# Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok): community discussion 113

Community discussion, batch 113 (May 21, 2026 – May 26, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Discussions began with divisions over reporting crimes and jurisdictional viability before shifting toward criminal charges and evidentiary standards regarding fraud, money laundering, and RICO command requirements. Participants disputed whether oral testimony alone suffices without communications and financial paper trails linking the Himalaya ecosystem and bankruptcy proceedings. Attention also turned to Second Circuit procedural maneuvers involving stays, 2106, Rule 32, and the 629 timeline, alongside internal group conflicts over polling manipulation and narrative control.

Firsthand participant accounts and investment experiences, preserved with dates, sources and reply context.

English reading guide and paraphrases; Chinese source messages remain authoritative.

## Disagreements over Reporting and Jurisdictional Paths: Contrasting Views on Filing Reports, Receipts, and FBI Acceptance

Participants dispute whether reports can be accepted across jurisdictions, debating filing options with local police or the FBI.

- him***, May 21, 2026: him*** contends that farm leaders residing outside the United States can only file reports with their local authorities. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q31f669624851d6e152ef)
- mrz***, May 21, 2026: mrz*** argues that the entity issuing TDCCP is an American company registered by Qing Teng and Yoe Zhou, making it reportable to the FBI. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbe2a8eb6f8c608a74ab4)
- him***, May 21, 2026: him*** contends that the relevant evidence is already included in court filings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q03f22c648e1bf6f30057)
## Contrasting Narratives on Investor Identity: Accusations of Silence from Mainland Investors and Doubts About Overseas Credibility

Participants debate representation issues between silent investors inside China and overseas commentary.

- him***, May 21, 2026: him*** contends that investors located in China dare not speak publicly. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0c7c31d5c952e61df612)
- him***, May 21, 2026: him*** argues that these mainland investors are consequently spoken for by overseas actors. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q14286355d2a09790a9b5)
- him***, May 21, 2026: him*** disputes the credibility of overseas investors, calling them corrupt as well. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7ea524ea64917171a81d)
## Disputes over Core Accusation Frameworks: Differing Perspectives on Fraud, Money Laundering, Misappropriation, and False Fundraising

Participants dispute how prosecutors framed fraud, money laundering, and misappropriation claims concerning GTV and Himalaya Coin.

- him***, May 21, 2026: him*** contends that the prosecution's fraud charge seems to center primarily on investors never receiving shares. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q21bd8839ba21579098e3)
- him***, May 21, 2026: him*** describes prosecutorial allegations of fraudulent investment offerings involving GTV Media Group and Himalaya Coin, systematic misappropriation of funds for luxury purchases including a New Jersey mansion, and SEC civil actions. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q92ec6998a0a1934122f3)
- him***, May 21, 2026: him*** describes allegations that the ventures constituted affinity fraud targeting overseas Chinese followers through false claims regarding gold backing for H-Coin and diversion of funds into luxury assets. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd771436adee692860279)
## The Chain of Control and Fund Attribution as Contested Focal Points: Repeated Deconstructions of the Links Between Guo, Himalaya, H-Coin, and G|CLUB

Participants dispute prosecutorial theories linking promotional activity to operational control across Himalaya and G|CLUB entities.

- him***, May 21, 2026: him*** outlines the government's evidentiary framework alleging actual control over Himalaya Exchange and G|CLUB through public fundraising, managerial hierarchy, traceable fund diversions, and beneficial ownership. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3e1bfb2931715b7c6ee3)
- him***, May 21, 2026: him*** highlights that the fourth prong of the prosecution's control theory relies on findings by the bankruptcy trustee. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe2be32fe6b50a2c5eff1)
- him***, May 21, 2026: him*** argues that serving as a public spokesperson does not automatically create criminal liability under federal law without proof of knowledge and intent, though bankruptcy findings substantially bolster the government's case. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd605d6e27fd657d26cd6)
## Controversy over Standards for RICO and Knowing Participation: Whether Continuous Chain of Command and Subjective Intent Must Be Proven

Participants dispute legal standards for RICO liability, debating whether prosecutors must establish a continuous chain of command.

- spr***, May 21, 2026: spr*** argues that RICO liability requires proving who gave the fraudulent directive, contending that current filings fail to show Guo issued such orders. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q162d216dca5f80c9848c)
- kir***, May 21, 2026: kir*** contends that prosecutors undermined their case by intentionally presenting a simplified trial narrative to mislead the jury about Chinese investors. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q35bde2bfaecd87b0e71d)
- kir***, May 21, 2026: kir*** contends that prosecutors improperly exploited disputed creditor registration records to deny bail. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4fcc42f8f2f64d5c8393)
## Evidentiary Strength Debates Focus on Oral Testimony: Arguments That Isolated Witness Statements Require Corroboration by Communications and Financial Trails

Participants dispute the weight of witness testimony, arguing that oral statements require corroborating communications and financial records.

