Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok): community discussion 105
Community discussion, batch 105 (Apr 24, 2026 – Apr 26, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Discussions trace parallel tracks across procedural filings and evolving fraud narratives. Participants dispute Second Circuit handling, questioning whether filings docketed on appeal synchronize with the Southern District, whether attachments and motion 853n entered the record, and if third-wave follow-ups trigger verification. Members further clash over fund flows, loss attribution, creditor versus victim status, and alleged trustee or prosecutorial concealment, debating whether to pursue pro se actions alongside bankruptcy proceedings without reaching consensus.
Firsthand participant accounts and investment experiences, preserved with dates, sources and reply context.
Machine-generated English reading guide and paraphrases. Follow the Chinese source links to check each statement; paraphrases are not direct quotations.
Whether Docketing in the Second Circuit Before Synchronizing to the Southern District Should Continue
3 cited messages · Apr 24, 2026 – Apr 24, 2026
Participants debate appellate docketing procedures and document synchronization between courts.
roy*** asks whether filing 838 was originally docketed in the Second Circuit.
Chinese original · roy*** · Apr 24, 2026kir*** contends that the filing exists even if participants have not yet located it.
Chinese original · kir*** · Apr 24, 2026ntp*** recounts sending filings directly to the Southern District and questions whether the applicant also asked the Southern District to upload the motion.
Chinese original · ntp*** · Apr 24, 2026
Dispute Over Whether Attachments and Motion 853n Entered the Record and Matched Southern District Filings
3 cited messages · Apr 24, 2026 – Apr 24, 2026
Participants discuss whether motion 853n and investment attachments were properly entered into the case record.
him*** asserts that the attachments consist of investment evidence.
Chinese original · him*** · Apr 24, 2026ntp*** questions whether this type of motion can be docketed in the Second Circuit.
Chinese original · ntp*** · Apr 24, 2026him*** explains that the core contention remains that motion 853n was not entered into the record.
Chinese original · him*** · Apr 24, 2026
Whether Shifting the Narrative Focus from Guo's Fraud to Conspiracy and Judicial Misconduct Holds Ground
3 cited messages · Apr 24, 2026 – Apr 24, 2026
Participants examine whether allegations of fraud are expanding beyond Guo to include the Alliance.
him*** observes that the framing of the case appears to be shifting.
Chinese original · him*** · Apr 24, 2026him*** argues that the narrative is transitioning from fraud solely by Guo to fraud by the Alliance.
Chinese original · him*** · Apr 24, 2026ntp*** suggests that this shift effectively targets the Alliance.
Chinese original · ntp*** · Apr 24, 2026
Diverging Expectations on Whether Sentence Alterations Will Follow Delays or Shift Directly to Sentencing
3 cited messages · Apr 24, 2026 – Apr 24, 2026
Participants share differing expectations regarding the purpose of delays and case status ahead of sentencing.
ntp*** inquires about what will transpire over the next two months and whether a special master will be appointed.
Chinese original · ntp*** · Apr 24, 2026ntp*** contends that court delays are being utilized to prolong the period of detention.
Chinese original · ntp*** · Apr 24, 2026him*** asserts that the case has already concluded.
Chinese original · him*** · Apr 24, 2026
Disagreements Over Hiring Legal Counsel, Filing Pro Se, and Submitting Pro Se Evidence
3 cited messages · Apr 24, 2026 – Apr 24, 2026
Participants evaluate the costs and feasibility of hiring attorneys versus pursuing pro se representation.
him*** advises consulting a reliable attorney while recommending against hiring Chinese lawyers.
Chinese original · him*** · Apr 24, 2026ntp*** states that hiring an attorney is financially unaffordable.
Chinese original · ntp*** · Apr 24, 2026him*** suggests proceeding pro se as an alternative option.
Chinese original · him*** · Apr 24, 2026
Whether Third-Wave Mandates and Follow-Up Inquiries Mark a Critical Turning Point
3 cited messages · Apr 24, 2026 – Apr 24, 2026
Participants discuss contacting the appellate court regarding missing filings and transitioning to a third wave.
kir*** mentions docketing the case.
Chinese original · kir*** · Apr 24, 2026beg*** recounts calling the Second Circuit about unreturned materials and advises others to check whether the court holds their documents.
