# Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok): community discussion 066

Community discussion, batch 066 (Dec 26, 2025 – Jan 4, 2026), 892 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Discussions shifted from narratives that imprisonment would change circumstances toward procedural maneuvering, dividing participants over evidence authenticity, judicial interference, and group moderation. Members split between immediately filing CVRA, § 853(n), or mandamus petitions to secure deadlines, and cautiously gathering verifiable documentation first. Debates recurred over in forma pauperis status, filing fees, hearing efficacy, Second Circuit filing procedures, asset disposition, and Trustee Luc, leaving the community torn between legal strategy and emotional narratives.

Firsthand participant accounts and investment experiences, preserved with dates, sources and reply context.

English reading guide and paraphrases; Chinese source messages remain authoritative.

## Initial Narratives That Imprisonment Would Change Circumstances Enter Core Discussions and Divide Participants

Participants debate assertions that imprisonment was an intentional strategy while others share personal distress over their involvement.

- lon***, Dec 26, 2025: lon*** contends that Guo stated in his final livestreams that he would spend several years in prison acting as bait to challenge powerful global elites. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q54fe4f80581d1e1bc696)
- roy***, Dec 26, 2025: roy*** inquires about how many years Guo claimed he would serve in prison. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64266d86c5fe707d8274)
- xin***, Dec 26, 2025: xin*** recounts suffering genuine personal hardship caused by their involvement with the movement. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q536b340167498d696aaf)
## Videos, Audio Recordings, Authenticity, and AI Manipulation Remain Unresolved Points of Contention

Participants dispute the authenticity of shared audio and video recordings, raising concerns about potential AI manipulation.

- kir***, Dec 26, 2025: kir*** asks whether any accompanying video exists. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q76cee19bb76dfeae46c6)
- kir***, Dec 26, 2025: kir*** contends that the phone call might still be generated by artificial intelligence. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q52b29f3a9d9e533ff8df)
- kir***, Dec 26, 2025: kir*** argues that the audio recording is likely fabricated because it lacks interaction with Qingteng. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe3c633b6ab837b142fbd)
## Group Governance Disputes: Spamming, Member Departures, and Discussion Boundaries

Participants argue over group rules, member departures, and the appropriate boundaries of discussion within the chat.

- sar***, Dec 26, 2025: sar*** argues that members who find discussions irrelevant are free to leave, asserting that the chat is dedicated to discussing Guo rather than personal matters. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q94b4ef8710a05af00a28)
- sar***, Dec 26, 2025: sar*** remarks that this approach is acceptable so everyone can coexist peacefully. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3eeac4bbfed78f61bb98)
- hah***, Dec 26, 2025: hah*** shares a non-text attachment during the exchange over group governance. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2a9f0f24e4b533b36d12)
## Prosecution and Co-Case Roles, Court Collaboration, and Suspected Judicial Interference Divide Opinions on Evidence Reliability

Participants contend that Alliance figures obstruct justice and describe the procedural difficulties of prison telephone contact.

- him***, Dec 26, 2025: him*** contends that the conduct of Alliance co-conspirators constitutes judicial interference that prosecutors fail to address. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q88d01cf496f13a685874)
- him***, Dec 26, 2025: him*** argues that Alliance figures obstruct justice by organizing courtroom appearances to demand funds and promoting detention center visits while prosecutors ignore the conduct. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf4a63995b882deddcead)
- lon***, Dec 26, 2025: lon*** recounts past attempts to place calls to the detention facility, describing how locating the inmate number and waiting for approval made connecting nearly impossible. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa7b425222b03895baaed)
## Debate Over Dkt. 782 and Special Master Authority: Funding Sources, Original Vouchers, and Risks Under Rule 53 and Rule 11

Participants discuss Dkt. 782 alongside special master responsibilities, financial vouchers, and potential sanction risks under Rule 53 and Rule 11.

- hah***, Dec 26, 2025: hah*** shares a document attachment without text regarding Dkt. 782 and special master authority. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q50946d6257842847ffb1)
- hah***, Dec 26, 2025: hah*** submits an attachment without accompanying text concerning funding sources and original financial records. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q62757e5e455323840b08)
- hah***, Dec 26, 2025: hah*** provides an additional attachment without text relating to special master oversight and potential risks under Rule 53 and Rule 11. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q47e83bc2b8cedb492f74)
## Mainstream Dispute Over Whether CVRA and § 853(n) Run Concurrently, Filing Eligibility, and Time Constraints

Participants debate whether Crime Victims' Rights Act motions and § 853(n) petitions can proceed concurrently and examine filing qualifications.

