# Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok): community discussion 009

Community discussion, batch 009 (Jun 13, 2025 – Jun 18, 2025), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. From June 13, 2025 to June 18, 2025, this batch focused on Guo Wengui-related bankruptcy and criminal litigation. Members disputed whether creditor registration is valid, whether Guo’s prior livestream instruction to file claims was serious or joking, and how far Luc should audit allegedly fraudulent claimant filings tied to the Himalaya ecosystem. They also discussed filing tactics, third-party court participation, and safety risks. Referenced identifiers include motion 679, document 671, and document 7. Community statements, not court findings.

English reading guide and paraphrases; Chinese source messages remain authoritative.

## Review whether Guo Wengui’s prior livestreams on Luc and creditor registration were serious or mocking

Members argued about when Guo Wengui reportedly directed audience creditor registration and whether that directive was a serious legal instruction or a casual remark. Community statements, not court findings.

- ntp***, Jun 13, 2025: ntp*** asked when Guo Wengui had said people should register as creditors in a livestream, suggesting uncertainty about the instruction’s context. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q582551e221ce9ab3d604)
- him***, Jun 13, 2025: him*** could not recall the date and guessed it was a large livestream, possibly a New Year broadcast. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe0eb4a787084f474c530)
- ntp***, Jun 13, 2025: ntp*** identified that broadcast as the 2023 New Year livestream, framing the prior instruction as older context rather than current guidance. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb829e65796c28beb42c2)
## Dispute over Luc’s review of fraudulent claims and factional stances

Participants claimed that some early and later claimant entries were suspect, with factions diverging on whether Luc’s review should cover all registrations or only select actors. Community statements, not court findings.

- ntp***, Jun 13, 2025: ntp*** shared a reference post link to support the claim that Luc’s handling of filings was central to the dispute. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q116c40d98546ed7a4347)
- rui***, Jun 13, 2025: rui*** asserted that Guo’s lawyer had become active, implying coordinated legal pressure around the filing process. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd7eabe9752ba6e11d789)
- him***, Jun 13, 2025: him*** claimed the earliest filings, including names linked to Julia and Dai Jianfeng, looked false and argued that Luc would need to audit all submissions if these patterns were true. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc1932cdc7f87c74381ee)
## Community discussion on third-party involvement and the effectiveness of publicity campaigns

Members contested whether people should proactively intervene versus waiting for insiders, with repeated doubts about current court updates and claims that Guo has stayed isolated from outside contact. Community statements, not court findings.

- ntp***, Jun 13, 2025: ntp*** asked whether any new court filing had been issued that day, signaling concern over inaction and timing. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7982a0e0beca4d4e3a1b)
- ntp***, Jun 13, 2025: ntp*** disputed passive strategy, arguing that nothing is done unless Guo’s central figure independently reappears. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe26aef8deab37cb1fdb1)
- ntp***, Jun 13, 2025: ntp*** claimed Guo had spent two years fully isolated from outside parties, reinforcing skepticism about external maneuvering. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qad5587650d7456ab6966)
## Debate over bankruptcy court seizure requests, creditor registration disputes, and social-platform argument clashes

Participants contended over sourcing evidence, with one asking for court links, another saying the evidence was mostly chaotic voice comments, and another pointing to a September 27 post with deletions affecting verification. Community statements, not court findings.

- ntp***, Jun 14, 2025: ntp*** requested a link or post that analyzed court ties involving Guo and the bankruptcy proceedings. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf088daf7ee288bef436b)
- chu***, Jun 14, 2025: chu*** said there was no clear written post, characterizing much of it as disorganized audio remarks, but offered to search September posts. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5640b0d39e3d3631da53)
- chu***, Jun 14, 2025: chu*** described a September 27 Twitter reference and noted the account involved had been deleted, limiting verification. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q073ff812169862639be8)
## Dispute over obstruction-of-justice allegations, court orders, and accusations against Luc and Pu Heng

Community members contended the obstruction matter was dropped by prosecutors, while separating that decision from an earlier bail-stage judge ruling that attributed the label to Guo. Community statements, not court findings.

- him***, Jun 14, 2025: him*** claimed prosecutors ultimately declined to indict Guo on the obstruction-of-justice theory. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1743a0bde391d507e090)
- him***, Jun 14, 2025: him*** clarified that the same obstruction issue appeared tied to the bail phase and a judge’s prior ruling. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q886bfeb43143bae5bf0e)
- him***, Jun 14, 2025: him*** disputed the rationale for dropping the charge and said an outside source had already analyzed why it might have happened. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q608df0580af7e406e4e0)
## Debate on lawyer correspondence and Xiaoyang-related remarks in community conflict

Participants argued that sentencing uncertainty over victim numbers could delay outcomes, and a separate exchange reduced a tense naming exchange around Xiaoyang to sarcastic banter, intensifying friction. Community statements, not court findings.

