# Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok): community discussion 128

Community discussion, batch 128 (Jun 29, 2026 – Jun 30, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Participants engaged in sharp debates over courtroom proceedings, recusal motions, and asset forfeiture boundaries under Order 858. Contention focused on conflicting forfeiture figures, including $1.3 billion and $889 million, and whether acquittals severed ties between the Guo and Wang cases. Disputed victim statement counts shaped competing sentencing narratives. Following the court's 360-month sentence, arguments shifted toward procedural integrity, medical emergencies, an unidentified woman in black, and Second Circuit appeal standards.

Firsthand participant accounts and investment experiences, preserved with dates, sources and reply context.

English reading guide and paraphrases; Chinese source messages remain authoritative.

## Trial Timing and Procedures: Postponement, Recusal, and Scheduling

Participants debate whether hearing delays stemmed from recusal motions against Judge Torres or routine scheduling adjustments.

- spr***, Jun 29, 2026: spr*** asks whether Judge Torres delayed proceedings to address their recusal motion first. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd58586f8bd28fdc545ee)
- kir***, Jun 29, 2026: kir*** considers it possible that the motion caused the delay. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q33b943fee2444c304aef)
- ntp***, Jun 29, 2026: ntp*** agrees that the recusal motion might be the reason. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf930c4459a71e3c0bf28)
- ntp***, Jun 29, 2026: ntp*** wonders whether the judge will take the opportunity to step down. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q62f8dc6da66c5ccc95d1)
- kir***, Jun 29, 2026: kir*** asserts insisting on recusal before sentencing takes place. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q312c46f28b7f86ba7d3b)
## Disputed Calculations Under Order 858: Forfeiture Reductions and Net Sums

Participants analyze reporter updates regarding court rulings that reduced proposed forfeiture amounts under Order 858.

- ntp***, Jun 29, 2026: ntp*** notes that coverage of the proceedings is available on YouTube and Twitter. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf4d3f0b00352a377f4ab)
- spr***, Jun 29, 2026: spr*** reports that Inner City Press stated the court sustained Guo's objection, deducting $411 million from the proposed $1.3 billion forfeiture to reach $889 million while rejecting mandatory asset seizure requests in bankruptcy. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q063f9d653cab4d4f4b59)
- joh***, Jun 29, 2026: joh*** asks for the original link to the reported forfeiture ruling. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4dc8770e06ea3c216a6c)
- spr***, Jun 29, 2026: spr*** shares an Inner City Press social media post referencing the forfeiture decision. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q677d39f26183a6877fa3)
- ntp***, Jun 29, 2026: ntp*** questions why the filing was uploaded to Guo's case docket if it allegedly did not concern him. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q91c023ec6608ed062f98)
## GTV Deductions and Yamping Wang's Role: Cross-Case Legal Connections

Participants dispute whether GTV-related deductions signal acquittals and debate Yamping Wang's legal exposure across related cases.

- kir***, Jun 29, 2026: kir*** suggests that GTV deductions occurred because related charges resulted in an acquittal. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0803f3f6276048f76b39)
- joh***, Jun 29, 2026: joh*** disputes this interpretation, contending that the deduction had nothing to do with Guo. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa2640cea86b77da708c9)
- joh***, Jun 29, 2026: joh*** claims that Wang was acquitted. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8bea623c6f395a1d34a9)
- joh***, Jun 29, 2026: joh*** argues Wang's conduct primarily involved laundering GTV funds for Guo, claiming private lawsuits are needed to bring misappropriation claims into court. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4350d297988202affedf)
- joh***, Jun 29, 2026: joh*** contends farm leaders withheld GTV investment funds under non-prosecution agreements, urging investors to file pro se actions in criminal court. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q76307d5d299f15a5a605)
## Tying Acquittals, Victim Status, and Forfeiture: Unresolved Questions

Participants argue over whether forfeiture rulings and acquittals impact victim restitution and the standing of alleged conspirators.

- ntp***, Jun 29, 2026: ntp*** asks what followers will do if they cannot recover their funds after Guo is sentenced. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa94314cd11928b108ebd)
- ntp***, Jun 29, 2026: ntp*** reiterates concerns over how people will react if money is not returned post-sentencing. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q15f7a71a7b3e6cf4bc60)
- ntp***, Jun 29, 2026: ntp*** questions how Wang could avoid culpability given allegations of misappropriating investment funds. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2d213c6ec4dc0a356e2f)
- kir***, Jun 29, 2026: kir*** affirms agreement with the preceding point on misappropriation. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q20b2c888003086d455e1)
- joh***, Jun 29, 2026: joh*** argues that Qingteng acted as both a co-conspirator and a victim. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q75952366b74ee041a64d)
## Victim Count Discrepancies: 230 Versus 235 Statements and Loss Metrics

Participants scrutinize courtroom reports citing either 230 or 235 victim impact statements and question the authenticity of submitted claims.

- beg***, Jun 29, 2026: beg*** cites Judge Torres noting 230 victim statements and applying a two-level enhancement against a 175-year statutory maximum. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q22ed20ecf613f3782c72)
- beg***, Jun 29, 2026: beg*** relays the prosecutor's statement highlighting 235 victim statements from Chinese Communist Party opponents alongside Guo's expenditures. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q12cf45e38e5372a12638)
- beg***, Jun 29, 2026: beg*** highlights the government's reference to 235 victim statements. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1a7d54b4391bee0046a5)
- beg***, Jun 29, 2026: beg*** claims that forty of the victim statements originated from a single individual. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcd142a10bc34767ff427)
- joh***, Jun 29, 2026: joh*** asserts that submitted claims shared identical decimal amounts. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1f73d8d0a077181a999f)
## Sentencing Clash: Prosecution Demands, Defense Arguments, and the 360-Month Decision

Participants follow courtroom exchanges as the defense seeks leniency, prosecutors demand decades, and the judge imposes 360 months.

