) would pay for her services;　14:08:10 13　is that right?　14:08:14 14　A. That is my understanding. For　14:08:15 15　Golden Spring, like, we didn't receive invoice. If　14:08:21 16　we receive that invoice, we will take care of that.　14:08:23 17　Q. Okay. Are there any other current officers　14:08:26 18　and directors of Golden Spring (New York) Limited,　14:08:50 19　besides you and Qiang Guo?　14:08:57 20　A. No.　14:09:03 21　Only me and him.　14:09:03 22　Q. Okay. Am I right that there was a time,　14:09:05 23　a few months in 2020, when you were replaced as　14:09:14 24　president by someone named Daniel Podhaskie,　14:09:23 25　P-o-d-h-a-s-k-i-e? Is that right?　14:09:27 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 174 of 280 1　A.　Correct.　14:09:37 2　Q.　It looks like Mr. Podhaskie was in those　14:09:38 3　roles for a little less than two months.　14:09:49 4　Does that sound about right to you?　14:09:53 5　A.　Yes.　14:09:55 6　Q.　Okay. And why was it that he replaced you　14:09:58 7　for those couple of months?　14:10:02 8　A.　Because I -- I was -- I had personal issue　14:10:04 9　by then, which I couldn't perform as my job as duty.　14:10:13 10　Q.　I see.　14:10:20 11　And when that personal issue was resolved,　14:10:21 12　you returned --　14:10:25 13　A.　That's right.　14:10:28 14　Q.　-- is that right?　14:10:29 15　A.　Yes. That's right.　14:10:30 16　Q.　Okay. Did you have a briefing with　14:10:31 17　Mr. Podhaskie when you came back on the job?　14:10:50 18　A.　I don't recall.　14:10:59 19　Q.　Okay. Do you recall, in any conversations　14:11:02 20　with Mr. Podhaskie, whether he was in contact with　14:11:08 21　Mr. Ho Wan Kwok?　14:11:14 22　A.　No.　14:11:19 23　I don't recall. We just handed over, like,　14:11:22 24　the daily operation work. I mean, I don't recall　14:11:31 25　anything more than that.　14:11:35 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 175 of 280 1　Q. To your knowledge, is Mr. Podhaskie　14:11:36 2　currently, as of today, working for Golden Spring　14:11:45 3　(New York)?　14:11:48 4　A. No.　14:11:48 5　Q. Who is the current general counsel of　14:11:50 6　Golden Spring (New York)?　14:11:56 7　MR. ROSEN: I'm going to object to that　14:12:00 8　question, and I have been advised for matters of　14:12:02 9　personal security that general counsel does not wish　14:12:09 10　to disclose general counsel's identity.　14:12:12 11　MR. HARBACH: Okay. I think I can work　14:12:17 12　around it, Scott. Just don't hesitate to interrupt　14:12:19 13　if -- if you want to, but I'm going to try and work　14:12:23 14　around that.　14:12:26 15　Okay?　14:12:27 16　MR. ROSEN: Okay.　14:12:27 17　BY MR. HARBACH:　14:12:27 18　Q. Ms. Wang, your lawyer doesn't want you to　14:12:28 19　say the name, but do you know who the current general　14:12:31 20　counsel of Golden Spring (New York) is?　14:12:35 21　A. Yes, I know.　14:12:37 22　Q. Okay. And do you communicate with that　14:12:39 23　person?　14:12:42 24　A. Yes, we do.　14:12:46 25　Q. How regularly? How often do you communicate　14:12:49 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 176 of 280 1　with that person?　14:12:52 2　A. We communicated -- it is not a daily basis,　14:12:53 3　but several times per week.　14:13:03 4　Q. Okay. I find it interesting that you have　14:13:06 5　a clear recollection of how often you speak with the　14:13:13 6　general counsel, but no recollection with any clarity　14:13:18 7　of how often you speak with Mr. Ho Wan Kwok.　14:13:24 8　Can you explain that?　14:13:28 9　A. Yes, sir.　14:13:31 10　Because I'm the president of the　14:13:33 11　Golden Spring, and that is my job to communicate with　14:13:35 12　my employee, including my general counsel and the　14:13:38 13　rest of our employees; so that is my job. I am being　14:13:42 14　paid to do that; so Mr. Ho Wan Kwok -- I mean, we　14:13:46 15　don't communicate on a regular basis or any -- kind　14:13:53 16　of like as you said, a regular basis. We just　14:13:56 17　communicate as we need. I mean, he is not employee;　14:13:59 18　right?　14:14:04 19　And then I don't report to him; so why　14:14:04 20　should I, you know, keep that rhythm and then to talk　14:14:07 21　with someone who is not in my job work?　14:14:10 22　Q. Just one moment, please. Hang on one　14:14:14 23　second.　14:14:24 24　When was the current general counsel of　14:14:49 25　Golden Spring hired?　14:14:52 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 177 1　A. Less than two years ago.　14:14:53 2　Q. Okay.　14:15:05 3　A. Less than -- closer to two years.　14:15:11 4　Q. Approximately two years ago?　14:15:14 5　A. Yes.　14:15:17 6　About two years ago. A little more or less.　14:15:18 7　Q. Okay. And -- and were you involved in the　14:15:22 8　decision to hire this person?　14:15:28 9　A. Yes.　14:15:30 10　I make all the decision about the　14:15:35 11　recruitment as the president of the company.　14:15:38 12　Q. How many other people did you interview for　14:15:41 13　that position?　14:15:45 14　A. Wow. I mean, when I hire people, I'm pretty　14:15:47 15　much, if I can say, picky; so I did interview, like,　14:15:56 16　several candidates.　14:16:02 17　Q. Okay. Do you know where the person who is　14:16:04 18　currently the general counsel worked immediately　14:16:09 19　before coming to Golden Spring?　14:16:13 20　A. Can you please repeat again?　14:16:20 21　Q. Yes.　14:16:23 22　A. Sorry.　14:16:24 23　Q. The -- the person who is general counsel of　14:16:25 24　Golden Spring, who you said you were involved in　14:16:28 25　hiring, where did that person work immediately before　14:16:31 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 178 of 280 1　Golden Spring, if you know?　14:16:36 2　A. I do know, but I don't feel comfortable to　14:16:41 3　give any details about my current employee --　14:16:44 4　Q. Okay.　14:16:47 5　A. -- and including previous employer.　14:16:48 6　Q. How about this?　14:16:51 7　A. That safety reason again.　14:16:52 8　Q. Give me -- give me the -- give me the first　14:16:54 9　letter of the company where the general counsel　14:16:56 10　worked before coming to Golden Spring.　14:16:59 11　MR. ROSEN: Objection. That's -- that is　14:17:02 12　the -- it is the same issue.　14:17:04 13　MR. HARBACH: Because of the first letter?　14:17:10 14　MR. ROSEN: We are not playing, you know,　14:17:12 15　twenty questions here. David, c'mon.　14:17:14 16　BY MR. HARBACH:　14:17:24 17　Q. Was the general counsel's prior employer --　14:17:24 18　was the identity of the general counsel's prior　14:17:31 19　employer a factor in your decision to hire that　14:17:39 20　person?　14:17:44 21　A. Well, I don't understand your question, sir.　14:17:44 22　Can I ask for the interpreter to help me?　14:17:46 23　Sorry.　14:17:49 24　Q. No problem.　14:17:51 25　MR. HARBACH: Here we go, Ms. Johnston.　14:17:52 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 179 of 280 BY MR. HARBACH: 14:17:55 2 Q. Is the -- was the identity of the general 14:17:55 counsel's provider employer a factor in your decision 14:17:58 to hire that person? 14:18:05 5 THE INTERPRETER: (Question interpreted.) 14:18:24 6 THE WITNESS: When I interview and hire 14:18:31 people, like the previous employer before me, that 14:18:33 does matter also. And, obviously, you know, I want 14:18:40 to hire the high quality of talent; right? 14:18:44 10 Where they are from, that do matter. And, 14:18:48 plus, I still care about, like, the loyalty with the 14:18:51 previous job. You already -- I don't like, you know, 14:18:54 employee or the candidate jumping too often from job 14:18:59 to job. But besides that, you know, I do care about, 14:19:04 like, the interview -- the feeling of the interview; 14:19:09 right? 14:19:11 17 The understanding and the communication and 14:19:12 the people skill, of course the capability of 14:19:14 professional, that all matters; so to answer your 14:19:17 question, the previous employer does matter, but it 14:19:20 is not only the -- only one reason for me to make 14:19:23 a decision to send out the offer. 14:19:27 BY MR. HARBACH: 14:19:31 24 Q. Did you contact this general counsel's 14:19:31 previous employer during the hiring process? 14:19:34 Page 154 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 180 of 280 1　A. I remember my HR department by then, they　14:19:42 2　conducted the background check and reference check.　14:19:47 3　I didn't do that by myself. I have a company do　14:19:51 4　that.　14:19:54 5　Q. So you did -- you, personally, did not speak　14:19:54 6　to anyone at this person's prior employer; correct?　14:19:57 7　A. I mean, I manage the entire, like, employee.　14:20:03 8　I mean, as the president of the company, my　14:20:06 9　understanding is you are the -- the HR department　14:20:09 10　will do that for me; right?　14:20:12 11　Q. You know, Ms. Wang, it is a simple question.　14:20:14 12　I'm not suggesting you should have. I'm just asking　14:20:17 13　whether you did.　14:20:20 14　A. No, I didn't.　14:20:21 15　Q. Okay.　14:20:23 16　A. My HR department did that, uh-huh.　14:20:24 17　Q. Okay. Did you personally conduct any of the　14:20:27 18　reference calls for this person?　14:20:30 19　A. No.　14:20:32 20　I didn't do that. But my -- my -- in　14:20:35 21　person, my -- personally.　14:20:40 22　Q. But your understanding is that somebody in　14:20:43 23　your HR department did?　14:20:44 24　A. Correct.　14:20:46 25　Q. Are there any other inhouse lawyers for　14:20:47 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 181 of 280 1　Golden Spring (New York), apart from the general　14:21:00 2　counsel?　14:21:03 3　A. Which time period you are asking, sir?　14:21:04 4　Q. Currently.　14:21:10 5　A. No.　14:21:12 6　Q. How many employees does Golden Spring　14:21:14 7　(New York) Limited currently have?　14:21:26 8　MR. ROSEN: I believe that information has　14:21:34 9　been previously provided. And I believe, David, you　14:21:36 10　are aware of the sensitivity to the employee issue.　14:21:41 11　I -- I don't think we have an objection to answering　14:21:45 12　how many employees there are, but I would ask you　14:21:50 13　not -- not to get into any personal or identifying　14:21:54 14　information with respect to that.　14:21:57 15　MR. HARBACH: Yeah. I -- I -- thank you,　14:22:00 16　Scott.　14:22:02 17　I do understand the position of　14:22:04 18　Golden Spring (New York) as had been represented to　14:22:06 19　us by counsel and repeated by counsel for the debtor　14:22:09 20　in -- in a previous proceeding; so I will respect　14:22:14 21　your request for purposes of this deposition while　14:22:22 22　noting that we disagree strongly with the -- the　14:22:25 23　basis of it.　14:22:29 24　BY MR. HARBACH:　14:22:33 25　Q. So for the moment, Ms. Wang, my question is　14:22:33 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 182 of 280 1　just the number of employees.　14:22:36 2　How many employees currently work at　14:22:38 3　Golden Spring (New York) Limited?　14:22:43 4　A. Oh, currently I believe it is about fourteen　14:22:45 5　of them, including myself.　14:22:53 6　Q. Including you?　14:22:55 7　A. Yes.　14:22:58 8　Q. Does that also include Mr. Qiang Guo? Or　14:22:58 9　no?　14:23:04 10　A. No.　14:23:05 11　Q. Okay. So you and the general counsel --　14:23:05 12　does that include that person?　14:23:10 13　A. Correct.　14:23:13 14　Q. Okay. So you, the general counsel, and　14:23:14 15　twelve other people?　14:23:21 16　A. Yes.　14:23:23 17　Q. Do all of those people work at the family　14:23:23 18　office?　14:23:32 19　MR. ROSEN: I object to this. The -- there　14:23:36 20　are issues of physical security that I have been　14:23:38 21　alerted to. And if -- if -- if you would like,　14:23:41 22　David, I do have a statement from the Golden Spring　14:23:47 23　security team that I could read into the record.　14:23:50 24　If -- if -- if you think it is appropriate. But --　14:23:54 25　MR. HARBACH: I -- I appreciate that, Scott.　14:23:59 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 183 of 280 1　I mean, I -- as I said before, we -- we understand　14:24:02 2　the position that you are taking. And if your　14:24:05 3　position is whether all employees work in the same　14:24:08 4　location presents a security risk such that you are　14:24:13 5　going to direct the witness not to answer, that is　14:24:16 6　okay. I'll just note for the record that we -- we　14:24:19 7　disagree and reserve the right to take it up with the　14:24:22 8　Judge, like we do just about all of the objections　14:24:26 9　that have been made today. But -- but -- but that is　14:24:30 10　sufficient for present purposes, if that is okay with　14:24:34 11　you.　14:24:36 12　MR. ROSEN: Yes.　14:24:37 13　That -- that is fine.　14:24:38 14　MR. HARBACH: Okay.　14:24:40 15　BY MR. HARBACH:　14:24:41 16　Q. Does Golden Spring -- as far as -- as you　14:24:52 17　are concerned, Ms. Wang, does Golden Spring　14:24:54 18　(New York) Limited expect to be repaid for the DIP　14:24:59 19　loan?　14:25:05 20　A. It is a loan, yes. Golden Spring is going　14:25:06 21　to expect to be repaid.　14:25:12 22　Q. We were speaking earlier about bank accounts　14:25:14 23　and whatnot, and I'm -- and I'm not intending to　14:25:30 24　reopen that can of worms, but I am going to ask this　14:25:33 25　precise question.　14:25:38 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 184 of 280 1　What is the source of the moneys that will　14:25:38 2　fund the DIP loan if it is approved?　14:25:41 3　A. And it will be arranged by Mr. Qiang Guo　14:25:43 4　directly.　14:25:53 5　Q. What is the source of the moneys that will　14:25:53 6　fund the DIP loan if it is approved?　14:25:58 7　A. It will be arranged by Mr. Qiang Guo　14:26:06 8　directly.　14:26:08 9　Q. Do you know where the money will come from?　14:26:08 10　A. I was not advised it yet, but Mr. Qiang Guo　14:26:13 11　said that he will take care of that, as he always do.　14:26:19 12　Q. So you are president and treasurer of　14:26:22 13　Golden Spring. You are here testifying today about　14:26:25 14　a DIP loan, as I have been reminded countless times.　14:26:29 15　And your testimony is that you do not know where the　14:26:35 16　money to fund the DIP loan is coming from.　14:26:39 17　Have I got that right?　14:26:45 18　MR. ROSEN: Objection. That　14:26:47 19　mischaracterizes the witness' testimony.　14:26:48 20　You can answer the question.　14:26:55 21　THE WITNESS: It will be arranged by　14:26:56 22　Mr. Qiang Guo directly from his or -- his wealth, in　14:26:58 23　my understanding, as always we do.　14:27:06 24　BY MR. HARBACH:　14:27:10 25　Q. Did he tell you that?　14:27:11 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 185 of 280 1　A. He advised me he will take care of that.　14:27:15 2　Q. Did he tell you where the money was coming　14:27:18 3　from?　14:27:20 4　A. So far not yet. But he said he will take　14:27:21 5　care of that, as he always does.　14:27:26 6　Q. Did you ask him where the money was coming　14:27:27 7　from?　14:27:30 8　A. I didn't.　14:27:31 9　Q. Okay.　14:27:37 10　A. He said he will take care of that.　14:27:39 11　Q. No.　14:27:40 12　I -- I -- I understand that he said he will　14:27:41 13　take care of it. I'm just asking if you know where　14:27:43 14　the money was coming from, and -- and I think I have　14:27:46 15　got the answer.　14:27:49 16　A. We have trust between each other for so many　14:27:51 17　years. When -- as the owner of the company, he said　14:27:54 18　he will take care of that, and I will just let him do　14:27:57 19　his part. I am doing my part; right? So　14:28:01 20　Q. Listen, that -- that is fine. But you have　14:28:05 21　been tendered as the person at Golden Spring　14:28:07 22　(New York) Limited with knowledge about all these　14:28:11 23　topics that we have noticed. One of the topics is　14:28:14 24　the source of funds used by Golden Spring to finance　14:28:17 25　the DIP loan agreement. And so I -- I just asked you　14:28:21 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 186 of 280 1　if you know, and so we are clear, your answer is you　14:28:26 2　don't know, but Qiang Guo said he would take care of　14:28:31 3　it, and that's enough for you.　14:28:35 4　MR. ROSEN: That's -- objection. That　14:28:38 5　mischaracterizes the testimony.　14:28:40 6　MR. HARBACH: Oh, Scott, how does that　14:28:42 7　mischaracterize the testimony?　14:28:44 8　MR. ROSEN: Because she also testified that　14:28:45 9　it could be from his wealth.　14:28:47 10　BY MR. HARBACH:　14:28:47 11　Q. Okay. So did he -- did he say that? My　14:28:50 12　question is did he say that to you? Did he say that　14:28:57 13　I am -- I'm going to take care of it from my wealth?　14:28:59 14　Is that what he said?　14:29:02 15　A. Correct.　14:29:09 16　Q. He said that to you?　14:29:09 17　A. Yes.　14:29:12 18　As always, we chat. He briefed me. He　14:29:13 19　said, I will take care of that. You don't worry.　14:29:17 20　And I have place to rent. My understanding, after so　14:29:20 21　many years, that will come from his wealth.　14:29:23 22　Q. Okay. So he did not say to you, I will take　14:29:26 23　care of it from my money. He just said, I will take　14:29:29 24　care of it, and based on your experience with him　14:29:34 25　over the years, you understood that to mean from his　14:29:39 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 187 of 280 1　wealth.　14:29:42 2　Have I got that right?　14:29:43 3　A. So you remind me, like, he said I have it.　14:29:45 4　I will take care of that. That's his, as we said,　14:29:51 5　quote to quote. He said that to me. In my　14:29:55 6　understanding, that will come from his -- his wealth.　14:29:58 7　Q. Okay. And when was this conversation?　14:30:00 8　A. That was yesterday also.　14:30:03 9　Q. Was yesterday the -- the first time you　14:30:06 10　learned what the source of the funds used to finance　14:30:17 11　the DIP loan agreement were coming from?　14:30:24 12　A. There was a -- in order to prep the　14:30:30 13　deposition today, like, he went through this DIP loan　14:30:37 14　arrangement with me a little bit.　14:30:41 15　Q. Okay.　14:30:43 16　A. Yeah. He mentioned to me, I have it.　14:30:44 17　I will take care of that --　14:30:46 18　Q. All right.　14:30:48 19　A. -- you know, as a conversation.　14:30:49 20　Q. Fair enough.　14:30:50 21　My only question for you is when he told you　14:30:51 22　yesterday, I have it. I'll take care of it, is that　14:30:54 23　the first time you learned what the source of the DIP　14:30:58 24　loan funds would be?　14:31:03 25　A. That is the time I heard from him because　14:31:05 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 188 of 280 1　I need to prep the deposition today. But I know he　14:31:11 2　has it for so many years; so it is not, like, the　14:31:15 3　first time -- right? -- I got -- oh, you have money.　14:31:20 4　It is not like that way. I know he had it.　14:31:23 5　Q. Oh, I got it. I got you. And, believe me,　14:31:25 6　I am not trying to suggest that yesterday was the　14:31:28 7　first day you learned he had money. Not at all.　14:31:31 8　I get that.　14:31:35 9　What I'm -- what I'm trying to focus on is　14:31:36 10　was yesterday the first day that you learned that the　14:31:38 11　money that would fund the DIP loan was going to come　14:31:44 12　from Qiang Guo?　14:31:47 13　A. That was the time I heard from him, yes.　14:31:52 14　Q. Okay. What is your understanding as to how　14:31:55 15　the DIP loan is going to be repaid? If you know.　14:32:04 16　A. I don't know.　14:32:11 17　Q. Okay. Give me ten seconds, folks, please.　14:32:13 18　Excuse me.　14:32:31 19　Okay. Thanks, everybody.　14:33:24 20　Subject change.　14:33:29 21　Ms. Wang, does -- does Golden Spring　14:33:37 22　(New York) Limited have any kind of company bylaws　14:33:45 23　that you know of?　14:33:49 24　A. Yes.　14:33:50 25　We do have bylaws.　14:33:50 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 189 of 280 1　Q. Okay. And do those bylaws say anything　14:33:52 2　about decisions of the company and how they are to be　14:33:56 3　made?　14:34:04 4　A. Yes.　14:34:04 5　Q. Okay. And do those bylaws include rules　14:34:05 6　about how the -- the president and treasurer are to　14:34:10 7　be involved?　14:34:13 8　A. Yes.　14:34:14 9　Q. Okay. And as far as you are aware,　14:34:16 10　Golden Spring has operated within the constraints of　14:34:22 11　those bylaws properly as long as you have been there?　