# Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok): community discussion 029

Community discussion, batch 029 (Aug 23, 2025 – Aug 28, 2025), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. From Aug 23, 2025 to Aug 28, 2025, this batch focused on the Guo Wen case, with participants disputing how to pursue asset recovery and how to judge contested prison-call recordings. Discussion split between a criminal-court petition path under 853(n), victim registration, and bankruptcy filing options, while also debating the Gale agency clause and possible rescission. Members argued over HCN/HDO token sales, leadership motives, and internal faction alignment, with no verified court findings presented. Community statements, not court findings.

English reading guide and paraphrases; Chinese source messages remain authoritative.

## Debate on the authenticity of Guo Wen prison calls and AI-synthesis allegations

Participants argued over whether the prison-call recordings were authentic, with some doubting them and others treating multiple details as real despite uncertainty. Community statements, not court findings.

- yes***, Aug 27, 2025: Participant yes*** said he hoped the calls were fake but accepted, based on shared details, that they were probably real and not obviously manufactured, while permitting others to keep skepticism. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4161639996d084c2ec32)
- gun***, Aug 27, 2025: Participant gun*** challenged whether further doubt was even necessary, implying the calls’ credibility should be accepted. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q33ce58f5ce80bd220456)
## Asset recovery-channel debate: 853(n) petition, victim registration, and government forfeiture expectations

Participants contended over whether to prioritize a 853(n) criminal petition, victim registry protections, or other recovery mechanisms, arguing that funds should be protected from fraudulent claims. Community statements, not court findings.

- him***, Aug 26, 2025: Participant him*** argued for preserving money and contesting what they saw as false claims. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q148351f57b6ee4659bdb)
- him***, Aug 26, 2025: Participant him*** used a slogan-style remark ('destroy communism, comrade'), reflecting political framing within the dispute over recovery strategy. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6260a969abf979bc87cf)
## Questions about Gaoer agreement wording legality, debt registration, and rescission

Participants disputed whether the Gaoer agreement’s case references were proper, and whether later motions based on that text could justify challenging or rescinding related claims. Community statements, not court findings.

- ntp***, Aug 26, 2025: Participant ntp*** questioned if the Gaoer agreement mention of the case was a carried-over term or an inserted addition. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfefb9f65dd7cdeddc837)
- yes***, Aug 27, 2025: Participant yes*** warned that alliance narratives seemed accepted as true while still noting clipped or uncertain full content, so reliability remained contested. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qccd5cf21bb7f411445e8)
## Third-party complaint-motion filing channels, notice verification, and claim-blocking process

Participants argued over practical filing routes for third-party motions, sharing links and comparing whether court notice checks and submission pathways could overcome obstacles to claims. Community statements, not court findings.

- hon***, Aug 26, 2025: Participant hon*** shared an external X post in the context of discussing filing channels for third-party actions. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe4e492aa0de11d1eac6a)
- ntp***, Aug 26, 2025: Participant ntp*** posted another X reference while the group argued about how to submit third-party motions and verify procedural notices. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb4f6d5b7a8164cdf8ee2)
## HCN/HDO token nature disputes, high-level sell-offs, and fraud allegations

Participants argued that HCN/HDO were being portrayed as either scam-like projects or self-responsible investments, with claims of early token promotion and opportunistic exits driving the losses. Community statements, not court findings.

- joy***, Aug 24, 2025: Participant joy*** claimed the project was heavily marketed as a scam token. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf61c2948df9ba15336b9)
- yes***, Aug 27, 2025: Participant yes*** asserted that Guo said the fund earned substantial profits from HCN by selling while others held locked tokens. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe78ebd605b4f08604f6d)
- ntp***, Aug 27, 2025: Participant ntp*** suggested that the issue might involve participants liquidating HDO. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q34bcc1fe90a3590dbafa)
## Contradictions in court materials and resistance to filing defendant-facing statements

Participants disputed whether court materials were being accepted, with some concerned their submissions might be blocked and others questioning whether filing was strategically helping or harming the defended figure. Community statements, not court findings.

- rim***, Aug 23, 2025: Participant rim*** asked a contributor to write carefully so others could judge whether the document supported or harmed Qige. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1a7621bc3b73ebba0fdb)
- chu***, Aug 27, 2025: Participant chu*** asked whether the court would continue to block their filing, indicating perceived ongoing resistance to document submission. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q75b280a2b5ed26a9ed68)
## Factional positioning, motive accusations, and internal disputes

Participants argued over trustworthiness and intent inside the group, with one side attacking newcomer accounts as hostile and another challenging critics as allies who claim to defend the same cause. Community statements, not court findings.

- sar***, Aug 23, 2025: Participant sar*** described a new flag-branded account as likely untrustworthy, expressing initial distrust. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc9ece018a2447e3f9dce)
- rim***, Aug 23, 2025: Participant rim*** mocked those seen as pretending to be comrades while criticizing Qige, accusing them of double-standard allegations. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q454ee3839c261557ee22)
## Farm management role, recovery routes, and attitudinal reflection

Participants reflected on accountability and timing, including whether key pre-incident remarks already signaled issues and whether secondary-market exposure and losses were ultimately the investors’ own responsibility. Community statements, not court findings.

- fen***, Aug 28, 2025: Participant fen*** argued that an earlier statement by Changdao before '315' had already exposed the situation. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8e032676ebd530e8c3e0)
- him***, Aug 26, 2025: Participant him*** claimed Guo had already acknowledged that secondary-market participants were responsible for that route. Community statements, not court findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64b26bf7a3cb92f996b4)