# Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok): community discussion 112

Community discussion, batch 112 (May 16, 2026 – May 21, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Participants debated whether post-sentencing proceedings could reopen the case, disputing Second Circuit appellate avenues, mandamus petitions, motions for leave, and the docketing of supplemental filings such as ECF 849. Disagreements intensified over victim standing under the CVRA, Section 853(n), and restitution representation. Members also argued whether funds represented legitimate investments or fraud proceeds, contesting RICO conspiracy scope, CIPA disclosure standards for Brady materials, and group moderation rules.

Firsthand participant accounts and investment experiences, preserved with dates, sources and reply context.

English reading guide and paraphrases; Chinese source messages remain authoritative.

## Post-Sentencing Procedural Revival: Motion Validity and Second Circuit Intervention

Participants dispute whether pending motions remain actionable after sentencing and whether the Second Circuit can still intervene.

- kir***, May 16, 2026: kir*** asks whether Luosi Ge can proceed after sentencing. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q94c6e34021147825a34a)
- him***, May 16, 2026: him*** contends that sentencing does not mean previously filed motions simply disappear. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e0c225458f33ff4787c)
- him***, May 16, 2026: him*** argues that once sentencing occurs, procedural questions become effectively settled and unchangeable. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd9aad050d9759d69fca6)
## Procedural Sequencing for the Second Circuit and Mandamus: Supplemental Filings and Timing

Participants debate the order and timing of submitting supplemental materials, uploading filings, and reapplying for mandamus relief in the Second Circuit.

- spr***, May 17, 2026: spr*** quotes language indicating that DX's application to file supplemental documents supporting a mandamus petition was granted and considered. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q99512a7c6463034c9091)
- spr***, May 17, 2026: spr*** notes that Zhengqing reposted ECF 849. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7ce46d38879ed2aa5188)
- mrz***, May 16, 2026: mrz*** observes that although only a few thousand people invested, most investors still support Guo despite misleading actions by alliance farms. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf63c7d73c7ad55be6819)
## Boundaries of Third Parties and Victims: Participation and Prosecution Representation

Participants debate who qualifies to participate directly and whether victims must be represented exclusively by the prosecution or defense.

- chu***, May 16, 2026: chu*** argues that victims in normal criminal cases need not intervene independently, but claims investor victims in this case distrust the prosecution and avoid its victim registration. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf7ae55ccde17ce7e56e0)
- him***, May 16, 2026: him*** contends that it makes no sense for victims to approach the defense team and that defense counsel should not accept them. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2e1f5509381d020e72dc)
- him***, May 16, 2026: him*** argues that third parties filed their own motions precisely because they lacked confidence in the prosecution. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaa362e410153ebc8ef06)
## Discrepancies in Victim Rosters: The Five-Person List Versus Thousands of Supporters

Participants dispute the conflicting characterizations between a five-person victim list and thousands of self-identified supporters.

- kir***, May 16, 2026: kir*** refers to the five individuals involved in the Second Circuit stay. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4d6c415876379f2db0f9)
- chu***, May 16, 2026: chu*** maintains that genuine victims definitely exist, though their numbers remain very small. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q552920818757300842dc)
- kir***, May 16, 2026: kir*** remarks that the five individuals in the Second Circuit did not oppose the Chinese Communist Party and questions how they became the only five supporters recognized by the prosecution. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4bc30aed826c8d976c47)
## Divided Trust in the Prosecution and Justice System: Allegations of Politicization and Victim Curation

Participants debate claims that the prosecution and judicial authorities are politicized and selectively curate cooperative victims.

- lui***, May 16, 2026: lui*** contends that the Department of Justice is infiltrated and that prosecutors fabricated victims alongside alliance figures rather than identifying genuine victims. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8e6ee245c295756b9ea5)
- lui***, May 16, 2026: lui*** argues that individuals pursuing anti-communist goals view themselves as victims of government misjudgment rather than victims of Guo. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1986fb79c0f4d60a5bde)
- lui***, May 16, 2026: lui*** asserts that prosecutors distinguish clearly between cooperating conspirators and outsiders. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q966e45e91a4a3434d501)
## CIPA and Evidentiary Disclosure: Classified Records and Brady or Giglio Material

Participants discuss whether classified filings under CIPA contain essential Brady, Giglio, and impeachment materials.