14:34:27 12　A. What do you mean, properly, sir?　14:34:31 13　Q. Well, have they -- while you have been at　14:34:34 14　Golden Spring (New York), have the rules been　14:34:38 15　followed as laid out in the bylaws?　14:34:41 16　A. I mean, we are family office. I mean, we're　14:34:44 17　private company and family office. I work for　14:34:48 18　Mr. Qiang Guo, himself, for my entire career; so　14:34:53 19　like, he authorized me to make a decision.　14:35:02 20　I communicated with him. I mean, we don't have　14:35:06 21　issue. If there is missing any paperwork, it doesn't　14:35:08 22　mean that anybody purposely do anything wrong; so we　14:35:11 23　are a family office.　14:35:14 24　Q. I'm not suggesting anything about　14:35:16 25　wrongdoing, certainly not on purpose. I asked you if　14:35:19 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 190 of 280 1　the company had bylaws. You said yes.　14:35:25 2　My next question is has the company abided　14:35:27 3　by the bylaws as long as you have been there, as far　14:35:31 4　as you know?　14:35:35 5　MR. ROSEN: Objection. That's -- that is --　14:35:37 6　that is very broad.　14:35:37 7　What particular aspect of the bylaws are you　14:35:41 8　looking for?　14:35:44 9　MR. HARBACH: Well, I tried to remain　14:35:45 10　focused on decision making and the powers of the　14:35:47 11　president and treasurer; so I guess I'll ask it that　14:35:50 12　way.　14:35:55 13　BY MR. HARBACH:　14:35:55 14　Q. Have -- have the bylaws about the authority　14:35:55 15　and power of the president and the treasurer been　14:35:58 16　respected since you have been at Golden Spring?　14:36:04 17　MR. ROSEN: Objection. The bylaws are not　14:36:07 18　in the record. It -- it is -- the question is -- is　14:36:09 19　hopelessly vague.　14:36:13 20　But you can answer.　14:36:15 21　THE WITNESS: Me and Mr. Qiang Guo, we　14:36:18 22　manage Golden Spring (New York) Limited based on our　14:36:23 23　aligned -- aligned -- our aligned agreement and　14:36:26 24　proper authorization.　14:36:31 25　/// Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 191 of 280 1　BY MR. HARBACH:　14:36:32 2　Q. Okay. Let me ask a different question.　14:36:35 3　When you were appointed as president,　14:36:40 4　secretary, treasurer of Golden Spring (New York) in　14:36:47 5　the spring of 2018 -- that's -- so that is the time　14:36:52 6　I'm focusing on -- were you aware that the company's　14:36:57 7　charter had been inoperative and void since March 1　14:37:01 8　of 2017?　14:37:07 9　MR. ROSEN: Objection. Assumes facts not on　14:37:10 10　the record.　14:37:13 11　THE WITNESS: I don't recall.　14:37:15 12　BY MR. HARBACH:　14:37:16 13　Q. Do you recall ever executing a revival --　14:37:18 14　a certificate of revival on behalf of Golden Spring　14:37:23 15　(New York) Limited to correct that problem?　14:37:27 16　A. I don't recall. If you have documents, you　14:37:33 17　can remind me, sir.　14:37:36 18　Q. Give me just one second.　14:37:38 19　Okay. I think we're going to put up another　14:39:17 20　exhibit here real quick that might help you remember.　14:39:21 21　MR. HARBACH: Yeah. It is 808. Yeah. It　14:39:30 22　is 808.　14:39:40 23　(Deposition Exhibit Number 5　14:39:43 24　was marked for identification.)　14:39:46 25　MR. HARBACH: Thanks for your patience.　14:39:46 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 192 of 280 1　I think we have got the document here.　14:39:49 2　THE WITNESS: Sorry.　14:40:02 3　Sir, can we have a break after this　14:40:05 4　document?　14:40:07 5　BY MR. HARBACH:　14:40:08 6　Q. Sure.　14:40:08 7　A. Thank you.　14:40:09 8　Q. Okay. So what is fixing to come through is　14:40:18 9　Exhibit 5. There we go.　14:40:21 10　All right. I had myself muted. I'm sorry.　14:41:02 11　Could you please go to the last page of　14:41:04 12　Exhibit 5.　14:41:07 13　A. (Witness complies.)　14:41:08 14　Yes. I'm here.　14:41:09 15　Q. Okay. You see how this one is captioned　14:41:10 16　state of Delaware, certificate for revival of　14:41:14 17　charter?　14:41:18 18　A. Yes.　14:41:18 19　Q. And there is a signature at the bottom.　14:41:19 20　Is that yours?　14:41:23 21　A. Yes.　14:41:24 22　Q. And the very bottom right hand of the page　14:41:27 23　it says -- there is a stamp there that says filed　14:41:30 24　ten -- there is a time of 10:23:18, I think it says.　14:41:37 25　A. Yes.　14:41:46 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 193 of 280 1　Q. Okay. So this is what I was asking you　14:41:46 2　about a minute ago. In paragraph three, it says the　14:41:52 3　date of filing of the corporation's original　14:41:56 4　certificate of incorporation in Delaware was　14:42:00 5　03/10/2015.　14:42:04 6　Do you see that?　14:42:07 7　A. Yes.　14:42:08 8　Q. So that March 10th of 2015 was the --　14:42:13 9　apparently the date of incorporation of Golden Spring　14:42:16 10　(New York) Limited.　14:42:20 11　And then if you look down at paragraph five,　14:42:21 12　it says:　14:42:25 13　"The corporation was duly organized and　14:42:26 14　carried on the business authorized by its　14:42:29 15　charter until the first day of March AD 2017,　14:42:32 16　at which time its charter became inoperative　14:42:41 17　and void for nonpayment of taxes and/or　14:42:44 18　failure to file a complete annual report and　14:42:49 19　the certificate of revival is filed by　14:42:54 20　authority of the duly elected directors of　14:42:56 21　the corporation in accordance with the laws　14:43:00 22　of the state of Delaware."　14:43:04 23　Were you able to follow along with me while　14:43:07 24　I read that?　14:43:09 25　A. Yes.　14:43:10 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 194 of 280 1　Q. Okay. So now does this refresh your　14:43:11 2　recollection about whether when you were hired at　14:43:19 3　Golden Spring in the spring of 2018 the charter had　14:43:23 4　been made inoperative and void?　14:43:32 5　A. So what is your question, sir? Are you　14:43:43 6　expecting me to reply?　14:43:46 7　Q. Yes, ma'am.　14:43:47 8　Before I dug up this document, when I asked　14:43:48 9　you that same question, you said I don't remember or　14:43:52 10　I don't recall. And you said to me, if you have any　14:43:56 11　documents, maybe that could help me; so I'm providing　14:44:00 12　you a document to try and help you.　14:44:04 13　And the question is whether seeing this　14:44:09 14　document refreshes your recollection about whether at　14:44:11 15　the time you assumed your duties at Golden Spring　14:44:15 16　(New York) in the spring of 2018 the company, in　14:44:21 17　fact, had become inoperative -- correction.　14:44:27 18　The charter of the company had become　14:44:30 19　inoperative and void.　14:44:33 20　A. So you are asking me why? Or what is your　14:44:41 21　question, sir? Why or --　14:44:45 22　Q. I'm asking whether this is, in fact, true　14:44:48 23　that at the time you were hired in the spring of　14:44:54 24　2018 -- okay? -- whether at that time the charter of　14:44:58 25　Golden Spring (New York) Limited was inoperative and　14:45:06 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 195 of 280 1　void.　14:45:12 2　MR. ROSEN: Objection. The -- the document　14:45:12 3　speaks for itself.　14:45:14 4　MR. HARBACH: It -- it does, indeed, Scott.　14:45:16 5　And that is quite fair.　14:45:19 6　Unfortunately, the history of this　14:45:21 7　litigation is that sometimes documents are challenged　14:45:23 8　as being inauthentic and forgeries when they are　14:45:26 9　plainly not; so I'm afraid I have to ask the　14:45:31 10　question.　14:45:34 11　MR. ROSEN: You can answer the question.　14:45:34 12　THE WITNESS: Sir, I don't -- I don't know　14:45:36 13　what happened before I was officially hired, but if　14:45:39 14　you read back the entire Golden Spring, including,　14:45:45 15　I believe, the corporation, was set up by attorney　14:45:49 16　from William Connolly. The attorney's name is　14:45:52 17　addressed on page three, Jerry L. Shulman; so　14:45:58 18　I know -- I got to know -- Jerry was Mr. Qiang Guo's　14:46:03 19　attorney. And William Connolly was, like, a -- what　14:46:07 20　is technically, like, the Golden Spring charters,　14:46:11 21　like, the documentation, you know, all the paperwork;　14:46:17 22　so the answer to you was, like, when I was hired --　14:46:20 23　of course, I don't know what happened before me, but,　14:46:25 24　obviously, Jerry Shulman, the attorney by then was --　14:46:28 25　maintained the -- the record here or fix the record　14:46:32 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 196 of 280 1　somehow, which I am not aware of that before me.　14:46:36 2　BY MR. HARBACH:　14:46:41 3　Q. Okay. Just a moment.　14:46:42 4　Okay. We thought we were having a fire　14:46:50 5　drill in our building, but it is only a test. Sorry　14:46:53 6　for the noise.　14:46:56 7　I understood what you said, Ms. Wang.　14:47:00 8　You -- you signed this document, and it was filed in　14:47:03 9　Delaware in October of 2018.　14:47:12 10　Do you remember signing it?　14:47:18 11　A. I don't recall. Too many years ago.　14:47:22 12　Q. I gather, from what you said a moment ago,　14:47:24 13　that if I were to ask you how you learned that the　14:47:29 14　charter of Golden Spring had become inoperative and　14:47:38 15　void, you would say it was -- it was from the　14:47:41 16　attorney you mentioned; is that right?　14:47:45 17　A. I read this from the exhibit you present to　14:47:50 18　me. And the attorney's name, Jerry Shulman, is on　14:47:56 19　that. Obviously, my understanding, he was working on　14:48:02 20　this before.　14:48:05 21　Q. Okay. Did -- do you recall having　14:48:06 22　conversations with Mr. Shulman?　14:48:08 23　A. I don't recall.　14:48:11 24　Q. And you recall Mr. Shulman -- that is　14:48:12 25　S-h-u-l-m, like Mary, a-n.　14:48:18 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 197 of 280 1　You recall him being a lawyer at　14:48:22 2　Williams & Connolly; is that right?　14:48:25 3　A. He is attorney of William Connolly, yes.　14:48:28 4　Q. Okay. And did you say -- make sure I heard　14:48:31 5　you correctly.　14:48:34 6　Did you say that -- that he and　14:48:34 7　Williams & Connolly represented Qiang Guo?　14:48:38 8　A. In these .pdf -- in these exhibit,　14:48:41 9　William Connolly, Jerry Shulman -- Jerry represents　14:48:51 10　Golden Spring Limited also.　14:48:56 11　Q. Okay. Did -- did Mr. Shulman represent　14:48:58 12　Qiang Guo?　14:49:01 13　A. I --　14:49:02 14　Q. Because I believe that is what you said　14:49:06 15　a few minutes ago. I'm just trying to make sure　14:49:08 15 a few minutes ago. I'm just trying to make sure 14:49:08 16 I heard you correctly. 14:49:11 17 A. I believe so. 14:49:13 18 Q. Okay. To your knowledge, did Mr. Shulman of 14:49:14 19 Williams & Connolly represent Ho Wan Kwok? 14:49:19 20 A. I don't know that. 14:49:22 21 Q. Okay. The -- the document that is on the 14:49:25 22 screen there says that the reason the charter became 14:49:31 23 inoperative and void was for nonpayment of taxes 14:49:37 24 and/or failure to file a complete annual report. 14:49:42 25 Do you know which of those reasons, or both 14:49:50 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 198 of 280 1　reasons, were why the charter of Golden Spring became　14:49:55 2　inoperative and void?　14:50:03 3　A. As I said, before me, what happened I don't　14:50:05 4　know. But since I was appointed, Golden Spring never　14:50:14 5　has this problem.　14:50:20 6　Q. Okay. Well, it apparently had the problem　14:50:21 7　for six months after you were appointed because the　14:50:24 8　certificate of revival wasn't filed until October; so　14:50:28 9　I'll ask the same question. And maybe you don't　14:50:35 10　know. It is okay if you don't know, but all I can do　14:50:37 11　is ask.　14:50:40 12　Do you know what the reason was why the　14:50:41 13　charter became inoperative and void?　14:50:45 14　A. I don't know the reason, but I am not able　14:50:53 15　to fix everything that happened before me from day　14:50:56 16　one I was appointed; right?　14:51:00 17　So the six months, that is a fair time. But　14:51:02 18　I need to spend on time and then start to catch up　14:51:04 19　and fix what happened before me.　14:51:08 20　Q. Yeah. And thank you.　14:51:09 21　You requested a short break.　14:51:19 22　MR. HARBACH: And why don't we take that　14:51:21 23　now.　14:51:23 24　Just so everybody knows -- I hesitate to say　14:51:24 25　it, but I'm close to finishing up. Why don't we take　14:51:28 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 199 of 280 1　a break until 3:00 o'clock.　14:51:33 2　THE VIDEOGRAPHER: We are going off the　14:51:36 3　record.　14:51:37 4　The time is 2:51 p.m.　14:51:37 5　(Short recess taken.)　15:02:54 6　THE VIDEOGRAPHER: We are back on the　15:02:54 7　record.　15:02:57 8　The time is 3:02.　15:02:57 9　MR. HARBACH: Apologies, everyone. There　15:03:28 10　was a loud announcement on our loudspeakers here.　15:03:30 11　That is why I remained muted.　15:03:34 12　BY MR. HARBACH:　15:03:34 13　Q. One cleanup question, Ms. Wang, before we　15:03:38 14　proceed to the next topic.　15:03:42 15　Could you describe one successful investment　15:03:44 16　that Golden Spring (New York) has made since you have　15:03:49 17　been president?　15:03:53 18　A. Since I was appointed as a president; so the　15:03:55 19　first job, of course, is build up the entire team and　15:04:10 20　then start back to the operation. And then we did　15:04:13 21　have some projects in discussion and then develop.　15:04:22 22　But because of a Pacific Alliance branded lawsuit,　15:04:26 23　I mean, our bank balance was very seriously hurt; so　15:04:35 24　we were not able to complete the full investment　15:04:39 25　project. But we did have some -- very prospective　15:04:43 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 200 of 280 1　one before.　15:04:49 2　Q. Okay. Leaving aside the prospective one, is　15:04:50 3　there any investment project that Golden Spring has　15:04:55 4　done that has succeeded since you have been　15:05:02 5　president?　15:05:05 6　A. As I just explained, because our banking　15:05:06 7　relationship was hurted by Pacific Alliance; so we　15:05:10 8　were not able to complete a full successful　15:05:16 9　project -- investment project.　15:05:20 10　Q. Okay. So -- so the answer is no?　15:05:22 11　A. Correct.　15:05:25 12　Q. Okay. Did you know Qiang Guo before you　15:05:26 13　became an officer and director of Golden Spring　15:05:37 14　(New York) Limited?　15:05:42 15　A. Yes.　15:05:42 16　Q. Okay. Can you describe for me one　15:05:42 17　successful business enterprise that Qiang Guo has　15:05:48 18　launched since you have known him.　15:05:54 19　A. I don't want to put his business, any　15:05:57 20　specific name, at any risk for obvious reason. But　15:06:06 21　what I can tell you is that he has been very　15:06:10 22　successful in the investment world for -- in -- in　15:06:13 23　all of -- in different countries.　15:06:19 24　Q. And isn't it true that the -- the money that　15:06:21 25　he got to invest came from his father?　15:06:25 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 201 1 A. No. 15:06:30 of 280 2　Q. Where did it come from?　15:06:31 3　A. It come from his own successful investment.　15:06:33 4　Q. Okay. I'm asking about the money that he　15:06:42 5　originally invested to become successful, didn't that　15:06:46 6　come from his father?　15:06:52 7　A. No.　15:06:54 8　Q. Okay. Where did it come from?　15:06:55 5　originally invested to become successful, didn't that　15:06:46 6　come from his father?　15:06:52 7　A. No.　15:06:54 8　Q. Okay. Where did it come from?　15:06:55 9　A. What I -- what I learned is that it come　15:06:58 10　from his family -- his extended family.　15:07:05 11　Q. Who told you that?　15:07:08 12　A. I learned from him.　15:07:12 13　Q. That is what he told you?　15:07:14 14　A. (Nods head.)　15:07:17 15　Q. Okay. Next subject, do you remember earlier　15:07:21 16　in our time today I explained to you that there was　15:07:28 17　a difference between the -- the DIP loan, which we　15:07:31 18　just talked about for some time, and then also loans　15:07:35 19　to fund litigation? Do you remember that?　15:07:39 20　A. Yes.　15:07:43 21　Q. Okay. And so now I want to talk about that　15:07:45 22　second category, which is the loans that　15:07:50 23　Golden Spring (New York) has made to Ho Wan Kwok for　15:07:55 24　litigation.　15:08:02 25　Okay?　15:08:04 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 202 of 280 1　A.　Yes.　15:08:06 2　Q.　Okay. So I -- for -- for right now I'm not　15:08:06 3　talking about the DIP loan.　15:08:09 4　Do you understand?　15:08:11 5　A.　Yes.　15:08:12 6　Q.　Okay. According to Mr. Ho Wan Kwok,　15:08:15 7　Golden Spring (New York) has loaned him approximately　15:08:23 8　\$21 million to pay for litigation costs.　15:08:29 9　My question to you is are you aware of that?　15:08:35 10　A.　Yes.　15:08:39 11　Q.　Okay. Who requested those loans?　15:08:43 12　A.　Who requested those loans? You mean the --　15:08:47 13　I mean, can you explain more about the question?　15:08:59 14　Q.　Who requested that Golden Spring (New York)　15:09:05 15　Limited would make those loans to cover　15:09:10 16　Mr. Ho Wan Kwok's litigation costs?　15:09:16 17　A.　I believe they borrowed -- requested from　15:09:21 18　Mr. Qiang Guo directly, the owner of Golden Spring.　15:09:28 19　Q.　By the borrower, you mean Mr. Ho Wan Kwok?　15:09:38 20　A.　That's right.　15:09:38 21　Q.　Are you cap- -- withdrawn.　15:09:44 22　So father asked son to make the loans.　15:09:45 23　Is that what you understand?　15:09:52 24　A.　Yes.　15:09:54 25　Q.　Okay. Who approved those loans for　15:09:54 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 203 of 280 1　Golden Spring (New York)?　15:10:03 2　A. They were approved by both Mr. Qiang Guo and　15:10:06 3　myself, as the president of Golden Spring.　15:10:13 4　Q. How did you become aware of the loans that　15:10:18 5　were requested?　15:10:20 6　A. I heard from Mr. Qiang Guo.　15:10:22 7　Q. Did you have any conversations with　15:10:28 8　Mr. Ho Wan Kwok about those loans?　15:10:30 9　A. No.　15:10:34 10　I don't recall.　15:10:37 11　Q. Okay. You never asked him what the money　15:10:38 12　was for?　15:10:43 13　A. No.　15:10:44 14　That was a conversation between　15:10:47 15　Mr. Qiang Guo and Mr. Ho Wan Kwok.　15:10:48 16　Q. Okay. Were any of the litigation loans that　15:10:51 17　Mr. Ho Wan Kwok asked for refused?　15:11:04 18　A. Yes.　15:11:12 19　Q. By whom?　15:11:14 20　A. Refused by Mr. Qiang Guo.　15:11:17 21　Q. Did you agree, in your capacity as　15:11:20 22　president, that it should have been refused?　15:11:25 23　A. I am aligned with Mr. Qiang Guo's rejection.　15:11:29 24　Q. Okay. Are you ever not aligned with his　15:11:35 25　decisions about matters involving millions of　15:11:38 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 204 of 280 1 dollars? 15:11:42 2 A. Yes. 15:11:43 3 Q. Okay. Can you describe occasion on which 15:11:47 4 your opinion prevailed? 15:11:51 5 A. For example, I make all the decision on the 15:11:56 6 daily operation, including outfit -- 15:12:00 7 Q. I'm not asking about -- I'm not asking about 15:12:04 8 daily operations. I'm asking about a decision 15:12:07 9 involving more than a million dollars. 15:12:11 10 Has there ever been -- 15:12:15 11 A. I don't understand what you are asking 15:12:17 12 about. More than a million dollars is very general. 15:12:20 13 I mean, I don't understand what you are asking, sir. 15:12:23 14 Q. Okay. You just told me a moment ago that 15:12:25 15 there have been occasions when you have disagreed 15:12:28 16 with Mr. Qiang Guo; right? 15:12:31 17 A. That's right. 15:12:33 18 Q. Okay. My question to you is has there ever 15:12:34 19 been a disagreement between you and him about 15:12:38 20 a decision that involved more than a million dollars? 15:12:43 21 A. More than a million dollars? 15:12:48 22 Q. Yes. 15:12:52 23 A. I mean, we did have some disagreements in 15:12:53 24 the very beginning about some potential investment 15:12:58 25 project; so we didn't get agreement, and he was 15:13:01 Page 179 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 205 of 280 1　convinced, if that is what you were talking about.　