Chinese original · beg*** · Apr 24, 2026kir*** contends that a transition to a third wave is underway.
Chinese original · kir*** · Apr 24, 2026
Whether Livestreams and Social Media Threat Posts Constitute Evidence or Mere Public Opinion Confrontation
3 cited messages · Apr 24, 2026 – Apr 24, 2026
Participants assess claims made in online broadcasts and social media commentary concerning Guo.
kir*** criticizes people for blindly echoing unverified rumors.
Chinese original · kir*** · Apr 24, 2026nev*** disputes claims made by an online commentator asserting that Guo was dressed up preparing for an immediate courtroom release.
Chinese original · nev*** · Apr 24, 2026him*** describes listening briefly to broadcasts where commentators attribute every single action to Guo.
Chinese original · him*** · Apr 24, 2026
Ongoing Debates Over Victim and Creditor Status and Legal Standing
3 cited messages · Apr 25, 2026 – Apr 25, 2026
Participants debate whether claimants should position themselves as criminal victims or bankruptcy creditors.
joh*** argues that being convinced to seek money solely through the bankruptcy case rather than as a criminal victim is useless.
Chinese original · joh*** · Apr 25, 2026joh*** suggests that bankruptcy creditors and exchange clients send emails to challenge Luc by separating bankruptcy and criminal proceedings.
Chinese original · joh*** · Apr 25, 2026reb*** contends that Judge Manning would dismiss equitable claims to preserve judicial resources and that after sentencing victims are relegated to asserting claims as general creditors under Luc's narrative that G Enterprise belongs to the debtor.
Chinese original · reb*** · Apr 25, 2026
Whether Fund Flows and Loss Attribution Are Established as Core Disputed Issues for Conviction
3 cited messages · Apr 25, 2026 – Apr 25, 2026
Participants discuss currency exchanges and payee records regarding the movement of funds.
spr*** asks if other participants shared the identical payee.
Chinese original · spr*** · Apr 25, 2026kir*** questions how received RMB funds were converted into US dollars through intermediary companies.
Chinese original · kir*** · Apr 25, 2026ntp*** argues that there is no need to consider currency scalpers or intermediaries.
Chinese original · ntp*** · Apr 25, 2026
Questions Surrounding Alleged Prosecutorial and Trustee Evidence Concealment or Dereliction of Duty
3 cited messages · Apr 25, 2026 – Apr 25, 2026
Participants scrutinize the integrity of the bankruptcy trustee and prosecutorial influence over third parties.
kir*** asserts that while the court controls the prosecution and defense, it cannot control third parties.
Chinese original · kir*** · Apr 25, 2026kir*** raises questions regarding the integrity of the trustee.
Chinese original · kir*** · Apr 25, 2026kir*** contends that alleged misconduct has gone uncorrected for three years.
Chinese original · kir*** · Apr 25, 2026
Interfacing Criminal Case Materials with Bankruptcy Proceedings and Disputes Over Asset and Refund Dispositions
3 cited messages · Apr 25, 2026 – Apr 25, 2026
Participants explore post-sentencing Rule 60(d) motions and the treatment of pre-indictment refunds.
kir*** suggests pursuing a path post-sentencing through Ryan's Rule 60(d) motion for anyone holding assets in the criminal case.
Chinese original · kir*** · Apr 25, 2026kir*** adds that claimants could utilize agreements executed between Luc and the prosecution.
Chinese original · kir*** · Apr 25, 2026reb*** criticizes attempts to forfeit GTV and claw back refunds issued prior to the indictment to treat recipients as general creditors.
Chinese original · reb*** · Apr 25, 2026
Debates Over Procedural and Evidentiary Injustice Concerning Fatico Hearings, Brady Obligations, and Testimony Admissibility
3 cited messages · Apr 26, 2026 – Apr 26, 2026
Participants dispute prosecutorial reliance on expert witness testimony and evidentiary models under RICO.
kir*** contends that document 716-4 dismantled the FBI expert witness's model of fund inflows and outflows.
Chinese original · kir*** · Apr 26, 2026kir*** argues that the prosecution should not have permitted the FBI witness to mislead the jury.
Chinese original · kir*** · Apr 26, 2026kir*** contends that RICO allegations were improperly shaped by witness testimonies.
Chinese original · kir*** · Apr 26, 2026