# Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok): community discussion 123

Community discussion, batch 123 (Jun 20, 2026 – Jun 22, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Discussions center on procedural compliance and evidentiary challenges, including Second Circuit service, stay motions, document 700, docket entry 716-4, and victim list calculations. Participants debate standing and narrative control, disputing whether self-proclaimed victims or third parties should advance claims under the CVRA, Brady, or IAC. Tensions escalate over personal motivations, religious framing, and chat moderation rules, causing arguments to shift toward interpersonal attacks and timeline speculation regarding sentencing without reaching consensus.

Firsthand participant accounts and investment experiences, preserved with dates, sources and reply context.

English reading guide and paraphrases; Chinese source messages remain authoritative.

## Second-Instance Service and Procedural Steps as Points of Contention: Paper and Mail Service Alongside Correction Procedures

Participants discuss appellate submission mechanics and debate whether clerical notices permit corrective filings.

- beg***, Jun 20, 2026: beg*** describes placing the text on the final page of the main document without encountering any issues. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q92c64c1d00591efccdc2)
- beg***, Jun 20, 2026: beg*** contends that if a filing fails to meet standards, the clerk will mail a correction notice, advising participants not to worry. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q61925bd73d4dc07c697d)
- beg***, Jun 20, 2026: beg*** suggests that participants can use the filing format provided above. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0d2ceac88c8f454afac1)
## Evidentiary Chains and Court Filings Under Scrutiny, Centering on Document 700 and Document 716-4

Participants dispute the validity of evidentiary filings, focusing primarily on document 700 and docket entry 716-4.

- kir***, Jun 20, 2026: kir*** contends that document 700, rather than Brother Screw, represents the core issue discovered. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7689fb16d93670b6589f)
- him***, Jun 20, 2026: him*** argues that the other participant can only rely on what Guo discloses. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7a03e5bedc0072084c67)
- ton***, Jun 20, 2026: ton*** argues that the prosecution's loss calculation relies on an expert who conducted no independent tracing of upstream funds, contrasting this with probable-cause statements in Doc 716-2. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q301664fcf4e90c8a0d14)
## Ongoing Questions Over the Standing of Private Prosecutors and Victims to Take the Stand

Participants dispute whether private prosecutors or self-described victims possess legitimate legal standing to present claims in court.

- cin***, Jun 20, 2026: cin*** asks why participants would not support victims presenting their claims in court. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q342086c48701a0c77931)
- him***, Jun 20, 2026: him*** contends that exercising such procedural rights is explicitly permitted under American law. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaa819d3149703c32bb37)
- him***, Jun 20, 2026: him*** argues that in a genuine legal battle, someone must appear in court to clarify the truth. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb128998e136c6788c69e)
## Persistent Disagreements Over Helping Him Versus Claiming a Shell: Conflicting Views on Motives and Accountability

Participants argue over whether third-party actions are intended to genuinely assist the defendant or merely exploit the case as an organizational vehicle.

- kir***, Jun 20, 2026: kir*** questions why the other participant is assisting Brother Screw. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q95bd120a1509aad47736)
- him***, Jun 20, 2026: him*** disputes claims of diverting the stay, asking when any opinion on the stay was expressed. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8eea64c482de98a20f56)
- kir***, Jun 20, 2026: kir*** argues that the other participant is merely using the pretext of helping him as an organizational shell. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8ea2e98dd65a5db481e4)
## Escalating Tensions Over Chat Rules and Speech Boundaries: Debates Over Insult Rooms and Continued Feuding

Participants debate group moderation standards, arguing over room separation, verbal abuse, and the enforcement of chat rules.

- chu***, Jun 20, 2026: chu*** directs designated frequent speakers to post case summaries and quality posts in the criminal case room while forbidding casual chatting there. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfdcb16798e160a44285d)
- him***, Jun 20, 2026: him*** recalls that group members originally did not engage in mutual personal attacks. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7d4ba75ec9e0d2ba6780)
- him***, Jun 20, 2026: him*** contends that operating only a single chat room leaves members without defined group rules. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q89b4931885846774c579)
## Speculation Spreads Across Identity Links Concerning Brother Screw and Tony

Participants dispute alleged connections and collaborative ties among prominent community figures.

