# Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok): community discussion 104

Community discussion, batch 104 (Apr 22, 2026 – Apr 24, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Discussions begin by examining message authenticity, signatures, and identities before shifting toward procedural disputes, focusing on Second Circuit filings, requests to stay sentencing in 1:23-cr-00118-AT, Form 1080 compliance, certificates of service, and the Crime Victims' Rights Act seventy-two-hour statutory deadline. Participants debate forfeiture boundaries across the G enterprise, bankruptcy claims, and financial tracing, while disputing alleged judicial or prosecutorial bias and online group labeling without reaching any consensus.

Firsthand participant accounts and investment experiences, preserved with dates, sources and reply context.

English reading guide and paraphrases; Chinese source messages remain authoritative.

## Authenticity and Verification: Scrutinizing Signatures, Information Sources, and Zhu Beibei Narratives

Participants debate whether individuals were misled by organizations and scrutinize the authenticity of specific signatures and public commentary.

- joh***, Apr 22, 2026: joh*** contends that an individual was misled by the organization and that her presentencing plea letter to the judge appeared to convey despair. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7daf2add8fb3821ec610)
- him***, Apr 22, 2026: him*** states that Zhu Beibei also alleged that Guo's signature on a letter supporting Diddy was fraudulent. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc1b565f847be20cd9913)
- him***, Apr 22, 2026: him*** contends that this individual represents a judicial counterpart to Azhe. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qea881353e500f85d1d94)
## Victim Standing and Procedural Boundaries: Disputes Over Addressing the Court and Automatic CVRA Empowerment

Participants dispute the legal framework governing victim participation and question the scope of addressing court proceedings.

- kir***, Apr 22, 2026: kir*** contends that the conventional victim-defendant legal model no longer fits and questions why a victim can launch broad verbal attacks beyond the defendant. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q50c795eb9f8a32cc861f)
- ntp***, Apr 22, 2026: ntp*** clarifies that the speaker was referring to the Southern District of New York email address for pro se submissions. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbc1a0ed9799f500644f7)
## Second Circuit and Sentencing Conflicts: Deferring Sentencing in 1:23-CR-118, Form 1080, and Pro Se Filing Pathways

Participants examine filings seeking to stay sentencing in case 1:23-CR-118 and describe pro se docketing procedures in the appellate court.

- chu***, Apr 22, 2026: chu*** shares a pro se emergency motion submitted on Apr 15, 2026, by Ryan Bai requesting the Second Circuit to stay sentencing scheduled for Apr 27, 2026, in 1:23-cr-00118-AT pending mandamus petition No. 25-2726, Dkts. 38 and 39. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e4ceeb05dbc75a3a163)
- kir***, Apr 22, 2026: kir*** observes that another participant appeared to submit filings pro se via email. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf5fdf10bfe9e5dd8658c)
- ntp***, Apr 22, 2026: ntp*** recounts that their case was docketed first before receiving a follow-up phone call. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4a99f773ed524461c22a)
## Service and Procedural Validity: Missing Proof of Service, CVRA Deadlines, and the 72-Hour Rule

Participants discuss proof of service requirements and dispute whether appellate delays violate the seventy-two-hour statutory timeframe under the CVRA.

- spr***, Apr 22, 2026: spr*** describes omitting a Certificate of Service and mailing receipts to the prosecution and defense, asking whether paper copies must be served on both parties. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf356cbd633ff0055e01f)
- reb***, Apr 23, 2026: reb*** questions whether the Second Circuit has violated 18 U.S.C. § 3771(d)(3) by putting CVRA mandamus rulings on indefinite hold beyond the seventy-two-hour requirement. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q57a814ba4d34a9cb1f7b)
- kir***, Apr 23, 2026: kir*** begins a brief interjection regarding the statutory timeframe. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0a6ad39b2e9fa04bc889)
## Asset Forfeiture and Presentencing Scope: G Enterprise Boundaries, Plea Agreements, and Fund Flow

Participants dispute the scope of asset forfeiture across the G enterprise following plea agreements and argue over potential procedural overreach.

