# Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok): community discussion 083 Community discussion, batch 083 (Feb 23, 2026 – Feb 25, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Participants recount emotional reactions to farm loan losses alongside claims of arrests and contact loss, before debating contractual liability and organizational structure. Discussions then pivot to two main axes: asset recovery and forfeiture boundaries involving GTV, SEC, and § 853(n) petitions as discussed in ECF 806; and procedural fairness involving CIPA, RICO, Second Circuit filings, and 361/364 disclosures. Finally, participants divide between backing evidentiary preservation and contesting internal alliance leadership and Witness-2. Firsthand participant accounts and investment experiences, preserved with dates, sources and reply context. English reading guide and paraphrases; Chinese source messages remain authoritative. ## Farm Loan Consequences Alongside Narratives of Panic Participants recount personal fallout and inquire about arrests and summons following farm loan investments. - kir***, Feb 23, 2026: kir*** asks whether anyone knows of people being arrested because of their investments. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5c0749f616844bcbb8ba) - kir***, Feb 23, 2026: kir*** clarifies the question by asking if anyone close to the participants has faced arrest. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q81d082905c33cf5b7ac8) - xin***, Feb 23, 2026: xin*** states that some individuals have been summoned by authorities. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9f3014cf57ee70eef987) ## Disagreements Over Farm Loan Entities and Signatory Responsibility Participants dispute contractual identity and note substantial financial commitments made by investors. - joh***, Feb 23, 2026: joh*** asks whether the project under discussion is specifically a farm loan. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa475be7ac5587461ba4c) - xin***, Feb 23, 2026: xin*** remarks that another person invested over one million. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qec004f53075218b95fd2) - xin***, Feb 23, 2026: xin*** affirms that the project involves farm loans. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q562b6cc2cf6f2e05b383) ## Prospects of Asset Recovery: GTV, the SEC, and Personal Accounts Participants debate whether farm loans qualify under GTV recovery and express doubts regarding asset retrieval. - ntp***, Feb 23, 2026: ntp*** asks whether loan investments count toward GTV claims. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaa5ac2558793630e41ff) - roy***, Feb 23, 2026: roy*** responds that such loans do not count as GTV investments. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfd23dac5650d464dc145) - xin***, Feb 23, 2026: xin*** contends that the financial accounting is completely muddled and impossible to clarify. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q653f87ac15c017e73950) ## Core Disputes Over CIPA, RICO, and Evidentiary Timelines Participants argue over evidentiary review procedures and prosecution strategies regarding potential witnesses. - joh***, Feb 23, 2026: joh*** argues that the prosecution appeared intimidated by Witness-2 and sought to block them from testifying. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf1304bee4395322f75c7) - ton***, Feb 23, 2026: ton*** explains that prosecutors review and present evidentiary materials to the judge first. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf6788d447b99a720307b) - ton***, Feb 23, 2026: ton*** contends that defense evidence must also be vetted by the prosecution and agreed upon by both sides. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5ebd52b9de0e71d1c3e4) ## Public Disclosure Disputes Over Dockets 361 and 364 Participants dispute docketing delays and redaction practices between the Southern District and the Second Circuit. - roy***, Feb 23, 2026: roy*** asks how many days it took for the Southern District to upload the preceding three Second Circuit filings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd238e93377a330b33250) - him***, Feb 23, 2026: him*** estimates that the docketing upload took at most three days. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6f3b3749957705efde23) - beg***, Feb 23, 2026: beg*** notes that unredacted versions were also present in the Southern District. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q44a6701c67071856a008) ## Revisions and Clarifications Concerning Witness-2 Participants clarify the distinction between testifying witnesses and anticipated government witnesses referenced in CIPA filings. - joh***, Feb 23, 2026: joh*** clarifies that Witness-2 submitted 3500 material but may not have appeared in court, distinguishing them from a testifying analyst. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q34e03e02744fae0ed99a) - ton***, Feb 23, 2026: ton*** observes that Witness-2 was an anticipated witness who did not end up appearing. