# Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok): community discussion 026 Community discussion, batch 026 (Aug 9, 2025 – Aug 12, 2025), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Participants debated defense strategies and the implications of preliminary forfeiture order Document 720. A central dispute emerged over contacting prosecutors: some advocated sending real-name letters citing Brady rule violations and procedural defects, while others feared legal exposure from revealing true identities and doubted the legal efficacy of open letters. Additionally, members examined third-party claims, bankruptcy creditor fraud allegations, attorney representation motives, and internal organizational rifts regarding leadership lists and credibility. Firsthand participant accounts and investment experiences, preserved with dates, sources and reply context. English reading guide and paraphrases; Chinese source messages remain authoritative. ## Interpretation of Preliminary Forfeiture Order Document 720 and Third-Party Claim Procedures Participants analyze the procedural implications of preliminary forfeiture order Document 720 and dispute how third-party claims affect sentencing. - chu***, Aug 11, 2025: chu*** references court Document 720. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q07300fd3f1e5a8dfed60) - him***, Aug 11, 2025: him*** contends that the judge issued the forfeiture order without consulting the defense. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2954025b0bee0ef6ab70) - chu***, Aug 11, 2025: chu*** argues that sentencing cannot proceed until third-party disputes are fully resolved. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q58d82d86db639b293edf) ## Real-Name Letters to Prosecutors, Format Standards, and Security Risks Participants debate the logistics, formatting requirements, and risks of sending real-name communications directly to prosecutors. - rui***, Aug 9, 2025: rui*** asks other participants to resend the prosecutor's email address. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf820cdbdf3d997b24804) - rui***, Aug 10, 2025: rui*** states that their previous comment was intentionally made to frighten others. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q02845c07ea958fe57b58) - ntp***, Aug 12, 2025: ntp*** inquires whether emails sent to prosecutors need to be in signed PDF format. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4795d6a2964ef046cadf) ## Bankruptcy Creditor Registration and Criminal Fraud Allegations Participants examine the connection between bankruptcy creditor registrations and the prosecution's criminal fraud charges. - ntp***, Aug 9, 2025: ntp*** asks whether evidence was attached to the letter. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q56869ceee005fe8de62a) - gun***, Aug 10, 2025: gun*** asks whether the prosecution characterized the case as fraud based on the later emergence of numerous creditors. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q52012353c0bdcbb8f166) - him***, Aug 11, 2025: him*** contends that defense lawyers must plead not guilty if requested by the client, but might omit reasons if they disagree or are unmotivated. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4c24146d98ddbff112a1) ## Scrutiny of Gail's Legal Representation and Bankruptcy Creditor Status Participants question the motivations of attorney Gail and dispute the legitimacy of bankruptcy creditors claiming status as criminal victims. - 201***, Aug 10, 2025: 201*** asks peers to check court documents regarding whether purported exchange victims represented by Gail are registered like the other creditors. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q24ac8bacc3c8a34721b0) - ntp***, Aug 11, 2025: ntp*** asks if anyone has the link to Gail's livestream video. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7dc107d2755c101c1d6f) - ntp***, Aug 12, 2025: ntp*** asks where to find data on how many creditors registered before and after the Jan 23 livestream. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbe0914474538e4ed2b5d) ## Defense Arguments on Brady Rule Disclosures and Grand Jury Defects Participants discuss potential defense strategies concerning alleged Brady rule violations and procedural improprieties by prosecutors. - him***, Aug 9, 2025: him*** asks how someone can verify whether a communication actually came from Guo. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q448ab58bf86967d0abee) - rui***, Aug 11, 2025: rui*** argues that the prosecution violated procedural justice and the Brady rule by submitting misleading videos to deny bail. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q05771d2a554a13560f8f) - rui***, Aug 11, 2025: rui*** claims to have conceived a brilliant tactic. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7f9334201c48f58be2ef) ## Investor Status, Investment Types, and Third-Party Motion Eligibility Participants discuss qualifications for third-party motions and how to verify legal representation status under attorney Gail. - zha***, Aug 12, 2025: zha*** asks whether one should verify or revoke representation with attorney Gail prior to sending submissions. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q560283d98458e02d4686) - ntp***, Aug 12, 2025: ntp*** states that they have already cancelled Gail's representation. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc47d7e12803c7d2cd367) - zha***, Aug 12, 2025: zha*** notes that Gail confirmed ntp*** was on the list and asks what motion and arguments will be asserted. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd26320a650fde919a225) ## Verification of Guo Mei Communications and Family Members in Court Filings Participants evaluate communications attributed to Guo Mei and recount court filings regarding family expenditures. - hon***, Aug 9, 2025: hon*** asks whether certain organizers fled and questions the registration of 8,000 people. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5e7d2c80a4398879148c) - zha***, Aug 9, 2025: zha*** asks how the contact plans to verify if the person is genuinely Guo Mei. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q681383c92a99bf6a6f61) - him***, Aug 9, 2025: him*** recounts that court filings showed Guo Mei paying people to attend court proceedings and visit the Mahwah estate. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6b64bd70cfb224e23e15) ## Speculation Regarding the 18th-Floor Fire and Apartment Residents Participants discuss suspicions surrounding the 18th-floor fire and speculate about individuals present at the residence. - hon***, Aug 10, 2025: hon*** asks who started the fire on the 18th floor. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0925efa48f7749b495ab) - gun***, Aug 11, 2025: gun*** questions whether a foreign woman previously involved was an undercover FBI operative. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5c5ef904f4cde566a148) ## Internal Restructuring, Leader Lists, and Overseas Recovery by Liquidators Participants recount internal conflicts, expulsion from communication channels, and controversies surrounding movement figures. - rui***, Aug 9, 2025: rui*** states that the alliance and old team leaders encouraged people to register. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0db9dd6a5be93a9bc7d4) - art***, Aug 10, 2025: art*** describes being expelled from DC Freedom Farm and having their membership revoked after exposing internal figures in a chat room. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1ee60250d44f009d8fe4) - sar***, Aug 11, 2025: sar*** expresses strong anger and disillusionment toward prominent organizer Chenchen. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5e75f43f3cd441f2dc5b)