- ntp***, Jun 20, 2026: ntp*** observes that another participant suspects Tony of operating as an alternate account for Brother Screw. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd1015ddc53cfaf6f0444)
- sar***, Jun 20, 2026: sar*** asks for the identity of the person being discussed. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8bc25fe4f5267ce0d4bc)
- him***, Jun 20, 2026: him*** disputes allegations by critics that Brother Screw's legal motions were written by him. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q42b43d53f58f5e0e9d21)
## Personalized Motivations and Attacks: Religious, Rigidity, and Brainwashing Labels Replacing Factual Verification

Participants argue over personal religious affiliations and ideological mindsets rather than focusing on evidentiary verification.

- him***, Jun 20, 2026: him*** mentions that Brother Screw is also a Christian. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q243a49cf55c519949610)
- him***, Jun 20, 2026: him*** questions whether the other participant actually knows what his religious beliefs are. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf5cd96c8bb43781ae918)
- him***, Jun 20, 2026: him*** contends that he shares the same overall path. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2bd12d4459a549eb0383)
## Unsettled Authenticity Regarding Victim Rosters and Amounts: Conflicts Between the 218-Person and 126-Person Lists

Participants dispute discrepancies between conflicting victim rosters and question the legitimacy of the listed individuals.

- ntp***, Jun 20, 2026: ntp*** states that the list contains a total of 218 individuals. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q06306fb83eea069797b6)
- zha***, Jun 20, 2026: zha*** observes that another member shared a roster of 126 individuals and questions the mention of Roy. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaaa5d1f8f9522b97b80f)
- zha***, Jun 20, 2026: zha*** describes having acquaintances among those listed, noting that none of them joined the group chat. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q231e0ead2e37966406bd)
## Conflicting Narratives Over Cross-Border Fund Flows: Inconclusive Debate on Legitimate Foreign Trade and Money Laundering

Participants debate cross-border financial transactions, questioning whether trial evidence substantiated alleged money laundering or foreign-trade settlement channels.

- joh***, Jun 20, 2026: joh*** argues that currency offsetting transactions conducted into mainland China generated substantial profits. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q04732f59e65bae4ea163)
- kir***, Jun 20, 2026: kir*** contends that if this mechanism was not raised, the case against Guo would be completely overturned. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q359f975be8b2ebebcca3)
- ton***, Jun 20, 2026: ton*** recounts reviewing witness testimony across eight trial days from Jun 17, 2024, to Jun 27, 2024, asserting that no witness described trade firms or cryptocurrency offsetting as the mechanism for moving funds to the United States. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qec586d49cd866317fbf7)
## Third-Party Interventions Focus on Procedural Alternatives: CVRA, Rule 32, Fatico, and IAC

Participants argue over procedural legal mechanisms, debating whether third parties can supplement the record via CVRA, Rule 32, Fatico hearings, or conflict-free counsel reviews.

- ton***, Jun 21, 2026: ton*** argues that the court should be asked to appoint independent conflict counsel to evaluate potential omissions by existing defense attorneys. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q11a554bbecd5f05a51ba)
- ton***, Jun 21, 2026: ton*** contends that third parties can supplement the sentencing record under the CVRA or Rule 32 regarding restitution discrepancies, but cannot take over core defense responsibilities. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q80e47ddb80c6375be410)
- may***, Jun 21, 2026: may*** argues that the court must not adopt the prosecution's loss figures before holding a Rule 32 factual review and a Fatico hearing, citing commingling acknowledged in Doc 716-4. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q643da5517da9eec464aa)
## Anticipation of Timelines and Outcomes Drives Later Discussions, Focusing on the Jun 29 Date and Year-End Milestones

Participants speculate on key upcoming dates, arguing over potential sentencing timelines and the likelihood of settlement.

- ntp***, Jun 21, 2026: ntp*** describes widespread uncertainty over whether sentencing will take place on Jun 29. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5b18c5b11a2456bf31a1)
- ton***, Jun 21, 2026: ton*** contends that members should not be anxious because Jun 29 only represents the beginning. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8eb1bf8a2a3c72d25733)
- spr***, Jun 21, 2026: spr*** questions whether Guo would consent to a settlement without obtaining compensation. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfe28bbc2b95ea64b690b)