15:13:05 2　Q. Well, I'm not talking about anything in　15:13:11 3　particular. I'm just asking. And I'm trying to get　15:13:15 4　an understanding of what real authority you have as　15:13:18 5　president and treasurer of Golden Spring (New York)　15:13:21 6　Limited. Because what you have told me thus far is　15:13:24 7　that the DIP loan was approved by Mr. Qiang Guo　15:13:28 8　without your input and that it was enough for you　15:13:33 9　that he told you that he would take care of it. And　15:13:38 10　when it comes to the litigation funding, you have　15:13:42 11　told me that father asked son and that you have never　15:13:45 12　spoken to father about it, not even to ask him what　15:13:49 13　the money was for.　15:13:51 14　So what I'm trying to understand is what　15:13:53 15　exactly your role is. I mean, I know what your　15:13:56 16　titles are, but I'm trying to understand what your　15:14:00 17　role is; so that is why I'm asking these questions.　15:14:03 18　And so my question is is there an occasion　15:14:08 19　you can point to where you disagreed with　15:14:13 20　Mr. Qiang Guo over a decision that involved more than　15:14:18 21　a million dollars?　15:14:23 22　A. Yes.　15:14:26 23　Q. Okay. How recently?　15:14:27 24　A. What do you mean, how recently? I already　15:14:30 25　explained, like, regarding when I was appointed　15:14:35 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 206 of 280 1　and --　15:14:38 2　Q. Okay.　15:14:39 3　A. -- disagreements about investment projects.　15:14:39 4　I am talking about real estate or investment project　15:14:43 5　in New York.　15:14:47 6　Q. Okay. And that was --　15:14:47 7　A. I didn't convince him. I didn't convince　15:14:49 8　him. They are all more than a million projects;　15:14:51 9　right?　15:14:54 10　And I -- and I just testified this　15:14:54 11　afternoon -- this morning, and he made decision about　15:14:56 12　the vehicles, which I don't align with that. But, of　15:15:00 13　course, we didn't get agreement, and he purchased the　15:15:06 14　cars. Because I don't agree with that; so that is　15:15:09 15　the reason why I don't want to get too much of　15:15:12 16　details, even as the president. We are a family　15:15:14 17　office; right?　15:15:18 18　If we don't get aligned and -- that he is　15:15:19 19　the owner of the company about the director; right?　15:15:21 20　So he made the decision about the vehicles,　15:15:25 21　and then I made the decision about the investment　15:15:30 22　opportunity. And then we did have disagreement. We　15:15:33 23　take care of -- we take care of the result by the　15:15:35 24　end.　15:15:37 25　Q. Okay. All right. And so there -- I think　15:15:37 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 207 of 280 1　I understand your answer, but there are two things　15:15:39 2　that I just want to clarify and make sure of.　15:15:43 3　Number one, examples of disagreement.　15:15:45 4　I asked you about timing. You just explained that　15:15:48 5　one of those examples was when you were appointed in　15:15:52 6　2018 the -- you mentioned a real estate project.　15:15:55 7　Understood.　15:15:59 8　You also mentioned the vehicles just now　15:16:00 9　that we were talking about earlier today.　15:16:03 10　Any other examples that you can think of?　15:16:07 11　A. You are asking me about more than a million,　15:16:12 12　which -- I mean, the advisement project, they are　15:16:19 13　more than a million.　15:16:23 14　Q. I understand. And I got that.　15:16:24 15　I'm asking whether there are any other　15:16:26 16　examples, besides those two.　15:16:29 17　A. We are a family office in here. If you are　15:16:32 18　asking about his father's legal thing, I mean that　15:16:39 19　his father -- as per Mr. Qiang Guo advise me, his　15:16:44 20　father might want to bring some litigation, which he　15:16:47 21　was asking my advice, which I give him my advice and　15:16:51 22　then he took it to support his father or not. That　15:16:56 23　happened also.　15:16:59 24　Q. With respect -- with respect to the -- the　15:17:00 25　vehicles, I believe you said that even though you　15:17:05 Veritext Legal Solutions 866 299-5127 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 208 of 280 1　disagreed, Mr. Qiang Guo decided to buy the vehicles　15:17:09 2　anyway; right?　15:17:14 3　A. That's right.　15:17:16 4　Q. Okay. And isn't that true that, in general,　15:17:19 5　if you disagree, as you said, Mr. Qiang Guo is going　15:17:29 6　to be the one who decides, according to you?　15:17:34 7　A. No.　15:17:38 8　It is -- it happened on his side also. If　15:17:41 9　I don't disagree, he will go with me.　15:17:46 10　Q. Okay. Can you think of an example where you　15:17:49 11　have disagreed and your point of view prevailed and　15:17:57 12　the decision at issue involved more than a million　15:18:10 13　dollars?　15:18:14 14　A. Sir, I just replied to your question. Like,　15:18:17 15　the real estate property investment project.　15:18:21 16　Q. Besides -- besides that one.　15:18:25 17　A. I mean, as I explained, that is our business　15:18:29 18　plan; right?　15:18:32 19　We do real estate investment.　15:18:33 20　I already testified that as a family office;　15:18:35 21　right?　15:18:38 22　Q. I'm -- I'm going to interpret your answer as　15:18:39 23　that is the only example you can think of.　15:18:42 24　A. I don't agree. I don't agree. This is not　15:18:44 25　my answer. I give you my answer very clear.　15:18:47 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 209 of 280 1　Q. Well, then tell me -- tell me another　15:18:50 2　example then. Tell me another example of a decision　15:18:54 3　involving more than a million dollars with which you　15:18:57 4　disagree and your opinion prevailed, besides the real　15:19:00 5　estate project that you have already mentioned three　15:19:05 6　times.　15:19:08 7　Any other example?　15:19:09 8　A. I answered already.　15:19:12 9　Q. Are any of the \$21 million in litigation　15:19:14 10　loans to Golden Spring (New York) expected to be　15:19:29 11　repaid?　15:19:32 12　A. Yes.　15:19:34 13　Q. Are any of the loans in writing?　15:19:34 14　A. Yes.　15:19:41 15　Q. Have you seen the -- the documents for any　15:19:41 16　of the loans?　15:19:49 17　A. Yes.　15:19:53 18　Q. Where are they?　15:19:53 19　A. They are in my office.　15:19:55 20　Q. On East 64th Street or wherever?　15:20:02 21　A. What do you mean, wherever?　15:20:09 22　Q. I'm sorry. I'm trying to avoid using the　15:20:11 23　exact address.　15:20:15 24　Are they at the family office in　15:20:15 25　New York City?　15:20:18 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 210 of 280 1　A. I believe in the morning of -- this morning　15:20:18 2　I already testified my address, which you have it,　15:20:21 3　sir. It is on the 64th Street office, Golden Spring　15:20:25 4　(New York)'s office.　15:20:29 5　Q. Okay.　15:20:29 6　A. You don't need to avoid mentioning the　15:20:30 7　address, sir. You have it.　15:20:34 8　Q. Well, forgive me for being extra careful in　15:20:36 9　light of your security concerns.　15:20:40 10　A. Thank you.　15:20:43 11　Q. Is that -- is that the address where the　15:20:44 12　loan documents are located?　15:20:45 13　A. Correct.　15:20:47 14　Q. How many such loan documents are there?　15:20:47 15　A. Several of them.　15:20:51 16　Q. More than ten?　15:20:52 17　A. Several of them.　15:20:58 18　Q. Do you know whether it is more than ten or　15:21:00 19　not?　15:21:02 20　A. I replied, several of them.　15:21:04 21　Q. Did you sign them?　15:21:07 22　A. Yes.　15:21:11 23　Q. Who signed them for the borrower?　15:21:12 24　A. The borrower signed it.　15:21:19 25　Q. Who is the borrower?　15:21:23 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 211 1　A. Mr. Ho Wan Kwok.　15:21:25 2　Q. Okay. Were you present when he signed them?　15:21:27 3　A. I don't recall.　15:21:30 4　Q. Okay. How many of the \$21 million in loan　15:21:33 5　are undocumented?　15:21:42 6　A. I don't recall. I couldn't give you the　15:21:44 7　precise number.　15:21:50 8　MR. HARBACH: Okay. Well, we'll -- we'll　15:21:51 9　request -- Scott, we'll request that Golden Spring　15:21:54 10　(New York) Limited immediately produce to us all of　15:21:59 11　the documents that the witness has just described,　15:22:02 12　namely, the loan agreements substantiating any　15:22:09 13　portion of the \$21 million in litigation loans that　15:22:13 14　the debtor has taken out from Golden Spring　15:22:16 15　(New York).　15:22:20 16　MR. ROSEN: I understand the request, and we　15:22:21 17　will take it under advisement.　15:22:23 18　MR. HARBACH: Okay.　15:22:25 19　BY MR. HARBACH:　15:22:29 20　Q. Ms. Wang, are you familiar with the terms of　15:22:29 21　any of those loans, meaning the litigation loans?　15:22:32 22　A. They are loans. They have interest. They　15:22:36 23　should be paid back.　15:22:43 24　Q. What interest rate?　15:22:44 25　A. I couldn't remember clearly. I couldn't　15:22:46 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 212 of 280 1 remember clearly. Like, 2, 3 percent. I couldn't 15:22:53 2 remember. 15:22:56 3 Q. Who negotiated the interest rate on those 15:22:56 4 loans for Golden Spring (New York)? 15:22:59 5 A. Me and Mr. Qiang Guo, we designed it. 15:23:01 6 Q. Who negotiated with the -- the borrower, 15:23:06 7 Mr. Ho Wan Kwok, for the interest rate on these 15:23:13 8 loans? 15:23:16 9 A. I don't recall. 15:23:18 10 Q. Did you communicate with Mr. Ho Wan Kwok 15:23:21 11 about the interest rate on these loans? 15:23:26 12 A. I don't recall. 15:23:29 13 Q. Is the interest rate the same on all of the 15:23:32 14 loans? 15:23:38 15 A. As far as I know, I remember, yes. 15:23:39 16 Q. Is the total figure of approximately 15:23:45 17 \$21 million in litigation loans about correct, to 15:23:50 18 your recollection? 15:23:56 19 A. Approximately number -- yes. Correct. 15:23:57 20 Q. Okay. And approximately how much of that 15:24:02 21 21 million is in documented loans? 15:24:05 22 A. I don't have it on the top of my head. 15:24:08 23 MR. ROSEN: Can I ask, David, can you please 15:24:18 24 clarify. 15:24:21 25 When you say documented loans, what 15:24:22 Page 187 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 213 of 280 1　specifically do you mean by documented?　15:24:25 2　MR. HARBACH: Sure.　15:24:28 3　What I mean is that the witness has　15:24:30 4　indicated earlier in her testimony that some of the　15:24:34 5　loans were in writing and that there were loan　15:24:38 6　agreements; so that is how I interpreted her answer.　15:24:44 7　And I -- and I gather that some of them were and some　15:24:47 8　of them weren't. And so when I say documented loans,　15:24:50 9　I mean the loans for which there is a written loan　15:24:54 10　agreement that she signed and that the borrower　15:24:58 11　signed.　15:25:03 12　Does that help?　15:25:05 13　MR. ROSEN: Yes.　15:25:06 14　Thank you.　15:25:08 15　MR. HARBACH: Okay.　15:25:09 16　BY MR. HARBACH:　15:25:10 17　Q. So Ms. Wang, does that change -- that　15:25:10 18　doesn't change any of your answers, I assume.　15:25:13 19　Did you understand what I meant?　15:25:15 20　A. I replied my question. That is the best of　15:25:17 21　my knowledge for this second.　15:25:22 22　Q. Okay. So just to make -- just to -- to　15:25:24 23　recap and make sure I understand.　15:25:27 24　There is approximately \$21 million in　15:25:31 25　litigation loans that have been made by Golden Spring　15:25:35 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 214 of 280 1　(New York) to Mr. Ho Wan Kwok; correct?　15:25:39 2　A. Correct.　15:25:41 3　Q. And some of those loans are -- are　15:25:47 4　documented, by which I mean there is a written loan　15:25:50 5　agreement; correct?　15:25:55 6　A. Correct.　15:25:57 7　Besides that, we do have notes, like, on our　15:25:59 8　financial book that recorded as a loan also.　15:26:06 9　Q. Okay. And then some of those loans do not　15:26:08 10　have a -- a loan agreement in writing; correct?　15:26:11 11　A. But in our financial records it is　15:26:16 12　documented as a loan; correct.　15:26:20 13　Q. I understand. I understand.　15:26:22 14　But my point is for those, there is not　15:26:24 15　a loan agreement that you signed and that　15:26:28 16　Mr. Ho Wan Kwok signed that contains an interest rate　15:26:31 17　and formal terms; right?　15:26:36 18　A. Correct.　15:26:40 19　There were some other loans between　15:26:41 20　Mr. Qiang Guo and Mr. Ho Wan Kwok also.　15:26:45 21　Q. Okay.　15:26:47 22　A. So financial notes was the loan agreement　15:26:48 23　and then with our loan --　15:26:52 24　Q. Okay.　15:26:55 25　A. -- agreement.　15:26:56 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 215 of 280 1　Q. And so for the ones -- not the ones that　15:26:57 2　were oral, but the ones that are in writing, you said　15:26:59 3　those documents are currently at the East 64th Street　15:27:04 4　office; correct?　15:27:12 5　A. Correct.　15:27:13 6　MR. HARBACH: Okay. So Scott, it is those　15:27:15 7　documents that we are requesting.　15:27:19 8　MR. ROSEN: I understand.　15:27:20 9　Thank you.　15:27:22 10　BY MR. HARBACH:　15:27:22 11　Q. Okay. Now, Ms. Wang, with respect to the　15:27:23 12　oral loans, who recorded them?　15:27:26 13　A. What do you mean, who recorded them? For　15:27:31 14　Golden Spring?　15:27:34 15　Q. Yes, ma'am.　15:27:34 16　I think you just mentioned a moment ago that　15:27:35 17　even the loans that were not documented with a loan　15:27:39 18　agreement were recorded on the books of Golden Spring　15:27:41 19　(New York); right?　15:27:46 20　A. Correct.　15:27:47 21　Q. So I'm asking who recorded them on the　15:27:47 22　books?　15:27:50 23　A. Golden Spring's finance.　15:27:51 24　Q. Okay. Was that at your direction?　15:27:55 25　A. Correct.　15:27:59 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 216 of 280 1　Q. How did you learn about the terms of those　15:28:00 2　oral loans?　15:28:04 3　A. I got to know from Mr. Qiang Guo also.　15:28:07 4　Q. Were you personally involved in negotiating　15:28:10 5　any or -- or tendering any oral loans to　15:28:16 6　Mr. Ho Wan Kwok?　15:28:22 7　A. I didn't attend the -- the conversation　15:28:23 8　between Mr. Qiang Guo and his father, no. I didn't.　15:28:30 9　Q. Has Mr. Ho Wan Kwok ever asked you for　15:28:33 10　a loan from Golden Spring?　15:28:36 11　A. I don't recall.　15:28:38 12　Q. Does that mean it is possible that he has?　15:28:40 13　A. I don't recall.　15:28:49 14　Q. With apologies if I asked you this question　15:28:57 15　before. I honestly don't remember.　15:29:00 16　Have you ever spoken to Mr. Ho Wan Kwok　15:29:02 17　about any of the litigation loans, whether oral or　15:29:06 18　written?　15:29:11 19　A. I don't recall.　15:29:12 20　Q. Were you personally involved in helping　15:29:13 21　Mr. Kwok fill out his bankruptcy schedules and his　15:29:33 22　statement of financial affairs?　15:29:38 23　MR. ROSEN: Objection. The witness is not　15:29:41 24　here to testify in her personal capacity. I would　15:29:44 25　ask you to rephrase the question.　15:29:48 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 217 of 280 1　MR. HARBACH: Sure.　15:29:50 2　BY MR. HARBACH:　15:29:51 3　Q. Was Golden Spring (New York) Limited　15:29:52 4　involved in assisting Mr. Kwok in filling out his　15:29:54 5　bankruptcy schedules or his statement of financial　15:29:58 6　affairs?　15:30:01 7　A. No.　15:30:03 8　Q. What about Mr. Kwok's monthly operating　15:30:04 9　reports? Do you know what those are?　15:30:14 10　A. Yes.　15:30:17 11　Q. Okay. Was anyone at Golden Spring　15:30:20 12　(New York) involved in helping prepare　15:30:24 13　Mr. Ho Wan Kwok's monthly operating reports?　15:30:28 14　A. We were requested to pull out his lifestyle　15:30:31 15　expenses. That is, I directed Golden Spring to help.　15:30:40 16　Q. Okay. Who made the request to you?　15:30:47 17　A. I couldn't remember. Probably his attorney.　15:30:49 18　I couldn't remember.　15:30:57 19　Q. Okay. And if I understand you correctly,　15:30:58 20　you directed one of your employees to assist?　15:31:00 21　A. Correct.　15:31:06 22　MR. HARBACH: Okay. And I'll just note for　15:31:07 23　the record, Scott, that I won't ask who that person　15:31:09 24　is because I understand that you will object on the　15:31:17 25　same basis as before. And I'll just note that we　15:31:20 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 218 of 280 1　continue to disagree with that objection.　15:31:24 2　Is that okay?　15:31:26 3　MR. ROSEN: Yes.　15:31:27 4　BY MR. HARBACH:　15:31:35 5　Q. Do you know what the firm Verdolino & Lowey　15:31:35 6　is?　15:31:42 7　A. Verdolino Lowey.　15:31:43 8　Q. Have you ever heard of them?　15:31:45 9　A. No.　15:31:48 10　I don't recall.　15:31:53 11　Q. Okay. Do you know who Craig Jalbert is?　15:31:53 12　A. I don't know this name.　15:31:59 13　Q. Okay.　15:31:59 14　A. Craig Jalbert.　15:32:02 15　Q. This may seem obvious from your earlier　15:32:03 16　answer, but please bear with me.　15:32:15 17　Leaving aside the person's name, is it true　15:32:18 18　that there are personnel at Golden Spring (New York)　15:32:26 19　Limited who could assist in compiling and calculating　15:32:31 20　the lifestyle expenses of Mr. Ho Wan Kwok?　15:32:40 21　A. Yes.　15:32:48 22　Q. Focusing now just for a moment on those　15:32:49 23　lifestyle expenses.　15:33:07 24　Okay?　15:33:10 25　A. Yes.　15:33:12 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 219 of 280 1　Q. Has -- has Mr. Kwok ever made any requests　15:33:12 2　to you to have Golden Spring (New York) pay for　15:33:21 3　expenses related to his lifestyle?　15:33:28 4　Excuse me.　15:33:31 5　A. I don't recall, but it is possible.　15:33:33 6　Q. Okay. What I'm asking about is, you know,　15:33:39 7　hey, Yvette, I need Golden Spring to pay for me to　15:33:46 8　drive to Manhattan or I need Golden Spring to pay for　15:33:52 9　this suit that I need for my trip to court -- things　15:33:57 10　like that.　15:34:02 11　Does he make requests to you like that?　15:34:03 12　A. I don't recall. But there was some requests　15:34:06 13　that he made -- he made to me, like, as before, like,　15:34:15 14　buy some very expensive, like, furniture, I believe.　15:34:19 15　And I -- obviously, it is more than his lifestyle.　15:34:22 16　I report it to Mr. Qiang Guo, and Mr. Qiang Guo　15:34:26 17　reject it --　15:34:29 18　Q. Okay.　15:34:29 19　A. -- so I reject it to him also.　15:34:30 20　Q. Right.　15:34:32 21　A. Yeah.　15:34:34 22　Q. I'm asking about, you know, day-to-day　15:34:34 23　stuff, like the -- however -- you know, I don't mind　15:34:37 24　telling you it has been a real mystery to all of us　15:34:43 25　creditors and, I think, to the U.S. Trustee how　15:34:48 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 220 Mr. Kwok pays for things. We really have had 15:34:52 a difficult time figuring out how that happens. And 15:34:55 3　so I am hoping that you can help me understand　15:34:58 4　a little bit because, according to him, Golden Spring　15:35:01 5　(New York) Limited pays for all this stuff. And　15:35:04 6　since you are the president and treasurer of　15:35:07 7　Golden Spring (New York) Limited, I'm hoping you can　15:35:09 8　help us understand.　15:35:14 9　So I know we talked earlier about your　15:35:15 10　review of credit card bills and -- and so forth, but　15:35:17 review of credit card bills and -- and so forth, but 15:35:17 for something like that, say Mr. -- Mr. Ho Wan Kwok 15:35:21 needs to take a trip into Manhattan for some reason 15:35:26 and he needs a car. 15:35:30 14 Does he come to you? I mean, you say you 15:35:33 run the day-to-day operations of Golden Spring. 15:35:36 16 Does he come to you or -- or send you 15:35:40 a message and say, hey, I need a car set up? I mean, 15:35:42 how does that work? 15:35:46 19 A. Okay. So to reply to this specific 15:35:48 question, as the president of a company, I mean, 15:35:50 I already don't deal with this kind of very small 15:35:53 request from him; so Golden Spring does have 15:35:57 a security which, as you understood probably, sir, 15:36:01 like as per Mr. Qiang, was a regiment because 15:36:06 Mr. Qiang would -- does care the most is the life 15:36:13 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 221 of 280 1　safety of his father; so the communication that　15:36:17 2　happens between Ho Wan Kwok and the security to　15:36:21 3　arrange the trip to Manhattan; so that one I don't　15:36:22 4　need to get involved because it is too small for me.　15:36:26 5　Q. Okay. And then what about other day-to-day　15:36:30 6　lifestyle needs, like in a recent proceeding the --　15:36:34 7　the U.S. Trustee asked about what if he needed to buy　15:36:42 8　a pair of shoes?　