# Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok): community discussion 027 Community discussion, batch 027 (Aug 12, 2025 – Aug 16, 2025), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Participants examine legal procedures, evidence legality, and advocacy strategies in ongoing judicial proceedings, focusing heavily on alleged Brady violations and prosecutorial misconduct to pursue retrials or appeals. Discussions address the authenticity of bankruptcy court creditor lists, asset forfeiture under Section 853, and initial arrest grounds. While some urge direct filings to prosecutors and courts, others dispute the prudence of unvetted submissions, weighing legal risks, stakeholder standing, and counsel loyalty. Firsthand participant accounts and investment experiences, preserved with dates, sources and reply context. English reading guide and paraphrases; Chinese source messages remain authoritative. ## Discussing Investment Projects, Loan Characteristics, and Expectations for HCoin and Overturning the Case Participants discuss their personal legal standing, lack of coin purchases, and overseas livelihood. - sar***, Aug 12, 2025: sar*** contends that they can only remain an outsider rather than a third party, comparing their courtroom standing to Bannon's. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q880fe0aec37c48b62546) - sar***, Aug 12, 2025: sar*** clarifies that they did not purchase Momo coins. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe4025e792324e319619f) - sar***, Aug 12, 2025: sar*** recounts that living overseas for many years and relying on personal capability makes their survival manageable. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6f8d183fb683dea0a08e) ## Debating Missed Opportunities for HCoin and Secondary Market Cash-Out Controversies Participants evaluate whether HCoin missed crypto market booms and debate who would have profited. - duo***, Aug 12, 2025: duo*** laments that HCoin missed major profit opportunities during the recent cryptocurrency boom due to Brother Seven's legal trouble. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q353120b41c3a30daec4b) - zha***, Aug 12, 2025: zha*** disputes this, arguing that those who would have profited most were infiltrators and detractors whose coins were unlocked. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc1aa8d83b2f0c2cac942) - ntp***, Aug 12, 2025: ntp*** expresses regret that all these opportunities were completely missed. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfd4276c1e6d87fe8189e) ## Disputes Over Investor Standing, Farm Loans, and the Scope of Asset Forfeiture Participants deliberate legal standing as stakeholders and the appropriateness of submitting letters to the prosecution. - sar***, Aug 12, 2025: sar*** questions whether they are merely an onlooker rather than a stakeholder, noting that holding HID might confer stakeholder status. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1c5429992a87c27381ed) - sar***, Aug 12, 2025: sar*** considers themselves unsuitable to write letters to the prosecution. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2ff7bd0e7c81b69c82f5) - hon***, Aug 12, 2025: hon*** asserts that the matter is not related to VOG. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa61bb93c72c9e2ba3e1f) ## Exploring Channels, Protocols, and AI Advice for Submitting Brady Material to Prosecutors and Courts Participants discuss procedures for submitting Brady evidence and seek advice before contacting authorities. - zha***, Aug 12, 2025: zha*** urges waiting for knowledgeable participants before distributing documents, cautioning that missteps could harm Brother Seven's case. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa5695c7227c37fc1b2ba) - zha***, Aug 12, 2025: zha*** agrees that knowledgeable peers should determine how investors ought to draft and submit their filings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qee4852f080763750fd3c) - 201***, Aug 12, 2025: 201*** outlines three filing avenues—contacting lead prosecutors, going through defense counsel, or filing cautiously with the court—and favors contacting prosecutors first. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb57f18b6d8ab9c6b2998) ## Debating Prosecution Response Strategies, Asset Claim Procedures, and Judicial Sentencing Participants assess interactions with defense lawyers and legal mechanisms for asset recovery under Section 853. - xin***, Aug 13, 2025: xin*** asks whether the attorneys have responded to the group. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf0588e8068311951b6f9) - reb***, Aug 13, 2025: reb*** contends that those who fail to assert rights under Section 853 risk having assets distributed to illegitimate creditors, leaving them with protracted litigation. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8fee8bfa07ed1286031b) - rui***, Aug 13, 2025: rui*** suggests jointly submitting Brady material when the time comes. