# Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok): community discussion 010

Community discussion, batch 010 (Jun 18, 2025 – Jun 24, 2025), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Discussions focused on the bankruptcy and criminal proceedings involving Guo Wengui, with participants debating legal tactics, procedural justice, and factional alignments. Disagreements arose over whether to rely on CJA appointed counsel or pursue pro se motions and third-party interventions under the CVRA, Section 853(n), and Brady material. Participants also disputed bankruptcy trustee Luc Despins's authority and creditor claims, while clashing over livestreamers Xiaoyang and Luosige regarding accusations of perjury and community bans.

Firsthand participant accounts and investment experiences, preserved with dates, sources and reply context.

English reading guide and paraphrases; Chinese source messages remain authoritative.

## Examining Defense Strategies: Skepticism Toward Lawyers and Pursuing Pro Se Paths

Participants debate the utility of defense counsel versus pursuing self-representation in court proceedings.

- ntp***, Jun 18, 2025: Participant ntp*** contends that at least two attorneys will now ignore them. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q08f28c4dec9bd226b435)
- ntp***, Jun 18, 2025: Participant ntp*** argues that Xiaoyang would accuse them of committing perjury. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q617e3206c385804e0a91)
## Statutory Grounds for Third-Party Intervention: Applying CVRA and 853n Against Claims

Participants discuss utilizing the Crime Victims' Rights Act and Section 853(n) for third-party motions.

- him***, Jun 19, 2025: Participant him*** contends that the judge specified only two statutory provisions available for third parties, the CVRA and 853n. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qec6fb466952dfdbaac64)
- him***, Jun 19, 2025: Participant him*** argues that participants should draft motions directly by researching the rights and protections granted to third parties under these statutes without consulting lawyers. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e2e6391f75985c17874)
## Debating Procedures to Revoke Creditor Registrations and Standing for Pro Se Third-Party Filings

Participants evaluate online commentary regarding creditor registration figures and qualification for third-party filings.

- ntp***, Jun 19, 2025: Participant ntp*** shares an external link regarding opposition to Luc Despins. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdd39de9b9ef3e6a04631)
- ntp***, Jun 19, 2025: Participant ntp*** shares a social media post addressing creditor issues. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q135210912cb6f3873497)
## Questioning Trustee Luc's Authority and Claims Amid Intertwined Bankruptcy and Criminal Cases

Participants evaluate how evidence from the bankruptcy proceeding affects the criminal conviction.

- rui***, Jun 19, 2025: Participant rui*** contends that bankruptcy-related evidence can be dismantled, but the outcome depends on how much independent evidence exists to support conviction. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa5793037131b7647be7e)
- rui***, Jun 19, 2025: Participant rui*** argues that anything tied to the bankruptcy case can be defeated depending on the extent of other evidence. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9d814eccafb980be6b3b)
## Disputes Over Creditor Registration, Allegations of Betrayal, and Impact on Victim Status

Participants question motivations behind registering as creditors and how it affects loyalty to Guo.

- sar***, Jun 21, 2025: Participant sar*** questions why people were upset when Guo instructed them to register as creditors, arguing they were merely following his instructions. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q40c9e0243854d9e252ad)
- sar***, Jun 21, 2025: Participant sar*** contends that Guo was likely angered and hurt seeing so many people betraying him through registration. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3741dab6b07b0cbb4a29)
## Discussions on CJA-Appointed Counsel, Government Funding Limits, and Defense Performance

Participants dispute the nature of government-funded defense counsel and whether spending limits apply.

- sar***, Jun 23, 2025: Participant sar*** argues that the defense attorneys are funded by the government rather than Guo because of his bankruptcy, citing Xiaoyang's livestream. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbce564b7b11a6b2d3f1f)
- chu***, Jun 23, 2025: Participant chu*** questions whether government-funded representation is subject to spending limits, disputing that the government would pay exorbitant legal fees. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4fa60073fc10deaf2b5c)
## Strategizing Third-Party Motions Against Luc's Creditor Registration and Reviewing Prior Filings

Participants examine legal avenues for third-party intervention against Trustee Luc Despins in the criminal case.

- ntp***, Jun 23, 2025: Participant ntp*** contends that their primary goal is striking Luc Despins's creditor registration in the criminal case via third-party intervention and questions what claims can be brought against him. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1422ffe90f6f4b527a76)
- him***, Jun 23, 2025: Participant him*** points to Luosige's filing, identifying it as motion 524, which urged prosecutors to criminally investigate Luc Despins. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbddc5e816d0ee7c18a30)
## Internal Community Friction Over Livestream Commentaries, Moderation, and Factional Posturing

Participants criticize livestreamer Xiaoyang's commentary and conduct toward other community members.

- sar***, Jun 18, 2025: Participant sar*** recounts watching Xiaoyang's livestream and criticizes him for mocking Luosige's trade and background. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3ca70c9c557c0f0d8f54)
- sar***, Jun 21, 2025: Participant sar*** contends that Xiaoyang and his followers are acting irrationally rather than engaging in meaningful work. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7a896151b4ddc51cfb0b)