- ton***, May 17, 2026: ton*** argues that the CIPA ruling erred if sealed or substituted classified materials actually comprise core Brady, Giglio, and impeachment evidence. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q77da6b7020213f2860e0)
- reb***, May 17, 2026: reb*** suggests that unuploaded pro se filings likely contain significant Brady, Giglio, and impeachment materials. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfd0620eecac61e76ff66)
- joh***, May 17, 2026: joh*** contends that uploading all submissions would reveal sufficient material to justify CIPA proceedings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb18e3065e2ca689ddb0e)
## 'Investments Versus Fraud': Fund Flows and Account Verification as Core Disagreements

Participants dispute whether funds remitted through farms constituted legitimate investments or fraudulent schemes.

- .an***, May 19, 2026: .an*** recounts purchasing H-Coin at ten cents through farms, disputes fraud classifications by pointing to substantial returns, and claims participants are victims of the prosecution rather than Guo. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q88553754317c041f4aba)
- joh***, May 19, 2026: joh*** suggests participants could instead be considered victims of William Je or other co-conspirators. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q68e2958c892b0d5bbb8e)
- mia***, May 19, 2026: mia*** argues that claiming investment status cannot overturn the jury verdict because project insiders testified regarding fraudulent intent. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8e61162146aa7e1f8f85)
## RICO, Conspiracy, and Boundaries of Liability: Sole Responsibility Versus Joint Liability

Participants debate the scope of RICO conspiracy charges and whether liability is unfairly concentrated on Guo alone.

- him***, May 18, 2026: him*** questions why only Guo was arrested if the prosecution is pursuing a RICO conspiracy. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q42d921921dcbc60f15a0)
- him***, May 18, 2026: him*** asks whether that reasoning implies that the six thousand members associated with GTV will inevitably succeed. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2556f7d93442fba7041c)
- joh***, May 19, 2026: joh*** suggests urging prosecutors to identify specific scapegoats among alleged co-conspirators. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf4afe34a7ae6328e853e)
## Shifting Expectations on Outcomes: Speculation Around Reversals, Deportation, and Timing

Participants exchange conflicting predictions regarding potential sentence reversals, deportation timelines, and procedural delays.

- mil***, May 19, 2026: mil*** predicts that Guo will be sentenced and immediately deported to China in July rather than serving time in the United States. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9c01374882b74f9228de)
- kir***, May 19, 2026: kir*** expresses skepticism toward claims of imminent sentencing and deportation. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf73a84a1fa225037a0b2)
- kir***, May 20, 2026: kir*** remarks that Luc is finished. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf485052040f622e4a118)
## Information Reliability Disputes: Distinguishing Verifiable Evidence from Speculation

Participants debate the evidentiary standards required to verify allegations rather than relying on uncorroborated claims.

- chu***, May 19, 2026: chu*** contends that unverified statements by Guo that lack cross-examination in court should be dismissed entirely. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0a337c1a14c1d24adbb5)
- mia***, May 19, 2026: mia*** argues that establishing co-conspirators as intelligence agents is required to sever Guo from the RICO allegations and questions whether anyone has the evidence to prove it. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q85befe4f4a9776b0862d)
## Group Governance and Speech Boundaries: Identity Disputes, Muting, Removals, and Personal Attacks

Participants argue over chat group moderation rules, member expulsions, and personal allegations against specific members.

- 202***, May 20, 2026: 202*** reports having been removed from a group. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9349ac2fcaa19629ebec)
- 202***, May 20, 2026: 202*** posts a redacted member identity reference. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8c465439b3adbf934c75)
- 202***, May 20, 2026: 202*** describes an acquaintance who is a veterinarian handling major business who is also present in the legacy chat group. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7b22ede5411b3cb692d9)
## Attorney Status and Pro Se Boundaries: Licensed Lawyers, Self-Representation, and Docket Acceptance

Participants contest whether licensed attorneys can proceed pro se and whether their independent filings receive equal court treatment.

- him***, May 17, 2026: him*** contends that licensed lawyers are barred from representing themselves pro se. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe1321509a5aee287b4ef)
- kir***, May 17, 2026: kir*** argues that licensed attorneys should be permitted to do so. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q351014b63257a38baa79)
- him***, May 17, 2026: him*** maintains that the prohibition applies regardless of what license the attorney holds. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q286ceefa53613d123981)