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q60f2eef5a8dd3fcdf782) ## Discussions on Emailing Prosecutors, Calling Prosecutorial Offices, and Sharing Brady Evidence Participants evaluate confidentiality notices in court filings and discuss communicating with prosecutors. - ntp***, Aug 13, 2025: ntp*** notes a confidentiality notice in Document 260-1 containing prosecutors' email addresses and questions whether sending emails could cause problems. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q50c3e1e9b085ed4479bf) - rui***, Aug 13, 2025: rui*** remarks that prosecutors cannot know whether the group guessed the email addresses or acquired them otherwise. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1090d3c5590babf0c8f7) - hon***, Aug 13, 2025: hon*** criticizes past administrations, arguing that adverse selection prevented capable individuals from succeeding. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4bbf7ae545233b7ad608) ## Deliberating Brady Violations and Procedural Injustice as Grounds for Overturn or Appeal Participants coordinate immediate collective action to serve Brady-related materials to the prosecution. - rui***, Aug 15, 2025: rui*** calls for the group to undertake an immediate action. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc3e0b2434e65231cff03) - rui***, Aug 15, 2025: rui*** insists that the group must serve Brady material to the prosecution. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8f7b4b32712affe75974) - rui***, Aug 15, 2025: rui*** affirms the proposed course of action. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd887a66a415dbb548e4e) ## Examining Arrest Grounds, Impact of GTV Settlement on Prosecution, and Offense Classifications Participants discuss the prosecution's initial grounds for arrest and explore alternate angles to challenge the case. - rui***, Aug 15, 2025: rui*** points out that creditors cannot overturn the case because the thousands of alleged victims at the initial arrest originated from the earlier GTV private placement. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q93e253aafa4744357ae6) - rui***, Aug 15, 2025: rui*** expresses frustration regarding the underlying circumstances of the case. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8fce4e872075287a4d1d) - rui***, Aug 15, 2025: rui*** suggests approaching the legal situation from a different angle. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q985de511f3120afa9cd5) ## Examining Strategies in Arizona Litigation to Challenge Victim Status and Present Court Evidence Participants discuss challenging an individual's victim claim in court and pursuing third-party private prosecution. - hon***, Aug 15, 2025: hon*** contemplates how to address the judge to seek recovery of funds from Xia Qidong and challenge the disbursement of money without proper investigation. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf970dcb15044e5c9bfce) - hon***, Aug 15, 2025: hon*** denounces the individual's claims of fleeing Germany for safety reasons as deceptive. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64bf6aee9807fd32ec0d) - rui***, Aug 15, 2025: rui*** advises bringing a direct legal action as a third party. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4cd38cf280f171bfb140) ## Examining Steps and Standing Limitations for Filing Claims as Stakeholders or Under Section 853 Participants discuss initiating proceedings under Section 853 to test judicial attitudes. - reb***, Aug 16, 2025: reb*** states their intention to handle the matter according to their proposed plan. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q743f65fc604a4b996975) - ntp***, Aug 16, 2025: ntp*** responds with a question mark seeking clarification. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q825df503909dd774bcb6) - rui***, Aug 16, 2025: rui*** suggests that reb*** proceed first with the Section 853 filing to gauge the judge's reaction. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6e2e9cf9d45a4a04c88e) ## Debating Bankruptcy Creditor Allegations, Prosecutorial Misconduct, and Conspiracy Claims Participants examine the legal mechanics of dismissing charges over prosecutorial misconduct and the link between creditors and conspiracy filings. - reb***, Aug 16, 2025: reb*** argues that intentional prosecutorial misconduct undermining core evidence can destroy the prosecution's credibility and warrant case dismissal or acquittal. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf8ab42c08030c60fa757) - rui***, Aug 16, 2025: rui*** observes that the judge is unaware of the group's Brady-related exchanges with the prosecution. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9c38ad7da411cb7b2952) - rui***, Aug 16, 2025: rui*** inquires about the relationship between two conspiracy documents and the creditors. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe2714bacc75af79567ef)