15:36:47 9　Just walk us through how that happens.　15:36:49 10　A. I don't even -- I mean, yes. I review some　15:36:52 11　of the credit card bill or the bills, but I do have　15:36:56 12　my finance. I mean, I don't need to do finance job.　15:37:00 13　I don't even remember to see very often he buys　15:37:04 14　shoes. I mean --　15:37:09 15　Q. Does he buy anything?　15:37:12 16　A. Yes.　15:37:14 17　He buy -- he buy clothes, yes.　15:37:16 18　Q. Okay. So how does he buy clothes?　15:37:20 19　A. He buy clothes from the shops, I believe.　15:37:23 20　Q. Okay. Does he physically go to the shops or　15:37:28 21　does he shop online?　15:37:32 22　MR. HARBACH: Scott, I promise I am just　15:37:34 23　trying to understand. I don't -- I won't dwell here　15:37:37 24　unnecessarily.　15:37:39 25　/// Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 222 of 280 1 BY MR. HARBACH: 15:37:40 2 Q. Go ahead, Ms. Wang. 15:37:41 3 A. I don't get involves in his personal life; 15:37:43 4 so I cannot say. 15:37:47 5 Q. So you don't -- you don't know whether he 15:37:48 6 likes to go in the stores to shop or he shops online? 15:37:51 7 A. I do see bills from the shops, which 15:37:57 8 I verify. I have the finance verify that it was his 15:38:03 9 purchase. 15:38:08 10 Q. Okay. 15:38:08 11 A. We take care of that; so I don't need to 15:38:09 12 follow him -- 15:38:13 13 Q. All right. 15:38:13 14 A. -- where he goes; right? 15:38:14 15 So I don't know -- 15:38:14 16 Q. No. 15:38:17 17 I -- I know that. I'm not suggesting you 15:38:17 18 follow him. 15:38:19 19 What I'm really just trying to understand is 15:38:20 20 how does the transaction happen? Mr. Kwok walks into 15:38:23 21 Saks Fifth Avenue and sees a suit he wants to buy. 15:38:29 22 Let's just pretend that's what happens. 15:38:35 23 Okay? 15:38:37 24 And he is in there, and he says, I like that 15:38:38 25 suit. And he tries it on, and it looks good, and so 15:38:41 Page 197 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 223 of 280 1　he wants to buy it.　15:38:45 2　What happens next? How does it get from　15:38:47 3　there to being on a bill that you see?　15:38:49 4　A. Oh, that doesn't happen often at all. That　15:38:54 5　is number one. And that did happen before. Like,　15:38:58 6　sometimes I can see from the securities credit　15:39:03 7　card -- debit card -- let me correct -- to see that　15:39:07 8　purchase. And then, obviously, my finance will dive　15:39:10 9　in and verify and confirm that he has purchased. But　15:39:14 10　that does not happen often at all.　15:39:17 11　Q. Okay. Well, you did mention that he buys　15:39:21 12　clothes; right?　15:39:24 13　A. Yes.　15:39:27 14　Q. Okay. So you give me an example of how he　15:39:28 15　will buy some clothes.　15:39:34 16　If the Saks Fifth Avenue example doesn't　15:39:36 17　happen very often, tell me what does happen.　15:39:40 18　A. He just doesn't buy clothes very often, not　15:39:43 19　only the shoes at Saks Fifth Avenue.　15:39:49 20　Q. Does Mr. Kwok have a credit card?　15:39:54 21　A. As far as I know, he doesn't have. At least　15:40:07 22　Golden Spring never give him.　15:40:12 23　Q. Does he have a debit card?　15:40:14 24　A. Golden Spring didn't give him.　15:40:17 25　Q. How do the things that he does purchase end　15:40:20 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 224 of 280 1　up on a bill that you review? Tell me how that　15:40:25 2　happens.　15:40:30 3　A. For his clothes, I mean, I know, like,　15:40:31 4　Mr. Qiang Guo, he has some shops in Manhattan. When　15:40:36 5　he is in Manhattan he -- he -- I mean, quite often　15:40:43 6　shopping there, and sometimes I saw the bill from the　15:40:49 7　shop, which I -- obviously finance will need to　15:40:52 8　verify. If not, Mr. Qiang Guo purchase. But, like,　15:40:55 9　his father has purchased. That happened before; so　15:40:59 10　like -- that is, like, in my understanding　15:41:03 11　Mr. Qiang Guo took care of his father.　15:41:06 12　Q. So Mr. Qiang Guo will buy something for his　15:41:08 13　dad, finance it.　15:41:12 14　Golden Spring will verify that how? By　15:41:14 15　calling Mr. Qiang Guo and asking him?　15:41:16 16　A. Sometimes we do that, yes.　15:41:19 17　Q. Okay. And when Mr. Qiang Guo is in the UK,　15:41:21 18　as you have told me is where he lives, how does that　15:41:27 19　change things? How does Mr. -- Mr. Ho Wan Kwok buy　15:41:31 20　something while his son is in the UK?　15:41:36 21　A. What do you mean, change things? I mean,　15:41:39 22　the shops obviously know Mr. Qiang Guo, whether he is　15:41:43 23　in New York or not; so the father came and then　15:41:47 24　shopping there. I mean, I don't know what is your　15:41:52 25　question, sir.　15:41:54 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 225 of 280 1　Q. Okay. So I think you do know my question,　15:41:55 2　and it is really not hard. But it seems to be really　15:42:02 3　hard to get an answer to it.　15:42:06 4　How does Mr. Ho Wan Kwok purchase things,　15:42:10 5　and how does what -- something that he wants to buy　15:42:20 6　and buys end up on a bill for you to review? And you　15:42:23 7　have given me one example.　15:42:27 8　You said there are times when Mr. Qiang Guo　15:42:29 9　will purchase something, and it will then end up on　15:42:31 10　a bill for you to review and verify; right?　15:42:35 11　A. No.　15:42:42 12　That is not my answer. You misunderstood　15:42:42 13　me, sir.　15:42:45 14　Q. Okay. Please explain.　15:42:46 15　A. I will use my translator since you have been　15:42:49 16　misunderstanding me along the way, which I don't feel　15:42:53 17　you get this. Sorry.　15:42:57 18　Like, can I have my interpreter --　15:43:01 19　Q. Absolutely.　15:43:04 20　A. -- I mean, to help me.　15:43:05 21　Q. Absolutely.　15:43:06 22　MR. HARBACH: So for clarity of the record,　15:43:07 23　Ms. Johnston, the question is I'm trying to　15:43:09 24　understand how -- when Mr. Ho Wan Kwok wants to　15:43:13 25　purchase something, how does it get -- from the　15:43:16 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 226 of 280 1　decision by Mr. Ho Wan Kwok to purchase something,　15:43:20 2　how does that end up on a bill that Ms. Wang sees?　15:43:25 3　THE INTERPRETER: (Question interpreted.)　15:43:29 4　THE WITNESS: (Through the Interpreter)　15:43:29 5　Okay. First of all, when I say when I review bills,　15:44:38 6　those were only in respect to Mr. Ho Wan Kwok's　15:44:44 7　purchase for clothing and shoes. And Mr. Qiang Guo　15:44:47 8　has certain shops he goes to on a regular basis; so　15:44:51 9　if his father were to shop there, then the shop would　15:44:57 10　know to send the bill to New York Golden Spring; so　15:45:02 11　in other words his father's purchase was under　15:45:10 12　Mr. Qiang Guo's profile.　15:45:14 13　I don't think maybe you understood what　15:45:16 14　I meant. That is why I wanted the interpreter to　15:45:18 15　interpret for me.　15:45:21 16　BY MR. HARBACH:　15:45:23 17　Q. Thank you very much.　15:45:23 18　And I do understand that example.　15:45:26 19　What about for groceries?　15:45:28 20　A. (In English) Groceries, I mean, he lives in　15:45:33 21　his wife's house; so if there is any grocery needed　15:45:41 22　to be purchased, it is for both of them; so what　15:45:45 23　Golden Spring was requested to pull out, like,　15:45:51 24　Mr. Ho Wan Kwok, his grocery purchase from his wife,　15:45:58 25　like a general purchase; so I mean, the husband, the　15:46:03 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 227 of 280 1　wife live together. He is living in his wife's　15:46:08 2　house. It doesn't make sense, like, he buy his own　15:46:11 3　stuff, separate account.　15:46:14 4　Q. I understand that.　15:46:15 5　I'm just asking how the groceries are paid　15:46:16 6　for.　15:46:19 7　A. It paid by Golden Spring also.　15:46:21 8　Q. Same question as before.　15:46:26 9　Do they just go to a grocery store and the　15:46:29 10　grocery store sends the bill to Golden Spring? Or do　15:46:34 11　they buy their groceries online? How does that work?　15:46:38 12　A. Grocery, most of them go with the debit　15:46:42 13　card.　15:46:46 14　Q. Okay.　15:46:46 15　A. And buy --　15:46:47 16　Q. So　15:46:50 17　A. And buy online also, yes.　15:46:52 18　Q. Okay. And so even if the purchase is　15:46:53 19　online, some sort of card, like if it is a debit card　15:46:56 20　or a credit card, needs to be used; right?　15:47:03 21　A. Correct.　15:47:07 22　Q. Okay. Who uses that card?　15:47:08 23　A. Who use that card?　15:47:10 24　They -- people. I mean, his wife use it　15:47:16 25　also.　15:47:20 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 228 of 280 1　Q. Does he ever use the --　15:47:20 2　A. I mean --　15:47:23 3　Q. Does he ever use the card?　15:47:24 4　A. I don't think so. He doesn't read English　15:47:26 5　at all, so　15:47:30 6　Q. I mean, well, I don't know that you need to　15:47:31 7　read English to use a credit card or a debit card.　15:47:33 8　Does he ever use the card to make purchases　15:47:37 9　himself?　15:47:42 10　A. Which time period you are asking about and　15:47:42 11　by what kind of purchase methods?　15:47:44 12　Q. You --　15:47:44 13　A. If you are asking about online, he doesn't　15:47:47 14　read English.　15:47:50 15　I mean, you have to be able to read English　15:47:51 16　to shopping online; right?　15:47:53 17　Q. Does that --　15:47:53 18　A. So with that, I can confirm he doesn't.　15:47:54 19　Q. Were -- well, number one, I'm pretty sure　15:47:55 20　there are Websites in Chinese.　15:48:00 21　And, number two, let's just stick with the　15:48:03 22　grocery example.　15:48:06 23　Does he ever use the credit card or the　15:48:11 24　debit card to buy groceries?　15:48:15 25　MR. ROSEN: Objection.　15:48:19 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 229 1 THE WITNESS: I don't know. 15:48:20 2 MR. ROSEN: She testified numerous times 15:48:25 3 that he is not authorized as a user of the card, and 15:48:27 4 she has answered this question numerous times. 15:48:30 5 MR. HARBACH: I don't believe she said -- it 15:48:32 of 280 6　wasn't a question of whether he was an authorized　15:48:32 7　user. I believe she said that he never used it.　15:48:35 8　BY MR. HARBACH:　15:48:38 9　Q. Does his wife use it?　15:48:38 10　A. Use what?　15:48:40 11 Q. The debit card or the credit card to buy 15:48:42 12 groceries? 15:48:47 13 A. It is possible. 15:48:48 14 Q. Do you know one way or the other? 15:48:51 15 A. I mean, I don't live in their home; right? 15:48:59 Who is buying groceries? From my end, I can't see, 15:49:03 like, an Amazon purchase or, like, a Whole Foods 15:49:09 purchase. Who uses those cards? I need to find out. 15:49:11 19 Q. Okay. So it sounds like, from what you just 15:49:14 said, it could have been Mr. Ho Wan Kwok's wife or it 15:49:19 could have been Mr. Ho Wan Kwok, couldn't it? 15:49:23 22 A. I'm not giving you an answer in here because 15:49:26 I don't know. 15:49:32 24 Q. That is what I'm getting at. You don't 15:49:32 know. 15:49:35 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 230 of 280 1　From what you are looking at on the bill,　15:49:36 2　you don't know who used the card, do you? Do you?　15:49:38 3　A. You are talking about grocery?　15:49:47 4　Q. I'm talking about the examples you just　15:49:49 5　gave, Whole Foods or whatever else.　15:49:51 6　When you see that on the bill, you just said　15:49:53 7　you don't know who uses the card; correct?　15:49:56 8　A. The family uses the card. I do know. The　15:50:00 9　family uses the card.　15:50:04 10　Q. Sure. Sure.　15:50:06 11　And Mr. Ho Wan Kwok is a member of the　15:50:07 12　family, isn't he?　15:50:10 13　A. Correct.　15:50:12 14　But he does not read English at all.　15:50:13 15　Q. Okay. Does his wife?　15:50:16 16　A. His wife what?　15:50:18 17　Q. Does his wife read English?　15:50:21 18　A. I don't believe so.　15:50:24 19　MR. HARBACH: Okay. Give me just thirty　15:50:29 20　seconds, please.　15:50:32 21　BY MR. HARBACH:　15:53:11 22　Q. Thank you for your patience. Hopefully　15:53:12 23　I saved us a little time by taking that break. A few　15:53:14 24　cleanup questions, and I think we are finished.　15:53:19 25　What is your understanding of how　15:53:22 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 231 of 280 1　Mr. Ho Wan Kwok is going to repay the \$21 million in　15:53:24 2　litigation loans?　15:53:28 3　A. I don't have understanding. I mean, he need　15:53:30 4　to pay back those loans if he win the case and then,　15:53:38 5　I mean, I assume there will be some success, and then　15:53:42 6　he should pay back the loan. That is all my　15:53:46 7　understanding.　15:53:49 8　Q. Is there a Golden Spring (New York) owned　15:53:50 9　car that stays at Mr. and Ms. Kwok's residence?　15:53:54 10　A. I don't recall. As I said, I am not a car　15:54:06 11　person. I mean, Mr. Qiang Guo will deal with the car　15:54:09 12　at that part.　15:54:13 13　Q. Well, doesn't Golden Spring (New York)　15:54:14 14　Limited pay for a chauffeur for Mr. Ho Wan Kwok?　15:54:17 15　A. We pay the employees, yes.　15:54:23 16　Q. Okay. And my question to you isn't about　15:54:26 17　what kind of car it is.　15:54:30 18　I'm just asking whether there is a car and　15:54:32 19　a chauffeur that is available to Mr. Kwok whenever he　15:54:35 20　needs it.　15:54:39 21　A. I mean, Mr. Qiang Guo would -- does rent　15:54:44 22　a car for his father, and then Golden Spring pay the　15:54:50 23　chauffeur. That is what I can confirm.　15:54:53 24　Q. Okay. Do you have personal knowledge of who　15:54:58 25　owns the residence where they live?　15:55:04 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 232 of 280 1　MR. HARBACH: Don't worry, Scott.　15:55:09 2　I won't stay here long.　15:55:11 3　THE WITNESS: You are asking personal　15:55:15 4　knowledge?　15:55:18 5　BY MR. HARBACH:　15:55:19 6　Q. I'm asking if you know.　15:55:19 7　MR. ROSEN: If you know. It calls for　15:55:21 8　yes-or-no answer.　15:55:26 9　THE WITNESS: I don't have personal　15:55:26 10　knowledge.　15:55:28 11　MR. HARBACH: Okay. I'm going to make　15:55:29 12　a request, Scott, to supplement our earlier request　15:55:30 13　for the loan documents.　15:55:39 14　I'm also going to request that Golden Spring　15:55:40 15　(New York) please promptly produce to us the　15:55:43 16　notations in the books and records that the witness　15:55:50 17　referred to as evidencing the oral loans for　15:55:55 18　litigation.　15:56:02 19　Do you understand what I'm talking about?　15:56:04 20　MR. ROSEN: I'm just taking notes right now.　15:56:07 21　MR. HARBACH: Okay.　15:56:10 22　MR. ROSEN: I believe I understand your　15:56:13 23　question, and we will take that under advisement.　15:56:15 24　MR. HARBACH: Okay. Those are -- just --　15:56:18 25　just one second, please.　15:56:27 Veritext Legal Solutions 866 299-5127 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 233 of 280 1　One -- one -- the famous one more question　15:57:11 2　that we lawyers like to ask.　15:57:14 3　BY MR. HARBACH:　15:57:16 4　Q. You have mentioned a couple of times that　15:57:17 5　Golden Spring has enough money to carry on its daily　15:57:19 6　operations.　15:57:23 7　What is the operating budget for　15:57:25 8　Golden Spring (New York) for those daily operations?　15:57:29 9　The annual budget, say, approximately.　15:57:34 10　A. The annual is going to be anything　15:57:42 11　between -- I mean, operating mean paying the lease,　15:57:47 12　paying the employees and office supplies, furniture,　15:57:54 13　everything.　15:57:59 14　Q. I'm asking, yeah, everything that you would　15:57:59 15　lump under day-to-day operations, as you said　15:58:02 16　earlier.　15:58:06 17　A. I'm answering your question, sir.　15:58:07 18　It is anything and everything between annual　15:58:10 19　lease between 2 to 3 million, at least -- at least　15:58:13 20　the minimal.　15:58:17 21　Q. Okay. All right. Those are all my　15:58:18 22　questions.　15:58:21 23　MR. HARBACH: I don't know if any of the　15:58:23 24　other counsel who have endured this to this point　15:58:24 25　want to ask any questions.　15:58:28 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 234 of 280 1　THE VIDEOGRAPHER: It doesn't sound like it.　15:58:39 2　MR. HARBACH: All right. Well, Ms. Wang,　15:58:42 3　thank you very much for your time and your patience　15:58:44 4　with my questions today.　15:58:48 5　THE VIDEOGRAPHER: We are off the record at　15:58:51 6　3:58 p.m.　15:58:53 7　And this concludes today's testimony given　15:58:54 8　by Yvette Wang as a 30(b)(6) witness for　15:58:57 9　Golden Spring (New York).　15:59:00 10　The total number of media units used was one　15:59:00 11　and will be retained by Veritext Legal Solutions.　15:59:04 12　MR. HARBACH: This is David Harbach, of　16:03:38 13　O'Melveny & Myers, for Pacific Alliance.　16:04:03 14　And I would like to supplement the　16:04:06 15　deposition exhibits with one additional exhibit that　16:04:10 16　will be called Exhibit 6.　16:04:13 17　(Deposition Exhibit Number 6　16:04:13 18　was marked for identification.)　16:04:16 19　MR. HARBACH: And it is the notice of　16:04:16 20　deposition for today's witness. I have spoken to the　16:04:21 21　deponent's counsel, Mr. Rosen, and he does not object　16:04:25 22　to it being added as an exhibit.　16:04:28 23　MR. ROSEN: Can we put -- put it up on the　16:04:32 24　screen?　16:04:36 25　MR. HARBACH: Yes. Yes.　16:04:37 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 235 of 280 1　My colleague is working on that right now.　16:04:39 2　THE REPORTER: Mr. Rosen, would you like　16:05:30 3　a copy of the transcript?　16:05:35 4　MR. ROSEN: Yes.　16:06:02 5　THE REPORTER: And would you like a rough?　16:06:09 6　MR. ROSEN: Yes.　16:06:14 7　Copy to be delivered tonight.　16:06:22 8　(4:28 p.m.) 9　--ooOoo-- Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 236 of 280 1　STATE OF CALIFORNIA ) ) ss. 2　COUNTY OF KERN ) 4　I, YAN PING WANG, do hereby certify: 5　That I have read the foregoing 6　deposition; 7　That I have made such changes in form and/or 8　substance to the within deposition, as might be 9　necessary to render the same true and correct; 10　That having made such changes thereon, I 11　hereby subscribe my name to the deposition. 12　I declare, under penalty of perjury, that 13　the foregoing is true and correct. 14　Executed this _____ day of ___________, 15　2022, at _______________________, California. 18　_____________________________ Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 237 of 280 1　STATE OF CALIFORNIA ) ) ss. 2　COUNTY OF KERN ) 5　I, B. Suzanne Hull, a Certified Shorthand 6　Reporter in the State of California, holding 7　Certificate Number 13495, do hereby certify that 8　YAN PING WANG, the witness named in the foregoing 9　deposition, was by me duly sworn; that said 10　deposition, was taken Tuesday, April 12, 2022, at the 11　time and place set forth on the first page hereof. 12　That upon the taking of the deposition, the 13　words of the witness were written down by me in 14　stenotypy and thereafter transcribed by computer 15　under my supervision; that the foregoing is a true 16　and correct transcript of the testimony given by the 17　witness. 18　Pursuant to Federal Rule 30(e), transcript 19　review was requested. 20　I further certify that I am neither counsel 21　for nor in any way related to any party to said 22　action, nor in any way interested in the result or 23　outcome thereof. 24　/// 25　/// 1 Dated this 12th day of April, 2022, at Bakersfield, California. <%8004,Signature%> 4 B. 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Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 240 of 280 1　_X_Federal R&S Requested (FRCP 30(e)(1)(B)) – Locked .PDF 2　Transcript - The witness should review the transcript and 3　make any necessary corrections on the errata pages included 4　below, notating the page and line number of the corrections. 