- beg***, Jun 29, 2026: beg*** states that the government requested a 30-year sentence. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4befe63ec3d248d09262)
- beg***, Jun 29, 2026: beg*** notes prosecutors arguing that supporters were also victims. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1e747482380e0b34055c)
- beg***, Jun 29, 2026: beg*** recounts the defense citing median fraud terms and SBF's 25-year sentence to request a lower sentence before Guo addressed the court. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qeae7ad0cdc690cbd8ffe)
- beg***, Jun 29, 2026: beg*** reports Probation recommended 300 months, the prosecution sought 30 years, and the judge noted extensive consideration. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q545c64e79b04814f20ca)
- beg***, Jun 29, 2026: beg*** reports Judge Torres sentenced Guo to 360 months across nine counts, granting downward departure credit for time served in MDC. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q716314ec247fd07d32ff)
## Defendant Health Crisis: Hospitalization and Proceeding Continuity

Participants examine Guo's statements regarding fainting, vomiting blood, and hospital transport before the sentencing hearing continued.

- beg***, Jun 29, 2026: beg*** quotes Guo telling the judge that he fainted, was taken to the hospital by two marshals, and asked the court to review video footage. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4ce3c3767a8b730a36ee)
- beg***, Jun 29, 2026: beg*** notes Guo asked the court to examine video proof of him passing out. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q79aad1931dadbddbee6b)
- nev***, Jun 29, 2026: nev*** asks whether Guo fainted during the courtroom proceedings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0516c8e05d5a65939335)
- him***, Jun 29, 2026: him*** recounts Guo stating he vomited blood and that people were arrested by the CCP before thanking the judge, questioning whether he will appeal. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q53ec4f96276ceb53d5f2)
- ntp***, Jun 29, 2026: ntp*** questions why anyone would poison him only to have him taken to the hospital and brought back. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q422c0a6102d987156daf)
## The Unidentified Woman in Black: Questions Over Courtroom Presence and Role

Participants speculate about the identity and conduct of an unidentified woman dressed in black present during the proceedings.

- beg***, Jun 29, 2026: beg*** quotes Guo challenging the prosecutor's account and demanding to know the identity of a woman present during his transport. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4df9f6db3bc9b860b10a)
- beg***, Jun 29, 2026: beg*** observes that many courtroom attendees wore white, speculating on Guo's fragile health. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q920697ef6eef477c95b8)
- .an***, Jun 29, 2026: .an*** inquires about what happened regarding the woman dressed in black. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcf81e571804d5981bf14)
- beg***, Jun 29, 2026: beg*** suggests an incident could have occurred inside the transport vehicle. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0462124ec69c08f45796)
- beg***, Jun 29, 2026: beg*** contends that any alleged poisoning might not have been caused by that specific woman. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1eeaf5b782d1a8a2d4c8)
## Evidence Sources and Document Availability: Authenticity of Transcripts and Disclosed Files

Participants question the availability and authenticity of live trial feeds, judicial bench remarks, and classified documents.

- lon***, Jun 29, 2026: lon*** asks where a live broadcast of the trial can be viewed. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9572181a934a12228432)
- beg***, Jun 29, 2026: beg*** quotes Judge Torres stating that CCP claims do not excuse fraudulent promises of outsized financial returns, naming Guo the leader. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qddd09b9488d20e7081cd)
- may***, Jun 29, 2026: may*** asks whether Guo possesses a secret weapon. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5e6b03ddfc1cb54554a9)
- ton***, Jun 29, 2026: ton*** claims that declassified files were placed directly onto Judge Torres's desk. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5ddf3c042b32ed0dbe43)
- lon***, Jun 30, 2026: lon*** expresses agreement with the preceding observation. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q24b1dfcd96fb19d31f59)
## Appeals and Second Circuit Strategy: Timing, Evidence Rules, and Procedural Fairness

Participants debate appellate strategy, the timing of filings in the Second Circuit, and whether procedural defects can be challenged.

- spr***, Jun 29, 2026: spr*** questions whether Second Circuit judges will dismiss motions as moot following Judge Torres's sentencing ruling. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q11c89466f76236175bbd)
- him***, Jun 30, 2026: him*** argues that any appeal requires independent and verified evidence rather than unsubstantiated claims. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q014daed781a41d0174e6)
- him***, Jun 30, 2026: him*** contends that the case was marked by multiple instances of procedural injustice. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q570b9ef6e21467445aa3)
- him***, Jun 30, 2026: him*** disputes the validity of the imposed sentence. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdbc8d2ccb403ad8e5fba)
- reb***, Jun 30, 2026: reb*** criticizes attempts to push acceptance of fait accompli outcomes created through unfair procedures by the government and the Southern District of New York. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q98f0f7e0258965a5a374)
## Political Narratives and Case Culpability: Allegations of CCP Coercion and Investor Arrests

Participants juxtapose political narratives regarding CCP interference and investor arrests against criminal charges and procedural bias.

- him***, Jun 29, 2026: him*** notes that Guo explicitly stated investors had been arrested by the CCP. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd389a2cbdd85098542b6)
- him***, Jun 29, 2026: him*** asks whether investor arrests by the CCP constitute the most critical issue. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2b6e925fc5ec0dfbe5de)
- him***, Jun 29, 2026: him*** questions why another member reacted so strongly to mentions of CCP coercion against investors. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7ba7bce9eb03926c71a6)
- lao***, Jun 30, 2026: lao*** asks what qualifications or conditions are required. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q13c3a1d0e4f08a4236a3)