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q669dd71eab0ec80bd167) - ton***, Feb 25, 2026: ton*** cites Doc 339 from the government CIPA motion identifying Witness-2 as an anticipated government witness. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4be156c3ce161d38dc48) ## Divergence in Legal Strategy: Representation, Pro Se Filings, and Procedural Motions Participants debate legal representation rules and analyze defense arguments regarding § 853(n) property petitions in ECF 806. - joh***, Feb 23, 2026: joh*** argues that represented individuals must first terminate counsel before taking action and advises claimants to file independently as third-party pro se litigants. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1dafbf337cf655f5bfd7) - ntp***, Feb 23, 2026: ntp*** contends that participants must not interfere with defense attorneys. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9d6a82b146c284e674d2) - him***, Feb 25, 2026: him*** summarizes defense letter motion ECF 806 demanding court clarification and disclosure of § 853(n) third-party forfeiture petitions. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2fc030728f5747ddb0ec) ## Evidence Preservation: Backing Up Group Chats and Exporting Chat History Participants urge group members to systematically export and preserve Discord chat histories for future analysis. - ton***, Feb 23, 2026: ton*** urges everyone to promptly export and back up Discord records across all farm chat groups. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7ac0acd063fe71f7b200) - ton***, Feb 24, 2026: ton*** asks whether alliance group members can assist in exporting historical data for automated analysis. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb32a15610a3d0231726a) - ton***, Feb 24, 2026: ton*** provides step-by-step instructions for selecting channels and exporting chat data into HTML, JSON, or CSV formats. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4fd8e904246c62749120) ## Internal Alliance Fractures: Interpersonal Tensions and Alliance Operations Participants recount interpersonal friction within the movement and discuss engagement with alliance work reports. - xin***, Feb 23, 2026: xin*** reminds members to continue promoting the Whistleblower Movement to family and friends. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd43a45803b136711f9ab) - xin***, Feb 23, 2026: xin*** recounts feeling that many people in the group view them with hostility or discomfort. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3696ef71c811a9e23a7d) - beg***, Feb 24, 2026: beg*** asks if the latest alliance work report is available while noting they only tune in selectively when Guo is mentioned. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q54cdf1af6672253c770d) ## Confrontations Over External Influences and Coordinated Public Opinion Participants dispute internal communication leaks and express growing distress over the case's perceived obscurity. - kir***, Feb 24, 2026: kir*** dismisses the alliance group chats as lacking substantive or meaningful value. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3cfb6c8228c1917fae06) - kir***, Feb 24, 2026: kir*** states that A Bing previously disclosed information to several Discord senior members. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q29e7a1540b7918151306) - him***, Feb 24, 2026: him*** contends that the case involves deep darkness and predicts widespread depression once full disclosures emerge. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q80a03cc580a2e1750411) ## Debates Over Wang Yanping's Plea and Allegations of Espionage Participants dispute the sentencing impact of Wang Yanping's plea and argue over unproven claims regarding espionage. - ton***, Feb 24, 2026: ton*** argues that Judge Torres adopted the government's criminal narrative during Wang's sentencing, making Guo's sentencing reduction unlikely. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3d7c3c9920434cdc3e77) - roy***, Feb 24, 2026: roy*** questions whether Guo was truly unaware of allegations that Wang acted as an operative. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q89f2604927ab5ba70ea3) - sar***, Feb 25, 2026: sar*** recalls past assertions labeling Wang an operative and notes another commentator firmly rejected them as baseless speculation. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3cda93e494e004e8e31d) ## Rising Financial Anxiety: Regret Over Investments and Cutting Losses Participants describe acute financial distress and express resignation regarding unrecoverable investment funds. - xin***, Feb 23, 2026: xin*** describes extreme financial anxiety and worries about basic survival if the investment offers no return. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe60d5b0da292746f761f) - xin***, Feb 23, 2026: xin*** vents intense distress over losing their money. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7e7830e49e7579e427d8) - xin***, Feb 23, 2026: xin*** urges others to let go of the money, contending that the lost funds will not be recovered. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q80f478d72edb79167090)