# Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok): community discussion 044

Community discussion, batch 044 (Sep 30, 2025 – Oct 4, 2025), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Participants debated trial proceedings, sentencing prospects, and legal responses, focusing on third-party motions and claims of judicial fraud for Second Circuit appeals versus doubts over their feasibility. Exchanges explored defense counsel performance, DOJ asset forfeiture, RICO charges, and the authenticity of a support letter for Diddy. Disagreements also arose over docketing delays, victim statements, and court orders including Document 753 approving Document 752.

Firsthand participant accounts and investment experiences, preserved with dates, sources and reply context.

English reading guide and paraphrases; Chinese source messages remain authoritative.

## Debate on Victim Demand Positioning, Defense Responsibilities, and the Viability of Procedural Breakdown Defenses

Participants debate the definition of victim claims, the duties of defense counsel, and whether arguments alleging procedural collapse can succeed in court.

- rui***, Sep 30, 2025: rui*** contends that it is acceptable even if the court does not accept the submission. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfebfe94fc842abc2c474)
- rui***, Sep 30, 2025: rui*** recounts that these points have already been incorporated into the written filing regardless. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc55d6928abf5f35c84ee)
## Discussion on Third-Party Motion Filing Obstacles, Court Docketing Mechanisms, and Second Circuit Appellate Relief

Participants examine procedural barriers to docketing third-party filings, the operation of the court registry, and avenues for relief before the Second Circuit.

- him***, Sep 30, 2025: him*** contends that while the argument can be voiced, the court will not adopt it. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd1ad78141c2ee989f7f5)
- ntp***, Oct 1, 2025: ntp*** argues that privacy cannot justify halting motion uploads, asserting that protecting privacy is simple and does not warrant risking unlawful non-disclosure. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q644019c30c4f7630c779)
## Dispute over RICO Allegations, the Nature of the Rule of Law Foundation, and Assets Subject to Forfeiture Orders

Participants debate the reach of RICO charges, the status of the Rule of Law Foundation, and property targeted by forfeiture orders.

- wei***, Oct 1, 2025: wei*** argues that the prosecution was fundamentally aimed at seizing money from the beginning, contending that losing the case would mean total failure. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3686a3ce677049528e1a)
- wei***, Oct 2, 2025: wei*** contends that awaiting normal appeals through the Second Circuit and Supreme Court could take five to eight years under complex RICO laws, urging efforts to overturn the case before sentencing. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q352f9223554e3c597131)
## Discussion on Whether Prosecution Conduct and Defense Actions Constitute Fraud upon the Court

Participants discuss whether prosecutorial actions and defense counsel conduct amount to fraud upon the court.

- reb***, Oct 1, 2025: reb*** argues that an appellate court pursuing administrative correction would target the clerk's office, which would then need to present evidence showing the issue originated in chambers. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q95a7fe5443efd62d3465)
- rui***, Oct 1, 2025: rui*** argues that fully exhausting the narrative of judicial fraud through third-party efforts is the only viable solution. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q87016f842ac02ffe9b07)
## Analysis of Disagreements over the Authenticity, Motives, and Signature of the Support Letter for Diddy

Participants analyze differing views regarding the authenticity, signature, and underlying motives behind a support letter issued for Diddy.

- pz0***, Oct 2, 2025: pz0*** shares a social media link covering reporting by Inner City Press. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q68bac7d5f22e2420f667)
- chu***, Oct 2, 2025: chu*** asks pz0*** to explain the support letter reportedly written for another defendant. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd7be7ae41821d8c4d89b)
## Submission Rules, Legal Weight, and Strategic Value of Supporter and Victim Statements at Sentencing

Participants evaluate procedural guidelines, legal efficacy, and strategic considerations for submitting supporter and victim statements ahead of sentencing.

- hon***, Oct 3, 2025: hon*** contends that the defendant was conveying a message to guide supporters on how to draft their letters. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa7f07a94155a7dfb31d2)
- him***, Oct 3, 2025: him*** advises against writing letters directly to the presiding judge. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb05156ae3c1566df6523)
## Disagreement over Prospects for Overturning the Case Following Rulings on Filings Including Document 753

Participants dispute the prospects of overturning the verdict following court endorsements on numbered docket entries such as Document 753.

- chu***, Oct 3, 2025: chu*** notes that in Document 753, the judge granted the request in Document 752. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb9e32d468d78365b34fd)
- rui***, Oct 3, 2025: rui*** disputes the usefulness of the development, contending that it will have no meaningful effect. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6ef09e1b522388e45520)
## Clash of Views on AI Deduction of Judicial Demeanor and Sentencing Trajectory Comparisons with the Diddy Case

Participants exchange views on using artificial intelligence to analyze judicial mindset and drawing sentencing comparisons with the Diddy case.

- rui***, Oct 1, 2025: rui*** argues that Judge Torres remains silent on the fraud motion out of shock, defensive delay tactics, and caution over appellate review by the Second Circuit. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa82bd9ce3f198d1b9c64)
- chu***, Oct 4, 2025: chu*** asks whether Diddy has entered a guilty plea. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf6b9cd1396070b21af45)