5　The witness should then sign and date the errata and penalty 6　of perjury pages and return the completed pages to all 7　appearing counsel within the period of time determined at 8　the deposition or provided by the Federal Rules. 9　__ Federal R&S Not Requested - Reading & Signature was not 10　requested before the completion of the deposition. 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announcement] 514-2000 3:7　accept 109:5　advised 87:9　152:1,4,6 168:2 214:5　acceptable 11:16　134:22 148:3　171:11,12 172:15 216:2　125:25　150:8 159:10　179:14 190:16 4:23　access 103:3,7,13　160:1　agree 135:2,9 6　104:6　advisement　137:3 178:21 1:16 5:9,13 7:9　account 124:25　111:20 182:12　181:14 183:24,24 9:19 20:5,12 26:2　125:8,11,14,22　186:17 207:23　agreement 137:16 26:11 27:5 37:6　126:22 127:1　affairs 191:22　144:18 145:10,17 38:6 44:20 65:19　128:4,6 202:3　192:6　145:22 146:8,21 209:8,16,17　accounts 124:12　affidavit 4:23　146:25 147:8 64th 7:3 184:20　124:21 158:22　43:19 56:17 57:6　160:25 162:11 185:3 190:3　accurate 29:22　58:5 59:9,10,12,17　165:23 179:25 31:4,5,5,11 51:4　60:10,12,14 61:13　181:13 188:10 6:6　76:1,4,13　61:25 62:5,8,16　189:5,10,15,22,25 7　acronym 132:12　63:10,11,13,21,24　190:18 2:7,17　action 212:22　64:1,13,21 65:5,9　agreements 728-5831 2:18　actions 127:2　65:25 66:9 67:5　186:12 188:6 8　activated 103:16　67:23 68:4,8　ah 148:1 142:23 143:2,11　activity 128:24　87:16 91:11 92:21　ahead 20:13 143:21,24 144:3　ad 168:15　affidavits 58:25　107:15 197:2 added 209:22　60:20 61:5 64:24　airport 35:24 146:10　additional 209:15　affiliation 26:7　aisling 2:15 213:3　address 27:2　affiliations 7:22　akas 58:11 166:21,22　71:14,18,20　afraid 170:9　alerted 157:21 2:23 3:12　184:23 185:2,7,11　afternoon 112:20　align 136:6 181:12 9　addressed 170:17　181:11　aligned 136:5 6:6　administrator　ago 12:10 15:24　137:8 165:23,23 3:11　47:9 51:25 52:15　17:19 25:14 29:20　165:23 178:23,24 9:15 7:2,6　54:21 55:2 58:8　30:3,20 36:6,6　181:18 a　58:16,19 68:1,6,17　37:17 44:16 45:12　alliance 2:11 5:9 68:19,25,25 69:6　49:11 60:17 61:19　7:11,25 8:12,14 a.m. 7:2,6　69:11 87:18 88:12　62:22 64:22 65:8　9:20 174:22 175:7 abided 165:2　88:16 89:13 90:16　65:17 79:24 80:8　209:13 abilities 9:2,12　91:2,14 95:6,9　80:24 85:21 96:4　amazon 204:17 ability 13:15　adopt 65:17　96:12,12,14 97:13　amenable 112:9 able 10:23,23 31:9　advance 117:11　98:18 103:18　american 47:15 64:14 168:23　advice 133:6　104:21 119:17　51:9,17 173:14 174:24 175:8 203:15　182:21,21　120:11 121:13　amurray 2:19 absolutely 84:19　advise 138:7 143:4　132:8 135:16　announcement 101:17,19 200:19 200:21　143:4 182:19　138:17,20 140:16 140:16,24 145:1,3　174:10 [annual - assist] annual 168:18　answering 12:3　approximate　105:6,11,15,18,25 172:24 208:9,10　119:24 156:11　125:10,21 126:21　119:21 121:7 208:18　208:17　approximately　133:1 141:6 143:6 answer 6:2 11:14　answers 97:17　21:6 24:11 65:10　144:7 160:25 12:14 13:15 16:12　188:18　73:20,25 113:16　164:25 169:8 20:11 22:9,10　anybody 164:22　127:6,16 129:13　177:22 178:11,17 23:21 26:16 29:12　anyway 94:13　130:3 152:4 177:7　180:11 182:4 29:13 31:21 33:14　183:2　187:16,19,20　191:9,14 196:7 33:15 35:9,16,17　apart 156:1　188:24 208:9　asking 27:3,4 31:4 35:22 37:2,15　apartment 72:14　april 1:18 4:17 7:2　49:5,16,18 50:7,8 38:4 42:8,10,16　72:21　7:7 29:14,23　60:10 61:4,8,11 45:4 47:5,7,9,16　apologies 76:17　30:11,18 31:3,7　63:1,12 64:17 47:23 50:4 52:4　174:9 191:14　61:18 212:10　67:4 68:21 69:3,5 52:19 54:24 55:4　apologize 87:13　213:1 214:3,5　70:6 71:3 72:24 61:6,9 63:17,19　apparent 124:13　architecture　80:9 81:12 88:15 64:8 66:2,5,6,15　136:4　118:11　98:8,21 102:20 67:9,11,12,16　apparently 168:9　arethusa 147:14　107:4,5,7 110:14 74:12,13,16,19,22　173:6　argue 136:10,13　110:17,19 112:22 74:25 76:23 77:11　appear 48:5　arguing 66:3　116:9 124:1,13,14 77:12,19 78:6,9,9　appearances 2:1　arrange 141:17　127:16 132:10 79:10,11,16 84:1,5　3:1 7:22　196:3　134:3 135:18 84:25 88:19,20,24　appearing 214:18　arranged 114:15　138:18 143:20 90:12 92:14 94:18　215:7　114:16,19 141:16　146:2 155:12 95:19 97:15 99:2　appointed 32:14　159:3,7,21　156:3 160:13 116:4,15,20,22,23　34:9,12,20 38:22　arrangement 37:5　168:1 169:20,22 119:23 122:10,18　45:24 46:2,3,5　162:14　176:4 179:7,7,8,11 126:24 129:9　49:4 50:23 97:4,8　arranging 111:6　179:13 180:3,17 130:11,25 132:10　97:12 122:19　arrested 48:11　182:11,15,18,21 132:14 133:8,9　166:3 173:4,7,16　84:6　190:21 194:6,22 134:24 140:4　174:18 180:25　arrived 143:11,21　199:15 202:5 154:19 158:5　182:5　143:24 144:3　203:10,13 206:18 159:20 160:15　appreciate 67:14　ascribe 86:19　207:3,6 208:14 161:1 165:20　157:25　asia 2:11 5:9 9:20　asks 106:15 170:11,22 175:10　appropriate 41:25　aside 44:10 127:5　aspect 165:7 182:1 183:22,25　44:22 157:24　128:4,6 175:2　asset 130:14,22 183:25 188:6　approval 37:5　193:17　assets 127:6,17 193:16 200:3,12　107:19,23　asked 21:8 22:5　128:6,23 129:4 204:22 207:8　approve 146:12　48:6 53:11 62:22　assignment 46:9 answered 31:11　approved 107:14　78:25 79:2,9　58:23 62:12 184:8 204:4　159:2,6 177:25　82:10,15,19 87:17　assist 89:16 92:18 178:2 180:7　88:21 95:8 105:4　192:20 193:19 [assistant - birnbaum] assistant 88:25　authorize 104:13　123:10 126:7　begins 47:5 74:10 89:10,18 92:23　authorized 104:16　149:17 170:14　behalf 137:6 93:2,9,14,19 95:1　164:19 168:14　174:6,20 186:23　166:14 95:10　204:3,6　206:4,6　beijing 86:14,16 assisted 15:25　automobile 110:21　background 26:7　86:24 89:24　automobiles　47:13 155:2　believe 13:22 assisting 192:4　111:19　bakersfield 213:2　14:14 18:3 21:6 assume 101:12,13　available 91:19　balance 125:10,22　24:1,1,22 31:12 101:14 109:9　92:2 146:5 206:19　126:21 127:19,22　32:12 35:13 42:23 188:18 206:5　avenue 197:21　127:24 174:23　69:20 80:1,25 assumed 46:12　198:16,19　bank 124:12,18,21　81:16 90:7 94:20 47:19 49:18　avoid 184:22　124:25 125:7,8,14　97:4,8 99:1,23 169:15　185:6　125:22 126:22　104:16,20 105:9 assumes 166:9　avoids 71:22　127:1,5,21 128:4,6　113:12 114:2,20 attached 146:14　aware 11:2 108:12　128:9,10 129:17　117:21 128:8 attend 191:7　108:14,14 156:10　129:20 158:22　141:14 143:14 attention 21:10　164:9 166:6 171:1　174:23　144:25 156:8,9 84:4 145:19　177:9 178:4　banking 175:6　157:4 163:5 146:23　b　bankruptcy 1:1　170:15 172:14,17 attorney 2:12,22　b 1:16,25 4:9 5:3　7:12 36:4,16 37:6　177:17 182:25 3:5,11 63:25 68:9　5:13 7:9 9:19 20:5　48:24 94:7,20　185:1 194:14 134:10 138:25　20:12 26:2,11　130:20 191:21　196:19 204:5,7 139:1 140:13　27:5 37:6 38:6　192:5　205:18 207:22 145:19 146:18　44:20 65:19 209:8　barely 37:7　bennett 2:5 8:9 147:18,21 148:4　212:5 213:4 215:1　base 24:6　best 9:1,11 12:4 170:15,19,24　back 19:3 23:1,2　based 148:5　51:6 60:1,1 62:9 171:16 172:3　23:21 30:5 31:9　161:24 165:22　64:2 188:20 192:17　32:3,20 36:12　basic 26:6,8　better 30:2 76:16 attorney's 134:11　37:23 44:11 46:18　basics 99:10　76:18 103:19,20 170:16 171:18　48:7,13 49:10　basis 85:20 130:21　beyond 27:1 attorneys 2:6,16　50:21 51:2 56:8　151:2,15,16　bill 100:2,21 15:15 17:15,22　57:4,25 61:17　156:23 192:25　101:25 196:11 58:18 139:9,9　62:8,19 63:24　201:8　198:3 199:1,6 141:15 145:7　64:2,17 66:25　bear 193:16　200:6,10 201:2,10 146:4　71:3 73:10 75:12　bearing 91:1　202:10 205:1,6 audit 102:11　75:25 78:14,21　began 23:19 24:14　bills 99:16,19,21 aulet 2:5 8:7,7　69:1　100:7 101:22 authority 165:14　79:3,16 80:9,13 86:4 87:10,14,21　beginning 28:11　195:10 196:11 168:20 180:4　88:2 90:1,20 91:4　28:12 69:7 87:6　197:7 201:5 authorization　101:15 107:16　117:19 179:24　birnbaum 2:21 165:24　8:2 111:16 112:16 [bit - cbshealaw.com] bit 30:25 37:8　brown 2:4 8:7,10　calculate 70:4　198:23 202:13,19 46:25 162:14　18:6　calculating 193:19　202:19,20,22,23 195:4　brownrudnick.c　calculation 70:7　203:3,7,7,8,23,24 blamed 86:3　2:9,9　california 10:5　204:3,11,11 205:2 blower 117:18　bsilverberg 2:9　211:1,15 212:1,6　205:7,8,9 book 34:2 189:8　budget 208:7,9　213:2　cards 102:16,22 books 190:18,22　build 118:21　call 16:6,20 28:15　102:23 103:1 207:16　174:19　43:3 95:25 102:8　204:18 borrowed 177:17　building 171:5　called 8:24 9:9,19　care 96:1,4 98:16 borrower 177:19　business 24:24　14:18 39:5 86:13　98:25 99:5,6 185:23,24,25　48:9 74:24 79:8　89:17 93:19　100:11,16 138:5 187:6 188:10　79:15 80:5,11,12　112:23 114:20　139:2 141:17 boss 30:7 78:17,22　80:15,18 81:20　209:16　143:5 148:4,6,11 78:24,25 81:2,6　97:15 114:7,9,10　calling 76:11 77:9　148:16 154:11,14 86:16,18,20,21　114:11 115:15,19　199:15　159:11 160:1,5,10 bottom 47:4　115:20 116:4　calls 52:2 155:18　160:13,18 161:2 167:19,22　117:11,16,19　207:7　161:13,19,23,24 brain 63:7　118:1 119:9　candidate 154:13　162:4,17,22 180:9 branded 174:22　120:18 121:18　candidates 152:16　181:23,23 195:25 bravo 114:20,24　122:5 168:14　cantonese 54:11　197:11 199:11 115:4,11　175:17,19 183:17　cap 177:21　career 31:18 break 66:17 67:4　buy 106:3,15,19　capability 154:18　164:18 111:24 112:3,4　107:9,9,15,24　capacity 51:23　careful 185:8 126:17,20 167:3　108:5 143:7 183:1　52:13 54:19 58:7　carried 168:14 173:21 174:1　194:14 196:7,15　60:1 90:8,10,17,23　carry 208:5 205:23　196:17,17,18,19　91:15,21,23 92:1,4　cars 109:22,25 bridgeport 1:3　197:21 198:1,15　92:5,16 95:5　110:4,6 111:17 7:13　198:18 199:12,19　105:7 141:23　181:14 brief 138:19　200:5 202:2,11,15　178:21 191:24　case 1:7 7:13 11:8 142:18　202:17 203:24　captioned 167:15　14:18,20,22 37:6 briefed 138:1,10　204:11　car 108:20 110:3　90:15 101:10 138:13,16,21,24　buying 204:16　111:4 195:13,17　129:16 130:20 161:18　buys 196:13　206:9,10,11,17,18　142:22 206:4 briefing 149:16　198:11 200:6　206:22　cash 127:10,12,13 briefly 144:19,23　bylaws 163:22,25　card 99:21 100:5　127:14 bring 182:20　164:1,5,11,15　101:22,25 102:14　catch 173:18 broad 165:6　165:1,3,7,14,17　102:17,24 103:4,7　category 123:15 broken 86:3　c　103:14 104:6,10　176:22 brothers 84:10　104:15,22,25　cater 92:10 brought 86:10　c'mon 153:15　105:1 195:10　cbshealaw.com 87:3　ca 214:9,12,20　196:11 198:7,7,20　2:24 [ccp - completion] ccp 214:9,12　155:2,2　close 173:25　99:3 150:22,25 certain 201:8　checked 127:24　closer 36:8 152:3　151:11,15,17 certainly 41:24　china 18:18,20　clothes 95:25　187:10 80:17 129:3　24:25 25:25 30:3　99:20 100:18　communicated 164:25　31:8,20 114:8　101:5,6,9 196:17　17:3,11,15 151:2 certificate 5:5,6　chinese 47:11　196:18,19 198:12　164:20 166:14 167:16　49:24 54:4 84:7　198:15,18 199:3　communicating 168:4,19 173:8　203:20　clothing 99:9,18　17:6 212:7　choice 47:10　100:24 101:4,11　communication certification 10:6　city 31:22 71:13　101:13 107:22　154:17 196:1 certified 10:4,5,11　71:19,20 72:1　201:7　communications 212:5　184:25　code 214:9,12,19　16:8 certify 211:4　civil 5:14 214:19　214:20　communist 47:11 212:7,20　214:20　coffee 82:6,10,12　84:7 cetera 68:12　claiborn 3:5 8:15　82:15,20 106:19　companies 27:5 challenged 170:7　8:15　107:12 141:18　company 26:8 change 163:20　claim 77:22　cohn 2:21 8:2　45:9 46:7,10 188:17,18 199:19　claimed 78:23　colleague 18:1　47:12 79:21 86:13 199:21 216:4,7,10　clarified 100:17　19:10 47:12 71:10　86:13 92:17 216:13,16,19　clarify 90:3,10　210:1　101:16 103:13 changes 211:7,10　120:4 182:2　come 25:12,15　114:4,5,7,19 changing 127:19　187:24　27:20 28:4 44:11　117:15 118:19,24 charge 80:12　clarity 151:6　122:21 129:2　119:4,12 124:9 101:11,12 102:1,3　200:22　148:7 159:9　128:14 136:5 102:9　cleanup 174:13　161:21 162:6　137:7 152:11 charter 166:7　205:24　163:11 167:8　153:9 155:3,8 167:17 168:15,16　clear 53:15,16　176:2,3,6,8,9　160:17 163:22 169:3,18,24　62:15 75:7 87:15　195:14,16　164:2,17 165:1,2 171:14 172:22　95:11,11 121:22　comes 27:3 180:10　169:16,18 181:19 173:1,13　151:5 161:1　comfortable 11:4　195:20 charters 170:20　183:25　153:2　company's 166:6 chat 141:8,8,10　clearly 11:1 34:2　coming 87:21　competency 26:10 142:19 161:18　85:25 97:5 101:16　152:19 153:10　44:24 chauffeur 34:24　186:25 187:1　159:16 160:2,6,14　compiling 193:19 35:10,19 36:1,23　client 120:2,8,9,11　162:11　complete 168:18 37:21 206:14,19　120:15,20 121:3,7　comley 3:10 8:5　172:24 174:24 206:23　121:8,15 122:22　comma 88:24　175:8 check 3:18 9:6,14　122:23 126:1　committee 3:10　completed 214:7 10:7,9,9 34:1　clients 119:5,9,18　8:5　214:17 215:6 52:21,21 53:1,6,17　120:18 121:19　communicate 17:1　completion 215:10 127:21 131:13,13　69:17 70:15,19,21 [complicated - court] complicated 17:24　console 129:18　31:21,22 33:17,23　16:14 19:21 20:3 complies 21:1,12　constraints 164:10　36:17 39:14 43:1　26:1 41:21 53:7,9 23:4 28:25 29:4　consult 18:5　43:2 48:8,12　125:25 140:8 32:22 33:2,9 35:3　106:16,20,22　51:13,15,16,19,20　150:5,9,20 151:6 35:5 43:15 46:19　consulted 134:25　52:24 54:1 60:21　151:12,24 152:18 46:22,24 55:12,23　135:4,5,7　62:2 69:16 77:2,3　152:23 153:9 56:23 57:5,17　contact 79:25　77:5,6 79:16,22　156:2,19,19 58:1 73:12 74:4　149:20 154:24　84:16 85:1,13,14　157:11,14 208:24 83:14,20 87:25　214:9　90:18,20,24 91:13　209:21 212:20 88:4,9 167:13　contained 15:7　91:16 97:15　214:18,21 215:7 composed 121:13　contains 189:16　104:19,23 105:21　counsel's 150:10 computer 19:25　contested 37:4　106:17 108:21　153:17,18 154:3 212:14　130:19　111:2,4,5,7 117:2　154:24 con 26:11　context 26:12　121:16,18 129:23　counsels 16:5 concerned 21:4　continue 193:1　135:25 136:21　144:25 76:6 158:17　continued 3:1 5:1　137:5,11,12,25　count 80:3 concerns 71:22　contributed 122:1　139:12 142:8,10　countless 159:14 126:25 128:22　122:7　142:11,12 145:12　countries 175:23 185:9　controls 122:6　149:1 155:6,24　country 27:14 concludes 209:7　conversation　157:13 161:15　115:23 116:8 conclusion 52:3　139:10 162:7,19　166:15 175:11　county 211:2 conditions 146:14　178:14 191:7　185:13 187:17,19　212:2 conduct 155:17　conversations　189:1,2,5,6,10,12　couple 10:21 19:3 conducted 14:10　16:13 77:22　189:18 190:4,5,20　73:8 97:13 109:22 80:25 128:24　149:19 171:22　190:25 192:21　110:1 135:15 155:2　178:7　198:7 202:21　138:20 149:7 confess 67:7　convince 181:7,7　205:7,13 211:9,13　208:4 confirm 92:7　convinced 180:1　212:16　course 14:21 47:7 198:9 203:18　cooperate 78:20　corrected 75:22　48:18,20,23 61:18 206:23　coordinate 118:12　75:23,24 76:4　81:24 85:2 121:20 confusing 22:25　copy 210:3,7　correction 29:18　126:2 130:5 131:7 121:10　corner 57:1　46:20 76:6 91:5　135:6 137:15 confusion 22:19　corporate 1:16　169:17　142:18 147:3,3 23:8　9:19 15:3 44:21　corrections 214:14　154:18 170:23 connecticut 1:2　corporation 4:21　214:15 215:3,4　174:19 181:13 2:23 3:12 7:13　23:24 34:1 168:13　correctly 75:1　court 1:1 7:12,19 connolly 170:16　168:21 170:15　107:21 172:5,16　8:18 10:4,11,11 170:19 172:2,3,7,9　corporation's　192:19　11:22 14:23 48:2 172:19　168:3　costs 177:8,16　50:11 57:8 85:3 consecutive 24:6　correct 16:1 18:4　counsel 7:21 9:20　146:11 194:9 25:2　24:19,21 30:11,12　10:15 12:20 16:13 [courts - described] courts 37:14 38:8　d　debtor 1:9 2:4 8:8　department 3:4 cover 15:7 73:15　d 2:21 4:1 148:25　8:10 40:6 41:24　87:9,12 128:1 177:15　dad 199:13　53:11,23 85:12　155:1,9,16,23 covered 37:9　daily 128:16　131:4,10,25 132:7　depo 99:4 covid 16:5　142:17,19 149:24　132:15,19 134:21　deponent's 209:21 craig 193:11,14　151:2 179:6,8　135:3,10 137:4　deposed 13:22 create 43:19 44:2　208:5,8　156:19 186:14　14:1,5,12 36:8,16 created 43:20　daniel 148:24　debtor's 53:24　90:7 92:20 94:6 114:13,24 115:8　date 23:17 29:13　131:17,17,18　deposition 1:14 115:15,16 116:6,8　30:24 31:7 33:17　debtors 146:16　5:11 7:9,15 11:7 117:6 123:9　36:8 73:17 104:5　decide 106:22　11:21 13:25 14:4 credentials 9:25　168:3,9 214:16　107:11　14:10 15:8,12,20 10:8　215:5 216:24　decided 183:1　16:10,24 17:2,12 credit 99:21　dated 4:16,24 5:7　decides 183:6　17:16,20 18:7,19 101:21,25 102:14　5:15 73:16 213:1　decision 134:20　19:7 20:1,8 21:7 102:16,17,22,23　dates 14:2,2 21:5　135:1,8,12,14,17　28:17 29:17 37:4 102:25 129:4　daughter 84:9　135:19,21,24　37:18 38:6 43:5 195:10 196:11　david 2:11 7:24　136:3 137:3,5,6,14　47:24 48:2,25 198:6,20 202:20　10:20 65:12 116:2　137:17,18,25　55:10 65:19 73:17 203:7,23 204:11　153:15 156:9　142:19 143:8　76:20 80:25 95:8 creditor 2:11,21　157:22 187:23　152:8,10 153:19　95:15 96:17 109:5 7:11 9:20 128:24　209:12　154:3,22 164:19　116:12 125:18 creditors 3:10 8:6　day 49:3,6,7 50:15　165:10 179:5,8,20　130:15,18 133:17 194:25　69:22 109:2　180:20 181:11,20　133:21 134:5 credits 127:2　127:19,20 139:25　181:21 183:12　145:13 156:21 crystal 75:7　140:1 145:21　184:2 201:1　162:13 163:1 csr 1:25 213:4　163:7,10 168:15　decisions 142:14　166:23 209:15,17 culture 49:23,24　173:15 194:22,22　142:17 164:2　209:20 211:6,8,11 49:24　195:15,15 196:5,5　178:25　212:9,10,12 current 45:1　208:15,15 211:14　declare 211:12　214:19,22,24 125:10 129:3　213:1　default 146:20,25　215:8,10 148:17 150:5,19　dc 2:13 3:7　147:8　depositions 11:2 151:24 153:3　deal 195:21　defendant 58:9　14:24 currently 124:14　206:11　definitely 59:22　describe 85:15 150:2 152:18　debate 125:19　delaware 4:21 5:4　92:23 174:15 156:4,7 157:2,4　debit 102:24 103:4　167:16 168:4,22　175:16 179:3 190:3　103:7,13 104:6,10　171:9　described 68:22 cute 104:2　104:15,22,24　delay 19:12 44:6　69:6 70:17 91:22 105:1 198:7,23　delivered 210:7　117:12 120:14 202:12,19 203:7　dep 58:4　124:22 186:11 203:24 204:11 [description - employee] description 4:11　direct 21:10 84:4　discuss 126:1　driver 35:10 5:2　91:4 158:5　140:21 141:2　drop 19:10 designed 187:5　directed 27:7　discussion 174:21　due 16:5 designer 118:11　192:15,20　displaying 132:4　dug 169:8 details 36:15　direction 82:2　disregard 125:2　duly 9:1,11,21 64:23 105:12　117:17 190:24　district 1:2 7:12　168:13,20 212:9 113:15 147:2　directly 99:22　dive 198:8　duties 26:18,23 153:3 181:16　100:8,9 101:1　diversified 45:15　44:17 45:7 46:4 determined　103:24 110:10　114:11　69:6 77:23 169:15 214:18,22 215:7　159:4,8,22 177:18　division 1:3 7:13　duty 27:2 149:9 develop 115:18　director 4:19 28:9　document 20:5,7　dwell 196:23 117:15 174:21　32:14 38:18,19,22　21:24 28:14 43:16　dwelling 72:9,10 device 129:18　42:23,25 43:24　43:18,22 44:2　e dharbach 2:14　45:25 46:13 47:20　56:18 61:13 62:24　e 4:1,9 38:14,23 dictionary 60:9　49:5 56:9 97:20　63:9 167:1,4　39:9 147:15 difference 101:8　98:3 110:19 123:7　169:8,12,14 170:2　148:25 212:18 176:17　134:19 142:6　171:8 172:21 different 116:11　175:13 181:19　documentation　214:9,12 215:1 120:14 127:15　directors 34:16　170:21　216:3,3,3 136:18,20 166:2　37:10 148:18　documented　earlier 47:1 53:11 175:23　168:20　187:21,25 188:1,8　77:22 87:14 99:9 118:5 158:22 difficult 195:2　disagree 129:8　189:4,12 190:17 dip 37:5,11 42:3　156:22 158:7　documents 15:16　176:15 182:9 42:13 66:12 94:21　183:5,9 184:4　15:18 166:16　188:4 193:15 125:15 130:20　193:1　169:11 170:7　195:9 207:12 208:16 131:22,23 132:1,4　disagreed 137:13　184:15 185:12,14　ease 39:16 132:9,11,23 134:7　179:15 180:19　186:11 190:3,7　east 7:3 184:20 134:8,21 135:2,9　183:1,11　207:13　190:3 136:18,23 137:4　disagreement　doing 11:21 45:10　eastern 14:19,19 137:18 138:3,19　179:19 181:22　45:11 80:22 93:5　efficient 87:15 139:2,5,14 140:12　182:3　115:21 117:17　eight 83:19,22 140:21 142:21,23　disagreements　128:1 141:6　84:2 144:5,11,18 145:9　179:23 181:3　160:19 145:17,21 146:8　disappeared 48:11　dollars 179:1,9,12　eighteenth 72:20 146:21,25 147:2,8　disclose 124:24,24　179:20,21 180:21　either 16:13 38:7 48:10 59:22 63:19 147:19 158:18　150:10　183:13 184:3 159:2,6,14,16　disclosing 16:12　drafted 58:18　elected 168:20 160:25 162:11,13　42:11　63:25 68:8　employed 36:1 162:23 163:11,15　disclosure 130:15　drill 171:5　employee 35:14,20 176:17 177:3　130:23　drive 194:8　78:15,16,18 79:4 180:7　81:9,15 84:13 85:19,23,24 86:4,6 [employee - family] 123:7 151:12,17　estate 47:15 51:9　44:10 46:18,21　extend 37:13 38:8 153:3 154:13　51:17 114:10　47:6 55:9,10,19　extended 176:10 155:7 156:10　115:20 117:22,24　56:2,4,9,13 57:1　extra 185:8 employees 34:21　117:25 118:9,11　62:5,16,23 64:9　eye 2:12 37:10 48:10 78:15　181:4 182:6　67:5,19,21 73:11　f 151:13 156:6,12　183:15,19 184:5　83:13,15 87:16,23　f 116:22 147:15 157:1,2 158:3　et 68:12　87:24 88:1,2 91:4　facilitate 118:12 192:20 206:15　events 146:19,24　91:5,6 166:20,23　fact 50:22 80:16 208:12　147:7　167:9,12 171:17　80:20 89:4 123:2 employer 153:5,17　everybody 19:11　172:8 209:15,16　169:17,22 153:19 154:3,7,20　163:19 173:24　209:17,22　factor 153:19 154:25 155:6　evidencing 207:17　exhibits 5:1 19:15　154:3 empowered　exact 71:14 184:23　20:16 209:15　facts 32:8 166:9 142:14　exactly 98:17　existed 145:18　failure 168:18 endured 208:24　180:15　expand 115:18　172:24 engage 129:7　examination 4:3　expect 122:15　fair 60:18 72:23 english 8:25,25　10:17　124:10 158:18,21　74:1 90:6 94:14 9:10,10 10:10　examined 14:5　expectation 50:12　162:20 170:5 11:3,5,6,7,11,25　example 94:6　expected 184:10　173:17 29:25 38:23 39:22　95:23 99:3 102:2　expecting 169:6　familiar 144:5,11 