# Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok): community discussion 114

Community discussion, batch 114 (May 26, 2026 – Jun 1, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Discussions diverged over judicial procedures, evidence evaluation, and participant identities. One perspective examined pre-sentencing asset forfeiture and post-mandamus filings, while another questioned procedural delays before Judge Torres. Participants analyzed ledgers and fund flows, disputing whether these formed conclusive evidence. Conflicting labels characterized key figures as victims or conspirators, alongside unresolved disputes concerning Crime Victims Rights Act boundaries, the forfeiture pool, and court docket submissions.

Firsthand participant accounts and investment experiences, preserved with dates, sources and reply context.

English reading guide and paraphrases; Chinese source messages remain authoritative.

## Pre-Sentencing Asset Forfeiture and Evidentiary Sequence

Participants debate the legality of pre-sentencing asset freezes and the procedural handling of Second Circuit mandamus petitions.

- beg***, May 26, 2026: beg*** argues that existing case law prohibits the seizure and freezing of legitimate funds. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf15499c31cd23b74252b)
- beg***, May 26, 2026: beg*** contends that Second Circuit mandamus petitions 26-1072, 1129, 1178, 1192, and 1296 will be heard in tandem and may be denied without prejudice, requiring renewed petitions if Judge Torres does not docket and address their filings before Jun 29, 2026. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q27db6b92c1c13c50e47b)
- beg***, May 26, 2026: beg*** argues that according to procedure, the Second Circuit must issue an official opinion. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8a3234fd148b6f93f059)
## Disagreements Over Torres Proceedings: Subpoenas, Hearings, and Delay Tactics

Participants dispute whether procedural delays and motions under Judge Torres constitute judicial pressure.

- joh***, May 26, 2026: joh*** argues that Luc avoids appearing in the criminal trial due to fraud, forcing Judge Torres along a rigid path because bankruptcy motions depend on criminal sentencing. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb22dadc15c20eb9c9c9d)
- kir***, May 29, 2026: kir*** contends that the presiding judge in the case will resort to intentional stalling tactics. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7264f00a09e63061f422)
- kir***, May 29, 2026: kir*** argues that the court has no alternative course of action other than delaying the proceedings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q30aa1836a9845c771ee1)
## Ledgers and Fund Flow Evidence: Breakthrough Claims and Verification Needs

Participants dispute whether financial ledgers and fund tracing establish key evidence or require further verification.

- kir***, Jun 1, 2026: kir*** argues that ECF 716-4 and Tony's alliance ledgers show the prosecution concealed true fund flows from the jury and orchestrated an improper forfeiture agreement with Wang. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf1b6083d608cb26ec977)
- joh***, May 28, 2026: joh*** contends that farm loan funds tied to Niaorushui were ultimately diverted elsewhere through ACA Capital under William Je. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7a76ba0334cea24e988e)
- kir***, Jun 1, 2026: kir*** inquires about the specific contents of the 848 recording. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf51fc9830d0931c20afb)
## Whether Himalaya Exchange, Guo Case, and Farm Alliance Merge into One Line

Participants debate whether the Himalaya Exchange, the Guo case, and the Farm Alliance should be treated as connected matters.

- spr***, May 26, 2026: spr*** contends that funds for G Club and the Himalaya Exchange were wired directly into their respective accounts, citing 853N. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2ca48885b88da097400a)
- mrz***, May 29, 2026: mrz*** argues that interfering with third parties and investors under the guise of the Farm Alliance constitutes obstruction of United States justice. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaafb202ccaa887e9d8f2)
- joh***, May 27, 2026: joh*** contends that certain figures are merely fence-sitters shifting with the prevailing situation. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7e14a61843eea3c73dba)
## Credibility Disputes Over Witnesses and Attorneys: Perjury, Obstruction, and Ineffective Counsel

Participants dispute witness truthfulness, alleged witness tampering, and legal defense representation.

