# Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok): community discussion 006

Community discussion, batch 006 (May 30, 2025 – Jun 4, 2025), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Participants discussed judicial developments and defense strategies in the criminal RICO and bankruptcy proceedings, analyzing third-party forfeiture, victim determinations, and prosecution Brady obligations. While some advocated submitting evidence to new defense counsel and challenging farm claims through third-party motions, others questioned their legal efficacy. Sharp disagreements emerged over advocacy tactics by figures like Xiao Yang and Brother Screw, external media broadcasts, and detention records in Document 312.

Firsthand participant accounts and investment experiences, preserved with dates, sources and reply context.

English reading guide and paraphrases; Chinese source messages remain authoritative.

## Examining Third-Party Forfeiture, Victim Identification, and the Impact of Bankruptcy Creditors on Criminal Convictions

Participants debate how victim identification, procedural irregularities, and bankruptcy creditor claims influence criminal RICO convictions and third-party asset recovery.

- ntp***, May 30, 2025: ntp*** asks how initiating third-party claims to recover money relates to procedural injustice. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8e0ef40324eeeea87d92)
- him***, May 30, 2025: him*** argues that while establishing victims might not be strictly necessary for a conviction, procedural injustice regarding victims is obvious. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe177170498d3a2173b22)
- chu***, Jun 1, 2025: chu*** contends that the bankruptcy case legally ties the Guo enterprise to RICO charges. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6cf5ed3764f7e5acecef)
## Reviewing CourtListener and PACER Dockets and Analyzing Prosecution Charges and Brady Disclosure Disputes

Participants examine online court dockets and discuss prosecutorial disclosure obligations alongside charges brought against Guo.

- chu***, May 30, 2025: chu*** shares a CourtListener docket page for the United States v. Guo criminal proceedings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc5a833875227f80c7745)
- rui***, May 31, 2025: rui*** questions how members can identify which specific evidence the prosecution allegedly failed to disclose. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qddc5d439eacbd11ef73f)
- him***, Jun 1, 2025: him*** notes that the prosecution did not charge Guo with obstruction of justice. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdbb292ac385d5e035f37)
## Weighing the Feasibility of Submitting Exculpatory Evidence to New Defense Counsel and Pursuing Third-Party Intervention

Participants discuss providing documentation regarding the Alliance farms and legal claims directly to Guo's new defense attorneys.

- rui***, Jun 2, 2025: rui*** advises chu*** to change the group name. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q27809cda7e830241ca5b)
- chu***, Jun 3, 2025: chu*** states that a Chinese document was drafted and already sent to Guo's attorneys. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q34615310a6ac2e1c6453)
- chu***, May 31, 2025: chu*** recounts exposing alleged deception by Alliance farms and Luc Despins in Document 679 and urges prosecutors to subject farm leaders to pretrial detention like in Document 7. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4642eeb20faeadd1ba09)
## Debating Xiao Yang and Brother Screw's Third-Party Motions, Congressional Petitions, and Underlying Motives

Participants dispute the intentions and strategic value behind congressional petitions and third-party motions promoted by community figures.

- rui***, Jun 2, 2025: rui*** asks whether a shared excerpt represents a conversation with Xiao Yang. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6dfb35da8081fa570f6c)
- rui***, Jun 2, 2025: rui*** strongly denounces Xiao Yang for initiating a petition to Congress. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1efb2ae6f805d81f8134)
- zha***, Jun 3, 2025: zha*** questions whether former Alliance leadership and Paul Hastings attorney Luc Despins are currently operating from within or acting against them. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q19dcf12d56a14c6d474b)
## Questioning Farm Claim Validity, Momo Token Liquidation, and GTV Asset Disposition in Bankruptcy

Participants scrutinize Alliance farm claims, prosecution disclosure of intelligence under Brady, and attempts to link Momo tokens to the criminal case.

- him***, May 31, 2025: him*** asks whether the phone numbers provided by the Alliance farms were fabricated. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q04c7cada954918404603)
- chu***, May 31, 2025: chu*** interprets Document 115 as potentially extending the government's Brady disclosure obligations to classified intelligence. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe70fb342cae4ec15ab1b)
- joy***, Jun 3, 2025: joy*** warns against dragging Momo tokens into Guo's criminal case. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q69b249924aa566d5707a)
## Verifying Document 312 Lists, Prison Call Records, and Visitation Rumors

Participants examine prison visitation logs and court filings to verify claims regarding contacts with Guo in detention.

- rui***, Jun 2, 2025: rui*** remarks that the legal filing reflects only one visitation record. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb3357ad8a66feeb17f69)
- 202***, Jun 3, 2025: 202*** posts a commemorative greeting and song link honoring Guo and fellow supporters ahead of Jun 4, 2025. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q85496859dff6a6c7c2ca)
- zha***, Jun 2, 2025: zha*** suggests consulting the new defense lawyers to confirm whether claimed visits by purported relatives and Alliance members actually occurred. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaa7388085c5ca478c3d2)
## Controversies over Motivations and Standpoints Surrounding External Media Figure Huang He Bian Airing Member Videos

Participants debate the prudence of sending recorded video statements to external commentator Huang He Bian and question his editorial motives.

- chu***, Jun 3, 2025: chu*** mentions plans to record a video and transmit it via WeChat to Huang He Bian before heading to work. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa1ed8802f949039d20f8)
- ntp***, Jun 4, 2025: ntp*** cautions that Huang He Bian might edit the footage unfavorably without offering any avenue for clarification. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q547d6ca8f13f9a6c4356)
- nig***, Jun 4, 2025: nig*** questions why Huang He Bian would broadcast Brother Screw's video and asks about the commentator's true stance. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6f0607f8be6686e56be6)
## Internal Community Factions, Mobilization Disagreements, and Reflections on Group Organization

Participants reflect on internal organizational friction, community mobilization, and allegations of conflicting agendas among activist leaders.

- chu***, Jun 1, 2025: chu*** questions how many members are actually prepared to take concrete action. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qecdd59d97a894ac96668)
- ntp***, Jun 3, 2025: ntp*** contends that Xiao Yang awakened followers only to obstruct them from bringing the truth into court, advising members to verify this within the group. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd1e34c8d5b89616a8b7c)
- rui***, Jun 2, 2025: rui*** argues that group members do not need to write anything themselves. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9312794f09907a88ac54)