40:16 50:2 55:16　102:5,6 105:10　expedition 37:13　146:19 186:20 62:25 63:25 79:19　106:19 108:11　expenses 100:11　families 86:25 86:4 98:10 144:4　143:6 179:5　192:15 193:20,23　family 24:24 29:11 144:19 201:20　183:10,23 184:2,2　194:3　29:23 30:6,9,10,13 203:4,7,14,15　184:7 198:14,16　expensive 108:6,9　30:17,19 31:2,15 205:14,17　200:7 201:18　194:14　31:18,20 48:9 ensure 98:24　203:22　experience 45:1　52:1,17,23 54:22 ensured 98:6　examples 182:3,5　161:24　58:12,17 68:2,7 ensuring 98:4　182:10,16 205:4　explain 20:4 41:21　81:11 84:8 85:6,6 enterprise 118:15　exceeds 20:11　64:5 75:3 151:8　85:7,11,25 86:5,6 175:17　excuse 15:11 56:5　177:13 200:14　86:12,17 87:7 entire 48:8 84:17　58:5 128:3 163:18　explained 93:7　91:15,20 95:7 85:7 129:15 155:7　194:4　175:6 176:16　113:6,7 115:16 164:18 170:14　executed 65:10　180:25 182:4　118:3,4,7,22 119:6 174:19　211:14　183:17　119:7,8,9,19,22 errata 214:14,16　executing 166:13　explanation 26:3　120:12,15,17,23 215:3,5　exhibit 4:11,12,16　explore 42:1 93:5　121:3,8,13,15,17 escalate 107:18　4:19,23 5:2,3,3,9　116:3　121:17,23,24 143:8　19:6,7 20:15　exploring 44:23　122:22 123:21 established 66:11　28:17,20 32:20,21　65:24　124:5 157:17 33:8 35:2 43:5　164:16,17,23 [family - fourteen] 176:10,10 181:16　figure 26:9 111:10　finishing 173:25　follow 32:4 102:15 182:17 183:20　128:11 135:14　fire 171:4　168:23 197:12,18 184:24 205:8,9,12　143:3,11,21 144:3　firm 7:17,19 15:14　followed 164:15 famous 208:1　187:16　15:25 17:21,22　following 109:2 far 37:6,10 95:14　figuring 102:13　18:6 60:25 124:8　follows 9:2,12,22 98:19 124:3　195:2　193:5　58:11 214:8 158:16 160:4　file 20:19 168:18　firm's 17:23,25　food 95:25 99:9,20 164:9 165:3 180:6　172:24　firms 17:21 114:3　99:20 107:12,22 187:15 198:21　filed 7:11 57:7　first 9:21 23:17　141:18 father 53:20 68:25　65:25 167:23　25:13 30:4 50:5　foods 204:17 69:12 91:20 92:18　168:19 171:8　52:10 55:1,21　205:5 92:19 96:1,4　173:8　56:16 58:4 62:23　foregoing 211:5 98:16 99:6 108:24　filing 168:3　62:25 69:7 75:3,7　211:13 212:8,15 109:2 113:13　fill 191:21　86:10 87:6 139:4　forgeries 170:8 117:18 119:15　filling 192:4　139:7 143:15　forget 29:14 30:24 122:24 134:9　finance 128:1　144:14 145:16,21　75:23 136:2 143:7　160:24 162:10　153:8,13 162:9,23　forgive 185:8 175:25 176:6　190:23 196:12,12　163:3,7,10 168:15　forgot 31:8 177:22 180:11,12　197:8 198:8 199:7　174:19 201:5　form 13:1 121:5 182:19,20,22　199:13　212:11　211:7 191:8 196:1 199:9　financial 46:14,16　fishing 37:13　formal 189:17 199:11,23 201:9　47:13,22 49:8,9,13　five 4:18 5:7 29:7　formed 18:10,11 206:22　49:20 50:3,19,22　33:1,7 41:13 59:3　forsyth 147:14,21 father's 95:24　127:25 189:8,11　59:5 79:24 80:7　forth 141:24,25 100:18 134:9　189:22 191:22　85:21 168:11　142:3 195:10 182:18 201:11　192:5　fix 170:25 173:15　212:11 february 33:11,17　financials 101:16　173:19　forty 4:14 20:20 33:23 35:14,17　financing 37:5　fixing 167:8　29:3,5 35:4 46:23 federal 5:13　131:4,11 132:19　floor 72:20　47:1,3,4,8 83:19 212:18 215:1,8,9　132:24 134:21　flow 127:10,12,13　83:22 84:2 88:8 fee 107:2　135:3,10 136:23　127:14　88:14 feel 98:13 153:2　find 23:1 110:3,23　focus 23:17 33:16　forward 53:20 200:16　151:4 204:18　136:22 163:9　88:7 feeling 154:15　fine 11:11 54:14　focused 165:10　four 21:25 22:13 fees 107:5　61:10 158:13　focusing 166:6　22:13 30:2 36:6 fifteen 17:8,9,9　160:20　193:22　36:10,14 56:14 138:20　finish 12:3 63:5　folder 19:16 20:16　61:19 64:22 65:8 fifth 197:21　78:5,7　28:20　91:7,9 116:22 198:16,19　finished 84:20,22　folders 19:18　142:7 fifty 59:7　116:20 205:24　folks 112:9 163:17　fourteen 157:4 [frame - golden] frame 140:9　107:7 150:5,9,10　going 7:6 13:3　51:24 52:14 54:20 frank 147:15　150:19 151:6,12　18:20 19:6 26:4　58:6,21,22,23 frcp 215:1　151:24 152:18,23　26:15,21,25 28:13　59:21 65:21 67:25 frequency 109:1　153:9,17,18 154:2　29:2 37:1,12 42:9　68:10,11,16,23 frequently 69:17　154:24 156:1　43:3 44:10 53:20　69:2,8,9,14 71:4 70:25 80:1 83:1　157:11,14 179:12　62:13 66:3,7,12,14　71:12 72:1,8 108:13,23 140:13　183:4 201:25　66:21 75:17 84:3　73:22 74:21,24 friend 80:6　generally 15:12　87:13 90:10 91:4　77:18,21,25 78:12 front 67:20　gentleman 35:11　96:6 97:9 99:7,7　78:19 79:7,15,18 fulfill 70:16　getting 107:25　112:12 125:2,4,18　80:5,11,12,13,18 full 23:24 174:24　128:10 204:24　125:24 126:3,23　80:22 81:3,6 175:8　give 26:3 44:5　129:2 132:17　86:22 90:4,9,18 fully 129:7 130:21　71:17 82:1 96:2　135:13 136:6　91:16,17,18,24 fund 2:12 5:10　96:24 104:4　146:17 150:7,13　92:9,16 93:6 95:4 9:21 99:4,8　105:10 153:3,8,8,8　158:5,20,24　95:24 97:2,20 114:15,15 115:7　163:17 166:18　161:13 163:11,15　98:3,23 99:11 143:6 159:2,6,16　182:21 183:25　166:19 174:2　100:16 102:7,22 163:11 176:19　186:6 198:14,22　183:5,22 206:1　102:23,25 103:4,7 funded 114:12,23　198:24 205:19　207:11,14 208:10　103:9 104:6,10,13 115:12　given 11:2 29:19　golden 2:21 4:20　104:14,17,22,24 funding 42:13　75:12 96:16,19　5:3,11 7:10 8:3　105:8 107:15,18 136:2,16 180:10　108:2 136:4 200:7　15:3,20 16:9,22　108:3 109:4,11,13 funds 99:6 101:15　209:7 212:16　17:2,4,10 18:9,11　109:18,21,22,25 127:8 160:24　gives 26:11,11　18:15,16,17,18,20　110:7,14,17,20,25 162:10,24　giving 204:22　18:21,24 21:5　111:11,17 113:21 furniture 194:14　go 11:7 20:13,16　22:8 23:11,20,24　114:12,15,23 208:12　23:1,2 31:9 32:20　23:25 24:2,3,12,13　115:8,12,14,16 further 37:2　32:25 35:4 46:18　24:14,18,21,23　116:5,8 117:6,10 212:20　52:8 54:2 55:21　25:6,16,18 27:6,10　118:7,14 119:4,13 g　56:8,21 57:4,14,25　27:15 28:9 30:8　119:13,18,23 g 17:5,5 30:8,9　66:18 74:3 75:6,6　32:10,13,15 33:12　120:12,20,23,24 38:22,23,24 39:9,9　75:13,24 82:5,20　33:18 34:1,3,7,9　121:1,4,15,19 39:12,12 86:14　83:9,13,18 88:1　34:13,16,22,25　122:1,7,13,20,21 112:24　100:4 106:3　35:14,20 36:2,24　123:8,13 124:11 gasoline 111:8　107:15 108:5　37:21 38:1,18　124:21 125:7,14 gasolines 109:14　129:3 144:23　40:9,18,22 41:4,17　125:22 126:21,25 109:14　153:25 167:9,11　42:2,5,21 43:25　127:7,8,9,17 gather 171:12　183:9 196:20　44:15,17,21,25　128:12,19,20,23 188:7　197:2,6 202:9,12　45:7,17,21,25 46:6　129:14,17 130:11 general 27:4 46:7　goes 47:7,16 84:2　46:13 47:10,21　130:15 131:3,9 46:8 71:20 107:4　197:14 201:8　49:5,19 50:24　132:18,21,22,23 [golden - harbach] 133:7,16 134:19　granted 130:21　138:21 139:11　happened 32:8 135:2,9 136:1,17　groceries 201:19　143:1,4 144:2　47:24 85:18 137:7,10 140:25　201:20 202:5,11　147:18 148:3,5,10　105:13,17 106:25 141:24 148:6,12　203:24 204:12,16　148:19 157:8　122:15 136:14 148:15,18 150:2,6　grocery 99:20　159:3,7,10,22　138:1,19,19 150:20 151:11,25　100:21 201:21,24　161:2 163:12　170:13,23 173:3 152:19,24 153:1　202:9,10,12　164:18 165:21　173:15,19 182:23 153:10 156:1,6,18　203:22 205:3　172:7,12 175:12　183:8 199:9 157:3,22 158:16　grounds 120:1　175:17 177:18　happens 85:16 158:17,20 159:13　guess 97:12　178:2,6,15,20　195:2 196:2,9 160:21,24 163:21　165:11　179:16 180:7,20　197:22 198:2 164:10,14 165:16　guo 17:4 24:24　182:19 183:1,5　199:2 165:22 166:4,14　29:10,23 30:6,8,9　187:5 189:20　happy 12:12 168:9 169:3,15,25　30:10,13,17,19　191:3,8 194:16,16　harass 38:8 170:14,20 171:14　31:2,15,17,19,25　199:4,8,11,12,15　harassed 125:14 172:10 173:1,4　32:5 34:14 38:21　199:17,22 200:8　harassment 42:14 174:16 175:3,13　39:8,9,12,21 40:3　201:7 206:11,21　124:22 176:23 177:7,14　40:8,17,24 41:6　guo's 53:20 68:10　harbach 2:11 4:5 177:18 178:1,3　45:9 46:2 48:9　76:9 89:14 94:9　7:23,24 10:18,20 180:5 184:10　53:2,5,12 55:3　106:2 113:12　12:23 13:2,5,10,11 185:3 186:9,14　68:24 69:10,18　136:2 137:4　16:17 19:9,20,22 187:4 188:25　70:10 75:22 76:12　142:15 170:18　19:24 20:6,14,17 190:14,18,23　76:25 77:9,13,17　178:23 201:12　26:5,21 27:8 191:10 192:3,11　77:22 78:12 79:14　h　28:15,19 29:17,21 192:15 193:18　79:17 80:17,21　h 4:9 39:13,14　37:16 38:10 40:15 194:2,7,8 195:4,7　81:4,7,10,13,19　147:15,16 148:25　41:1,23 42:7,15,18 195:15,22 198:22　85:6,7,24 86:5,6　171:25 216:3　42:19 43:7,9 44:6 198:24 199:14　86:12,17,21,24　habit 64:24　44:9,23 45:5 52:7 201:10,23 202:7　87:7 90:19 92:3　half 36:10,14 84:5　52:12,20,24 53:3,8 202:10 206:8,13　95:23 96:9 97:14　hand 8:20 9:5,15　53:15,18 54:7,9,14 206:22 207:14　98:15 99:4 100:15　57:1 167:22　54:17 55:4,7,8,13 208:5,8 209:9　104:17 106:10,21　handed 149:23　59:15 60:3 65:2,4 goldenspringny　107:14,16,19,24　handled 134:23　65:14,20 66:16 214:2　109:23 110:10　214:8　67:3,7,17,18 71:8 good 7:5,23 8:1　113:7,10,23　handling 78:19　71:9,21,24 73:4,6 10:3,19 11:19　114:14 115:2,17　handouts 118:10　76:17,19 83:10,12 49:14 53:22 55:18　115:17,22 116:6　hang 70:13 151:22　87:2,4 90:6,14 56:20 88:11　116:18 117:7,7,13　happen 127:20　93:1 94:22 95:21 112:20 141:6　120:15 134:6,22　197:20 198:4,5,10　104:1,3 111:15,21 197:25　134:25 135:1,8,18　198:17,17　111:23 112:1,6,11 136:3 137:13　112:19 116:3,16 [harbach - hr] ho 1:8 2:5 7:11 8:8 11:15 31:12 39:18 40:6 41:16 36:20 37:18 40:15 41:24 42:1 45:18 51:6 52:5 73:15 45:22 52:1,16,22 81:24,24 82:3 53:5,7,9,13,21 89:13,15,20 90:19 54:22 58:9,16 106:2 131:5,14 66:7 68:2,6,11,20 146:5 147:1 70:16 72:3,9,17　204:21 205:11 206:1,14 214:4 216:1 hold 119:24 142:7 holding 212:6 holdup 70:14 holley 3:5 8:15 holley.l.claiborn 3:8 81:16,21 82:1,10　home 72:16 73:2 82:19,23 83:7　204:15 84:15 85:1,13,19　honest 50:8,12,17 85:23 86:8 87:19　61:22 132:10 88:18 89:5,13　honestly 26:13 90:16 91:2,14　191:15 92:10 93:14 94:16　hong 18:16,18,20 95:7 97:22 98:4　18:21,25 21:5 98:24 99:13 100:8　22:6,8 23:11,12,20 100:12,24 101:4　23:22 24:3,7,8,12 101:12 102:17　24:13,21,23 25:1,3 103:13 104:5,9,14　25:3,3,6,7,16,19 104:21 105:5,15　27:10,15,16 30:5 105:24 106:6,15　31:23 32:1,3,4 106:23,24 107:8　44:15,18 45:7,17 108:22 110:25　45:22 111:13 115:3,6　hope 55:14 146:1 118:6 119:10,20　hopefully 44:7 119:22 121:3,23　107:6 205:22 121:25 122:6,21　hopelessly 165:19 136:18 139:13,18　hopes 118:25 hoping 195:3,7 hotel 27:12 102:2 102:4,7,8 house 3:11 72:12 72:14 201:21 202:2 housekeeping 10:21 hr 87:9,11 155:1,9 155:16,23 153:22 166:20 77:1,4 81:4,9,15 169:11,12 188:12 192:15 195:3,8 43:18 37:24 38:24 92:24 94:1 90:23 191:20 36:22 212:11 125:13 150:12 107:8 194:7 154:9 152:8,14 153:19 154:4,6,9 86:8,11,17 140:14,21 149:21 87:8,12 91:17 151:7,14 172:19 151:25 169:2,23 176:23 177:6,16 177:19 178:8,15 152:25 178:17 186:1 187:7,10 189:1,16 170:6 189:20 191:6,9,16 192:13 193:20 15:1 195:11 196:2 114:18 115:5 199:19 200:4,24 201:1,6,24 204:20 [huh - investment] huh 54:2 101:2　118:9,10 151:12　instruction 45:8　interpreter 3:17 137:19 155:16　153:5 157:5,6　58:21 68:10,24　3:18 8:24 9:4,6,9 hull 1:25 7:19　170:14 179:6　69:10 89:14,22　9:14 10:2,4,5,7,9 212:5 213:4　income 118:17,18　91:18 94:9 96:2,9　10:10,11 11:8 humble 48:14　118:20 119:2　96:16,19,24 98:16　31:12 40:20,21 49:24 50:7,21　123:14,18,21　98:18 106:2 108:2　52:5,21,22 53:1,4 hundred 4:17　124:9　125:2 130:24　53:6,14,17 54:7,10 105:22 120:17　incorporation 5:5　133:6　54:11,25 55:6 hundreds 82:15　168:4,9　integrity 127:1　59:18 81:1 131:12 hurt 129:19　indicated 188:4　128:22　131:13,14,15,16 174:23　indicates 57:21　intend 15:6　133:11 143:13,18 hurted 175:7　individually 121:7　intended 146:1　143:22,23 144:8 husband 201:25　inference 94:14　intending 158:23　144:12,13 146:5 i　influence 13:13　interact 80:5　147:1,9,24,25 inform 23:18　interacted 74:23　153:22 154:5 identification 19:8　information 16:20　79:6,14,19 80:10　200:18 201:3,4,14 28:18 43:6 55:11　36:19 51:4 60:1　interacting 80:17　interpreters 8:19 128:10 166:24　61:23 62:4,10　80:21　interprets 40:20 209:18　64:2 130:8 156:8　interaction 80:3　52:20 59:18 identifying 156:13　156:14　interest 146:11　131:12 identity 127:5　informed 87:11　186:22,24 187:3,7　interrupt 30:15 128:9 150:10　informs 26:10　187:11,13 189:16　75:19 150:12 153:18 154:2　inhouse 16:13　interested 47:18　interrupting 76:18 ii 2:11　155:25　128:10 145:6,8　interview 152:12 immediate 85:6　inoperative 166:7　212:22　152:15 154:6,15 immediately　168:16 169:4,17　interesting 151:4　154:15 152:18,25 186:10　169:19,25 171:14　interests 51:25　interviews 118:10 impair 13:14　172:23 173:2,13　52:16 54:21 58:8　invade 146:1 important 11:21 impression 75:12　input 180:8　58:16 68:2,6,20　invest 120:25 inauthentic 170:8　inquire 116:7　87:19 88:18 90:16　175:25 include 24:4 85:18　insisting 76:11　91:3,14 95:7　invested 176:5 89:15 111:3,6　instruct 20:11　interfere 13:15　investing 118:2 125:3 157:8,12　26:15 37:2,14　internal 102:11　investment 114:11 164:5　38:3 42:9 66:5,6　interpret 8:24 9:1　115:20 117:20,25 included 119:19　66:14 67:15　9:9,11 183:22　118:23 123:16,22 116:14 126:23　201:15　123:23 124:6 214:14 215:3 includes 119:10　instructed 6:1　interpreted 9:2,12　174:15,24 175:3,9 including 48:9　95:24 141:21　143:22 144:12　175:22 176:3 84:8,12 89:14　instructing 42:16　147:9,25 154:5　179:24 181:3,4,21 91:20 92:18,19,21　67:9 129:9　188:6 201:3　183:15,19 95:25 99:4 115:19 [investments - kong] investments　154:14 174:19　know 12:12 14:22　154:8,12,14 118:25　196:12 214:5　21:13,16 22:25　155:11 159:9,15 invests 118:24　216:2　28:1 31:6 32:21　160:13 161:1,2 invoice 148:7,15　johnston 3:17 8:23　33:3 38:11,15,16　162:19 163:1,4,15 148:16　10:6 11:15 12:15　39:11 41:23 48:24　163:16,23 165:4 involved 99:12　52:11 54:3 55:5　49:14 50:3 54:10　170:12,18,18,21 124:20 133:2,5,10　59:15 98:11 131:8　55:1 56:18 59:9　170:23 172:20,25 134:20,24 135:15　133:12 143:17　59:10,12,13,17　173:4,10,10,12,14 135:16 143:24　144:10 147:5　60:7,9,10,19 61:4　175:12 180:15 144:14 152:7,24　153:25 200:23　61:7,21 63:7,14,20　185:18 187:15 164:7 179:20　jonathan 3:10 8:4　64:6 70:2 73:21　191:3 192:9 193:5 180:20 183:12　judge 127:13　74:11,22 75:9　193:11,12 194:6 191:4,20 192:4,12　158:8　76:13 77:19,25　194:22,23 195:9 196:4　judgment 23:19　78:4,11,14,16,17　197:5,15,17 involves 197:3　127:11,12,14　78:18 80:13 82:14　198:21 199:3,22 involving 13:24　jumping 154:13　84:20 86:19 95:10　199:24 200:1 178:25 179:9　justice 3:4　100:10,12,23　201:10 203:6 184:3　k　102:1,20 103:12　204:1,14,23,25 issue 41:20 127:10　k 38:14,14 39:13　103:22 105:3　205:2,7,8 207:6,7 127:12,13,14　39:13,14,14　107:9 108:15,15　208:23 132:20 142:22　148:25　108:17,18,24,25　knowledge 46:15 149:8,11 153:12　kaplan 3:10 8:4,4　109:1 110:6,9,19　46:17 47:14,15,22 156:10 164:21　19:18　110:22 111:11,13　49:8,10,13,20,25 183:12　kaulet 2:9　111:14 112:6,23　50:19,23 51:10,18 issues 124:20　keep 57:13 130:9　113:3,25 114:6　60:2 62:9 64:3 128:25 157:20　132:17 151:20　115:11,13 116:25　104:21 105:2 item 108:7　kenneth 2:5 8:7　117:1,5,9 120:7　121:25 122:4,5,11 j　kern 211:2 212:2　122:15 124:3,3,8　133:18,24 143:25 jail 84:6,11 86:2,3　kidnap 47:11　125:17 128:15,19　150:1 160:22 jalbert 193:11,14　kidnapped 48:11　130:7 131:23　172:18 188:21 jam 1:8 7:14　84:11 86:2　132:1,9,11 133:3,9　206:24 207:4,10 jeff 7:17 112:7　kids 121:20　133:11,15 134:1,1　known 175:18 jeffrey 3:16　kind 49:9 73:23　134:14 135:5,6　knows 53:10,12 jerking 57:13　96:5 122:23 138:8　136:12 141:16,17　136:6 173:24 jerry 170:17,18,24　146:15 151:15　141:24 142:1　kong 18:16,18,20 171:18 172:9,9　163:22 195:21　143:2,10,20　18:21,25 21:5 jkaplan 3:13　203:11 206:17　144:15 145:18　22:6,8 23:11,12,20 job 34:15 65:21　kinds 141:18　146:10,13,24　23:22 24:3,7,8,12 66:1 93:5 149:9　knew 53:11 75:11　147:7,12,14,17,21　24:13,21,23 25:1,3 149:17 151:11,13　136:5　150:19,21 151:20　25:3,3,6,7,16,19 151:21 154:12,13　152:17 153:1,2,14　27:10,15,16 30:5 [kong - line] 31:23 32:1,3,4　189:20 191:6,9,16　lawyer 126:17　likes 197:6 44:15,18 45:7,17　191:21 192:4　132:5 150:18　limit 138:4,8 45:22　193:20 194:1　172:1　limited 2:22 4:21 korean 35:10　195:1,11 196:2　lawyers 17:20,20　5:12 17:4 18:9,11 kwok 1:8 2:5 7:11　197:20 198:20　18:6 62:24 155:25　18:17 43:25 46:1 8:8 37:25 38:11　199:19 200:4,24　208:2　47:21 51:24 52:14 38:14 39:6 40:6　201:1,24 204:21　learn 48:17 142:24　54:20 58:7 59:21 41:16,24 42:4　205:11 206:1,14　191:1　90:18 91:16,24 45:18,22 52:1,16　206:19 214:4　learned 114:2,14　92:9 93:6 95:4 52:16,22,22 53:5,7　216:1　114:25 134:4　98:3,23 99:12 53:9,13,21 54:22　kwok's 39:18 42:1　140:12 146:15　103:10 104:13 58:9,16 66:7 68:2　74:15 76:22 87:19　162:10,23 163:7　110:18,20 111:12 68:6,11,19 70:16　88:17 90:16 91:2　163:10 171:13　113:21 114:23 72:3,9,17 74:11　97:3,22,22 98:4　176:9,12　115:8,12 117:6,10 75:11,13,25 76:25　100:12,24 103:13　lease 208:11,19　118:8,14 119:5 77:1,4 81:4,9,15　104:5,9,14 110:25　leased 111:6,12　120:12 121:4,16 81:16,21 82:1,10　177:16 192:8,13　leaving 25:2 127:5　122:2,8,14 124:11 82:19,23 83:7　201:6 204:20　175:2 193:17　127:7,18 128:12 84:15 85:1,10,10　206:9　left 30:3 31:8 67:8　131:10 133:16 85:13,19,23 86:8　kwong 75:9　legal 7:18,20 52:2　134:20 137:11 88:18 89:5,5,13　l　59:22,25 60:12,14　148:18 156:7 91:14 92:10 93:14　l 3:5,6 38:14,23　61:13,21 107:2,5　157:3 158:18 94:16 95:7,12　170:17 171:25　182:18 209:11　160:22 163:22 98:24 99:13 100:8　l.p. 2:12 9:21　214:7　165:22 166:15 101:4,12 102:17　l.p.'s 5:10　lender 42:3 131:25　168:10 169:25 103:3 104:21　laid 164:15　132:6 146:16　172:10 175:14 105:5,15,24 106:6　language 30:1　lenders 139:1　177:15 180:6 106:15,23,24　39:23 50:2 62:25　letter 153:9,13　186:10 192:3 107:8,25 108:12　63:25 64:1 68:4,8　license 51:21　193:19 195:5,7 108:22 109:7　79:19 85:2,4　licensed 51:14　206:14 111:13 115:3,6　89:21 93:16,17　life 61:5,8 195:25　limited's 119:18 118:6 119:10,20　148:2　197:3　123:14 126:22 119:22 121:3,23　late 28:11　lifestyle 68:12　130:12 121:25 122:6,21　launched 175:18　96:1 97:3,22 98:5　limo 108:17 136:18 139:13,18　law 2:6,12,16,22　98:24 99:9 100:12　limousine 108:13 140:14,21,23　3:5,11 15:14,24　107:13 192:14　108:15 149:21 151:7,14　17:23,25 60:25　193:20,23 194:3　line 6:3,4,5,6,7,8,9 172:19 176:23　84:10 114:3 124:8　194:15 196:6　6:10,11 22:4 23:9 177:6,19 178:8,15　laws 168:21　lifetime 59:1　29:7 33:8 35:8 178:17 186:1　lawsuit 174:22　light 127:2 128:23　74:10 84:2,2 85:9 187:7,10 189:1,16　130:16 185:9　88:13 214:15 132:4,6,13,13 [line - marked] 215:4 216:4,7,10　132:4,6,13,13　locked 214:12　m 216:13,16,19　133:1,2,4,6,16,19 215:1　m 2:15 38:14,23 lines 37:3　133:20 134:5,7,8　long 80:24 81:8,14 171:25 liquid 127:6,17　136:18,23 137:4　84:1,13 85:19,22　ma'am 20:24 128:6　137:18 138:3,19　85:24 86:4,6 87:3　21:15 54:4 56:5 list 37:6　139:2,5,14 140:13　96:3,11,12 97:2,4　57:16 71:5 83:23 listen 65:14　140:21 142:21,23　97:6 98:18 103:18　88:3 91:8 98:1,9 160:20　144:6,11,15,18　115:25 116:7,17　145:5 146:22 litigation 13:23　145:9,17,22 146:8　117:5,5 145:1,3　169:7 190:15 14:6 37:13 38:8　146:10,14,21,25　164:11 165:3　maintained 130:16 136:1,16　147:2,8,19 158:19　207:2　170:25 136:23 170:7　158:20 159:2,6,14　longer 96:15　maintaining 176:19,24 177:8　159:16 160:25　look 23:9 33:7　126:25 177:16 178:16　162:11,13,24　35:2,8 46:25 55:9　major 79:17 180:10 182:20　163:11,15 176:17　88:13 122:22　123:20 184:9 186:13,21　177:3 180:7　168:11　majority 78:19 187:17 188:25　185:12,14 186:4　looking 29:7 49:10　majorly 78:19 191:17 206:2　186:12 188:5,9　50:4,5 51:5 60:7,8　makenzie 3:19 207:18　189:4,8,10,12,15　60:9 62:6 74:5　8:11 little 19:13 22:13　189:22,23 190:17　89:18 136:11　making 97:21 23:2,6 30:25　191:10 206:6　165:8 205:1　135:11 165:10 32:25 37:8 44:7　207:13　looks 19:19 31:13　man's 101:5 44:11 66:17 74:5　loaned 177:7　85:4 149:2 197:25　manage 155:7 112:21 149:3　loans 176:18,22　loose 112:21　165:22 152:6 162:14　177:11,12,15,22　loss 130:2,3,12　mandarin 3:17,18 195:4 205:23　177:25 178:4,8,16　lot 84:7 92:21　8:25,25 9:10,10 live 40:17 72:16　184:10,13,16　116:13 117:14　10:4,10 11:13,14 115:22 202:1　186:13,21,21,22　lots 48:17　53:4,5 54:13 204:15 206:25　187:4,8,11,14,17　loud 174:10　manhattan 194:8 lived 42:4 72:4,20　187:21,25 188:5,8　loudspeakers　195:12 196:3 115:25 116:18　188:9,25 189:3,9　174:10　199:4,5 lives 115:24　189:19 190:12,17　love 65:15 94:23　manning's 127:13 199:18 201:20　191:2,5,17 206:2,4　lowey 193:5,7　march 5:7,15 living 37:25 40:8　207:17　loyalty 154:11　18:13,14 134:15 40:11,14,24 41:16　located 27:9,11,18　luck 114:20,24　166:7 168:8,15 113:4 202:1　185:12　115:4,11　mark 19:6 loan 37:11 42:3,13　location 26:22　lump 208:15　marked 19:8,15 66:13 94:21　42:12 72:2 124:24　lunch 112:3,22　20:16 28:18 43:6 125:15 129:1　158:4　luncheon 112:15　55:11 166:24 130:20 131:17,18　locations 116:11　209:18 131:22,23,25 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 260 [mary - mix] mary 171:25　120:21,22,24　93:13 94:3 95:9 75:25 76:25 matter 37:4 72:15　121:20 123:10,17　128:7,8 188:19 108:24 110:9 108:6 130:19　123:21 124:5,7　201:14 million 142:23 144:14 154:8,10　125:12 127:8,9　media 7:8 209:10 143:2,11,21,24 154:20　129:16,21 132:5　medication 12:19 144:3 146:10 matters 10:21　135:4,11 136:2　13:13　177:8 179:9,12,20 150:8 154:19　137:18 138:17　meet 15:19,21,22 179:21 180:21 178:25　139:24 141:25　15:23 