# Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok): community discussion 115

Community discussion, batch 115 (Jun 1, 2026 – Jun 5, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Discussions rapidly diverged across procedural issues, liability boundaries, and competing narratives. Procedural debates centered on whether forfeiture in Wang's case reaches third parties, detention timelines, and the authenticity and admissibility of filings including 853n, 853i, and 700. In parallel bankruptcy and criminal proceedings, participants disputed asset freezes, legal representation, and liability across Himalaya Exchange, HDO, and Himalaya Coin. Commentators further argued over alleged collusion, coordinated online messaging, and potential case postponements, stays, dismissals, or appeals.

Firsthand participant accounts and investment experiences, preserved with dates, sources and reply context.

English reading guide and paraphrases; Chinese source messages remain authoritative.

## Procedural Timing and Forfeiture Scope: Whether Wang's Forfeiture Extends to Third Parties

Participants dispute whether forfeiture in Wang's case extends to third parties and debate procedural timelines.

- joh***, Jun 1, 2026: joh*** argues that filing 841 was not an attack on the movement but likely involved a Canada farm leader withholding 6 million in Himalaya Coin investments and framing the exchange. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfcddc3d80c5ccd4a2aa0)
- beg***, Jun 1, 2026: beg*** questions why Wang would wait until after Guo's sentencing to appeal, asking whether an acquittal motion could have been filed immediately after the jury verdict. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4f3ad47b00930bba2d18)
- beg***, Jun 1, 2026: beg*** recounts monitoring whether any Justice Department personnel or relatives were arrested, noting that no corresponding information had surfaced in the United States. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1db98dd9e027e809d573)
## Evidentiary Authenticity and Admissibility: Whether Filings 853n, 853i, 700, and 848 Support Core Charges

Participants assess whether filings 853n, 853i, 700, and 848 are authentic and admissible.

- him***, Jun 1, 2026: him*** contends that following an associate's appearance regarding Wang Yanping's forfeiture, a group submitted 853n petitions likely organized by specific community figures. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0251b9d1f8132f438890)
- him***, Jun 1, 2026: him*** notes that another individual filed an 853n petition arguing Wang lacked standing to consent to forfeiture, suggesting this filer was independent. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q435cdf0234931a1c9386)
- ntp***, Jun 2, 2026: ntp*** asks whether Guo's livestreams could be introduced as evidence to challenge trustee Luc Despins. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7a2a4ca7e606297603be)
## Victim Recognition and Recovery Priority: CVRA Status, Fund Flows, and Distribution Hierarchy

Participants evaluate victim recognition under the CVRA and the order of asset recovery.

- joh***, Jun 3, 2026: joh*** alleges that Alliance figures played both sides by fabricating victims for prosecutors while withholding helpful evidence from the defense. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0a49e9f36c885bf52c4d)
- joh***, Jun 5, 2026: joh*** contends that prosecutors recognize only around a dozen victims while rejecting CVRA claimants appealing to the Second Circuit. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcfc64c1bbab77d95ffb8)
- joh***, Jun 3, 2026: joh*** argues that a masked member attempts to label participants as movement affiliates tainted by fraud to disqualify them from third-party lawsuits. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q50a665c925b409b84c83)
## Asset Liability Chain: Whether Himalaya Exchange, HDO, and Himalaya Coin Share Joint Responsibility

Participants dispute whether Himalaya Exchange, HDO, and Himalaya Coin share joint legal liability.

- him***, Jun 5, 2026: him*** points out that prosecutors allege 1.4 billion dollars in financial losses. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6b9ed5a2ae26cb47e1c9)
- him***, Jun 5, 2026: him*** argues that if one exchange investor was defrauded, all investors should be deemed victims due to the absence of gold reserves. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q04dee0ea094f58e81bed)
- mrz***, Jun 5, 2026: mrz*** contends that fund transfers remain permissible as long as they occur between bank accounts affiliated with Himalaya Exchange. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q532b51805d30af3a9fc5)
## Parallel Bankruptcy and Criminal Proceedings: Trustee Appointments, Asset Freezes, and Jurisdictional Boundaries

Participants examine trustee appointments and jurisdictional boundaries across parallel bankruptcy and criminal courts.