- him***, Jun 14, 2025: him*** claimed sentencing should require confirmed victim counts, which he said were unclear, implying possible procedural delay. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2dc6b17178437a2bf7ab)
- ntp***, Jun 14, 2025: ntp*** relayed that Xiaoyang addressed him directly, showing the discussion had turned into personal targeting. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qade32a7860904d872161)
- sar***, Jun 14, 2025: sar*** responded with a joking acknowledgment, which others treated as part of the ongoing social conflict. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdc3b7c0d3f4edf3e6d33)
## Critique of Xiaoyang group operations and safety risks from public visibility

Members argued that the Xiaoyang ecosystem was seen as manipulative and exclusionary, with users noting invite restrictions and predicting a destabilizing collapse that raises concerns for personal safety and trust. Community statements, not court findings.

- sar***, Jun 15, 2025: sar*** entered the Xiaoyang group briefly and critiqued it as highly toxic and more degraded than prior factions, contending leaders were deceptive. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3637e9d74141b3eda436)
- ntp***, Jun 15, 2025: ntp*** claimed access control seemed selective, arguing Xiaoyang may have intentionally blocked his invitation while allowing others. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc5ce5a66d7f5401f3a7b)
- rui***, Jun 15, 2025: rui*** claimed the group was entering an intensifying 'purge/explosion' phase, reflecting concern over escalation. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0259334a7f4a2b7a7088)
## Summary of motion 679: conspiracy allegations over creditor registration and requests to intervene as victims

The group discussed motion 679, asserting widespread conspiracy through the creditor rolls and related registrations tied to document 671, while also pressing for broader harm-counsel accountability including Luc Geyer as alleged co-conspirator. Community statements, not court findings.

- chu***, Jun 15, 2025: chu*** claimed motion 679 alleged coordinated conspiracy behind thousands of Himalaya claimant registrations and over 100 petitions in document 671, and requested those records be deemed invalid plus broader criminal probes including Luc Geyer. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6d12c37e8d0d15cc647c)
- rui***, Jun 15, 2025: rui*** commented that the filing looked punitive and forceful, effectively labeling it a hard-hitting legal strike. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3ecfb70c91ea2749bf16)
- chu***, Jun 15, 2025: chu*** remarked that the digital-banking substitute attorney’s name was unknown, criticizing naming a defendant without identifying counsel. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q98468e3b3519953d6ee7)
## Discussion of data leaks and security threats: complaints, CVRA use, or challenging procedural injustice

Participants contended that information leakage should be handled through complaints and possible standalone filings, and argued that registrants or victims could be used to expose alleged bad actors; many framed leaks as a serious U.S.-based safety threat. Community statements, not court findings.

- him***, Jun 16, 2025: him*** contended that if personal information was leaked, a separate complaint should be filed and asked whether independent filing was viable. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q412f036140f278b1dcb2)
- him***, Jun 16, 2025: him*** claimed that Xi Jiao records claimants could function as victim witnesses to expose Luc Geyer. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbd107e16410c156bbff8)
- him***, Jun 16, 2025: him*** emphasized the leak risk as severe and said it seemed especially serious given the U.S. setting of the actors involved. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q343de64e5bc025533362)
## Planning calls to Guo’s defense attorney and confidentiality handling

Participants argued over whether immediate outreach to counsel was realistic, with one member pressing for a call, another reporting prior outreach and expected callback, and a third doubting counsel would proactively return calls. Community statements, not court findings.

- sar***, Jun 17, 2025: sar*** asked if the group would call Guo’s attorney that day, indicating urgency in external coordination. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q340be7a488cdb7cac6e9)
- rui***, Jun 17, 2025: rui*** said they had left a message the previous day and expected the attorney to call back. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe745add134612441c3b9)
- him***, Jun 17, 2025: him*** disputed the assumption of return contact, warning counsel may not reach out proactively. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6dbf1c179b35c17d8cf5)
## Reflection on internal faction disputes and blind-follow dynamics and trust breakdown

Members reflected and disputed the community’s internal dynamics, arguing that many participants show loyalty without standards, while also linking repeated public appearances to cyclical group migration and perceived external containment. Community statements, not court findings.

- xin***, Jun 17, 2025: xin*** shared a referenced link as part of a broader debate over faction behavior. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q72b248f54518f266aae4)
- ntp***, Jun 17, 2025: ntp*** disputed the ethics of many participants, calling out uncritical admiration and preference-based loyalty over principle. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qef6142f084a4e17bcc6d)
- ntp***, Jun 17, 2025: ntp*** argued that each time Guo appears publicly, crowds surge and cycle repeatedly, contending that broader political containment was already in place. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6c967688103eced8fb95)
## Verification of the Dou Dou case-number rumor and whether Luc is being prosecuted

Participants argued over rumors linking Guo’s spouse and Luc, questioned whether Freemasonry was involved, and asked for concrete case numbers after a reply suggesting the spouse had canceled creditor registration. Community statements, not court findings.

- him***, Jun 18, 2025: him*** asked if anyone had inquired whether Luc had been successfully defeated in court and whether a Freemasonry connection existed, requesting a case number. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9fada7b7b549080fcaa3)
- him***, Jun 18, 2025: him*** said Dou Dou had responded to the query, then tagged Ryan, indicating the rumor was under clarification. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q45cf245070724cf7d8c4)
- him***, Jun 18, 2025: him*** interpreted the reply as possibly saying the husband canceled creditor registration. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd4c084f620d6a2e85590)