# Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok): community discussion 036 Community discussion, batch 036 (Sep 10, 2025 – Sep 13, 2025), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Discussions centered on court filings including ECF 739, 742, 744, 745, and 747, debating whether motions took statements out of context and threatened to mischaracterize victims as co-conspirators. Participants disputed recovery paths, contrasting attempts to overturn convictions through prosecutorial misconduct claims, Rule 29, Rule 33, or appeals with statutory remission and ancillary proceedings. Further disagreements emerged over placing assets with an independent trustee, farm owners' criminal culpability, and prioritizing legal protection over political advocacy. Firsthand participant accounts and investment experiences, preserved with dates, sources and reply context. English reading guide and paraphrases; Chinese source messages remain authoritative. ## Debate over Signatories' Authenticity in Court Filings and Member Identities Participants debate the authentic identities of court filing signatories and dispute alleged ties between group members and the prosecution. - ntp***, Sep 10, 2025: ntp*** contends that the prosecution's informants are simply the Alliance itself. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd0f182a1325c08a6863f) - chu***, Sep 10, 2025: chu*** argues that the figures involved increasingly resemble the prosecution. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1d4d0adba421f532f604) - rui***, Sep 10, 2025: rui*** disputes the focus of the discussion, asserting that none of these claims are the main point. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q828bfb753dec27a55fd5) ## Discussion on Motions 739 and 742 Alleging Out-of-Context Claims and Impact on Victims Participants discuss court motions, arguing that filings cite online hearsay out of context to the detriment of victims. - hon***, Sep 10, 2025: hon*** argues that political opponents are targeting them and disputes that Ryan fears appearing in court. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f8f30715b08d6a9abb5) - him***, Sep 10, 2025: him*** contends that document 793 relies on internet hearsay taken out of context. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q50fa70ad3e3e8ea38454) - rui***, Sep 10, 2025: rui*** contends that Guo was targeted and brought down by this hostile faction. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q21355d5d605aab77d4b8) ## Proposing a Motion Under 21 U.S.C. § 853 to Transfer Trustee-Controlled Assets to an Independent Third Party Participants explore filing a motion under 21 U.S.C. § 853 to place assets under an independent receiver due to alleged trustee depletion. - reb***, Sep 11, 2025: reb*** argues that 21 U.S.C. § 853 and procedural rules support transferring assets to an independent custodian, citing document 724 regarding sixty million dollars allegedly spent by Luc. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q06dccbd95f36cee29636) - rui***, Sep 11, 2025: rui*** contends that the evidence confirms Luc actively undermined victims' interests under Section 853. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb209464bf50494099490) - rui***, Sep 11, 2025: rui*** asserts a firm determination to refuse to let the issue go. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qedc662eff67157cc809c) ## Debate Over Remission in Motion 742 and Victim Eligibility in Section 853 Proceedings Participants dispute the premise of motion 742 regarding remission and discuss submitting court evidence to preserve victim claims. - rui***, Sep 11, 2025: rui*** vehemently disputes the assertion in motion 742 that remission is the sole avenue for compensation. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbcdb5f703f089ac2f4e2) - rui***, Sep 11, 2025: rui*** contends that restricting relief to remission effectively silences and harms victims. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf2293ccb3e467183ea1a) - reb***, Sep 11, 2025: reb*** advises submitting direct evidence to the court by citing document 724. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q41f466acd6c7aaf2638b) ## Discussions on Bankruptcy Trustee Funds, Allegations Against Prosecutors, and Legal Countermeasures Participants discuss the specific sources of funds managed by the bankruptcy trustee and critique automated legal interpretations. - rui***, Sep 11, 2025: rui*** questions whether the funds allegedly wasted by Luc originated from Guo's confiscated assets or affiliated foundation accounts. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeb0a3a313ea0f2b424a2) - rui***, Sep 11, 2025: rui*** asks specifically whether the dissipated capital belonged to entities such as the Rule of Law Foundation. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc331ee5d2926f53a11d4) - rui***, Sep 11, 2025: rui*** contends that Grok provides overly rigid answers when analyzing these legal matters. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe052d46d62fb8c436c5d) ## Evaluating Prosecutorial Misconduct and the Feasibility of Overturning Convictions via Appeals or Rules 29 and 33 Participants debate avenues to overturn convictions, comparing post-sentencing appeals, Rule 29, Rule 33, and prosecutorial misconduct claims. - ntp***, Sep 11, 2025: ntp*** argues that pressure should be used to invalidate the bail denial rather than expending energy confronting the government directly. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q24d5f9a96d71caf06943) - rui***, Sep 11, 2025: rui*** contends that Guo can overturn the conviction through post-sentencing appeals, Rule 29, Rule 33, or proving prejudicial prosecutorial misconduct. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q96ff33ab20fb4035d1b0) - hon***, Sep 11, 2025: hon*** asks what transpired regarding document 716. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd679ded91af19247ad3b) ## Dispute over Farm Leaders' Legal Status as Principal Perpetrators versus Co-Conspirators Participants debate whether farm leaders should be legally categorized as principal perpetrators or merely co-conspirators in the case. - hon***, Sep 11, 2025: hon*** argues that participants are victims of the Alliance farms and contends that farm leaders are principal perpetrators rather than mere co-conspirators. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q39bdb7ae19fce169cad5) - hah***, Sep 11, 2025: hah*** posts a media attachment during the exchange without accompanying text. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q61f3067c69d95fc93ff5) - ntp***, Sep 11, 2025: ntp*** contends that this reaction represents their expected behavior. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9a8e0feff5a1a75f362d) ## Reviewing Motions 742 and 744: Victim Status Disputes, Conspiracy Claims, and Independent Third-Party Custody Participants evaluate motions 742 and 744, arguing over victim standing, remission, and whether filings should demand asset return rather than overturning convictions. - rod***, Sep 11, 2025: rod*** strongly criticizes motion 742, arguing that any pursuit of remission must first require ousting Luc. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd2026b449bf7c777fcb3) - rod***, Sep 11, 2025: rod*** contends that document 733 does not seek to overturn convictions, but merely demands removing Luc and returning funds to victims. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdf65bea42aa14b9bd329) - rui***, Sep 11, 2025: rui*** argues that filings by victims should naturally refrain from requesting that the criminal verdict be overturned. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf60d0af72720f1ca0174) ## Procedures, Clerk Screening, and Formatting Challenges for Submitting Pro Se Court Filings Participants discuss procedural and technical hurdles in lodging pro se submissions and track docketed filing 747. - zha***, Sep 10, 2025: zha*** asks if the speaker's email address was blacklisted and suggests testing a different account. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q716d082ce6fb42e50b8d) - rui***, Sep 12, 2025: rui*** notes that document 747 has appeared on the court docket. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc024b604a464617b46e3) - reb***, Sep 13, 2025: reb*** suggests downloading an application package from an external platform to complete installation. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa7d06487a236c23be8bd) ## Debate Over Collective Action Objectives and Prioritizing Substantive Merits Versus Procedural Justice Participants debate whether the collective focus should be litigating substantive fraud allegations separately or adhering strictly to existing legal procedures. - rui***, Sep 11, 2025: rui*** contends that any allegations regarding whether Guo committed fraud should be adjudicated in a separate prosecution. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qed1b60115972da54baba) - rod***, Sep 11, 2025: rod*** contends that attempting to overturn these proceedings risks causing harm to American taxpayers. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb035ec2cde2c096e05e4) - rui***, Sep 13, 2025: rui*** disputes assumptions about capability, questioning whether the party lacks ability or merely chooses not to exercise it. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q896fec4d28430519b413)