# Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok): community discussion 048

Community discussion, batch 048 (Oct 17, 2025 – Oct 20, 2025), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Discussions center on legal strategies and judicial developments across the criminal and bankruptcy proceedings. Participants debate proceeding pro se or as third parties, disputing whether to file under Section 853 or invoke the Crime Victims' Rights Act (CVRA). While some advocate appealing to the Second Circuit or pursuing Rule 33 motions over alleged misconduct, others dispute creditor registration, the overlapping status of creditors and victims, and attorney representation.

Firsthand participant accounts and investment experiences, preserved with dates, sources and reply context.

English reading guide and paraphrases; Chinese source messages remain authoritative.

## Exploring Pro Se Intervention Strategies and Targeting the Alliance and Defense Counsel

Participants debate strategies for pro se legal intervention while targeting the Alliance and defense counsel.

- chu***, Oct 17, 2025: chu*** describes being entirely broke after losing all money, suggesting that having nothing left might prevent others from harassing family members. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qada2845c6733438a43b0)
- chu***, Oct 17, 2025: chu*** suggests repeatedly proclaiming that Guo committed fraud. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb990fd4cc752b8c50f4d)
- sar***, Oct 17, 2025: sar*** recounts lacking a Himalaya Coin account or early investments and contends that pursuing pro se action is the right path, intending to target the Alliance and defense lawyers first in upcoming motions. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q203fdd7b3904da9dcf65)
## Discussions on Section 853 Versus CVRA Victim Status and Motion Deadlines

Participants debate filing under Section 853 versus the Crime Victims' Rights Act (CVRA) as procedural deadlines approach.

- zha***, Oct 17, 2025: zha*** asks whether participants sent their emails invoking Section 853(n) or the Crime Victims' Rights Act (CVRA). [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe3bb604964c03d315be9)
- ntp***, Oct 17, 2025: ntp*** describes submitting their filing under Section 853. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q58a0cd404db1781906f8)
- zha***, Oct 17, 2025: zha*** notes that only a few days remain and asks whether another submission under the CVRA is necessary. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc7bd1c699f3a5fa9c46b)
## Debates on Himalaya Exchange Forfeiture Remission Notices and Legal Recourse

Participants examine a forfeiture remission notice directing Himalaya Exchange customers on petition deadlines and procedures.

- boo***, Oct 17, 2025: boo*** relays a notice advising Himalaya Exchange customers to submit forfeiture remission petitions via the official government forfeiture website by Oct 22, 2025, while an ancillary petition is prepared for Oct 21, 2025. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd19a546b1a82e5a678b7)
- mia***, Oct 17, 2025: mia*** questions why the announcement fails to mention the participant's motion. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa9fd76d6ff058108c231)
- chu***, Oct 17, 2025: chu*** asks whether the posted announcement was drafted by the participant. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q583b6390fe45c4c696c6)
## Third-Party Appeals and Mandamus Petition Strategies in the Second Circuit

Discussions explore third-party appeal filings in the Second Circuit and the commencement of ancillary proceedings.

- reb***, Oct 18, 2025: reb*** asks how many third parties have appeared in the Second Circuit appeal for this case and whether additional third-party appeals can be located. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q57e252837a36e8418dab)
- zha***, Oct 18, 2025: zha*** comments on the release of Santos following a sentence commutation by Trump, arguing that Santos was a political prisoner. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7e8768e6af84bb4f7463)
- zha***, Oct 18, 2025: zha*** asks whether ancillary hearing proceedings have commenced, recounting that participants have not received hearing notifications. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q34f6f30f408db83aabc5)
## Discussions on Filing Judicial Recusal Motions and Delivery Methods

Participants discuss submitting pro se motions and tracking receipt confirmations for email filings.

- sar***, Oct 18, 2025: sar*** recounts having just dispatched a third pro se filing. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb78886e42e93af7257db)
- him***, Oct 18, 2025: him*** asks whether return receipts are now being issued for pro se email submissions. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe1a5e7284c552d0d76c4)
- ntp***, Oct 18, 2025: ntp*** recounts receiving a confirmation receipt for a submission sent on the 9th. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4ce2ab82c34e707c01bf)
## Legal Deliberations on Rule 33 Relief Mechanisms and Defense Counsel Scrutiny

Participants evaluate invoking Rule 33 for relief based on alleged prosecutorial misconduct and discuss drafting style.