- joh***, Apr 22, 2026: joh*** argues that Wang pleaded guilty to fewer counts related to GTV without objecting to prosecutors defining the forfeiture scope to cover almost the entire G enterprise. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa411aef12c8b41a7d31d)
- kir***, Apr 24, 2026: kir*** expresses agreement with the ongoing evaluation of procedural developments. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q359831043b6b11bf13d3)
- joh***, Apr 22, 2026: joh*** contends that group members were urged to submit remission forms without opposing forfeiture or raising 21 U.S.C. § 853(n) petitions so assets could transfer to bankruptcy creditors. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8fa4f95c357707f06178)
## Intersection of Bankruptcy and Criminal Proceedings: Creditor Authenticity, Alter Ego Claims, and Contested Liabilities

Participants examine the overlap between bankruptcy claims and criminal charges, debating fraudulent creditor filings and liability boundaries.

- joh***, Apr 23, 2026: joh*** disputes the legitimacy of a creditor in the bankruptcy case, alleging that the individual acted as a conspirator receiving Rule of Law Foundation remittances. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q877acabc19d8758bba38)
- joh***, Apr 24, 2026: joh*** contends that Guo was definitely not the party who registered the contested claim. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd06968d2bc5b6903c878)
## Narrative Escalation and Labeling: Official Accounts, Alt Profiles, and Factional Discourse

Participants dispute the influence of factional labeling, anonymous accounts, and competing narratives on community discussions.

- him***, Apr 24, 2026: him*** contends that Guo's suggestion regarding registration was conditional and not a mandatory instruction. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcb686f3f6ad4fb0bee97)
- joh***, Apr 24, 2026: joh*** alleges that an online user maintains alternate accounts in the group to steer public opinion using leaked screenshots. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6f289385debf0d31e8b5)
- kir***, Apr 22, 2026: kir*** notes that another complicating factor is that nobody knows what Brother Luosi is doing. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb35d456b997287ada666)
## Allegations of Judicial and Prosecutorial Bias: Debating Courtroom Staging Versus Verifiable Procedure

Participants debate whether the prosecution and court acted with bias and discuss relying on verifiable procedural records to counter the rulings.

- joh***, Apr 23, 2026: joh*** argues that prosecutors, the trustee, and the judge operated within a contrived framework to make the proceedings appear legally justified. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9d71429131da6d46c89e)
- him***, Apr 24, 2026: him*** contends that substantive arguments are futile and that only procedural defects, ineffective assistance of counsel, and judicial bias remain viable issues. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf3be6781433507e4284d)
- kir***, Apr 23, 2026: kir*** contends that the Second Circuit retains judicial discretion in these matters. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3f5538d0d248dbffa56c)
## Strategic Pivots: Record Preservation, Renewed Objections, and Appellate Pathways

Participants discuss strategic legal avenues, debating whether to preserve objections in the Second Circuit before seeking higher appellate review.

- kir***, Apr 22, 2026: kir*** states an intention to have a summary prepared by next Friday. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5b24c162fcf72513a264)
- roy***, Apr 23, 2026: roy*** urges experienced group members to promptly submit comprehensive details and procedural flaws to the Second Circuit directly or through parties with pending appeals. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q29c8fc09441c2f29c274)
## Timelines and Strategic Delays: Court Postponements, Window Periods, and Sentencing Projections

Participants interpret judicial scheduling delays, a two-month window, and sentencing projections as elements of strategic procedural maneuvering.

- reb***, Apr 24, 2026: reb*** shares evidentiary discovery arguments and reminds participants that they have a two-month window to incorporate them into their legal submissions. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q739fbe584c611f05b88e)
- beg***, Apr 22, 2026: beg*** argues that Judge Torres would conclude that regardless of dispute over 1.3 billion versus 550 million, the jury's guilty verdict warrants a ten-year sentence. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa673a2efb19a1a8af565)
- ntp***, Apr 24, 2026: ntp*** asks whether the newly granted postponement indicates that the emergency motion proved effective. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2818ceaa7ce12d2344d5)