# Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok): community discussion 029 Community discussion, batch 029 (Aug 23, 2025 – Aug 28, 2025), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Participants debated recovery avenues for seized assets, arguing whether to pursue criminal court 853(n) ancillary petitions, register as victims, or file claims in bankruptcy court. Serious disputes erupted over the authenticity of leaked prison call recordings, with members questioning whether the audio was AI-generated while others insisted it was genuine. Discussions also scrutinized legal representation agreements, alleged cryptocurrency sell-offs involving Himalaya Coin, and internal factional conflicts alongside pro se court filings. Firsthand participant accounts and investment experiences, preserved with dates, sources and reply context. English reading guide and paraphrases; Chinese source messages remain authoritative. ## Debate Over Authenticity and AI-Generation Suspicions of Prison Call Audio Participants dispute the authenticity of leaked detention recordings, debating whether the audio was artificially generated or captured from an alliance call. - yes***, Aug 27, 2025: yes*** contends that the call recordings are genuine despite wishing otherwise, asserting that alliance leaders heard them during a multi-party conference call likely recorded by Tang Ping. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4161639996d084c2ec32) - gun***, Aug 27, 2025: gun*** contends that the situation is obvious and questions why anyone would even doubt it. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q33ce58f5ce80bd220456) ## Debate on Asset Claim Channels: 853(n) Petitions, Victim Registration, and Government Forfeiture Participants debate legal avenues for recovering seized funds, comparing criminal 853(n) petitions with victim restitution procedures. - him***, Aug 26, 2025: him*** argues for demanding money back, safeguarding assets, and challenging fraudulent claims. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q148351f57b6ee4659bdb) - him***, Aug 26, 2025: him*** urges fellow members to remain dedicated to opposing the Chinese Communist Party. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6260a969abf979bc87cf) ## Questions Regarding Gale Representation Agreements, Legal Language, and Creditor Filing Participants scrutinize the wording of Gale's representation agreement and debate the legitimacy of collective legal representation. - ntp***, Aug 26, 2025: ntp*** questions whether the reference to the Guo case in Gale's retainer corresponds to earlier clauses on forfeited exchange assets or was inserted independently. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfefb9f65dd7cdeddc837) - yes***, Aug 27, 2025: yes*** contends that the phone calls described by alliance management are genuine, though whether the recordings were selectively edited remains unconfirmed. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qccd5cf21bb7f411445e8) ## Submission Channels for Third-Party Pro Se Motions and Notice Verification Participants circulate information regarding channels for submitting third-party pro se court motions and verifying legal notices. - hon***, Aug 26, 2025: hon*** shares an external post concerning third-party motions and claim procedures. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe4e492aa0de11d1eac6a) - ntp***, Aug 26, 2025: ntp*** shares an external social media post detailing legal notices and filing workflows. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb4f6d5b7a8164cdf8ee2) ## Controversy Over Himalaya Coin and Momo Token, Sell-Offs, and Fraud Allegations Participants argue over allegations of fraudulent cryptocurrency promotion and suspected token sell-offs by affiliated funds. - joy***, Aug 24, 2025: joy*** accuses a promoter of aggressively peddling fraudulent cryptocurrency tokens. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf61c2948df9ba15336b9) - yes***, Aug 27, 2025: yes*** recalls past broadcast statements alleging that an affiliated fund profited heavily by selling Himalaya Coins while supporters kept their tokens locked. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe78ebd605b4f08604f6d) - ntp***, Aug 27, 2025: ntp*** asks whether the situation indicates that someone was simply cashing out their own HDO holdings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q34bcc1fe90a3590dbafa) ## Contradictions in Court Filings and Resistance to Pro Se Document Submissions Participants discuss obstacles and scrutiny surrounding the submission of individual legal filings to the court. - rim***, Aug 23, 2025: rim*** tells another participant to draft their filing carefully to see whether it supports or harms their leader. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1a7621bc3b73ebba0fdb) - chu***, Aug 27, 2025: chu*** describes waiting to see whether the court will continue obstructing the submission of their documents. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q75b280a2b5ed26a9ed68) ## Factional Alignments, Suspicions of Motives, and Internal Strife Participants confront one another over alleged factional motives and disguised opposition within the community. - sar***, Aug 23, 2025: sar*** describes noticing a high-profile new account posting videos and suspects that the user has harmful intentions. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc9ece018a2447e3f9dce) - rim***, Aug 23, 2025: rim*** argues that opponents pretend to be fellow fighters while working to cause harm. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q454ee3839c261557ee22) ## Reflections on Farm Management Roles, Loss Recovery, and Investor Responsibility Participants reflect on farm leadership accountability and personal responsibility regarding secondary-market token investments. - fen***, Aug 28, 2025: fen*** contends that a farm leader exposed his disloyalty through dismissive remarks regarding members' past contributions. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8e032676ebd530e8c3e0) - him***, Aug 26, 2025: him*** recalls past instructions stating that participants entering through the secondary market must take personal responsibility for their losses. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64b26bf7a3cb92f996b4)