- reb***, Oct 19, 2025: reb*** contends that Rule 33 allows an order of acquittal or a new trial due to irreparable prosecutorial misconduct, citing case precedents and Dkt. 733 to argue sentencing could be bypassed. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf778769727883804e055)
- sar***, Oct 19, 2025: sar*** remarks on the extensive length of the posted legal explanation. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0e4d7eb9d34be39adf5d)
- reb***, Oct 19, 2025: reb*** explains that the argument reflects the drafting style of Grok and suggests reading the concluding points. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q43114bd61852b70d25d5)
## Victim Participation Channels and Leniency Submissions in Sentencing

Discussions outline procedural steps and templates for crime victims to submit leniency statements ahead of sentencing.

- reb***, Oct 19, 2025: reb*** contends that the published notice relates to ancillary proceedings whereas victims should now intervene directly in the sentencing phase. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q56b7a464f8e7e546fca5)
- reb***, Oct 19, 2025: reb*** outlines procedures for submitting victim impact statements advocating leniency in Case No. 1:23-cr-00118-AT, arguing that the court is statutorily required under 18 U.S.C. § 3771 to consider them. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q77664cf5acbffbbe10e1)
- reb***, Oct 19, 2025: reb*** provides a draft victim impact statement requesting sentencing leniency for Ho Wan Kwok, citing Bankr. Dkt. 523, Dkt. 733, Dkt. 750, Dkt. 724, and Bankr. Dkt. 4691 to allege government overreach and asset dissipation. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe57c549ebec20fee921a)
## Bankruptcy and Criminal Overlap: Docket 2083 and Creditor-Victim Conflicts

Participants analyze court records regarding the acknowledged overlap and legal tensions between bankruptcy creditors and criminal victims.

- dom***, Oct 19, 2025: dom*** contends that Bankruptcy Docket 2083 and Criminal Docket 204 substantiate a significant and subjective overlap between bankruptcy creditors and criminal fraud victims in the Mahwah property settlement. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa7ac88d0eda72b35891f)
- rui***, Oct 19, 2025: rui*** enthusiastically observes that another member located documentation directly addressing the unresolved question of creditor and victim overlap. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf4e2ede81b55cc4d0faa)
- mia***, Oct 19, 2025: mia*** disputes attempting to overturn a conviction through the U.S. legal system while simultaneously professing contempt for American justice. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q938af6da9af5794da094)
## Controversies Over Bankruptcy Creditor Claims, Shell Entities, and Asset Tracing

Participants evaluate creditor registration claims and the submission of social media commentary into court records.

- wen***, Oct 20, 2025: wen*** recounts that early 2023 creditor registrations involving 1,600 claimants and 32 billion in claims provided trustee Luc Despins with grounds to trace G-series assets. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0e50afa4d450b3e3b4c3)
- wei***, Oct 20, 2025: wei*** notes that the observation serves as a helpful prompt to investigate those creditor registration records. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q40333b6c29a97c818ec4)
- wei***, Oct 20, 2025: wei*** recounts that their social media comment on X concerning a joint bankruptcy hearing was submitted to the court under Docket 739, praising the filer. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d9a134fbdd03c9c6295)
## Mobilization Against Farms and the Alliance and Scrutiny of Legal Counsel

Discussions address accountability for the Alliance and local farms alongside direct communications from retained counsel.

- hah***, Oct 17, 2025: hah*** shares an attachment with no accompanying text. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0a0c34cdd67ad1b59a49)
- wen***, Oct 17, 2025: wen*** contends that attorney Geyer emailed Himalaya Exchange users directly rather than through Nick's recommendation, suggesting that internal Alliance personnel shifts created information gaps. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaf3858896e7f8f041e68)
- hah***, Oct 18, 2025: hah*** posts an attachment without accompanying text. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2da1f0cdae014aee11c7)