# Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok): community discussion 006

Community discussion, batch 006 (May 30, 2025 – Jun 4, 2025), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. From May 30 to Jun 4, 2025, this batch centered on Guo criminal and bankruptcy litigation. Members argued that third-party forfeiture and victim procedures were unfair, while disputing whether bankruptcy filings changed the RICO case. They cited CourtListener docket 67012324 and ECF 115, 679, and 312. Debate split on strategy: some wanted filings and evidence handoffs to defense counsel; others disputed whether petitions and clips involving Xiaoyang and Luosi helped or weakened the effort. Community statements, not court findings.

English reading guide and paraphrases; Chinese source messages remain authoritative.

## Discuss third-party forfeiture procedures, victim designation, and the impact of bankruptcy creditors on criminal conviction

Members argued that third-party forfeiture and victim procedures were unfair, with some claiming victim status is not necessary for conviction and others disputing how bankruptcy creditor records influenced the RICO narrative; community statements were framed as strategic positioning rather than confirmed law. Community statements, not court findings.

- ntp***, May 30, 2025: A participant asked why third-party payment-related actions were tied to procedural injustice; Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8e0ef40324eeeea87d92)
- him***, May 30, 2025: A participant argued that victim status is not required for conviction but said victim-identification procedures appeared plainly unfair; Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe177170498d3a2173b22)
- chu***, Jun 1, 2025: A participant claimed the bankruptcy case was being used to legally bind the Guo group into a RICO context; Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6cf5ed3764f7e5acecef)
## Review CourtListener and PACER dockets while debating prosecution allegations and disclosure disputes

Members reviewed court records, including docket 67012324, and disputed Brady-disclosure logic, arguing over what evidence was truly undisclosed and whether prosecution had alleged obstruction in this case; Community statements, not court findings.

- chu***, May 30, 2025: A participant shared the CourtListener docket for United States v. Guo, docket 67012324; Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc5a833875227f80c7745)
- rui***, May 31, 2025: A participant said they could not identify which evidence was allegedly not disclosed; Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qddc5d439eacbd11ef73f)
- him***, Jun 1, 2025: A participant claimed prosecutors had not charged Guo with obstructing justice; Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdbb292ac385d5e035f37)
## Weigh evidence submission to new defense counsel versus third-party intervention options

Members weighed whether to pass evidence directly to new defense counsel and whether third-party channels were viable, with some pressing for immediate escalation and others urging counsel-driven verification of possible document and filing anomalies like Document 679; Community statements, not court findings.

- rui***, Jun 2, 2025: A participant suggested renaming the group, indicating coordination concerns tied to the strategy effort; Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q27809cda7e830241ca5b)
- chu***, Jun 3, 2025: A participant said they had drafted a Chinese statement and sent it to Guo’s former lawyer; Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q34615310a6ac2e1c6453)
- chu***, May 31, 2025: A participant argued prior counsel missed issues and that new counsel should uncover deception in filings such as Document 679 and Alliance Farm records; Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4642eeb20faeadd1ba09)
## Debate over Xiaoyang and Luosi: third-party motions, congress petitions, and intent

Members disputed Xiaoyang and Luosi’s mobilization tactics around third-party motions and congress petitions, contending whether these tactics advanced truth in court or introduced confusion and mixed intent; Community statements, not court findings.

- rui***, Jun 2, 2025: A participant asked whether a comment chain was directly with Xiaoyang, signaling scrutiny of who initiated the communication; Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6dfb35da8081fa570f6c)
- rui***, Jun 2, 2025: A participant criticized Xiaoyang’s congress petition approach as unhelpful; Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1efb2ae6f805d81f8134)
- zha***, Jun 3, 2025: A participant questioned whether former allies were now inside or outside the core conflict, indicating uncertainty about their current alignment; Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q19dcf12d56a14c6d474b)
## Questioning Alliance Farm claim eligibility, Mo Mo coin settlement framing, and GTV asset handling disputes

Members questioned Alliance Farm claim credibility and argued over whether phone records were fabricated, while disputing the relevance of Mo Mo coin narratives and related asset handling arguments to the Guo case, with one side invoking Document 115 on disclosure scope; Community statements, not court findings.

- him***, May 31, 2025: A participant asked whether Alliance Farm calls were fabricated; Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q04c7cada954918404603)
- chu***, May 31, 2025: A participant suggested Document 115 implied Brady obligations could include confidential intelligence that should be disclosed; Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe70fb342cae4ec15ab1b)
- joy***, Jun 3, 2025: A participant urged the group not to tie Mo Mo coin issues back into Guo’s case; Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q69b249924aa566d5707a)
## Cross-checking Form 312-style names, prison call records, and visit-rumor reliability

Members cross-checked court-file references and prison-call information, disputing visit-rumor reliability and pressing for counsel verification, while one message linked the discussion to a Jun 4 public posting context; Community statements, not court findings.

- rui***, Jun 2, 2025: A participant said the legal file showed only one entry; Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb3357ad8a66feeb17f69)
- 202***, Jun 3, 2025: A participant posted a Jun 4 message with a social-media link, framed as communication rather than legal evidence; Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q85496859dff6a6c7c2ca)
- zha***, Jun 2, 2025: A participant proposed verifying the frequency of prison visits with a new lawyer, suggesting uncertainty around rumor-based claims; Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaa7388085c5ca478c3d2)
## Huangebian video circulation sparks motive interpretations and split positions

Members disputed the role of Huangebian in amplifying videos, with some preparing clips for it and others objecting to edited distribution and questioning the outlet’s stance toward Luosi-related material; Community statements, not court findings.

- chu***, Jun 3, 2025: A participant planned to record and send a video to Huangebian before resuming work; Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa1ed8802f949039d20f8)
- ntp***, Jun 4, 2025: A participant asked how the group should respond if Huangebian edited the clip; Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q547d6ca8f13f9a6c4356)
- nig***, Jun 4, 2025: A participant questioned why Huangebian was posting Luosi’s video and what position it was taking; Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6f0607f8be6686e56be6)
## Internal factional tensions, execution capacity, and reflection on group identity

Members argued about internal split on action capacity and group organization, questioning who should execute actions versus draft posts, and whether the chat should function as a tight movement or a looser supporter base; Community statements, not court findings.

- chu***, Jun 1, 2025: A participant asked how many people were actually taking action; Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qecdd59d97a894ac96668)
- ntp***, Jun 3, 2025: A participant argued that formal writing was unnecessary; Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd1e34c8d5b89616a8b7c)
- rui***, Jun 2, 2025: A participant reaffirmed that the group should not be writing statements; Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9312794f09907a88ac54)