- mrz***, Jun 2, 2026: mrz*** describes competing factions in bankruptcy court, including the trustee, creditor committees, and roughly 1,600 alleged fraudulent registrants. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q29a69c5afe3da321d683)
- mrz***, Jun 3, 2026: mrz*** inquires whether replacing the original bankruptcy trustee with Luc Despins can be raised in criminal court. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3c3b87d9996ba5791394)
- kir***, Jun 3, 2026: kir*** states that attorney Ryan already raised that issue. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64373c44c4bf3361298f)
## Prosecution, Counsel, and Defendant Relations: Allegations of Influence and Replacing Defense Counsel

Participants debate whether defense counsel is compromised and whether representation should be replaced.

- beg***, Jun 1, 2026: beg*** contends that beyond judicial fraud, the parties involved are suspected of criminal conspiracy. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2b6c1321b01f69649c99)
- ntp***, Jun 3, 2026: ntp*** argues that defense attorneys reviewing only Alliance-supplied materials rather than court case files suggests external compromise. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc9e330a295ef43f168df)
- kir***, Jun 2, 2026: kir*** remarks that changing defense attorneys is not an easy task. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q34d3b70fdc5b011a8a3b)
## Organized Narrative Campaigns: Whether Coordinated Accounts Drive a Unified Narrative

Participants examine whether coordinated accounts and volunteer groups drive an organized propaganda narrative.

- joh***, Jun 2, 2026: joh*** alleges that prominent movement commentators operate with funded networks of accounts to amplify and repost their messages. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4cdb66d7d920ec184b3e)
- mrz***, Jun 2, 2026: mrz*** describes Alliance farm propaganda teams operating without financial compensation under promises of volunteer tokens. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf602a16e6d3ac2694141)
- kir***, Jun 3, 2026: kir*** asserts that the circulating material is an AI-generated composite. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe2086e7374473319c748)
## External Intervention and Political Framing: Third-Party Lawsuits and Infiltration Narratives

Participants evaluate theories of external political interference, third-party lawsuits, and institutional control.

- sar***, Jun 2, 2026: sar*** agrees with the critique, arguing that a masked group member aggressively suppresses third-party litigation. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q55cb8ecf821d61904e97)
- wen***, Jun 3, 2026: wen*** speculates that Guo realized his defense attorneys were controlled and is holding back while waiting for external third-party breakthroughs. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf76e3d4a20459fdc0804)
- hel***, Jun 5, 2026: hel*** recounts Steve Bannon's claims regarding widespread CCP infiltration of United States agencies and lawyers, contending justice will ultimately prevail. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdeb24b84631916ad1de4)
## Second Circuit and Procedural Milestones: Postponements, Stays, Dismissals, or Appeals

Participants deliberate upcoming procedural milestones at the Second Circuit, including stays, dismissals, and appeals.

- spr***, Jun 3, 2026: spr*** clarifies that their inquiry refers to procedural options other than a stay. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q61d6f4eefb90b18b4b25)
- beg***, Jun 5, 2026: beg*** contends that with 16 business days remaining, the case faces only two outcomes: postponement or immediate dismissal and release. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q49f7d5f611fbc855b120)
- beg***, Jun 5, 2026: beg*** adds that a third possibility could be a retrial. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qff992d0cf8da2396a0be)
## Group Attribution Divisions: Rational Advocacy Versus Emotional Polarization

Participants dispute whether group members exhibit rational legal advocacy or emotional factional allegiance.

- joh***, Jun 5, 2026: joh*** argues that members are divided between acting rationally and acting out of emotional sentiment. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q02a369ef44bb264a3f7d)
- joh***, Jun 5, 2026: joh*** contends that individuals who continue to follow certain movement livestreams resemble cult followers. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q97a83b0fa1dbc3ee2f2c)
- joh***, Jun 5, 2026: joh*** argues that Guo forcibly drew investors into the situation without their preparation. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q99acde37f40a57760fa9)