# Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok): community discussion 045 Community discussion, batch 045 (Oct 4, 2025 – Oct 8, 2025), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Discussions focused on court proceedings, legal remedies, and tactical maneuvering in the Guo case. Participants examined procedural requirements for submitting pro se motions to the court and prosecution, debating physical mailing addresses, service of process, email submission constraints, and PACER docketing delays. They assessed complaints to the Second Circuit, mandamus relief, and appeal prospects, while disputing defense counsel conduct, third-party motions, CVRA citations, and asset forfeiture legality. Firsthand participant accounts and investment experiences, preserved with dates, sources and reply context. English reading guide and paraphrases; Chinese source messages remain authoritative. ## Debate over Burden of Proof for Court Motions and Group Communication Attitudes Participants argue over communication attitudes in the chat and the burden of proof regarding allegations against defense counsel. - him***, Oct 4, 2025: him*** comments that the chat group currently maintains a respectable standing. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfa8c40c2a0f6240749de) - wei***, Oct 4, 2025: wei*** contends that defense attorney Gale lacked temporary New York credentials during early appearances and argues that filings responding to docket 709 demonstrate unauthorized representation for which counsel bears the burden of proof. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf6d8ee1892a1fe49c65e) ## Dispute over Authenticity, Handwriting, and Intent Behind a Support Letter in the Diddy Case Participants examine handwriting variations and dispute whether a support letter associated with the Diddy case is authentic. - lon***, Oct 4, 2025: lon*** asks anyone with handwriting expertise in the group to assist in authenticating a document. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q507c7a92ecc972a89b87) - wei***, Oct 4, 2025: wei*** contends that the letter might be forged, noting a discrepancy where the name is spelled with 'wen' above and handwritten as 'wan' below. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q924fc9c0ef5b8311d09d) ## Discussion on Procedural Motivations, Sentencing Expectations, and Political Ties Regarding Support Letters Participants dispute who initiated the support letter and evaluate its potential impact on sentencing leniency. - chu***, Oct 4, 2025: chu*** asks whether Guo wrote the letter on his own initiative or at the request of Sean Combs. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6995a7e21d41b1fc7f1b) - zci***, Oct 4, 2025: zci*** contends that Guo wrote the letter proactively to present a positive impression to the judge in hopes of securing a reduced sentence. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8cfb7a6d80bb874e3130) ## Interpreting Prison Letters: Using AI for Pro Se Filings and Third-Party Intervention Participants consider interpreting a prison letter as encouragement to draft pro se legal filings with AI and organize third-party intervention. - zha***, Oct 4, 2025: zha*** suggests that Guo may be using the letter to hint that supporters can employ artificial intelligence to assist his legal defense. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5a30793580bfae842e75) - rui***, Oct 4, 2025: rui*** outlines combining artificial intelligence, supporter statements, and third-party intervention in the case. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6b6b092d2b055af5eae8) ## Discussions on Blocked Pro Se Emails, Second Circuit Complaints, and Petitions for Docketing Orders Participants discuss submission channels for pro se motions and whether to send documents via email or physical mail. - rod***, Oct 5, 2025: rod*** asks whether pro se filings should currently be mailed to the court's address or elsewhere. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q651db8beef29b048807a) - zha***, Oct 5, 2025: zha*** advises submitting the filings by email. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0c404815c0583f38898c) ## Procedures for Mailing Physical Motions to the Court and Preparing Second Circuit Appeals Participants compare their experiences with unuploaded court filings and discuss how many copies are needed. - ntp***, Oct 5, 2025: ntp*** asks another participant if they also have a submitted filing that the court has not uploaded. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb73dd02c3c05573f0f71) - rui***, Oct 5, 2025: rui*** states that one copy is sufficient. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfdec158c27f7760135d9) ## Sharing GTV Refund Losses, Claims Channels, and Expectations for Future Recovery Participants recount financial losses sustained through GTV refund processes and assess the overall damage. - hon***, Oct 6, 2025: hon*** recounts receiving a GTV refund while suffering an eight percent financial loss. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q796d518b280ade23ced3) - xin***, Oct 6, 2025: xin*** describes the financial losses as devastating. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7290b561c4ff1db223e8) ## Verifying Mailing Addresses and Service Procedures for Submitting Pro Se Materials to the Court and Prosecution Participants discuss correct mailing targets for criminal pro se filings and plan to confirm procedures by phone. - rod***, Oct 6, 2025: rod*** argues that pro se submissions must be addressed directly to the judge because the pro se intake office only handles civil matters rather than criminal cases. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc10ea8238027cd0205ff) - hon***, Oct 6, 2025: hon*** expresses gratitude for the information and says they will call the court to verify the details. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa03277f8001db84b9272) ## Debate over Court Pro Se Email Intake Rules and Reasons for Unuploaded Motions Participants dispute court intake policies regarding electronic submissions and reasons why filings fail to appear on the docket. - rod***, Oct 6, 2025: rod*** contends that the pro se intake email appropriately rejects criminal applications because the office does not manage criminal cases. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7edad933e9c78f3c30e3) - rui***, Oct 6, 2025: rui*** disputes this explanation, arguing that refusing submissions that were previously accepted indicates an underlying issue. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf85feff45194b482a245) ## Strategic Considerations and Differing Demands Regarding Defense Citations of the CVRA and Victim Restitution Participants note defense filings mentioning the Crime Victims' Rights Act and discuss victim compensation strategies. - him***, Oct 7, 2025: him*** notes that attorney Melinda drafted the filing. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3614935b27603943ae74) - him***, Oct 7, 2025: him*** observes that the defense mentioned the Crime Victims' Rights Act. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7608a4adf95ada0365b1) ## Disputes over Defense Counsel Conduct, Fraud on the Court Allegations, and Procedural Legality of Asset Forfeiture Participants debate whether self-identified victims should confront defense attorneys in court filings. - ntp***, Oct 7, 2025: ntp*** warns that targeting defense counsel might inadvertently expose someone claiming victim status. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q171d3bb73085a66afcac) - rui***, Oct 7, 2025: rui*** argues that victims are naturally expected to challenge defense counsel. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa8795b943005b57496fb) ## Disagreements over Delivery Recipients: Judge's Chambers, Prosecution Copies, and Docketing Rules Participants dispute the efficacy of sending letters directly to Judge Torres's chambers. - sar***, Oct 8, 2025: sar*** contends that mailing letters directly to Judge Torres is futile because the judge would immediately discard them. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcfbc232d6cadfddce92c) - rui***, Oct 8, 2025: rui*** reacts with amusement and asks who proposed such a bad idea. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb3fcdb6151599a29e703)