# Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok): community discussion 101

Community discussion, batch 101 (Apr 13, 2026 – Apr 16, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Participants remain sharply divided over the case's judicial character and procedural paths without reaching consensus. Debates center on alleged prosecutorial bias, procedural unfairness, whether '6000/1800' creditor list modifications shift liability, and theories of betrayal. Practical disagreements focus on post-sentencing appellate strategy, handling Supreme Court rejections, preserving appellate rights, and procedural boundaries of CVRA and Section 853(n) motions. Meanwhile, disputes persist over evidentiary burdens, asset forfeiture, and defense counsel loyalty.

Firsthand participant accounts and investment experiences, preserved with dates, sources and reply context.

English reading guide and paraphrases; Chinese source messages remain authoritative.

## Whether the Prosecution and Judicial Procedures Show Bias

Participants argue over whether procedural unfairness and alleged judicial misconduct undermine the prosecution's forfeiture efforts.

- kir***, Apr 13, 2026: kir*** contends that judicial fraud exists and will prevent the prosecution from confiscating any funds. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeb1bcdfd8680d00a3b02)
- kir***, Apr 13, 2026: kir*** agrees that the judicial proceedings are fundamentally compromised. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qff1bfccf58d8d063bf74)
- beg***, Apr 13, 2026: beg*** contends that judicial supervisors cannot resolve procedural unfairness, incomplete case files, or the judge's refusal to docket third-party submissions. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc64ba3d91343dce7eb4)
## Authenticity of the '6000/1800' Creditor List and Its Link to Bail

Participants debate the significance of creditor lists and whether fraudulent registrations caused the denial of bail.

- joh***, Apr 13, 2026: joh*** argues that the situation reflects the same principle as the 6,000 creditors tied to Gail. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q307f7946ffd7cd90cfe5)
- joh***, Apr 13, 2026: joh*** contends that the objective is substantiating the authentic existence of creditors rather than deleting them. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q16d292c5c018b12bc2c9)
- joh***, Apr 13, 2026: joh*** recalls that docket 733 noted Guo was denied bail due to fraudulent creditor registrations. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4dc42e7d3a4a038f5ee4)
## Disputes Over Creditor List Deletions, Additions, and Evidentiary Burdens

Participants dispute actions surrounding creditor list deletions and who instigated them.

- ntp***, Apr 13, 2026: ntp*** asks whether someone assisted in deleting creditors from the list. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9f632585c2afa47d94f3)
- joh***, Apr 13, 2026: joh*** affirms that assistance was provided to delete creditors. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q679ebd65c7d8182a4c20)
- him***, Apr 13, 2026: him*** questions whether the creditors who were not deleted had been instigated by Guo. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc8e3c40b94ece9cf97b4)
## Inferences of Betraying Defendants, Shifting Liability, and Conspiracy Chains

Participants contend that prosecutors are sacrificing specific figures to secure financial recovery and avoid institutional blame.

- joh***, Apr 13, 2026: joh*** contends that the prosecution would otherwise obtain nothing from the proceedings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6703ceb5ab96144cb748)
- kir***, Apr 13, 2026: kir*** argues that there were prior indications showing the prosecution betrayed Luc. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q12a21c7a53779e364a45)
- kir***, Apr 13, 2026: kir*** argues that the prosecution will refuse to shoulder any blame. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q14d6660662b4f0c02f62)
## Second Circuit and Supreme Court Rejection Paths: Docketing Versus Summary Refusal

Participants recount personal experiences with Supreme Court rejections and anticipate appellate involvement in the Second Circuit.

- reb***, Apr 14, 2026: reb*** describes a second certiorari rejection by the Supreme Court requiring circuit court review first, concluding that pre-judgment legal avenues in the Southern District are exhausted. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f252186c27079f1e371)
- sar***, Apr 14, 2026: sar*** recounts learning another member filed for certiorari rather than mandamus and expects their own submission to be rejected on similar grounds. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q06f9a7c3fe06061b19f5)
- kir***, Apr 16, 2026: kir*** contends that the entire bench of Second Circuit judges will mobilize for Guo's main appeal. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q56ef4c7a7268d70ee2e7)
## Motion and Mandamus Practice: Docket Uploads, Rejections, and Clerk Communication Barriers

Participants describe filing barriers at the district court and observe awkward interactions involving defense counsel.

