# Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok): community discussion 008 Community discussion, batch 008 (Jun 6, 2025 – Jun 13, 2025), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. From Jun 6, 2025 to Jun 13, 2025, this batch focused on legal-process debates in the Guo Wen-gui matters, especially Brady disclosure, evidence collection, third-party motions, and Luc’s G-series claim review. Participants argued whether to pursue filing tactics (including documents 679 and 683 and 110+ petitions) or other advocacy paths. They also disputed victim-label consequences and whether certain communications should go directly to counsel. No court ruling is treated as established fact here. Community statements, not court findings. English reading guide and paraphrases; Chinese source messages remain authoritative. ## Emailing the proxy or lawyer to preserve evidence and read receipts Participants claim correspondence can create evidence value but should avoid giving counsel easy grounds to challenge it, while some members also note they have received no replies. Community statements, not court findings. - ntp***, Jun 6, 2025: ntp*** says even ignoring a letter can still serve as evidence, so communications should be drafted carefully to avoid giving lawyers a pretext to attack. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q43cf159d797136cc30b0) - rui***, Jun 6, 2025: rui*** says their contacts had not responded to them, suggesting follow-up concerns. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf39aa4a7b5229059694b) ## Discussion on Brady duty, prosecution disclosure obligations, and judicial enforceability Participants contend Brady obligations are central and argue that weaknesses in disclosure could make the process appear procedurally unfair. Community statements, not court findings. - ntp***, Jun 6, 2025: ntp*** asks which factual items in Brady duty should be inserted into the outline. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6f07b2359bc988f3db85) - him***, Jun 6, 2025: him*** argues that Brady is key and that the case outcome could become about procedural injustice. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb070bd2b41f9d592f520) ## Dispute over overturning necessity and the meaning of victim status Participants dispute whether, without a retrial, all investors would be treated as victims and whether that framing could be used to support claims against Guo Wen-gui. Community statements, not court findings. - him***, Jun 6, 2025: him*** argues that if no retrial happens, prosecutors can classify investors as victims regardless of their own stance. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q40baeda34ece0f3842d2) - ntp***, Jun 6, 2025: ntp*** argues that being treated as a victim can still be used to support conviction framing against him. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q923d38a96e50e249481a) ## Dispute over new affidavits, claim type, and potential harm to Guo Participants claim confusion remains over whether to start with an affidavit or a specific claim form and whether that step itself could negatively affect Guo Wen-gui. Community statements, not court findings. - ntp***, Jun 6, 2025: ntp*** asks whether the immediate task is to complete an affidavit or file the Xijiao exchange-style claim. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa7bba5787d631e72e1cb) - him***, Jun 6, 2025: him*** asks what affidavit is being referenced, disputing the scope of the prior request. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0d6d5a01ac705ac59943) ## Debate on the legitimacy of Gaer proxy claims and reasons for unanswered emails Participants claim that representing oneself to recover funds is valid, while others contend the approach may involve deceptive mass collection. Community statements, not court findings. - rui***, Jun 6, 2025: rui*** argues that self-representation for collection is straightforward and hard to criticize on its face. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3da8f8efd24cf4cea514) - rui***, Jun 6, 2025: rui*** also argues that soliciting money from thousands without informed awareness resembles deception. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7c2f593d59c1d955dbdc) ## Should evidence be sent directly to Guo Wen-gui’s new lawyer Participants argue over whether counsel should be approached directly with evidence versus preliminary permission checks, and dispute how evidence should be framed in such submissions. Community statements, not court findings. - ntp***, Jun 7, 2025: ntp*** says one participant suggested first asking Guo Wen-gui’s lawyer if evidence can be sent, which they considered reasonable. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8b61e0523dcd2e23fc40) - chu***, Jun 7, 2025: chu*** argues that direct sending is preferable and provides a brief template alleging deception by Gaer and by the alliance farm, while accusing live-stream promotion of dramatics. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8a12636432dad7d0221b) ## Why the third-party motion is stayed and filing timeline review Participants dispute the significance of comments about the Chunk motion and contend the current status looks like procedural stalling. Community statements, not court findings. - him***, Jun 7, 2025: him*** asks how the Chunk motion was criticized, signaling uncertainty about its merits. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q08b1d56185f46395ced8) - ntp***, Jun 7, 2025: ntp*** replies that the process appears to be a delaying tactic. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb36330dac44da1325259) ## Court strategy discussion, retrial-group proposals, and internal splits Participants argue for stronger direct legal pressure rather than online posturing, disputing how to handle Gaer and digital bank filings amid internal faction disagreement. Community statements, not court findings. - chu***, Jun 8, 2025: chu*** argues that Gaer’s second demand creates a moment for direct action, criticizing repeated online criticism as ineffective. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe710e5140c284ba01235) - chu***, Jun 8, 2025: chu*** contends digital bank registration filings (including files 679 and 683) warrant concrete legal action, calling them coordinated collection pressure. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf36ab99a71b99bd2f1ce) ## Luc’s review of G-series claims, reductions, and responsibility-shifting Participants argue over Luc’s treatment of G-series claims, contending he is not necessarily removing all claims but adjusting inflated amounts. Community statements, not court findings. - him***, Jun 13, 2025: him*** asks whether Luc plans to remove all G-series claims. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q11feb60a5234f46cd69c) - chu***, Jun 13, 2025: chu*** contends the review should remove only over-reported amounts, not the entire G-series set. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd745364c947a42f1a7f9) ## Dispute over small-sheep petition push and direct evidence submission Participants dispute the claim that live-stream petitioning is the only harmless action and dispute whether evidence-sharing should go beyond posting links. Community statements, not court findings. - sar***, Jun 10, 2025: sar*** claims that livestream promotion presents the congress petition as the only proper and non-damaging action for Guo. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7c70aee317960b63ded8) - rui***, Jun 10, 2025: rui*** shares a social post link to support that argument, without adding new attributed documentary detail in-chat. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5cd5b204fd7daf40d32a)