# Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok): community discussion 077

Community discussion, batch 077 (Feb 8, 2026 – Feb 14, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Discussions continue to oscillate between procedural developments and public narratives concerning the underlying case. Participants dispute whether the prosecution seeks de-escalation, examine Second Circuit injunction strategies, and clash over Section 853 versus remission procedures alongside MDC deadlines. Sharp divisions persist regarding alleged collusion between old and new alliances, victim standing, and restitution representation. Meanwhile, debates over evidence authenticity, external political reactions, and community expulsions reinforce factional entrenchment over objective verification.

Firsthand participant accounts and investment experiences, preserved with dates, sources and reply context.

English reading guide and paraphrases; Chinese source messages remain authoritative.

## Speculation over the Prosecution and Luc's Relationship: Cooling-off and Procedural Timing

Participants debate whether prosecutors are intentionally cooling relations with Luc or awaiting defense subpoenas.

- kir***, Feb 8, 2026: kir*** contends that prosecutors are visibly cooling their relationship with Luc. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfb7441dab8bbbb0f2788)
- ntp***, Feb 8, 2026: ntp*** asks whether the prosecution is also waiting for the defense to subpoena Luc. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb647be505f383a22fce1)
- ntp***, Feb 8, 2026: ntp*** notes that Luc has not appeared publicly for an extended period. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q71cb6514ab4fb70ecf23)
## Upcoming Pressure Window: Filings, 853 Milestones, and Anticipated Exposures

Participants discuss impending court filings and anticipate a renewed wave of exposures targeting alliance farms.

- kir***, Feb 8, 2026: kir*** urges participants who harbor grievances against the alliance farms to seek redress. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf0fde0b49050d285b41b)
- kir***, Feb 8, 2026: kir*** asserts that next week's filing targets the Ivy League Alliance while Long Island Alliance requires action from chu***. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0ffc5266d667a605ea8d)
- ntp***, Feb 8, 2026: ntp*** asks whether submitting documents could ignite another wave of alliance disclosures in the Southern District. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7aaee3f02001a61bd64f)
## Injunctions and Second Circuit Strategy: Direct Action Against the Old Alliance

Participants argue over pursuing Second Circuit injunctions and challenge alliance figures to confront opponents legally.

- kir***, Feb 8, 2026: kir*** challenges Zhang Yongbing and the alliance to petition the Second Circuit for an injunction against Ryan. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0e7092dac74bba4ecb23)
- kir***, Feb 8, 2026: kir*** contends that failing to take legal action marks the end for alliance fraudsters. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd7206438974ca61133eb)
- kir***, Feb 9, 2026: kir*** alleges that Ivy supported storming the courthouse. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q16b63ac5c1cea6348ff5)
## Collusion Disputes Between Old and New Alliances: Himalaya, 6000/324, and Written Records

Participants debate whether old and new alliance entities colluded based on docket references and proxy filings.

- kir***, Feb 9, 2026: kir*** argues that Docket 388 defines the old alliance as co-conspirators while leaving the new alliance undetermined. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0b9f40efc9cb23339820)
- kir***, Feb 9, 2026: kir*** describes alliances operating under the banner of the Whistleblower Movement and NFSC. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0c7c407ef8ce516c853b)
- joh***, Feb 9, 2026: joh*** contends that after July 16, registrations and letters avoided the Himalaya Alliance name, using Geyer representing 6000 or Govenman representing Hamilton's 324 instead. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q29819d645051f20edfb5)
## Victim Standing and Rights Boundaries: Claims, Remission, and Representative Qualification

Participants dispute whether victim recovery claims fall under administrative remission or statutory Section 853 proceedings.

- kir***, Feb 10, 2026: kir*** contends that the claims referenced by others actually constitute remission. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qedc1ed91c6082e99ac23)
- kir***, Feb 10, 2026: kir*** asserts that current proceedings operate under Section 853. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa7885e8d280f524c7453)
- kir***, Feb 10, 2026: kir*** questions whether previous claims were filed under Section 853(n) or administrative remission. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfbcc900db2c83c7ef991)
## Forfeiture Recovery and Distribution Paths: Percentages and Priority Disputes

Participants discuss court distribution orders returning funds and compare recovery percentages with personal returns.