- spr***, May 21, 2026: spr*** argues that oral confessions by subordinates are insufficient in federal court unless corroborated by electronic records, financial tracing, and documented decision trails. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe0c69319c2ad60ed86c3)
- spr***, May 21, 2026: spr*** contends that the available evidence falls far short of establishing the requirements for a RICO conviction. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ae6265e9730c64c12d9)
- spr***, May 21, 2026: spr*** questions whether defense counsel ever challenged cooperating witnesses who made agreements with prosecutors over allegedly lying to conceal their own wrongdoing. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8b538b59347a6e999e05)
## Procedural Fairness Narratives Escalate: Selective Prosecution Evidence, Contaminated Proof, and Undisclosed Favorable Materials Face Scrutiny

Participants dispute prosecutorial fairness and trial strategy, arguing over alleged evidence suppression and witness credibility.

- mrz***, May 21, 2026: mrz*** disputes the prosecution's focus on promotional claims while ignoring audio and video records of Guo addressing falsified accounts by farm leaders. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcd80b311805f26cc650a)
- .an***, May 22, 2026: .an*** contends that defense lawyers failed to introduce alliance announcements that would have discredited cooperating witnesses previously accused of misappropriating funds. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf1e62c444787cc0d3a7e)
- joh***, May 22, 2026: joh*** alleges that critical evidence from the criminal case was improperly transferred by prosecutors in the Southern District to a bankruptcy trustee suspected of fraud. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q60759ddcf6ea98a93945)
## Procedural Tactics in Parallel Following the Second Circuit Appeal: Stays, 2106, Rule 32, and Scheduling Priorities Take Center Stage

Participants debate appellate tactics before the Second Circuit, evaluating emergency stays alongside statutory and procedural remedies.

- kir***, May 25, 2026: kir*** contends that the current motion seeks an emergency stay and demands an evidentiary hearing. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q84f90286c7e2be846066)
- beg***, May 25, 2026: beg*** suggests that more than five mandamus petitions seeking a stay may be submitted to the Second Circuit. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9aa0e4c250108a10e734)
- beg***, May 25, 2026: beg*** asks whether an emergency stay and a 2106 motion can be pursued simultaneously. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q533600dd252083144054)
## Intertwining of Bankruptcy and Criminal Proceedings: Luc's Appointment, Custodial Freezes, and Forfeiture Order Viewed as Key Influences on Criminal Outcomes

Participants dispute the appointment of trustee Luc and the impact of bankruptcy asset freezes on criminal proceedings.

- kir***, May 25, 2026: kir*** characterizes the contested issues as involving alter ego determinations. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf02c7ebc39e9f28a8f9a)
- reb***, May 21, 2026: reb*** describes the U.S. government's narrative as treating the G-series and farm network as a fraudulent enterprise where incoming funds were deemed laundered and transfers were treated as fraudulent conveyances in bankruptcy. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q26f9586ba785ec9a6859)
- kir***, May 22, 2026: kir*** contends that bankruptcy trustee Luc has an obvious conflict of interest. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd953d07353f956202783)
## Disputes over Victim Losses and Restitution Mechanisms: Whether High Return Ratios Represent True Compensation, Division, or Internal Co-optation

Participants dispute victim restitution mechanisms, arguing over reimbursement terms and alleged conflicts of interest.

- wen***, May 21, 2026: wen*** contends that no substantive evidence proved guilt, arguing that purported victims are unexpectedly defending Guo and seeking the truth behind the alleged fraud. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q89d7b398952ca8c3cc0a)
- joh***, May 21, 2026: joh*** recalls that donors contributing to legal fees through Himalaya Coin were offered a one-to-two return in HDO. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb18672dc012a6d6e0843)
- mrz***, May 22, 2026: mrz*** alleges a Brady violation regarding video evidence and accuses trustee Luc and Paul Hastings of conflicts of interest and judicial fraud through falsified creditor registrations. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf16b3ec7560da05d17df)
## Group Governance and Expansion of External Opinion: Polling Infiltration, Factional Labeling, and Conspiracy Attributions Amplify Friction

Participants debate chat moderation and polling dynamics, alleging coordinated voting manipulation and political intrigue.

- sar***, May 22, 2026: sar*** urges participants to stop voting, claiming opposition groups will infiltrate polls and noting that Discord administrators retain full authority to remove users. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q869ec06576083b54b616)
- him***, May 22, 2026: him*** contends that having more people involved is preferable. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qee20efb6fe7b885f314d)
- joh***, May 22, 2026: joh*** argues that behind-the-scenes figures may collude with the Department of Justice but will readily abandon associates when convenient. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1b8bd9fe45de22d2b621)
## Crisis of Credibility Concerning Legal Strategy and Representation: Judicial Inaction by Judge Torres and Multiple Lawyers' Decisions Face Criticism

Participants dispute the performance and impartiality of Judge Torres and legal counsel across recent proceedings.

- ntp***, May 23, 2026: ntp*** observes that participants have already called for Judge Torres to recuse herself. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3909dd86d9495ec8d72f)
- sar***, May 25, 2026: sar*** criticizes Judge Torres for allegedly doing nothing over the past two months, characterizing it as a display of weakness and incompetence. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q31ad73136160ff22e7b5)
- kir***, May 22, 2026: kir*** urges participants to examine alleged conflicts of interest and verify why the original trustee reportedly remains involved. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1d466080910082e3d279)