- ntp***, Apr 15, 2026: ntp*** observes that the defense participated in an awkward joint livestream with an outside faction. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q75dfe14fa278ea04bc99)
- sar***, Apr 15, 2026: sar*** describes submitting eight electronic pro se complaints and one paper complaint to the Southern District since late September of the previous year without any being uploaded to the docket. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q43602e05a57d4bbd54c4)
- spr***, Apr 16, 2026: spr*** recounts not having drafted any filing yet due to uncertainty about how to write it. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qec8230f35c3f33ee3e08)
## Post-Sentencing Procedural Disagreements: Appealing First Versus Preserving Rights

Participants debate the necessity of filing letters to preserve appellate rights against mootness before and after sentencing.

- mia***, Apr 14, 2026: mia*** contends that the case will conclude if Guo chooses not to appeal following sentencing. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf8eea0a85a6245b89b65)
- him***, Apr 16, 2026: him*** argues that participants appealing to the Second Circuit must submit letters to both the district and circuit courts prior to sentencing to preserve their claims against mootness. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q47bc21b3aabcadde8bc0)
- him***, Apr 16, 2026: him*** contends that opposing parties are waiting for motion filers to abandon appeals so the filings lapse. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q53e4cef529f3585dcfe0)
## Divergent Expectations Regarding Timelines and Outcomes for CVRA and Section 853(n)

Participants analyze post-sentencing validity and appeal prospects for Crime Victims' Rights Act and Section 853(n) proceedings.

- him***, Apr 15, 2026: him*** questions whether a CVRA motion becomes void after sentencing if the filer fails to seek mandamus in the Second Circuit beforehand. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qee2369291115c7ab733d)
- him***, Apr 16, 2026: him*** contends that rights under Section 853(n) and the CVRA persist after sentencing if claimants actively pursue them. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3493d1532261843110b8)
- him***, Apr 16, 2026: him*** argues that while an 853(n) denial can be appealed, winning an appeal in this case is improbable. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q50ced478e6e480c33d50)
## Property Liability Boundaries: Alter Ego Theories, Forfeiture, and G-Series Asset Ownership

Participants discuss corporate alter ego arguments in criminal forfeiture and question document service regarding docket 817.

- joh***, Apr 13, 2026: joh*** contends that alter ego arguments constitute the core foundation of the prosecution's criminal indictment. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8a4354138797083e1075)
- joh***, Apr 13, 2026: joh*** argues that legal actions target corporate entities as Guo's alter egos to confiscate assets. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcd9b81e47a8c460eb96a)
- reb***, Apr 16, 2026: reb*** questions whether defendants were unaware of docket 817 and whether case file copies were served on defense counsel. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q30b7c5c6f1a014b6d953)
## Defense Counsel Roles: Defending the Client Versus Endorsing the Alliance

Participants dispute whether defense attorneys prioritize representing Guo or protecting organizational interests.

- sar***, Apr 15, 2026: sar*** remarks that another participant appears to be proposing strategy for defense attorneys. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9e4c8163adf199ace017)
- him***, Apr 15, 2026: him*** contends that it remains uncertain whether defense counsel represents Guo directly or serves the Alliance. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q42d7f53d9ee3be63a613)
- him***, Apr 15, 2026: him*** contends that internal actors intend to sacrifice Guo to safeguard themselves. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf039ef3cffbd1eeabf89)
## Evidentiary Standards: Requiring Proof Before Characterization Versus Preserving Interpretations

Participants debate evidentiary standards regarding cryptocurrency issuance and personal purchase documentation.

- xin***, Apr 15, 2026: xin*** asserts that one only needs to state the details clearly to an artificial intelligence tool. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9653e6d0f2dbb3dd3116)
- xin***, Apr 16, 2026: xin*** describes possessing proof of their TDCCP coin purchases. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2ac86b42abfa60425825)
- xin***, Apr 16, 2026: xin*** disputes how the prosecution can establish that Guo issued the cryptocurrency without proof. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q005e6f36f06dff947d73)
## Public Narratives and Interpersonal Relationships Amplifying Controversies

Participants dispute online commentary and organizational influence surrounding key individuals and cryptocurrency management.

- joh***, Apr 13, 2026: joh*** argues that an online commentator is displaying guilt by evading questions concerning Percy while reposting other content. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q909c0da8d9348b63dace)
- joh***, Apr 13, 2026: joh*** asserts that the 6,000 creditors tied to Gail reflect the identical dynamic. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6a4d2e67b91c7994d188)
- sar***, Apr 15, 2026: sar*** contends this demonstrates that the Qing faction controls the TDCCP cryptocurrency. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0737ebd0796241967306)