# Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok): community discussion 030 Community discussion, batch 030 (Aug 28, 2025 – Aug 29, 2025), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Participants debate strategies for seeking restitution and asset forfeiture, clashing over whether to file pro se petitions under 21 U.S.C. § 853(n) or the Crime Victims' Rights Act to expose alleged fraud, or pursue routine administrative remission. While some argue pro se filings risk dismissal under filing restriction orders such as ECF 528 and ECF 596, others contest the clerk’s screening authority and judicial due process after submissions fail to docket. Firsthand participant accounts and investment experiences, preserved with dates, sources and reply context. English reading guide and paraphrases; Chinese source messages remain authoritative. ## Divergent Paths Between Section 853(n) Pro Se Petitions and Prosecution Remission Claims Participants debate whether to file pro se petitions under Section 853(n) or submit administrative remission claims to the government. - goh***, Aug 28, 2025: goh*** contends that the government is seizing assets and urges participants claiming ownership to petition promptly before forfeiture concludes. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q91a5d7d09f41198a5154) - him***, Aug 28, 2025: him*** argues that the forfeiture link is solely for claiming funds and contends that challenging false claims requires filing pro se. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc2817885cf0b5e61c045) - rod***, Aug 28, 2025: rod*** describes that many participants wired funds to accounts omitted from the notice, arguing that those claims can only be sent by mail. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeb362c6d757e74dbfb4d) ## Debating Rights Protection Strategies: Creditor Registration versus Court Submissions Exposing the Alliance Participants weigh recovering funds through creditor registration against submitting evidence in court to expose farm and alliance operations. - zha***, Aug 28, 2025: zha*** asks whether they should reject both options and instead email the court to appear. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q199542e3c2cb79085790) - ntp***, Aug 28, 2025: ntp*** tells zha*** to make the decision independently. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64977788c219eda9047a) - zha***, Aug 29, 2025: zha*** contends that this approach connects the alliance farms to the investments, questioning missing funds and the expulsion of investors. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q61bf219e69a248a17e9c) ## Exploring Motion Drafting Details and Boundaries of Victim Status in Court Submissions Participants discuss drafting formats for pro se motions and clarify the scope of claiming personal victim status. - rod***, Aug 28, 2025: rod*** asks another participant to verify whether the template sent in private chat matches the required motion format. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q12d84c6e371142a3e859) - ntp***, Aug 28, 2025: ntp*** notes that the other participant's objective is obtaining money, stating they have not researched that issue. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qda4cf3ad1aeb43701e36) - him***, Aug 28, 2025: him*** contends that motion ECF 522 clearly explains the relevant points. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q97d7637ec13630fa0fdc) ## Analysis of Non-Docketed Third-Party Pro Se Filings and Scrutiny of Court Review Authority Participants examine why third-party submissions were not docketed and question the screening authority of the clerk's office. - chu***, Aug 28, 2025: chu*** requests that members with strong English call the court to ask why their filing was not docketed and when third parties may intervene before the sixty-day deadline expires. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb708e86a8c39fa76f7ea) - reb***, Aug 29, 2025: reb*** argues that blocking Section 853(n) petitions touches due process, citing U.S. v. Fafalios and suggesting steps such as preserving records and submitting strategic motions. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q39c5041ce482342ed35c) - him***, Aug 29, 2025: him*** provides the telephone number for the court's pro se department. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcfe6828ffca5351a898f) ## Examining the Impact of Restriction Orders ECF 528 and ECF 596 on Non-Party Filings Participants review court orders ECF 528 and ECF 596 regarding screening mechanisms and restrictions on non-party submissions. - pz0***, Aug 29, 2025: pz0*** quotes from orders ECF 528 and ECF 596 regarding improper non-party filings and judicial pre-screening requirements. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qef3e613a00a3a9034daa) - ntp***, Aug 29, 2025: ntp*** asks which court order instructed the clerk to screen submissions. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0c0fd3834943848b38ff) - him***, Aug 29, 2025: him*** identifies the screening order as ECF 528. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa6786977461acd5d4104) ## Criticism and Reflection on Farm Leader Accountability, Coercive Stability, and Victim Hardships Participants criticize farm leaders for handling of investments and reflect on the treatment of dissenting investors. - zha***, Aug 29, 2025: zha*** asserts that these circumstances are widely understood among investors and would become obvious upon thorough inquiry. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1b264fc8cb30f7d56d96) - rui***, Aug 29, 2025: rui*** asks whether prosecutors objected to Gal while not opposing Luc. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7a412c2ccf82aa5d09ff) - ntp***, Aug 29, 2025: ntp*** asks which farm was involved and expresses surprise that the member was not expelled. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qff78dda4394845ba4165) ## Confrontation Over Creditor Registration Legitimacy, Financial Losses, and Personal Allegiances Participants confront each other over claims of financial loss, credibility of creditor registrations, and suspected motives. - rim***, Aug 29, 2025: rim*** accuses rui*** of manufacturing the case, tricking fellow members into registering as victims, and fearing pro se submissions. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9053188a893935c611e9) - rui***, Aug 29, 2025: rui*** recounts not losing 600,000 to the alleged scammer regardless of assigned tasks. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc266bb8dd62116e0a14b) - rim***, Aug 29, 2025: rim*** attacks rui*** as deceitful and insults members who align with them. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0c66de040b1e8c59a599) ## Clashes Over Pro- and Anti-Guo Factions, the Definition of 'Fellow Fighters', and Chatroom Atmosphere Participants clash over factional divisions between supporters and opponents and discuss disillusionment within the movement. - zci***, Aug 28, 2025: zci*** asks another participant whether they oppose Guo. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf5975e79d14b39a78d8a) - zci***, Aug 28, 2025: zci*** expresses curiosity regarding how the final five percent will experience the conclusion of the movement. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7c139c45df0249f30f22) - zci***, Aug 28, 2025: zci*** argues that ordinary individuals should expose the alliance to persuade adherents who still believe the alliance and Guo share common goals. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2deec8692a74e52430e7)