# Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok): community discussion 021

Community discussion, batch 021 (Jul 30, 2025 – Aug 1, 2025), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Participants discussed recent judicial developments in the Guo case, focusing on the judge's order postponing sentencing to Jan 2026 and the prosecution's Motion 718 opposing the delay. Disagreements arose over the bankruptcy trustee's motions, frozen exchange assets, forfeiture scope, and pursuing claims through CVRA filings versus Section 853(n) proceedings. Members also debated surrogacy evidence in Document 311, questioned standing in third-party filings, and argued over social media advocacy strategies.

Firsthand participant accounts and investment experiences, preserved with dates, sources and reply context.

English reading guide and paraphrases; Chinese source messages remain authoritative.

## Discussions on the Judge Granting Sentencing Postponement to Jan 2026

Participants discuss the district court's docket order postponing the sentencing hearing to Jan 20, 2026.

- pz0***, Jul 31, 2025: pz0*** reports that sentencing has been postponed to Jan 20 of next year. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q96675215786b99121769)
- chu***, Jul 31, 2025: chu*** shares court docket entry 719 dated Jul 31, 2025, resetting deadlines and hearing schedules. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0474f17019674240bd25)
- wen***, Aug 1, 2025: wen*** describes the court order as welcome news, stating that the judge postponed sentencing to Jan 20, 2026, extending beyond the defense's request despite prosecution opposition. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q005ba72b31d632b9c3ea)
## Reviewing Prosecution Motion 718 Opposing Sentencing Delay and Its Legal Grounds

Participants examine the legal arguments in the prosecution's Motion 718 contesting further delays in sentencing.

- him***, Jul 30, 2025: him*** shares the prosecution's letter to Judge Torres arguing that defense counsel has had sufficient time to prepare and that victims are entitled to timely justice. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbf9852deb5a9ee6753ac)
- him***, Jul 30, 2025: him*** recounts the prosecution's arguments regarding the voluminous trial record, Rule 16 discovery, and previous rulings under CIPA. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7877aafd678576b18673)
- ntp***, Jul 30, 2025: ntp*** inquires about the nature and context of the shared court filing. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q47e83ddadb465a577ae6)
## Examining Trustee Despin's Motions and Court Strategy for CVRA Asset Unfreezing

Participants evaluate legal options regarding the bankruptcy trustee's filings and CVRA motions to release assets.

- him***, Jul 31, 2025: him*** questions why the prosecution has not directly challenged trustee Despin. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc2437a7048ca65875a0f)
- him***, Jul 31, 2025: him*** asks why prosecutors did not refute Despin's assertions regarding the GENIUS Act and cryptocurrency assets. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q12f71e0b90077b81eaac)
- him***, Jul 31, 2025: him*** contends that Brother Luosi's motion is distinct and anticipates the judge will dismiss it personally. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q079fa98d7314900cb19e)
## Legal Disputes Over Himalaya Coin Custody, Forfeiture Lists, and Section 853(n) Motions

Participants debate investor standing and the procedural path for contesting forfeited cryptocurrency assets under Section 853(n).

- him***, Jul 31, 2025: him*** asks whether Voice of Guo investors can appear in court following the acquittal of the entity. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8380a6a4c8a818e5e171)
- ntp***, Jul 31, 2025: ntp*** contends that Voice of Guo investors also held Himalaya Coins. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa6c67810ef805c809697)
- him***, Jul 31, 2025: him*** observes that Voice of Guo funds do not appear to be included in the forfeiture schedule. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q500b7ac5649fb2cc76b5)
## Disagreements on Surrogacy Evidence Screenshots and AI English Translation in Document 311

Participants argue over the relevance and interpretation of surrogacy evidence cited in court Document 311.

- zci***, Jul 30, 2025: zci*** maintains that the surrogacy evidence originates from two authentic screenshots in Document 311 rather than fabrication. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6f32514ab589256e2330)
- gun***, Jul 30, 2025: gun*** argues that procedural injustice can still be challenged regardless of whether family spending was tied to those funds. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3c05b866b3d86358372b)
- chu***, Jul 30, 2025: chu*** contends that discussing issues unrelated to the criminal case is a waste of time. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4697f31625f8855bfeca)
## Debating Third-Party Lawsuit Strategies, Standing, and the Section 505 Intervention Dispute

Participants discuss litigation tactics involving third-party interventions and statutory citations under Section 505.

- gun***, Jul 30, 2025: gun*** asks whether having a larger number of third-party litigants is currently advantageous. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q17502bd328c1a6889aca)
- him***, Jul 30, 2025: him*** observes that social media users are circulating Brother Luosi's filing regarding Section 505 intervention. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf519bcd26bc5eb6fa2c7)
- him***, Jul 30, 2025: him*** contends that the statutory provision cited in the Section 505 intervention document is incorrect. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfebbf5badcb0725fa6c6)
## Analyzing the Prosecution's Decision to Omit Intimate Relationship Evidence

Participants explore why prosecutors refrained from emphasizing evidence regarding personal relationships during trial.

- rui***, Jul 30, 2025: rui*** questions why the prosecution chose not to challenge or pursue the matter in court. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q86fed30a32860a3422e7)
- rui***, Jul 30, 2025: rui*** asks whether prosecutors omitted intimate relationship evidence because they were already completely confident of securing a conviction. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf39857c46f174d6dcbb3)
- rui***, Jul 30, 2025: rui*** observes that prosecutors were ultimately unwilling to bring up the subject. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb863c59d8b725e59da91)
## Debates Over Bankruptcy Creditor Registration Motives, Due Process, and Case Framing

Participants argue over the motives behind creditor registrations and procedural propriety in bankruptcy claims.

- rui***, Jul 31, 2025: rui*** suggests they may understand why Guo encouraged supporters to register as bankruptcy creditors. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q13aea78c0064dc12a760)
- chu***, Jul 30, 2025: chu*** argues that creditor registrations should be interpreted as false claims intended to obstruct justice. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9a720976ddce5b524485)
- zci***, Jul 31, 2025: zci*** disputes whether the Alliance would ever acknowledge fraudulent conduct or claims of diversion to family members. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd79e73abefb93ebba278)
## Evaluating Social Media Protests, Legal Defense Tactics, and Commentary

Participants compare public social media campaigning with courtroom legal strategies against the bankruptcy trustee.

- joy***, Jul 31, 2025: joy*** urges members to post hundreds of daily messages targeting lawmakers and media claiming Luc Despin framed Guo. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q04a39a446cbbde1cef53)
- ntp***, Jul 30, 2025: ntp*** claims that someone is setting a trap for Brother Luosi. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q06270f76895ab8683f04)
- ntp***, Jul 30, 2025: ntp*** contends that an online commentator is merely seeking attention and acting in concert with the prosecution. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5730f0af158ebd160108)
## Court ECF Filing Upload Status, Access Rights, and Community Interaction Disputes

Participants discuss checking court docket updates on ECF and argue over internal group communication dynamics.

- rui***, Jul 31, 2025: rui*** recounts having just placed a phone call directly to the Southern District of New York court. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q17ccfacc9cd501b6c2d9)
- hon***, Jul 31, 2025: hon*** asks whether the document or matter belongs to the speaker or to someone else. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf11bd37c3cc3c1a2f53c)
- zci***, Jul 31, 2025: zci*** describes internal skepticism within the group regarding members' genuine intentions and background loyalties. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f63c205e8e3eea4466e)