16:2,5,21 181:8 182:11,13 maybach 108:13　142:5 144:21　18:5 80:8 139:19　183:12 184:3,9 108:18,23 109:7　146:21 148:11　142:18　186:4,13 187:17 109:10,19,21　149:24 151:14,17　meeting 141:15　187:21 188:24 110:7,21 111:12　152:14 155:7,8　member 84:8　206:1 208:19 111:18　158:1 161:25　119:22 120:17　millions 178:25 mean 14:7 15:22　164:12,16,16,20　121:17,23,24　miltenberger 18:2 15:22,23 17:24　164:22 174:23　122:22 205:11　mind 52:9 80:4 21:21 23:21 25:11　177:12,13,19　members 120:22　91:1 107:24 27:11,12,12,17,18　179:13,23 180:15　memory 13:14　194:23 27:23 28:1 30:1　180:24 182:12,18　36:20,22　mine 93:3 30:19 31:25 33:21　183:17 184:21　men's 101:8,11　miniature 21:17 34:6 36:4,7,10,14　188:1,3,9 189:4　mention 198:11　21:18,21 39:6 40:11,12,14　190:13 191:12　mentioned 34:8　minimal 208:20 43:20 46:8,9,16　195:14,17,20　38:17 99:8 110:1　minor 121:20 48:8,16,21 50:3,10　196:10,12,14　117:21 118:5　minute 168:2 50:21 53:6 56:4,9　199:3,5,21,21,24　134:9 162:16　minutes 17:9,9 58:24 59:10 60:8　200:20 201:20,25　171:16 182:6,8　62:22 66:20 79:24 60:23 62:18,19　202:24 203:2,6,15　184:5 190:16　80:8 85:21 97:13 70:6 71:14 72:10　204:15 206:3,5,11　208:4　135:16 172:15 72:11 73:1 80:6,8　206:21 208:11,11　mentioning 185:6　mischaracterize 81:23 82:8,11　meaning 70:9 77:9　mentions 66:6　161:7 85:25 86:18 88:22　82:23 85:18 86:5　merge 27:21　mischaracterizes 89:12,17,23 92:1　86:20 89:20 93:25　message 195:17　159:19 161:5 92:22 93:16,16　104:9 105:4　met 17:19 35:10　missing 164:21 96:1,4,5 97:5 98:6　121:10 125:1　35:19 40:13 74:17　mistaken 128:8 98:16 100:4,15,17　186:21　77:8,13 113:2,5,17　misunderstanding 101:14 102:4,11　means 58:17,20　140:15 145:8　200:16 102:16 103:20,22　59:13 78:15 88:13　146:4　misunderstood 105:12 108:9,14　89:25 91:3,21　methods 203:11 30:16 39:24 109:21 111:25　93:9,18 120:9　miles 85:10 143:14 200:12 114:16 116:13,19　134:2 135:5 142:3　mileson 37:25　mix 24:22 70:11 118:18 119:7　meant 49:14 55:1　38:11,23 39:6,8,18　80:2 120:7,13,14,15,16　68:5 71:10 87:19　74:11 75:9,11,13 [mixed - new] mixed 99:25　moved 22:6 23:11　151:17 163:1　30:4,4,11,18 31:2 100:22　23:22 27:21 28:4　173:18 185:6　31:14,22,23 32:1,2 mom 100:22　29:22　194:7,8,9 195:17　32:3,11,13,15 moment 12:10　multiple 20:9　196:4,12 197:11　33:13,19 34:1,4,7 15:24 17:19 19:9　murray 2:15　199:7 203:6　34:13,17,25 35:21 37:17 44:5 60:17　muted 167:10　204:18 206:3　36:2,24 37:21 69:1,3 87:14 99:8　174:11　needed 69:21 70:2　38:1,2 40:9,10,11 104:20 117:18　myers 2:11 7:24　78:21 79:21 80:9　40:14,17,18,23,24 119:17 120:11　8:12 209:13　89:21,25 139:19　41:2,4,7,16,18 121:12 140:12　mystery 194:24　139:21,23,24　42:2,6,21 43:25 151:22 156:25　n　140:7 196:7　44:21,25 46:1,6,14 171:3,12 179:14　n 4:1 17:5 30:8　201:21　47:21 49:5,19 190:16 193:22　38:14,22,23 39:9　needs 89:16 92:11　51:24 52:14 54:20 money 114:17,22　39:12,13,14 86:14　92:18 97:22 98:5　57:8 58:7 59:21 115:7,11 118:2,24　112:24 171:25　98:24 99:9 195:12　65:22 68:1 69:8 118:25 122:1,7,20　name 7:17 10:20　195:13 196:6　69:10,15 71:13,13 127:17 128:11,14　17:5,18,23,25 18:4　202:20 206:20　72:1,1,4,8 73:22 128:16,19,20　38:12,20,22,23,24　neglected 87:22　81:3,6 90:18 159:9,16 160:2,6　52:10 53:4,12,13　negotiated 187:3,6　91:16,17,19,24 160:14 161:23　53:19,24 54:12,13　negotiating 191:4　92:9,17 93:6 95:4 163:3,7,11 175:24　64:3 76:7,9,14　negotiation 133:2　97:2 98:3,23 176:4 178:11　134:11 147:15　133:5　99:11 103:10 180:13 208:5　150:19 170:16　neither 54:15　104:6,10,13,15,22 moneys 159:1,5　171:18 175:20　212:20　104:24 109:11,13 month 96:14,15　193:12,17 211:11　nephew 84:9　109:18 110:7,15 109:6 138:17　named 93:17　netherland 72:21　110:17,20,25 monthly 192:8,13　148:24 212:8　never 29:13 30:24　111:11,17 113:2 months 19:4 73:21　native 58:20 59:21　31:8,8,9 39:5,6　113:20,21 114:12 73:25 77:20,21,24　64:1 79:19 93:17　74:23 79:6 81:17　114:23 115:8,12 78:23 148:23　148:2　82:16 86:1,8　115:15 117:6,10 149:3,7 173:7,17　natural 96:5,7　104:21,24 173:4　118:3,8,14 119:5 morning 7:5,23　necessarily 116:13　178:11 180:11　119:18 120:12 8:1 10:3,19　necessary 211:9　198:22 204:7　121:4,16 122:2,8 181:11 185:1,1　214:14 215:3　new 1:19,19 2:7,7　122:14 123:14 mother 11:6 29:25　need 11:8 32:4　2:17,17,22 4:20　124:11 125:7 39:22 50:2　46:25 52:5 63:22　5:4,12 7:1,1,10　126:22 127:7,18 move 25:9,11　66:17 70:2 98:11　8:3 10:12 14:23　128:12 129:14 27:24 28:1,2 29:9　99:17 101:7,15　15:4 17:4 18:9,11　130:12 131:4,10 30:1 31:14 65:12　106:9,20 107:18　18:15,17 23:24　132:19,21,22,23 65:16 67:13 117:7　112:3 126:13　24:2,15,18 27:6　133:16 134:19 129:10　28:9 29:10,23　135:2,9 137:10 136:8,10 143:17 [new - okay] 140:25 148:12,18　noting 156:22　52:2,18 54:23　offer 81:24 92:2 150:3,6,20 156:1,7　november 4:24　65:11 71:16 90:2　111:16 120:9 156:18 157:3　number 7:13 10:6　92:13 94:17 95:18　154:22 158:18 160:22　19:7 20:7 22:13　103:23 116:1　offered 36:19 163:22 164:14　28:15,17 43:4,5,10　121:5 122:9 123:4　93:18,22 120:24 165:22 166:4,15　55:10 56:14 85:10　124:19 125:4　office 115:17 168:10 169:16,25　91:9 100:23 105:1　129:7,24 130:14　118:3 119:7 174:16 175:14　157:1 166:23　140:6 153:11　123:21 124:6 176:23 177:7,14　182:3 186:7　156:11 159:18　141:16,16,19,20 178:1 180:5 181:5　187:19 198:5　161:4 165:5,17　141:21,21 157:18 184:10,25 185:4　203:19,21 209:10　166:9 170:2　164:16,17,23 186:10,15 187:4　209:17 212:7　191:23 193:1　181:17 182:17 189:1 190:19　214:15 215:4　203:25　183:20 184:19,24 192:3,12 193:18　numbered 21:19　objections 12:21　185:3,4 190:4 194:2 195:5,7　numbers 22:3,20　13:1 158:8　208:12 214:11 199:23 201:10　22:22 32:24,25　obvious 101:6　officer 4:19 28:8 206:8,13 207:15　numerous 121:13　140:3 175:20　32:14 43:24 56:9 208:8 209:9　204:2,4　193:15　123:8 175:13 nice 110:4　nw 2:12 3:6　obviously 54:15　officers 37:9 nichols 3:16 7:17　o　65:15 86:1 93:20　148:17 niece 84:9　o 17:5 30:9 38:14　95:23 100:18　offices 140:25 nine 29:3,5　38:14,23,23,24　101:11 102:7　official 76:14 nods 176:14　39:9,12,13,13,14　106:9,20 107:18　officially 23:25 noise 171:6　39:14 112:24　109:2 117:15　24:17 40:22 nonpayment　116:22 147:16　127:21 129:16　170:13 168:17 172:23　148:25　137:6 140:2　oh 22:23 25:22 normal 102:12　o'clock 67:2 112:8　141:14 154:8　65:20 69:3 71:6,8 notary 57:20　174:1　170:24 171:19　86:23 96:3 109:20 notating 214:15　o'melveny 2:11　194:15 198:8　115:16 139:19 215:4　7:24 8:12 209:13　199:7,22　140:15 144:24 notations 207:16　oath 50:10 60:15　occasion 140:20　157:4 161:6 163:3 note 57:12 116:10　141:3 179:3　163:5 198:4 129:8 158:6　61:14 64:25　180:18　okay 9:25 10:24 192:22,25　object 20:10 26:22　occasions 105:24　11:6,17,19 12:1,6 noted 111:22　65:3 120:1 122:17　131:20 179:15　12:9,16,19 13:2,3 notes 189:7,22　125:24 126:23　occurred 136:24　13:10,21 14:21,24 207:20　128:21 150:7　october 4:14 13:23　15:11,16 18:5,22 notice 5:10 15:8　157:19 192:24　14:10,25 36:9　18:24 19:5,20 209:19　209:21　73:16 75:10 77:14　20:18,23 22:3,24 noticed 125:18　objection 16:11　78:11 79:13 96:17　23:8,16,18 24:9,20 160:23　26:1,20 38:3　171:9 173:8　25:9,21 27:20 41:19 44:19 45:3 Case 22-50073　Doc 440-26　Filed 05/25/22　Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37　Page 263 204:19 205:15,19 206:16,24 207:11 207:21,24 208:21 omm.com 2:14,19 once 13:23 69:22 69:25 83:3,5 105:20 109:7 ones 190:1,1,2 online 196:21 > 197:6 202:11,17 202:19 203:13,16 open 20:25 28:24 ooooo 210:9 opened 56:6 2:19 of 280 29:7,17 31:10,24 32:20,24 33:7 136:22 137:2,9,16 138:6,9,12,15 133:8 135:7 139:4,10 140:17 141:2,11,23 142:2 142:9,14 143:2 145:1 146:13 148:1,17,22 149:6 149:16,19 150:11 150:15,16,22 151:4 152:2,7,17 153:4 155:15,17 157:11,14 158:6 158:10,14 160:9 161:11,22 162:7 162:15 163:14,17 163:19 164:1,5,9 28:4,13,23 29:2,3 [okay - 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please] 33:7 35:4 46:23　parties 42:12　146:17 187:1　207:3,9 47:3,4,7 55:22　party 47:11 84:7　perfect 11:10　personally 41:2,6 56:16,21,22 57:1,4　212:21　perform 149:9　90:5 155:5,17,21 57:12,14,15,25　pass 36:11　performed 26:19　191:4,20 63:2 73:15 74:3,8　passed 49:2　26:19,23 95:12　personnel 15:19 83:18 84:1 88:8　patience 166:25　period 24:6 25:2　16:22 193:18 88:13 167:11,22　205:22 209:3　25:25 58:12　pertains 20:5 170:17 212:11　pax 13:24 14:4,10　134:23 156:3　phone 70:10 80:2 214:15 215:4　125:13 127:3　203:10 214:18　physical 26:22 216:4,7,10,13,16　128:24 129:15,16　215:7　157:20 216:19　129:18,19　perjury 211:12　physically 25:6 pages 4:15,18,22　pay 68:11 81:17　214:17 215:6　27:9,11,18 196:20 4:25 5:8,16 20:20　81:17 95:24 111:8　permanent 27:25　picked 35:24 21:17,18,21,25　120:23 145:19　permanently　picky 152:15 22:21,22 23:3　146:16,17,23　27:21,23　piece 60:14 74:5 88:8 214:14　148:12 177:8　permission 106:16　ping 1:17 4:13,23 214:17,17 215:3,6　194:2,7,8 206:4,6　107:10,25 142:16　9:18 56:17 211:4 215:6　206:14,15,22　persecuted 48:10　212:8 214:1,5 paid 97:23 98:5　paying 97:3,16　person 11:22　216:2 109:11 120:10　99:12 109:17　15:22 16:2 39:1,7　place 161:20 121:1 122:1　208:11,12　59:22 60:15 61:13　212:11 123:23 147:22　payment 99:18　70:10,22,24 74:18　places 27:19 151:14 186:23　pays 81:17 109:13　77:10,14 79:17　plainly 66:4,4 202:5,7　109:13 110:25　80:2,14 84:24　170:9 pair 196:8　195:1,5　86:11 87:8 110:3　plan 117:16,19 pangu 86:14,14,16　pd 20:19　113:1 119:12　118:22 119:14 86:24　pdf 20:19 28:23　139:7 147:17　124:5 183:18 paperwork 60:12　172:8 214:12　150:23 151:1　planned 119:3 60:14 61:22,23　215:1　152:8,17,23,25　planning 115:18 164:21 170:21　pearl 2:22　153:20 154:4　plans 26:14 27:4 paragraph 168:2　penalty 211:12　155:18,21 157:12　playing 153:14 168:11　214:16 215:5　160:21 192:23　please 7:21 8:18 parents 100:16　pending 126:20　206:11　8:21 9:6,15 10:1,8 part 36:19 80:13　130:16　person's 38:20　11:14 12:2,11 93:7 101:22　people 34:12　155:6 193:17　13:6 20:4,25 26:2 102:11 119:2　85:17 120:18　personal 65:15　28:23 32:25 38:12 121:3,8 124:22　121:14,18 152:12　90:9 92:11 133:18　39:17 40:19 41:21 160:19,19 206:12　152:14 154:7,18　133:23 143:25　44:5,20 54:5,8 particular 63:13　157:15,17 202:24　149:8,11 150:9　55:19 56:21 57:14 111:18 165:7　percent 18:18　156:13 191:24　59:15 66:19 67:15 180:3　65:22 146:11,16　197:3 206:24　70:13 83:13,18 [please - providing] 87:24 88:7 97:25　prefer 12:13 39:21　pretty 45:15 66:11　50:19,22 51:10,18 98:12 99:15　53:19　101:6 152:14　146:17 154:19 103:24 119:24　preference 12:22　203:19　profile 201:12 120:4 125:4 140:8　prep 162:12 163:1　prevailed 179:4　profit 118:15,19 143:18 144:9,10　preparation 16:3　183:11 184:4　118:23 119:14 151:22 152:20　prepare 15:11,12　previous 153:5　129:13,21,22 163:17 167:11　15:20 16:10,23　154:7,12,20,25　profits 14:19,19 187:23 193:16　17:2,11,15,20 18:6　156:20　project 118:9,21 200:14 205:20　192:12　previously 156:9　174:25 175:3,9,9 207:15,25　prepared 15:14　prior 20:8 24:20　179:25 181:4 plus 154:11　44:3 61:5 62:24　44:25 153:17,18　182:6,12 183:15 podhaskie 148:24　preparing 15:25　155:6　184:5 149:2,17,20 150:1　prepped 144:24　private 164:17　projects 118:4,7 point 24:14 26:16　145:20　privilege 146:1　118:23,23 174:21 32:6 37:1 44:20　present 3:19 42:12　privileged 16:20　181:3,8 87:22 124:23　158:10 171:17　probably 148:7　promise 196:22 129:4 180:19　186:2　192:17 195:23　promptly 207:15 183:11 189:14　presents 158:4　problem 12:14　pronounce 17:23 208:24　president 42:22,25　32:2,7 40:1 54:9　17:24 39:23 54:12 pointed 131:21　45:24 46:12 47:20　62:21 112:5 126:2　proper 125:20 populated 43:7　49:4 51:24 52:14　153:24 166:15　165:24 portion 186:13　54:19 58:6 65:21　173:5,6　properly 164:11 position 131:18　67:25 68:16,18,23　procedure 5:14　164:12 152:13 156:17　90:17 91:15,23　214:19,20　property 183:15 158:2,3　92:9,16 93:5 95:6　proceed 10:15　prospective positions 46:3　97:19 98:2,22　11:11 20:3,13　122:23 174:25 50:24　99:11 104:12　21:4 174:14　175:2 possession 131:4　105:7 110:18　proceeding 11:4　protonmail.com 131:10 132:15,19　134:18 136:4　14:17 156:20　214:2 possibility 102:19　137:9 141:24　196:6　proud 50:8 possible 36:13　142:5,9 148:24　proceedings 9:1　provide 13:19 37:24 41:15 96:22　151:10 152:11　9:11　134:21 135:2,9 139:16 191:12　155:8 159:12　proceeds 129:2　provided 114:17 194:5 204:13　164:6 165:11,15　process 99:17　136:17 156:9 potential 179:24　166:3 174:17,18　101:22 106:13　214:19 215:8 power 165:15　175:5 178:3,22　154:25　provider 154:3 powers 165:10　180:5 181:16　produce 186:10　provides 60:15 precise 14:2 70:6　195:6,20　207:15　61:14 104:4 158:25　pressing 30:25　professional 46:14　providing 99:12 186:7　pretend 101:25　46:16 47:14,15,22　169:11 197:22　49:8,9,13,20,25 Case 22-50073 Doc 440-26 Filed 05/25/22 Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37 Page 266 of 280 70:10 75:22 76:9 76:12,25 77:9,13 77:17,22 78:12 question 11:12,12 12:3,5,11,13 14:12 16:16,19,21 20:4 79:14,17 80:17,21 81:4,7,10,13,19 86:21 89:14 90:19 92:3 94:9 95:23　30:20 31:1,12,13　165:2,18 166:2 96:9 97:14 98:15　31:16 32:9,12　169:5,9,13,21 99:4 100:15　33:10,11 34:11　170:10,11 173:9 104:17 106:2,10　35:12,13,19 36:21　174:13 177:9,13 106:21 107:14,16　37:20 40:8,16,20　179:18 180:18 107:19,24 109:23　41:22 42:4,10　183:14 188:20 110:10 113:10,12　43:21 45:4,6,20　191:14,25 195:20 113:23 114:14　47:6,18,19 48:6　199:25 200:1,23 115:2,17,17,22　49:2,3,7,15,17　201:3 202:8 204:4 116:6,18 117:7,13　50:18,20 51:7,22　204:6 206:16 134:6,22 135:1,8　52:6,9,13,19,20,25　207:23 208:1,17 135:18 136:2,3　54:4,8,18 56:25　questions 6:1 137:4,13 138:21　59:14,18,20 62:12　13:15 26:16,18,25 139:11 142:15　63:6,15,18,22　27:7 37:3,7 63:1,8 143:1,4 144:2　64:16 66:6,15　63:16 67:10 87:17 147:18 148:3,5,10　67:9,16,24 68:15　128:4 129:1 148:19 157:8　71:11,22 74:9,9,11　130:17 153:15 159:3,7,10,22　74:14,15,17,20,23　180:17 205:24 161:2 163:12　75:8,9 76:20,22,24　208:22,25 209:4 164:18 165:21　77:7,8,16,17 78:5　quick 166:20 170:18 172:7,12　78:9,10,13 79:5,6　quite 31:15 134:23 175:12,17 177:18　79:9,12 80:9,19　170:5 199:5 178:2,6,15,20,23　81:13 82:16 84:24　quote 162:5,5 179:16 180:7,20　85:20 88:14,15,22　r 182:19 183:1,5　90:22 96:8,11　r 116:22 147:15,16 187:5 189:20　97:25 98:7,25　216:3,3 191:3,8 194:16,16　102:15 103:25　r&s 215:1,9 195:24,25 199:4,8　109:10 116:17　raise 8:20 9:5,15 199:11,12,15,17　119:21 121:2,6　raised 90:23 199:22 200:8　122:10 123:13　range 104:5 108:8 201:7,12 206:11　125:3,19,21　rate 186:24 187:3 206:21　126:20,24 128:5　187:7,11,13 quality 154:9　130:4 131:6,12 21:4,9 22:5,6 23:10,16 26:22 27:3 29:7,9 30:16 144:12 145:3,25 147:9,25 150:8 153:21 154:5,20 155:11 156:25 158:25 159:20 161:12 162:21 [public's - read] public's 57:20 pull 192:14 201:23 pullcom.com 3:13 pulled 32:21 pullman 3:10 8:5 purchase 105:2,6 105:11,15,18,25 106:6,23 107:15 197:9 198:8,25 199:8 200:4,9,25 201:1,7,11,24,25 202:18 203:11 204:17,18 purchased 100:25 101:4 110:10 181:13 198:9 199:9 201:22 purchases 203:8 purpose 38:7 115:15 116:5 118:1 164:25 purposely 75:23 164:22 212:18 put 21:4 29:8 44:10 84:6,11 126:10,13 166:19 175:19 209:23,23 putative 42:3 q qiang 17:4 24:24 30:8 31:25 32:5 34:14 38:21 39:12 39:21 40:3,8,17,24 41:6 45:9 46:2 48:9 53:20 55:3 68:10,24 69:10,18 purposes 18:19 109:5 117:11 156:21 158:10 pursuant 5:12 189:16 read 21:8 23:18 47:17 48:1 61:16 132:25 133:8,9 140:4 143:15,22 quarrel 96:6 [read - relitigate] 64:14 66:1 68:4　recall 13:25 14:15　recess 66:24　reframe 80:19 75:1 84:3,17,19　14:16 19:2 25:22　112:15 126:1,6　refresh 21:3 35:25 93:4 144:18 145:9　25:23 32:18 33:25　174:5　36:20,22 169:1 146:8 157:23　34:23,24 35:1　recited 95:3 96:10　refreshes 169:14 168:24 170:14　40:23 41:5,10,12　recognize 43:16　refused 106:5 171:17 203:4,7,14　44:3,4,16 45:12,13　recognized 43:22　178:17,20,22 203:15 205:14,17　45:16,23 59:2,4,6　recollect 14:2　regard 74:24 211:5　59:8 60:22,22　recollection 21:3　79:14 80:10 reading 13:4,9　61:2,9 64:19,20,22　35:25 64:17 151:5　regarding 30:6 31:14 36:22 37:18　65:5,7,8 67:8 68:5　151:6 169:2,14　51:4 180:25 39:17 85:2,4　69:20,23,24 70:1　187:18　regards 79:7 146:15 214:23　70:18 71:1,6 73:9　reconvening 112:7　141:4 215:9　80:24 82:7,9,11,12　record 7:6,22　regiment 195:24 reads 22:5 33:10　82:17,18,21 83:2,8　29:18,19 66:11,22　register 4:19 real 47:15 51:9,13　87:10,11,17 90:13　67:1 112:13,17　43:24 56:10 51:17 86:5 114:10　96:3,13,18,21,23　116:10 126:4,8,11　regular 151:15,16 115:20 117:21,24　97:1,5,5,9,11,16　126:14 157:23　201:8 117:24 118:9,11　97:17 100:9 103:8　158:6 165:18　regularly 150:25 166:20 180:4　104:7,8,11,18　166:10 170:25,25　reject 106:10,11 181:4 182:6　105:12,16,19,23　174:3,7 192:23　194:17,19 183:15,19 184:4　106:9,25 110:23　200:22 209:5　rejection 178:23 194:24　115:5,10 117:8　recorded 7:8 86:1　related 39:8,10 really 26:6 65:12　127:25 134:11,12　189:8 190:12,13　80:22 114:10 80:14 97:1 103:12　134:13 139:15,17　190:18,21　118:11 130:7 121:10 142:1　140:19,20 141:2　recorder 85:3　146:18 194:3 195:1 197:19　145:23,24 147:10　records 23:25　212:21 200:2,2　147:12,13 149:18　189:11 207:16　relates 26:3 realtor 51:13,14　149:19,23,24　recruitment　relationship 18:16 reason 13:18,20　166:11,13,16　152:11　42:2 45:1 129:20 24:25 39:22 50:17　169:10 171:11,21　refer 18:20 22:20　175:7 53:9 75:14 76:11　171:23,24 172:1　30:7 38:21 39:17　relatively 36:8 84:12 87:21 97:15　178:10 186:3,6　52:10 53:20 84:25　relatives 85:16 119:21 125:12　187:9,12 191:11　reference 44:25　released 214:21 153:7 154:21　191:13,19 193:10　155:2,18　relevance 38:5 172:22 173:12,14　194:5,12 206:10　referenced 214:6　41:22 42:6,11 175:20 181:15　recap 188:23　referred 24:25　116:2 195:12 216:6,9,12　receipts 99:22　207:17　relevancy 129:5 216:15,18,21　receive 100:1,8　referring 22:4　relevant 65:18 reasons 71:17　148:6,15,16　38:16 39:1 85:5　66:4,4 125:17 172:25　received 100:5　90:3,4　relitigate 38:7 173:1 [rely - right] rely 54:15　replaced 148:23　requested 46:5,10　revert 24:4,5 remain 165:9　149:6　90:19 92:3 100:15　review 15:6,10,16 remained 174:11　replied 32:12　104:17 134:8　15:18 99:16 remember 14:1　33:20 183:14　173:21 177:11,12　100:11 101:21,24 18:3 28:12 30:20　185:20 188:20　177:14,17 178:5　195:10 196:10 35:9 36:7,11,15　reply 123:18 169:6　192:14 201:23　199:1 200:6,10 37:19 61:18 63:15　195:19　212:19 215:1,9,10　201:5 212:19 63:20 79:25 85:25　report 101:15　requesting 92:18　214:8,10,13 215:2 98:17 105:14　106:10 107:16　119:13 190:7　revival 5:6 166:13 109:20 138:17,22　151:19 168:18　requests 131:3　166:14 167:16 155:1 166:20　172:24 194:16　194:1,11,12　168:19 173:8 169:9 171:10　reported 1:25　require 107:23　rewinding 87:13 176:15,19 186:25　reporter 7:19 8:18　reserve 20:10　rhythm 151:20 187:1,2,15 191:15　8:20 9:5,15,25　158:7　right 8:20 9:5,15 192:17,18 196:13　10:7,13 11:22　reserved 13:1　18:13 20:10 21:14 remind 162:3　76:18 210:2,5　reside 71:13,15　21:15 22:16 23:1 166:17　212:6　72:2,5,8 73:1　23:6 24:16 30:3 reminded 36:13　reports 192:9,13　resided 72:24　31:13 33:24 36:13 159:14　represent 7:25　residence 71:18　36:15,18 39:15 reminding 67:22　14:9 172:11,19　206:9,25　40:6,7 42:24 reminds 71:10　representation　resolved 149:11　48:15,17 51:4,14 remote 1:14　25:4　respect 129:3　53:2,23,25 54:1 remotely 11:21　representative　156:14,20 182:24　56:1,4,18 57:1,15 146:1　1:16 9:19 15:3　182:24 190:11　59:23 60:25 61:7 render 211:9　44:24 90:9　201:6　61:15,24 62:20 rent 161:20　represented　respected 165:16　64:5 65:18 66:7 206:21　156:18 172:7　response 47:5　69:4,15 73:20 rented 111:12　representing 8:3,5　rest 151:13　75:20 76:3,7,12 reopen 158:24　8:8,10,12　restroom 66:18　79:12,23 82:13 repaid 158:18,21　represents 26:8　result 181:23　88:2 89:5,16 91:6 163:15 184:11　172:9　212:22　91:25 92:11,20 repay 206:1　request 45:11　retained 138:25　94:4,6,10,21 98:8 repeat 16:16 49:23　58:23 99:5 106:5　147:18 209:11　98:19 101:6,15 52:18 54:3,8　111:22 131:9　return 25:25　102:4,17 103:10 92:15 97:25 131:8　132:18,23 133:3　214:17 215:6　106:19 108:1,20 143:17 147:4　133:15,20 134:4　returned 149:12　110:8 111:1,23 152:20　134:14 156:21　returning 123:13　116:24 117:9 repeated 156:19　186:9,9,16 192:16　returns 123:15　119:16 121:21 rephrase 12:12　195:22 207:12,12　revenue 118:20　124:6 125:15 191:25　207:14　123:23 124:7,7　127:11,22 128:2 129:16 130:13 [right - see] 131:17 132:5　52:2,18 54:23　s　170:4 186:9 190:6 135:24 136:20　65:11,18 66:10　s 2:5 4:9 5:4 18:15　192:23 196:22 137:2 141:6,25　67:14 71:16,23　34:1 38:14,23　207:1,12 142:7 145:11　90:2,12,22 92:13　81:6 115:15 125:7　screen 172:22 148:13,22,25　94:17 95:18　147:15,16 148:25　209:24 149:4,13,14,15　103:23 111:15,20　171:25 185:4　scroll 88:7 151:18 154:9,16　111:22 112:10　216:3　seat 116:13 155:10 158:7　116:1,10 119:24　safe 108:25 141:8　second 19:11,19 159:17 160:19　121:5 122:9,17　safety 125:12　19:25 20:1 50:7 162:2,18 163:3　123:4 124:19　153:7 196:1　55:3 70:13 84:5 167:10,22 171:16　125:24 126:12,18　saks 197:21　119:25 151:23 