- beg***, May 26, 2026: beg*** suspects that Caogen, Hahn, Cosmos, and Wang Xuebing colluded to fabricate a scheme convincing fellow members they were not thieves or fraudsters. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd77a77b7208624a7c6f8)
- kir***, May 31, 2026: kir*** contends that attorney Micah Fergenson attacked four victims with baseless nonsense without reviewing the actual case files. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q12f5e3d264780b5cd803)
- joh***, May 28, 2026: joh*** recalls seeing claims that prosecutors permitted William Je to avoid court appearances and participate solely through legal counsel. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3af3ed7b6884c7a25d1d)
## Threat Narratives of Assassins, Silencing, and Flight Viewed Largely as Speculation

Participants discuss rumors of physical threats, retaliation, and emergency meetings within the alliance.

- kir***, May 26, 2026: kir*** recounts hearing claims that hitmen operate within the alliance who might kill people out of desperation upon losing. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1ae90b384c87bf7f1e76)
- kir***, May 26, 2026: kir*** remarks that attorney Pu was urgently summoned. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8d359c29a0a50ae6d2d9)
- joh***, May 26, 2026: joh*** interprets Qmay's statement about a dead dog as an implicit threat directed at opponents. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0d55298917202a6248c3)
## Divergent Characterizations of Qing, Guo, Gail, and Changdao Wei

Participants disagree sharply over the roles, motives, and victim status of prominent figures.

- joh***, May 31, 2026: joh*** argues that Qing was a former farm leader and co-conspirator, a victim in Wang's case, and someone who threatened investors on broadcasts. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q36e4896ec8085559d360)
- joh***, May 29, 2026: joh*** mocks An Xiaodong for spending years training artificial intelligence into something useless. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q715ede6b98e9b085364c)
- wen***, Jun 1, 2026: wen*** contends that Qing is a victim of Wang. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qef1f31df20d069aed329)
## Disputes Over Forfeiture Scope and Asset Ownership: Third-Party Property and Due Process

Participants argue whether court forfeiture orders improperly include third-party assets and violate constitutional rights.

- hel***, Jun 1, 2026: hel*** argues that forcibly forfeiting assets not owned by Wang is unconstitutional and reflects procedural disorder. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q55650148b24595687c91)
- hel***, Jun 1, 2026: hel*** contends that these contested assets do not belong to Guo. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9859f862cdd9b502c37a)
- joh***, Jun 1, 2026: joh*** contends that Wang's forfeiture scope directly applies Guo's conviction terms across the entire G series. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q79846632598b1d8087ec)
## CVRA Victim Boundaries and Overlapping Roles: Conflicts Between Victims, Supporters, and Co-Defendants

Participants dispute judicial criteria for victim status under the Crime Victims' Rights Act and the treatment of investor funds.

- him***, May 31, 2026: him*** argues that prosecutorial assertions regarding victim status are meaningless because only the presiding judge can make that determination. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa006372689c9d3160486)
- kir***, May 31, 2026: kir*** contends that if the judge rules everyone is a victim, participants must accept figures like Ryan as victims as well. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q46dd65a78d728831ecaf)
- kir***, May 31, 2026: kir*** questions what will happen to the recovered funds under such a determination. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q75f18dadc8661d1b3fdc)
## Post-Second Circuit Procedural Milestones: June 29, Mandamus, and Appeal Routes

Participants debate the timeline and strategic impact of the June 29 deadline, mandamus filings, and appellate procedures.

- wen***, May 31, 2026: wen*** asks what will happen on Jun 29, 2026. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc3d9717292bb38ed60c2)
- ntp***, May 30, 2026: ntp*** tells another participant that submitting a mandamus petition oneself is the only way to understand the process. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3ccf21d49d6707f3d5dd)
- beg***, May 27, 2026: beg*** contends that issuing, serving, and allowing time to respond to a subpoena requires at least fifteen to thirty days. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qddf067039b18e5099428)
## Concerns Over Court Filings, Public Platforms, and Group Rules Impacting Discussion

Participants describe filing document redaction experiences, broader societal dynamics, and chat group moderation issues.

- sar***, May 30, 2026: sar*** describes mailing a 126-page document that the Second Circuit scanned with a cover page into 127 pages, recounting her use of stickers for redaction before the court blacked out the cover. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe27659bca1462b65264e)
- mia***, May 31, 2026: mia*** contends that authorities gamble on Chinese citizens never rebelling as long as they have sustenance. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q559b64a025ed1b18fc40)
- joh***, May 31, 2026: joh*** alerts the group administrator that a specific member is repeatedly joining and leaving the server. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q02376526e793df72a189)