- pz0***, Feb 10, 2026: pz0*** recounts that a court distribution order allows approximately 55% recovery of money defrauded through Wei Lihong's Voice of Guo. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5194d4b822d9cd4d469b)
- pz0***, Feb 10, 2026: pz0*** argues that this recovery percentage is acceptable by fundraising fraud restitution standards. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2170de83cb9b6ab55942)
- kir***, Feb 10, 2026: kir*** describes earning an annual return of 7000% while mocking community members. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3aca67ebb2ecd62143a2)
## Focus on Authenticity of Evidence: Social Posts, Livestream Screenshots, and Document Admissibility

Participants examine disclosures regarding witness management and debate the credibility of family intervention.

- beg***, Feb 10, 2026: beg*** describes reading the English filing and noting that Zhang Yongbing reportedly controlled and influenced witness testimony. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf9f8e8f55fe2c297d27)
- beg***, Feb 10, 2026: beg*** contends that impersonation constitutes a criminal offense in the United States and that a call from Guo Mei could halt it. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q37568c633447d2477f2b)
- him***, Feb 10, 2026: him*** argues that what one chooses to believe is an individual matter. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf581e594ae54d98684b3)
## External Political Figures Amplifying Controversy: Reinterpreting Musk and Bannon

Participants react to public social media posts from Elon Musk and dispute their potential implications.

- roy***, Feb 9, 2026: roy*** shares a link to a social media post published by Elon Musk. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q90604eb3597f5ab4220a)
- roy***, Feb 9, 2026: roy*** argues that Elon Musk has openly attacked Guo. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3bdd8bd12ff950247373)
- ntp***, Feb 9, 2026: ntp*** questions what Elon Musk intends to do with his post. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q202d2d21bcdb1ff784fa)
## Community Governance Disputes: Blocklists and Expulsions Over Questioning the Alliance

Participants debate whether recent chat group expulsions target members who question alliance leadership.

- him***, Feb 10, 2026: him*** contends that the targeted individual had not made any improper statements. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q91507c1bb94119416356)
- beg***, Feb 13, 2026: beg*** recounts that members previously removed from the group were consistently those who had challenged alliance leadership. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9d242192a4b35db93a3b)
- sar***, Feb 13, 2026: sar*** argues that members unwilling to participate should leave the group rather than criticize others' choices. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbe46437dcbd23745dadc)
## Communication Security and Platform Debates: Discord's Role and Alternative Channels

Participants discuss communication security risks on Discord and evaluate alternatives such as Telegram.

- sar***, Feb 9, 2026: sar*** argues that opponents fear Discord and asks how the community would communicate if the platform were lost. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q328db066f5eab63b7337)
- anl***, Feb 9, 2026: anl*** asks whether Telegram is secure. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2e6e4d25367270c34c5d)
- ntp***, Feb 9, 2026: ntp*** disputes the likelihood of a platform shutdown, noting that even WeChat did not take such action. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9dbf19ffbed114963ef3)
## Organizational Structure and Witness Risks: Allegations of Coordination and Witness Control

Participants examine legal risks in alliance organizational structures and allege witness manipulation.

- kir***, Feb 11, 2026: kir*** contends that both old and new alliance legal frameworks have constituted high-risk structures throughout this case. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q851fd990aeafad16b2fe)
- kir***, Feb 11, 2026: kir*** alleges that the alliance has continuously exercised control over witnesses. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf6c52df4a3d8f2c92293)
- joh***, Feb 11, 2026: joh*** agrees with the claim regarding alliance witness control. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9520e9407d20b0aea2eb)
## Identity and Family Dynamics: Accounts, Allegiances, and Defection Speculation

Participants discuss the perceived passivity of Guo's family members and debate whether family remarks represent Guo.

- roy***, Feb 10, 2026: roy*** contends that Guo appears powerless in this case and contrasts his children's inactivity with Jimmy Lai's family in Hong Kong. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf5d38253e1e595ff2aa8)
- roy***, Feb 10, 2026: roy*** argues that Guo Mei writes weekly personal updates yet fails to publicly challenge alliance impersonation. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q415f690dfab756a10061)
- him***, Feb 10, 2026: him*** disputes that false statements by Guo Mei would represent Guo Wengui. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ac1a613cb7176ccd82d)