Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok): community discussion 052
Community discussion, batch 052 (Oct 25, 2025 – Oct 29, 2025), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. This period's discussions centered on Second Circuit Court of Appeals procedures and litigation strategies. Focal points included distinctions between mandamus and ordinary appeals, filing fees, and IFP motions. Participants sharply divided over whether appellate rejections stemmed from procedural errors or deliberate obstruction. They also disputed Gail's representation of 6,500 movants, court document signature changes, Ryan's appellate route, CVRA motions, Section 853(n) filings, and farm fund recovery.
Firsthand participant accounts and investment experiences, preserved with dates, sources and reply context.
Machine-generated English reading guide and paraphrases. Follow the Chinese source links to check each statement; paraphrases are not direct quotations.
Dispute over CVRA Motion Procedures, Second Circuit Appeals, and Southern District Filing Eligibility
3 cited messages · Oct 25, 2025 – Oct 25, 2025
Participants dispute and exchange sarcastic remarks regarding procedural requirements for CVRA motions, Second Circuit appeals, and Southern District of New York filing qualifications.
Participant hah*** submits a message containing no text.
Chinese original · hah*** · Oct 25, 2025Participant zci*** contends that the other speaker's logic is confused and questions what point they are trying to make.
Chinese original · zci*** · Oct 25, 2025Participant zci*** asks whether procedural validity should be judged by the district court's recognition or the Second Circuit's own determination.
Chinese original · zci*** · Oct 25, 2025
Debate Over the Nature of Luosige's Second Circuit Procedural Rejection and Litigation Strategies
3 cited messages · Oct 25, 2025 – Oct 25, 2025
Participants debate whether the Second Circuit's action against Luosige was a procedural rejection or a dismissal and question the motives of other commenters.
Participant rui*** argues that others celebrated prematurely, contending that Luosige faced a procedural rejection rather than a dismissal and can proceed once amended.
Chinese original · rui*** · Oct 25, 2025Participant him*** contends that certain members understand the situation fully but feign ignorance.
Chinese original · him*** · Oct 25, 2025Participant him*** asserts that those individuals are fundamentally acting in bad faith.
Chinese original · him*** · Oct 25, 2025
Arguments Over Supporting Ryan, Narrative Manipulation, and Community Factional Dynamics
3 cited messages · Oct 25, 2025 – Oct 25, 2025
Participants clash over allegiance to Ryan, accusations of malice, and whether overt praise constitutes intentional flattery to undermine him.
Participant zci*** contends that anyone opposing Ryan is either foolish or malicious.
Chinese original · zci*** · Oct 25, 2025Participant hah*** submits a message containing no text.
Chinese original · hah*** · Oct 25, 2025Participant ntp*** criticizes excessive praise of Ryan as overly blatant and unhelpful.
Chinese original · ntp*** · Oct 25, 2025
Discussion on Second Circuit Litigation Fees, Third-Party Payment, and IFP Qualifications
3 cited messages · Oct 25, 2025 – Oct 25, 2025
Participants discuss Second Circuit filing fee costs, in forma pauperis applications, and potential repayment obligations.
Participant ntp*** describes the 600-dollar filing fee as excessively expensive and recounts applying for in forma pauperis status.
Chinese original · ntp*** · Oct 25, 2025Participant ntp*** asks group members for financial assistance so the prepared motions do not go to waste.
Chinese original · ntp*** · Oct 25, 2025Participant hon*** contends that fee waivers are only temporary and that the court will later demand repayment or installment payments once any refund is received.
Chinese original · hon*** · Oct 25, 2025
Analysis of the Second Circuit's Returned Mandamus Petition, CVRA Motions, and Court Evasion
3 cited messages · Oct 25, 2025 – Oct 25, 2025
Participants evaluate Luosige's appellate filing regarding suppressed third-party motions and dispute the Second Circuit's handling of mandamus petitions.
