# Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok): community discussion 040 Community discussion, batch 040 (Sep 21, 2025 – Sep 23, 2025), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Participants debated procedural strategies for submitting 853(n) petitions and CVRA motions, emphasizing impending filing deadlines and the preservation of submission receipts. While some members advocated filing pro se via email to challenge prosecutorial misconduct and the bankruptcy trustee, others contended such motions blur criminal forfeiture with bankruptcy liquidation. Sharp disagreements emerged over attorney Geyer's representation, referencing Doc 733 and Doc 528, alongside ECF access and potential appeals. Firsthand participant accounts and investment experiences, preserved with dates, sources and reply context. English reading guide and paraphrases; Chinese source messages remain authoritative. ## Urgency of Submitting 853(n) and CVRA Motions and Risk of Interception Participants discuss the pressing deadline for filing 853(n) and CVRA motions while warning that subsequent submissions might be blocked. - zha***, Sep 21, 2025: zha*** asks whether the thirty-day deadline is approaching, proposing to submit the 853(n) petition first while revising the CVRA version. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8aa241b4d7c9a2967e60) - rui***, Sep 21, 2025: rui*** contends that all subsequent filings will be intercepted and calls for deploying stronger measures. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8244552604111c630e91) ## Preserving Proof of Submission, Handling Undocketed Filings, and Escalating Countermeasures Participants suggest practical steps to maintain submission records and handle motions that fail to appear on the docket. - goh***, Sep 21, 2025: goh*** advises retaining mailing receipts, CM/ECF confirmations, and email receipts, recommending emailing chambers with a copy to the DOJ and filing a letter motion if documents are not docketed. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5b7f565697ae9fa59524) - him***, Sep 21, 2025: him*** suggests discussing the matter with automated tools, contending that group members are non-professionals who represent only themselves. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q74d233cf4b2c6b069895) ## Drafting Elements for 853(n) and CVRA Petitions, Brady Claims, and Bankruptcy Trustee Issues Participants deliberate on key points for drafting 853(n) petitions and recall lessons from previous proceedings. - zha***, Sep 21, 2025: zha*** asks if the 853(n) petition can be simplified to claim ownership of the money and assert that authorities cannot take it. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q606fae578b9346619393) - hon***, Sep 21, 2025: hon*** contends that participants failed to learn lessons from earlier cases or the disappearance of three hundred petitions in Yanping Wang's matter. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe873bf66e59c6d388029) ## Proposals for Public Mobilization and Protests if Filings Are Rejected Participants consider strategic responses if the court refuses to accept filings and note the recipients of court emails. - rui***, Sep 21, 2025: rui*** argues that the priority should be addressing what to do if filings are blocked rather than focusing on drafting 853 petitions. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q09167fe61c9bfa49865a) - chu***, Sep 21, 2025: chu*** notes that the email addresses in question belong to the prosecution. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf68a1c5e13f1d3c7460b) ## Speculation on Electronic Court Receipts and Preserving Evidence Participants discuss anomalies with electronic email receipts from the court and urge retaining mailing records. - him***, Sep 21, 2025: him*** asks why automated receipts for pro se emails have stopped and advises retaining email proof or postal receipts. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf9fd80f4b8ce94abef68) - ntp***, Sep 21, 2025: ntp*** describes how automated email replies have ceased after previously arriving instantly. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qce4579a05d57663df8dc) ## Debate over Victim Status, Legal Motives, and Referencing Document 733 Participants argue over identifying as victims under the CVRA and discuss referencing attorney Geyer's Document 478. - an7***, Sep 22, 2025: an7*** argues that claiming victim status under the CVRA is exactly what the prosecution wants to see. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0f19b7b74917af3559d8) - an7***, Sep 22, 2025: an7*** advises that those pursuing claims should reference Geyer's Document 478 to designate themselves as financial victims of government or trustee seizures rather than fraud victims of the defendant. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q438198a70939636f5492) ## Controversy over Attorney Geyer's Role, Conspiracy Allegations, and Representation Strategies Participants dispute whether attorney Geyer's actions protect member assets or tie them to alleged co-conspirators. - an7***, Sep 22, 2025: an7*** argues that Document 478 shows Geyer faithfully represented clients by opposing government forfeiture and framing exchange customers as financial victims of asset seizures. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q058bb4b47768aef7adf9) - rui***, Sep 22, 2025: rui*** contends that Geyer represents co-conspirators and declares a need to draw a clear line against them. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc50b37c6f1d85824ecdf) ## Dispute over Targeting the Prosecution Versus the Trustee and Deciding Victim Roles Participants discuss the relevance of court filings and debate personal autonomy in claiming victim status. - chu***, Sep 22, 2025: chu*** notes that Document 392 is relatively important. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd5556e86e4cc0e342278) - him***, Sep 22, 2025: him*** contends that choosing whether to act as a victim is each individual's own decision without needing external coaxing. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0b00013269d2bb9c1000) ## Clashes over Court Email Bounces, Document 528 Orders, ECF Access, and Member Authenticity Participants exchange criticisms regarding court procedural comprehension and navigation of English legal filings. - pz0***, Sep 23, 2025: pz0*** contends that group members are behaving like habitual petitioners. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q40cd2b0a9e0b9ef059e7) - pz0***, Sep 23, 2025: pz0*** criticizes members for being unable to comprehend English filings or use the PACER system. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf7ecb282b4dd2f4e511) ## Speculation on Judicial Intent and Thresholds for Appealing as Victims Participants reflect on past aggressive submissions and evaluate their strategic impact. - rui***, Sep 23, 2025: rui*** contends that everyone in the group has failed to grasp the main point. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa922fb744b7fd17837fc) - rui***, Sep 23, 2025: rui*** recalls that an associate previously submitted a motion written in an extremely aggressive tone. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q50f4ac6c4daa9944c9ea)