# Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok): community discussion 120

Community discussion, batch 120 (Jun 16, 2026 – Jun 18, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Discussions focused on procedural disputes surrounding victim qualification, CVRA and §853(n) applicability, stay timing, case numbers, and Second Circuit filing procedures. Participants debated trial record transparency, verifying claims against court records while questioning evidence. Political framing amplified friction around Chinese Communist Party influence and espionage allegations. Apprehension grew over potential arrests, indictments, and sentencing schedules, while divisions deepened over asset forfeiture boundaries, victim representation, and personal risk mitigation strategies.

Firsthand participant accounts and investment experiences, preserved with dates, sources and reply context.

English reading guide and paraphrases; Chinese source messages remain authoritative.

## Debate over Victim Intervention Timing and Standing

Participants debate when victims may intervene in the proceedings and whether negotiation is timely before sentencing.

- kir***, Jun 16, 2026: kir*** asks when victims are permitted to intervene in the case. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q94a054ebc03b1d3f6f82)
- kir***, Jun 16, 2026: kir*** questions whether victim intervention only occurs after conviction. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe30c01c9fd4cb20ef785)
- him***, Jun 16, 2026: him*** contends that negotiating now is favorable because sentencing is approaching. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6cd89b9376ffb8252c25)
## Dispute over the Boundary Between Prosecutors and Victims and Victim Leadership

Participants dispute whether prosecutors should represent victims and heed their voices.

- hel***, Jun 16, 2026: hel*** questions why prosecutors never listen to their voice or opinions if they supposedly act on their behalf. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q346b3fb78952b43c8dc2)
- wen***, Jun 16, 2026: wen*** contends that prosecutors neither represent nor protect that individual. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7aab3aa6a92c84537905)
- kir***, Jun 16, 2026: kir*** argues that the individual is not an actual victim. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q58fda815e83d7aa617b1)
## Controversy over Mandamus Petitions, Second Circuit Sequence, and Fees

Participants discuss procedural issues, filing fees, and sequencing for mandamus petitions before the Second Circuit.

- him***, Jun 16, 2026: him*** contends that prosecutors did not communicate because hel*** never reached out to them. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa20c2818f7f46a93299b)
- hel***, Jun 16, 2026: hel*** asks whether submitting a second mandamus petition to the Second Circuit incurs another $600 filing fee after paying $600 initially. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q276e027fef8233002934)
- kir***, Jun 16, 2026: kir*** advises against taking action yet, warning that Second Circuit documents have not been uploaded and procedural issues may exist. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q13f01547050edf13e020)
## Shift from Negotiation Narrative to Confrontation and Skepticism of Prosecutors

Participants express skepticism regarding negotiation, predicting conflict and prosecutor indifference.

- kir***, Jun 16, 2026: kir*** sarcastically remarks that participating in negotiations would turn into a group brawl. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q30c365549327d1821c0e)
- kir***, Jun 16, 2026: kir*** scoffs at the prospect of negotiation. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfc35bf55aa178487793a)
- kir***, Jun 16, 2026: kir*** contends that the prosecution must now be traumatized. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q86569fb8658f0c06290a)
## Tension over Trial Material Transparency and Evidence Verifiability

Participants debate the transparency of court records and where trial documents can be verified.

- spr***, Jun 16, 2026: spr*** claims that the Alliance concealed this portion of the trial transcript so that it does not appear in the record. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8acb1487e1612e405b14)
- ntp***, Jun 16, 2026: ntp*** suggests that the materials should be available on CourtListener. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2e27514b1a18a65643fb)
- reb***, Jun 16, 2026: reb*** shares an online link to court case documents hosted on NFSC Press. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q420472e2428c28db8af4)
## Debate over §853(n) and the Scope of Asset Forfeiture

Participants discuss personal motives and whether utilizing §853(n) suffices for asset recovery.