Participant him*** describes reviewing Luosige's appellate filing and contends that it is clearly drafted.
Chinese original · him*** · Oct 25, 2025Participant him*** notes that the filing explicitly referenced other third-party motions that had also been suppressed.
Chinese original · him*** · Oct 25, 2025Participant rui*** contends that the court has adopted tactics of evasion and deflection reminiscent of Chinese Communist Party politics.
Chinese original · rui*** · Oct 25, 2025
Debate Over Second Circuit Filing Rejections: Procedural Errors Versus Deliberate Obstruction
3 cited messages · Oct 25, 2025 – Oct 25, 2025
Participants vent frustration over the Second Circuit's filing rejections and dispute how to respond to the court.
Participant rui*** expresses vulgar frustration dismissive of continuing the legal battle.
Chinese original · rui*** · Oct 25, 2025Participant rui*** contends that the opposing parties and court officials only understand physical force.
Chinese original · rui*** · Oct 25, 2025Participant rui*** argues that every single one of the 679 individuals listed is a victim.
Chinese original · rui*** · Oct 25, 2025
Discussion on Obstacles Facing Gail's Motion and Representation of Clients' Genuine Interests
3 cited messages · Oct 26, 2025 – Oct 26, 2025
Participants debate whether the stall in Gail's third-party motion was caused by document encoding errors or court refusal, questioning the explanations offered.
Participant wei*** contends that Gail is merely inventing excuses for why the court failed to docket the third-party motion.
Chinese original · wei*** · Oct 26, 2025Participant wei*** argues that the court did not reject the filing, attributing the issue to incorrect document encoding by submitters.
Chinese original · wei*** · Oct 26, 2025Participant rui*** dismisses the claim as nonsense.
Chinese original · rui*** · Oct 26, 2025
Comparison of Signatures and Movant Lists Between Court Documents 755 and 763 and Questions on Gail's Representation
3 cited messages · Oct 26, 2025 – Oct 26, 2025
Participants compare the signatures on Dockets 755 and 763, disputing whether Gail signed Docket 755 or if it belonged to the government.
Participant wei*** observes that Gail signed Document 763, whereas Document 755 listed Gail in the title but lacked Gail's signature on the document.
Chinese original · wei*** · Oct 26, 2025Participant rui*** disputes this, arguing that Document 755 was filed by the government.
Chinese original · rui*** · Oct 26, 2025Participant wei*** directs others to inspect the specific section of the document.
Chinese original · wei*** · Oct 26, 2025
Focus on Docket 765 Filing, Ryan Bai's Second Circuit Appeal, and Procedural Rules
3 cited messages · Oct 29, 2025 – Oct 29, 2025
Participants discuss the docketing of Document 765, identifying it as Ryan Bai's appeal to the Second Circuit and sharing related updates.
Participant reb*** inquires about the nature and contents of Document 765.
Chinese original · reb*** · Oct 29, 2025Participant him*** explains that Document 765 is Ryan Bai's appeal filing to the Second Circuit.
Chinese original · him*** · Oct 29, 2025Participant chu*** shares an external link regarding the filing.
Chinese original · chu*** · Oct 29, 2025
Dispute Over Reasons for Forwarding Filings to the Southern District Court for PACER Docketing
3 cited messages · Oct 29, 2025 – Oct 29, 2025
Participants dispute the administrative reasons why the Second Circuit forwarded Ryan's petition to the Southern District of New York for PACER docketing.
Participant him*** contends that the release of Document 765 will throw the group into chaotic frenzy.
Chinese original · him*** · Oct 29, 2025Participant pz0*** argues that because Ryan did not serve the petition on all trial parties, the Second Circuit transferred it to the Southern District of New York for PACER docketing to effect service on all electronic filers.
Chinese original · pz0*** · Oct 29, 2025Participant pz0*** advises group members not to overthink the procedural transfer.
Chinese original · pz0*** · Oct 29, 2025