172:2 173:16　126:23 128:3,21　198:16,19　166:18 176:22 177:2,20 179:16　129:11,24 130:14　sarnoff 2:15 8:13　188:21 207:25 179:17 181:9,17　131:1 140:6,8　8:13　seconds 132:8 181:19,25 183:2,3　143:12 150:7,16　saved 44:7 205:23　138:20 163:17 183:18,21 189:17　153:11,14 156:8　saw 23:15 50:18　205:20 190:19 194:20　157:19 158:12　140:23 145:16,21　secret 132:17 197:13,14 198:12　159:18 161:4,8　199:6　secretary 42:23,25 200:10 202:20　165:5,17 166:9　saying 54:13 65:25　45:25 46:13 47:20 203:16 204:15　170:2,11 186:16　92:12 94:13 95:1　49:4 97:20 98:2 207:20 208:21　187:23 188:13　says 20:1,19 51:8　110:19 134:18 209:2 210:1　190:8 191:23　56:13,17 58:5　142:6 166:4 rights 127:2　193:3 203:25　84:5 89:9 107:8　secured 3:10 risk 158:4 175:20　204:2 207:7,20,22　167:23,23,24　108:25 role 46:12 68:14　209:21,23 210:2,4　168:2,12 172:22　securities 198:6 68:16,22 70:17　210:6　197:24　security 71:16 74:20 77:18,23　rosen's 17:22　schedule 214:10　124:19 150:9 78:1,12,15 79:2,3　rough 210:5　schedules 191:21　157:20,23 158:4 90:15 97:19,21　rudnick 2:4 8:7,10　192:5　185:9 195:23 98:4,6,21 180:15　18:6　scheme 124:23　196:2 180:17　rule 5:13 212:18　scope 20:12 41:25　see 19:15 20:15,18 roles 47:19 142:15　rules 5:14 164:5　65:22 130:18　20:19 21:18 22:1 149:3　164:14 215:8　scott 2:21 8:2　22:11 23:10,13 room 3:6　run 46:6 195:15　12:24 13:5 17:22　26:13 28:20 29:15 rosen 2:21 8:1,2　running 79:17,20　17:25 42:16 65:2　32:1 36:20 41:2 12:20,25 13:3,7　80:14 97:14　65:14 67:7 71:22　42:11 57:6,10,20 16:11 17:25 19:21　russo 3:19 8:11,11　73:4 87:2 90:6　57:23 58:13 71:7 19:23 20:3,10　19:14　125:1 126:10,18　76:5 83:10 88:14 26:1,13,25 37:1　130:25 145:25　89:1 114:21 38:3 41:19 42:9　150:12 156:16　122:20 136:7 42:17 44:19 45:3　157:25 161:6　148:7 149:10 [see - sort] 167:15 168:6　seven 5:15 35:8　185:23,24 186:2　185:3,7 195:23 196:13 197:7　46:23 47:8　188:10,11 189:15　199:25 200:13 198:3,6,7 204:16　seventh 85:11　189:16　208:17 205:6　shea 2:21 8:2　signing 12:21 13:4　sister 84:10 seeing 169:13　sherry 72:21　13:8 64:12,24　sit 19:10 seen 41:6 145:23　shoes 196:8,14　171:10　six 47:1,3,4 73:21 184:15　198:19 201:7　silverberg 2:5 8:9　73:25 77:20,24 sees 197:21 201:2　shop 196:21 197:6　8:9　78:22 88:8,14 send 141:4 154:22　199:7 201:9,9　similarly 50:10　173:7,17 195:16 201:10　shopping 199:6,24　simple 49:16　sixty 74:3,8 sends 202:10　203:16　155:11　size 130:11 sense 32:5 70:7　shops 196:19,20　simply 26:16　skill 154:18 120:13 202:2　197:6,7 199:4,22　single 63:18　slow 19:13 sensitive 128:25　201:8　105:14　small 22:22 88:8 130:8　short 66:24 125:25　sir 12:7,17 13:20　195:21 196:4 sensitivity 156:10　126:6 134:23　14:7 16:15 20:19　social 141:5 sent 21:24　136:4 138:4,8　21:14 22:12 25:11　solicit 137:16 sentence 51:7 58:4　173:21 174:5　27:13,23 32:5,12　solutions 7:18,20 58:13 61:16 62:23　shorthand 212:5　33:20 36:3 37:24　209:11 214:7 84:17　show 19:5 21:7　38:12,16,24 39:15　somebody 113:25 sentences 47:17　26:2 28:13 43:3　39:20 40:7,11　155:22 separate 202:3　shown 47:6　43:11,20 45:20　son 39:13,18 40:6 september 22:7　shulman 170:17　46:17 47:25 49:11　74:15 76:22 77:1 seriously 174:23　170:24 171:18,22　50:4 51:4 52:6　77:5 84:8 85:11 serve 51:25 52:15　171:24 172:9,11　56:3,5 61:8 62:12　96:4 106:16,23 54:21 58:8 69:11　172:18　63:16 64:8,22　177:22 180:11 88:16 119:8　shut 124:21　67:21 69:3,16　199:20 served 68:1,19,24　sic 61:18 103:6　71:3 72:10,22　son's 89:21 107:10 95:6　side 183:8　76:4 78:5,6 80:19　sorry 15:21 16:15 service 93:18　sign 92:21 185:21　82:11 83:22 84:22　19:12 22:25 23:8 95:12 120:24　214:16 215:5　88:2 91:6 92:1,24　44:6 45:19 46:20 124:8　signature 56:1,25　93:12 97:24 100:2　52:10,11 56:3 services 120:9　57:21 167:19　102:15 103:21　57:13 70:13 91:5 148:12　213:3 214:21,23　104:7 108:8,24,24　97:24 98:6 104:2 serving 91:13 95:9　214:23 215:9　111:24 123:10　121:9 144:22 set 113:21,22　signed 57:7 59:1　124:13 138:19　145:2 147:23 114:4,5,7 117:15　61:17,25 62:1,3,6　151:9 153:21　152:22 153:23 170:15 195:17　62:8,17,18,19 63:9　156:3 164:12　167:2,10 171:5 212:11　63:13,24 64:1,3,9　166:17 167:3　184:22 200:17 setting 128:4,6　64:20 66:9 67:6　169:5,21 170:12　sort 114:9 141:12 67:23 91:12 171:8　179:13 183:14　202:19 109:4,11,13,18,21 109:22,25 110:7 110:14,17,20,25 111:11,17 113:21 114:12,15,23 115:8,12,14,16 176:23 177:7,14 177:18 178:1,3 180:5 184:10 185:3 186:9,14 sound 18:13 33:24 sounds 11:10 18:4 18:21,24 21:5 22:8 23:11,20,24 23:25 24:2,3,12,13 24:14,18,21,23 18:15,16,17,18,20 25:6,16,18 27:6,10 27:15 28:9 30:8 32:10,13,15,19 33:12,18,20,25 34:1,3,4,7,9,9,13 34:16,22,25 35:14 35:20 36:2,24 37:21 38:1,18 40:9,18,22 41:4,17 42:2,5,21 43:25 44:15,17,21,25 sorts 89:25 [sorts - started] 149:4 209:1 33:17 204:19 source 115:7 118:17,18,20 119:2 123:14,17 123:20 124:9 159:1,5 160:24 162:10,23 speak 13:6 54:11 54:15 70:10 126:16 139:18 140:5 151:5,7 155:5 209:20 spring 2:21 4:20 5:3,11 7:10 8:3 15:3,20 16:9,22 17:2,4,10 18:9,11 spend 17:6 173:18 spoke 135:18,21 spoken 115:3,6 139:13 140:14 180:12 191:16 45:7,17,21,25 46:6 46:13 47:10,21 49:5,19 50:24 51:24 52:14 54:20 58:6,21,22,23 59:21 65:21 67:25 68:10,11,16,23 69:2,8,9,13,14,18 70:16 71:4,12 72:1,8 73:22,24 74:21,24 77:18,21 77:25 78:12,19 79:7,15,18 80:5,11 80:12,13,18,22 81:3,6 86:22 90:4 90:9,18 91:16,17 91:18,24 92:9,16 93:6 95:4,24 97:2 97:20 98:3,23 99:11 100:16 102:7,23,25 103:4 103:7,9 104:6,10 104:13,14,17,22 104:24 105:8 107:15,18 108:3 114:12,15,23　195:4,7,15,22 115:8,12,14,16　198:22,24 199:14 116:5,8 117:6,10　201:10,23 202:7 118:7,14 119:4,13　202:10 206:8,13 119:13,18,23　206:22 207:14 120:12,20,23,24　208:5,8 209:9 121:1,4,15 122:1,7　spring's 102:22 122:13,20,21　121:19 124:21 123:8,13 124:11　125:14,22 126:25 125:7 126:21　128:23 129:17 127:7,8,9,17　190:23 128:12,19,20　square 2:6,7,16,17 129:14 130:11,15　3:11 131:3,9 132:18,21　squarely 65:20 132:22,23 133:7　srosen 2:24 133:16 134:19　ss 211:1 212:1 135:2,9 136:1,17　ssarnoff 2:19 137:7,10 140:25　stamp 167:23 141:24 148:6,12　stand 11:8 45:3 148:15,18 150:2,6　132:3 150:20 151:11,25　stands 132:1,9,11 152:19,24 153:1　132:15 153:10 156:1,6,18　start 12:3,20 23:25 157:3,22 158:16　29:10,23 30:10,17 158:17,20 159:13　30:19 31:1,14,17 160:21,24 163:21　32:10 71:4 78:6 164:10,14 165:16　118:22 173:18 165:22 166:4,5,14　174:20 168:9 169:3,3,15　started 10:22 169:16,23,25　24:11,17 28:8 170:14,20 171:14　30:13 31:18,19,19 172:10 173:1,4　31:20 32:13 33:18 174:16 175:3,13　34:4 36:2,24 187:4 188:25 190:14,18 191:10 192:3,11,15 193:18 194:2,7,8 37:22 38:1 40:9 40:18,22 41:3,17 42:5,20 69:8,9,14 71:12,25 72:7 [started - talking] 73:21,24 77:21,24　stuart 2:15 8:13　supplement　t 78:23 81:3 87:6　stuff 141:10,18　207:12 209:14　t 4:9 147:15,16 117:18,24　194:23 195:5　supplies 208:12　216:3,3 starting 31:23　202:3　support 82:3　tail 74:9 32:3 42:3 85:5　subject 88:12　89:16,21,25 91:19　take 23:9 33:7 state 3:11 7:21　113:20 133:17,20　92:2 93:18,23　35:2,8 55:9 58:21 9:25 10:5,12 57:8　134:5 146:11　94:4,15 118:4,6　66:16,19 69:10 167:16 168:22　163:20 176:15　119:8,13 127:9　84:19 91:18 96:1 211:1 212:1,6　submitted 43:19　128:16 147:24　96:4 98:16 99:5,6 214:9,12　subordinated　182:22　100:11,16 102:2 stated 68:18 98:15　130:21　supported 118:8　108:10,10 109:6 statement 157:22　subpoenaed　supporting 114:3　111:15,20 112:4 191:22 192:5　129:16　suppose 50:20　125:25 139:2 states 1:1 3:4,4　subscribe 211:11　supposed 92:8　141:17 143:5 7:12 25:10,12,15　substance 211:8　118:21 124:6　148:6,11,16 158:7 25:19,24 27:21　substantiating　130:18　159:11 160:1,4,10 28:5 91:13 115:19　186:12　supreme 57:8　160:13,18 161:2 117:13 125:23　succeeded 175:4　sure 12:23 21:23　161:13,19,22,23 stay 27:12 39:21　success 206:5　22:15 24:10 26:5　162:4,17,22 51:3 66:7 87:3　successful 174:15　42:24 54:9 62:15　173:22,25 180:9 102:1 207:2　175:8,17,22 176:3　63:18 90:21,23　181:23,23 186:17 stayed 73:3,7　176:5　97:21 99:5 102:18　195:12 197:11 staying 27:12　successfully　103:15 104:1,1　207:23 stays 206:9　120:25　106:12 112:2　taken 4:13 7:10 stenotypy 212:14　sued 58:9　120:2,5 131:15　66:24 98:25 stick 40:3 203:21　sufficient 158:10　140:10 142:4　112:15 126:6 stipulation 214:20　suggest 31:3 112:7　143:16 167:6　127:2 174:5 stipulations 12:21　163:6　172:4,15 182:2　186:14 212:10 12:25　suggesting 32:7　188:2,23 192:1　takes 112:7 stop 12:4 66:3　33:22 60:24 61:3　203:19 205:10,10　talent 154:9 store 202:9,10　155:12 164:24　survivor 48:12　talk 69:21 70:1,2,2 stores 197:6　197:17　suzanne 1:25 7:19　80:8 99:7 131:22 strategic 14:18,19　suit 194:9 197:21　112:6 212:5 213:4　140:1 151:20 street 2:12,22 3:6　197:25　swear 8:18　176:21 7:3 184:20 185:3　sunny 3:17 8:23　swore 62:7 65:17　talked 69:24 70:8 190:3　10:6 40:15 52:8　91:12　70:9 126:18 strictly 38:7　super 12:1,9 13:21　sworn 9:1,11,21　176:18 195:9 strongly 129:8　43:13　57:21 60:15 61:14　talking 22:18,21 156:22　supervision　212:9　32:24 65:23 71:19 structure 37:9　212:15　system 10:12　71:20 72:5,7 77:1 117:16　84:15,25 85:12 [talking - time] 91:1,3,7 92:5　86:4,6 131:14　185:10 188:14　thoughts 107:1 100:2 125:15　146:19　190:9 201:17　threatened 84:11 136:19 177:3　terms 144:5,11,16　205:22 209:3　86:2 180:1,2 181:4　186:20 189:17　thanks 163:19　three 4:22,24 182:9 205:3,4　191:1　166:25　21:14 29:20 30:2 207:19　terrible 85:16　thereof 212:23　30:2 36:6,9,14 task 36:5 45:11　test 48:15 171:5　thereon 211:10　43:4,10 48:17 46:9 58:23　testified 9:22　thing 55:21 84:4　49:1,10 51:5 tasks 45:14　30:23 40:5 48:13　95:14 105:14　56:22 57:1,13,14 taxes 168:17　50:11 89:12 97:13　108:25 141:12　65:7,17 84:3,18 172:23　104:20 120:16　182:18　127:15 168:2 team 157:23　161:8 181:10　things 11:20 47:8　170:17 184:5 174:19　183:20 185:2　66:17 85:16 89:25　tight 19:11 technically 24:2　204:2　92:22 97:7 99:9　tim 18:1,2 170:20　testify 44:24 48:24　99:13 107:22,23　time 11:23 17:6,8 telephone 16:9,22　80:11 94:19 95:15　127:15,20 136:20　24:4,6,23 25:2,5 tell 29:5 31:18　191:24　182:1 194:9 195:1　25:13,16,18,25 35:6 43:16 46:4,8　testifying 48:7　198:25 199:19,21　27:20 28:4 34:11 47:2 58:2,15　61:23 64:5 75:18　200:4　34:22,25 35:4 59:25 73:13 74:6　90:8 159:13　think 13:18,20　37:22 38:18 40:17 81:18,21,23 83:21　testimony 4:12　24:9 34:8 41:21　40:24 41:3,9,17 86:22 93:10 94:3　13:19 15:8 26:12　50:11 58:25 62:14　42:5 44:8 49:18 97:10 99:15 109:3　29:19 36:5,12　66:10,16 86:3　54:8 62:13,15,17 109:25 110:5　37:23 48:2,8,15,16　93:8 94:12 100:21　62:18 63:23 64:9 113:25 117:9　51:2,2 60:15　117:4 119:15　66:23 67:2,15 125:13 128:18　61:14 63:3 64:7　129:6 140:15,18　69:4,18 80:24 134:12 138:2　75:25 76:3 94:12　150:11 156:11　83:6 84:19 94:24 144:2 159:25　94:15,19 96:20　157:24 160:14　96:4,12,17,20 97:6 160:2 175:21　106:14 132:24　166:19 167:1,24　98:10,14,18 184:1,1,2 198:17　159:15,19 161:5,7　181:25 182:10　103:18 104:8 199:1　188:4 209:7　183:10,23 190:16　106:14,18 112:14 telling 19:14　212:16　194:25 200:1　112:18 123:8 194:24　thank 8:17 10:13　201:13 203:4　124:13 126:5,9 ten 17:8,9 22:4　10:14 11:18 12:8　205:24　127:24 134:23 23:9 33:8 66:19　12:18 16:7 40:2,4　thinking 75:13　136:4 138:4,4,8,12 117:3 163:17　55:7 67:17 71:8　thirty 21:11,14,16　139:4 140:8,17 167:24 185:16,18　71:23 78:8 84:21　21:20 22:4,12　143:15 144:14 tendered 160:21　84:23 88:6 111:23　23:2,6,9 33:1,7　145:16 148:22 tendering 191:5　113:19 126:19　132:8 205:19　156:3 162:9,23,25 term 81:8,14　129:11 156:15　thought 128:3　163:3,13 166:5 84:13 85:19,22,24　167:7 173:20　171:4　167:24 168:16 Case 22-50073　Doc 440-26　Filed 05/25/22　Entered 05/26/22 15:30:37　Page 274 translated 11:13 75:10,11 77:13 of 280 told 35:18,19 43:8 169:15,23,24 [time - turn] 173:17,18 174:4,8　60:17 61:12 63:8　11:14 12:14 65:6　78:3,10 79:13,13 176:16,18 195:2　63:9,10 65:23　83:6 89:6　79:15 80:11,16,18 203:10 205:23　79:24 87:5,7 89:3　translation 31:16　80:20 81:2,5,8,14 209:3 212:11　91:12 110:24　89:4,24 94:5　85:22,23 89:11 214:10,18,24　133:19,22 135:15　translator 88:24　91:12 97:14 108:6 215:7　137:22,24,24　92:23 93:2,10,19　108:22 169:22 times 2:6,7,16,17　138:20 139:2　95:10,11 131:5　175:24 183:4 26:17 66:1 82:15　145:7 148:10　200:15　193:17 211:9,13 95:3 105:17,22　162:21 176:11,13　transport 111:13　212:15 138:21 139:20,22　179:14 180:6,9,11　transportation　trust 160:16 139:24 140:1,18　199:18　99:10 107:13,22　trustee 3:4 8:16 151:3 159:14　tongue 11:6　108:11 109:11,17　146:18 194:25 184:6 200:8 204:2　tonight 210:7　111:1,3　196:7 204:4 208:4　top 56:1 57:1 74:8　travel 25:19 26:14　truth 50:5 80:23 timing 182:4　187:22　26:17 27:4 40:12　truthful 13:19 timothy 18:1　topic 44:20 87:14　111:7　31:21 59:25 61:22 title 42:21 89:17　94:20 174:14　traveled 23:23　62:1,3,9 63:3 64:2 93:19 95:1,2　topics 15:6,10 20:5　24:7 27:16,17　64:6 titles 44:15 45:2　20:9 26:2 37:7,8　109:7　truthfully 13:16 49:19 65:24 95:3　38:6 41:25 65:19　travels 108:13,23　try 11:7 12:12 98:22 137:10　160:23,23　117:14　37:13 71:21 76:18 142:5,7 180:16　total 187:16　treasurer 42:23,25　87:14 98:10,14 today 11:5 13:19　209:10　45:25 46:13 47:20　129:9 138:14 15:2,7,8,12,20,25　tower 2:6,16　49:4 97:20 98:2　150:13 169:12 16:24 17:2 36:3　transaction　103:9 104:12　trying 26:6,9 32:7 49:2 65:19 92:20　197:20　110:18 122:13,20　50:25 51:1 65:16 94:15,20 109:5　transcribed　128:2 134:19　70:7 92:7 93:5,8 115:22 130:22　212:14　142:6,12 159:12　95:13 111:9 114:7 131:21 136:19　transcript 4:12,16　164:6 165:11,15　116:3,7 128:11 140:13 150:2　13:4,9 20:8 21:11　166:4 180:5 195:6　135:14 136:13,13 158:9 159:13　21:25 22:21 31:2　trial 4:16 13:1　143:10 163:6,9 162:13 163:1　36:22 37:18 39:17　96:20　172:15 180:3,14 176:16 182:9　48:1 50:16 51:8　tried 92:23 165:9　180:16 184:22 209:4　76:20 85:3 93:4　tries 197:25　196:23 197:19 today's 16:10　210:3 212:16,18　trip 194:9 195:12　200:23 17:11,16,20 18:7　214:6,8,10,13,13　196:3　tuesday 1:18 7:2 18:19 116:12　214:21 215:2,2　true 51:3,11,23　212:10 133:17,21 134:5　translate 40:19　52:15 54:20 62:6　turn 29:3 73:10 209:7,20　59:16 82:22 89:6　62:17,19 63:13　87:23 89:15 92:10,19　67:24 69:1,7 75:4 twelve 84:2,17 twenty 4:18 59:5 84:3,18 88:13 51:6 52:6 59:14 59:19 60:13 61:12 63:2,10,11 64:10 64:11,12,14,16,25 40:13 49:1 50:1 66:8 70:5 79:18 86:21,23 89:15,20 90:22 92:1 93:8 94:25 95:2,2,5,13 98:25 106:13 110:13 123:25 124:20 129:6 130:4 131:6 132:25 136:14,16 136:19,25 143:10 146:2,9 153:21 156:17 158:1 160:12 177:4,23 179:11,13 180:14 180:16 182:1,14 186:16 188:19,23 189:13,13 190:8 192:19,24 195:3,8 196:23 197:19 200:24 201:18 202:4 207:19,22 understanding 31:16 36:4 39:16 58:19 68:9,13,14 78:15 79:3,20,22 92:4 113:22,25 114:22 119:8 122:25 123:22 129:18 131:17 148:14 154:17 155:9,22 159:23 161:20 162:6 163:14 171:19 180:4 199:10 205:25 206:3,7 turning 118:19 [turning - 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witness] void 166:7 168:17　119:22 121:3,23　190:11 197:2　went 30:4 144:19 169:4,19 170:1　121:25 122:6,21　201:2 209:2,8　162:13 171:15 172:23　136:18 139:13,18　211:4 212:8 214:1　whatnot 158:23 173:2,13　140:14,21 149:21　214:5 216:2　whatsoever 38:5 w　151:7,14 172:19　want 21:7 24:10　whereabouts 176:23 177:6,16　27:1 32:6 39:23　26:17 42:12 w 38:14 39:9,13,13 39:14,14　177:19 178:8,15　55:21 60:18 62:14　whistle 117:18 wait 12:2,4 19:9　178:17 186:1　66:2,2,7 71:17　wife 101:13 103:6 43:7 78:7　187:7,10 189:1,16　84:4 86:20 88:1　103:13 104:5,9,14 waiting 78:8　189:20 191:6,9,16　90:21,23 106:12　201:24 202:1,24 waive 13:4,8　192:13 193:20　108:24 125:3　204:9,20 205:15 waived 214:23,23　195:11 196:2　126:10 127:20　205:16,17 waiving 214:20　199:19 200:4,24　129:1 150:13,18　wife's 201:21 walk 196:9　201:1,6,24 204:20　154:8 175:19　202:1 walks 197:20　204:21 205:11　176:21 181:15　wilkinson 3:18 9:8 wan 1:8 2:5 7:11　206:1,14 214:4　182:2,20 208:25　53:16 8:8 39:18 40:6　216:1　wanted 111:7　william 170:16,19 41:16,24 42:1　wan's 68:20 77:1　201:14　172:3,9 45:18,22 52:1,16　93:14 106:23　wants 106:24　williams 172:2,7 52:22 53:5,7,9,13　wang 1:17 4:13,23　197:21 198:1　172:19 53:21 54:22 58:10　7:9 9:18 10:19　200:5,24　willing 82:4 13:12 20:2,18　washington 2:13　win 206:4 58:16 66:7 68:2,6　27:9 28:21 32:21　3:7　wish 150:9 68:11 70:16 72:3　37:17 38:11 42:8　way 19:24 27:1　withdraw 43:21 72:9,17 77:4 81:4　42:20 43:10 45:6　54:12 71:22 80:7　withdrawn 17:18 81:9,15,16,21 82:1　49:12 52:13 53:19　120:14 133:13　65:1 72:19 147:20 82:10,19,23 83:7　55:14 56:17 67:4　138:14 143:9　177:21 84:15 85:1,13,19　67:19 71:17,25　163:4 165:12　witness 7:9 8:19 85:23 86:8 87:19　73:13 80:16 83:16　200:16 204:14　9:16,24 13:3,8 88:18 89:5,13　86:20 87:5 93:3　212:21,22　16:12,15 20:11 90:16 91:2,14　95:13 104:4　wealth 159:22　21:1,12 23:4 26:7 92:10 94:16 95:7　111:10 112:20,20　161:9,13,21 162:1　26:11,15 27:6 97:22 98:4,24　120:7 121:12　162:6　28:25 29:4 32:22 99:13 100:8,12,24　123:3 125:7　websites 203:20　33:2,9 35:3,5 36:3 101:4,12 102:17　126:16 131:20　week 69:25 71:2　37:2,15 38:4,9 103:13 104:5,9,14　139:25 143:20　139:20,22 140:16　40:21 42:5,10,16 104:21 105:5,15　146:4 150:18　140:16,24 151:3　43:15 44:21 46:19 105:24 106:6,15　155:11 156:25　weeks 73:8　46:22,24 52:5 106:24 107:8　158:17 163:21　wengui 39:9 53:2　53:10 54:25 55:12 108:22 110:25　171:7 174:13　53:5,12　55:12,23 56:23 111:13 115:3,6 118:6 119:10,20　186:20 188:17　57:5,17 58:1 [witness - york] 59:19 65:17 66:8　78:20,20 79:21　written 63:2 188:9　44:16 45:12 48:17 66:14 67:9,15　81:19 86:11,17　189:4 191:18　49:1,10 51:5 73:12 74:4 83:14　89:24 92:17　212:13　61:19 64:22 65:8 83:20 87:25 88:4　147:19 149:24　wrong 56:6 75:12　65:17 80:7 116:19 88:9 90:4,13　150:11,13 151:21　164:22　116:21,23 117:1,3 92:15 94:19 95:20　152:25 157:2,17　wrongdoing　136:3 152:1,3,4,6 103:24 111:16,24　158:3 164:17　164:25　160:17 161:21,25 116:4,15 122:11　195:18 202:11　x　163:2 171:11 122:19 123:5　worked 19:2 21:5　x 4:1,9 107:9,9　yesterday 145:13 124:24 126:24　23:23 24:12,20　116:6 215:1　145:14,16,18,21 129:9 131:16　25:16,18 26:9　146:5,9 162:8,9,22 140:7 143:14,23　27:10,14 34:21,25　y　163:6,10 144:13 147:10　45:9 55:3 138:25　y 112:24,24 116:6　yong 112:23 148:1 154:6 158:5　152:18 153:10　147:16　york 1:19,19 2:7,7 159:19,21 165:21　working 19:12　y'all 44:7　2:17,17,22 4:20 166:11 167:2,13　24:11,14,23,24　yan 1:17 4:13,23　5:4,12 7:1,1,10 170:12 186:11　25:3,5 29:10,23　9:18 56:17 211:4　8:3 10:12 14:23 188:3 191:23　30:10,17 31:1,15　212:8 214:1,5　15:4 17:4 18:9,11 201:4 204:1 207:3　32:10 33:18 34:3　216:2　18:15,17 23:24 207:9,16 209:8,20　34:6,12 36:23　yeah 11:25 13:2　24:2,15,18 27:6 212:8,13,17　37:21 38:1 40:9　23:2 26:5 30:15　28:9 29:10,23 214:13,16 215:2,5　40:18,22 41:3,17　49:1 54:2 67:14　30:4,4,11,18 31:2 216:24　42:5,20 44:14　70:4 75:21 76:16　31:14,22,23 32:1,2 women's 101:6,9　45:17,21 69:2,8,9　81:12 86:15 93:22　32:3,11,13,15 101:13　69:14 71:12,25　101:5,8 102:1　33:13,19 34:1,4,7 word 55:1 59:13　72:8 73:21,24　108:2 109:14,24　34:13,17,25 35:21 90:3 109:6 120:2　78:23 81:3,10　110:11 111:9　36:2,24 37:21 120:8　83:22 87:6 113:5　112:3 116:25　38:1,2 40:9,10,11 words 48:6 49:12　150:2 171:19　125:16 128:7,21　40:14,17,18,23,24 49:16 51:11 58:17　210:1　136:10 141:7　41:2,4,7,16,18 58:19 60:8 93:3　works 76:16　156:15 162:16　42:2,6,21 43:25 94:14 107:17　world 17:14　166:21,21 173:20　44:21,25 46:1,6,14 201:11 212:13　116:12 175:22　194:21 208:14　47:21 49:5,19 work 18:24 22:7,7　worms 158:24　year 18:12 41:11　51:24 52:14 54:20 23:11,20,25 24:2,3　worry 161:19　47:24 129:14,20　57:8 58:7 59:21 24:17 27:5,22　207:1　129:21,22 130:3　65:22 68:1 69:8 28:5 30:6,13,19　wow 152:14　130:12 134:16,17　69:10,15 71:13,13 31:17,19 32:2　writing 184:13　yearly 107:12　72:1,1,4,8 73:22 33:12 45:18,22　188:5 189:10　years 25:14 29:20　81:3,6 90:18 46:10 58:21,22　190:2　30:3,20 36:5,6,10　91:16,17,19,24 59:20 60:25 71:4　36:11,14 41:13　92:9,17 93:6 95:4 [york - 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(1) Review; Statement of Changes. On request by the deponent or a party before the deposition is completed, the deponent must be allowed 30 days after being notified by the officer that the transcript or recording is available in which: (A) to review the transcript or recording; and (B) if there are changes in form or substance, to sign a statement listing the changes and the reasons for making them. (2) Changes Indicated in the Officer's Certificate. The officer must note in the certificate prescribed by Rule 30(f)(1) whether a review was requested and, if so, must attach any changes the deponent makes during the 30-day period. DISCLAIMER: THE FOREGOING FEDERAL PROCEDURE RULES ARE PROVIDED FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY. THE ABOVE RULES ARE CURRENT AS OF APRIL 1, 2019. PLEASE REFER TO THE APPLICABLE FEDERAL RULES OF CIVIL PROCEDURE FOR UP-TO-DATE INFORMATION. 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