- chu***, Jun 16, 2026: chu*** asserts that their actions are driven by personal interest rather than support for Guo. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q05aec171d98452d92c21)
- him***, Jun 16, 2026: him*** asks whether chu*** would continue speaking out if prosecutors returned money to them. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3384396b22f4f68843cd)
- him***, Jun 16, 2026: him*** argues that filing under §853(n) is appropriate if the primary goal is obtaining funds. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2ba59b75a46a30c2c119)
## Uncertainty Regarding Brother Luosi's Detention Status and Police Actions

Participants speculate about whether Brother Luosi has been detained or released by law enforcement.

- jim***, Jun 17, 2026: jim*** wonders why the blogger has not updated and asks whether he was arrested. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2ec827771943c532bee5)
- jim***, Jun 17, 2026: jim*** expresses concern that the blogger has likely been detained. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q194bd77fd6e7b17fa854)
- spr***, Jun 17, 2026: spr*** observes that the person apparently has not been released. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q29d7ead6be5ad4b23ba9)
## Ongoing Speculation over Indictments, Arrests, and Sentencing Timing

Participants debate the likelihood of indictments and the timing of a verdict in the case.

- xia***, Jun 17, 2026: xia*** contends that an indictment is genuinely possible. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe9faebbe7159737aabba)
- mia***, Jun 17, 2026: mia*** expresses confidence in Guo's capabilities. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q561f89b6082eaa6c0b2a)
- xia***, Jun 17, 2026: xia*** asks whether participants believe a sentence will actually be handed down in Guo's case. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7e292331b36486954368)
## Details on Case Numbers and Electronic Filing Procedures: 26-1192, COS, and Mail Submissions

Participants discuss case numbers, certificates of service, and submission rules for Second Circuit filings.

- sar***, Jun 17, 2026: sar*** inquires whether two mandamus petitions to the Second Circuit use separate docket numbers requiring two filing fees, referencing case 26-1178 with ECF 844 and asking about the ECF number for case 26-364. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q469f98fae1f22ed506e7)
- beg***, Jun 17, 2026: beg*** notes that a Certificate of Service may appear on the final page of the main filing while Form 1080 goes on the first page, adding that Second Circuit filings allow email submission whereas Nathan Rehn must be served by physical mail. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa87aeafc8b795921748e)
- spr***, Jun 17, 2026: spr*** asks whether sending documents as separate files in a single email is acceptable. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1bce21df448290fcde11)
## Intensified Labeling Regarding Alleged CCP Affiliation, Spies, and Factional Control

Participants exchange accusations regarding espionage, party manipulation, and ties to the Chinese Communist Party.

- ntp***, Jun 17, 2026: ntp*** argues that observers will likely label the participant as CCP-affiliated, mirroring exposure tactics used in China. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7133a4ed44df58cf31c5)
- him***, Jun 17, 2026: him*** sarcastically reacts to accusations of acting on assigned tasks. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5f3d66ab4a53aa86e6b5)
- reb***, Jun 17, 2026: reb*** angrily questions whether the fraud alliance has been co-opted by Chinese ruling authorities. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaaa96b67134e22fac478)
## Safety Measures and Action Strategies for Personal Protection

Participants recount personal employment fallout and advise preserving records for safety.

- chu***, Jun 16, 2026: chu*** shares a social media link related to the Whistleblower Movement. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q085af7fec73f7ca1b7a3)
- chu***, Jun 16, 2026: chu*** recounts that the labor agency refused to issue written notice, dismissed them from work starting tomorrow, and promised to pay owed wages the next afternoon. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2da89684aa33dcf0fc4e)
- chu***, Jun 16, 2026: chu*** requests that group members screenshot recent messages and save family contact details in case their phone is confiscated or messages are deleted. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q502a7d01d3964de05902)
## Clashes over Evidentiary Standards versus Online Speculation and Rumors

Participants debate court docket filings and challenge unsupported online allegations.

- kir***, Jun 17, 2026: kir*** refers participants to a docket entry in United States v. Guo on CourtListener. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7613e1738f8de6d88917)
- kir***, Jun 17, 2026: kir*** notes that Brother Luosi's mandamus petition has been appealed to the Second Circuit. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeffc2a8c0faf08bdb37b)
- ntp***, Jun 17, 2026: ntp*** demands to know who spread rumors and questions whether any supporting evidence exists. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q00ddc13d606f32a55565)