- him***, Dec 27, 2025: him*** presents a detailed breakdown under 18 U.S.C. § 3771 outlining who qualifies to file a CVRA motion, contending that direct victims may assert their rights independently of § 853(n) without endorsing the prosecution. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7569aa002c815cc11a9b)
- him***, Dec 27, 2025: him*** contends based on an automated tool that submitting a CVRA motion merely asserts the right to be heard rather than supporting prosecutors or seeking funds. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ad6092ee12773acd2cc)
- him***, Dec 27, 2025: him*** asserts that according to the automated tool, CVRA motions and § 853(n) claims can proceed concurrently. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0d62cbebd9cd9d094ded)
## Tug-of-War Over Second Circuit Sequencing: Arranging Appeals, Supplemental Filings, and Correction Windows

Participants dispute the sequence and timing of Second Circuit appellate filings to challenge lower court docketing issues before funds are distributed.

- yyy***, Dec 26, 2025: yyy*** encourages members to take their cases to the Second Circuit and repeat the message daily. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q121313fde7ddfda332c2)
- yyy***, Dec 26, 2025: yyy*** argues that initiating a case in the Second Circuit offers an avenue to challenge perceived lower court unfairness whenever the Southern District of New York fails to docket a motion. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e4f0414b64323b153d2)
- him***, Dec 27, 2025: him*** asks whether a CVRA motion must be uploaded to the docket before any funds are distributed. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q625b8acd20577fcd9232)
## Debate Over IFP and the $600 Route: Payment Methods, Third-Party Payments, and Lack of Uniform Financial Standards

Participants discuss applying for in forma pauperis status to avoid the $600 filing fee, pointing out remittance challenges from mainland China.

- him***, Dec 27, 2025: him*** notes that individuals lacking financial resources can apply for in forma pauperis status. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q754a35b416513ad4a7cb)
- him***, Dec 27, 2025: him*** contends that applicants can seek IFP status if they demonstrate insufficient income, citing Jason Zen as an example. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q218242af60e889278873)
- sar***, Dec 27, 2025: sar*** argues for saving the $600 filing fee by submitting the required form, highlighting difficulties with wiring money from mainland China. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q62ba74fa3fb480f176c2)
## Hearing Efficacy and Parallel Written Routes: Whether to Concurrently Pursue Mandamus, Telephone Verification, and Reconsideration

Participants explore pursuing mandamus petitions alongside in forma pauperis applications, debating telephone inquiries and broad victim submissions.

- ntp***, Dec 27, 2025: ntp*** advises submitting an IFP application concurrently with a mandamus motion. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4b24e80b8788c5996edc)
- spr***, Dec 28, 2025: spr*** contends that clarifying the definition of victims enables all members to submit CVRA motions. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8a04e5756d304c819ff2)
- him***, Dec 29, 2025: him*** suggests placing a direct phone call to the Second Circuit to inquire about case status. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4772df43b35ddfaa75d9)
## Controversy Over Second Circuit Procedural Pace: Electronic vs. Paper Filings, Overseas Mail Transit Times, and Inferring Rejections

Participants examine Second Circuit notification procedures and turnaround times, comparing postal delivery delays with rapid rejection notices.

- reb***, Dec 28, 2025: reb*** asks whether the Second Circuit notifies litigants by email regarding filing decisions or relies exclusively on postal mail. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q95a5b623a86c956994c1)
- ntp***, Dec 28, 2025: ntp*** contends that the appellate court responds by mail, attributing delays to slow postal delivery. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf281c7b9807c2a0a7e0f)
- beg***, Dec 29, 2025: beg*** recounts that the Second Circuit took only 5 days from receipt to issue a rejection letter. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe25716d913473a9c9d53)
## Credibility and Verifiability of Evidence Sources: Whether Screenshots, Photos, Livestreams, and Search Results Suffice

Participants dispute the credibility of circulating livestreams and videos, questioning edited materials and requesting original files.

- sar***, Jan 1, 2026: sar*** questions whether remarks attributed to a livestream are authentic, noting that "Mr. A" frequently edits videos, pictures, and text. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q740f8accb38d5ac19492)
- sar***, Jan 2, 2026: sar*** asks if someone can download the original video, recounting that she was only able to obtain screenshots. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2203c1e7a8fa8b7eff28)
- sar***, Jan 2, 2026: sar*** posts a link to an external social media update featuring the disputed recording. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3c1f2261ded42857e21b)
## High Controversy Over G-Series Entities, Trustee Luc's Seizure Authority, and Property Ownership at the Boundary of Creditor Claims and Criminal Forfeiture

Participants dispute Trustee Luc's authority to seek funds in criminal court and analyze court filings regarding asset forfeiture and bankruptcy administration.

- him***, Dec 31, 2025: him*** questions on what legal basis Trustee Luc is permitted to demand funds in criminal court. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qac9014f141701c3c1719)
- kir***, Dec 31, 2025: kir*** contends that Luc is legally entitled to collect funds. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q722466f629da31883ad3)
- reb***, Dec 30, 2025: reb*** analyzes court filings including Document 233, Document 720, and Document 750, contending that jurisdictional overlaps between SDNY and Trustee Luc constitute an administrative conflict of interest that dissipates seized assets. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc14118fdfdcdca017297)