# Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok): community discussion 137 Community discussion, batch 137 (Jul 19, 2026 – Jul 21, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Discussions shifted from political narratives to procedural and evidentiary disputes surrounding the Guo case. Participants clashed over the authenticity, authorship, and court compliance of purported letters and phone calls. Debate also divided participants regarding Second Circuit trajectories, particularly mandamus denials, third-party standing, appeals, and retrial prospects. Furthermore, arguments erupted over sentencing and forfeiture connections between the Guo and Wang matters, as well as figure credibility, fundraising motives, and chatroom manipulation. Firsthand participant accounts and investment experiences, preserved with dates, sources and reply context. English reading guide and paraphrases; Chinese source messages remain authoritative. ## How the "Peach-Picking" Opening Spread: The Chain of Responsibility Shifts to Qingteng, Ruien, and Their Faction Participants debate the attribution of responsibility among Qingteng, Ruien, and their associates regarding opportunistic maneuvers. - kir***, Jul 19, 2026: kir*** describes the situation as a performative drama to claim credit. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qca84668c2a84c50514a1) - kir***, Jul 19, 2026: kir*** states that Qingteng personally declared the benefits would go to Ruien. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ff6d361bf64e5018cee) - him***, Jul 19, 2026: him*** contends that everything done by Ruien and his associates represents only himself. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6afbf7a85933e3f5a3a2) ## Dispute over Authenticity of the "Private Prosecution Letter" and "Guo Calls": Signatures, Text Sources, and Procedural Compliance Participants dispute the authenticity, authorship, and procedural legitimacy of alleged letters and prison phone calls. - may***, Jul 19, 2026: may*** disputes the authenticity of the call, arguing it makes no sense for Guo to scold letter writers or reference specific online groups from prison. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaf0656068a37de104af8) - him***, Jul 19, 2026: him*** questions whether such communication was legally compliant. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0c0c188789be5b979783) - ntp***, Jul 19, 2026: ntp*** states that the matter was explicitly stated in the letter. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfef3e5d7848a624199e5) ## External Materials Competing as Evidence: Whether Livestream Calls, X Posts, and Sealed Filings Can Enter Court Participants argue over whether social media posts, livestream calls, and outside materials can be introduced as valid evidence. - kir***, Jul 19, 2026: kir*** shares an external post from an X account attributed to Ruien. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q376099a995088954810e) - kir***, Jul 19, 2026: kir*** points out to him*** that the statement was made by Ruien. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q45787bd7df94d6b50e80) - may***, Jul 19, 2026: may*** jokingly tells others to wait because Guo is calling. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q023c949fe1561ad80828) ## Scapegoating and Manipulation Narratives: Whether Figures Are Being Sacrificed or Betrayed Participants examine theories of scapegoating and the potential legal fallout from vacating Wang's forfeiture orders. - joh***, Jul 19, 2026: joh*** describes Qingteng's view that several factions are currently kicking him while he is down. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q03d4bb3ef3bd3aaa2d70) - kir***, Jul 19, 2026: kir*** characterizes this dynamic as typical of internal factional infighting. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q67f7f5be84a531573f4d) - joh***, Jul 19, 2026: joh*** contends that vacating Wang's forfeiture and sentence would overturn the case and ruin behind-the-scenes leaders. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd841b993f25c077d2f3e) ## Chatroom Identity and Opinion Manipulation: Whether Sockpuppets, Alternate Accounts, and Spamming Distort Discussions Participants clash over group membership, moderation authority, and accusations of coordinated spamming. - him***, Jul 19, 2026: him*** asks whether the group is intended specifically for discussing the Guo case. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q50364719ee9728581052) - may***, Jul 19, 2026: may*** retorts that him*** is not the group administrator. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q921f6caf826289862b4b) - sar***, Jul 19, 2026: sar*** criticizes certain accounts for coordinated screen-flooding and questions if they are being paid double wages on Sunday. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ad11e96c7c05c891f32) ## Confrontation over Ruien's Credibility: Conflicting Views over Allegations of Acting and Legal Illiteracy Participants debate the credibility of Ruien while challenging his legal literacy. - him***, Jul 19, 2026: him*** argues that Ruien frequently talks nonsense and cannot be trusted. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qccf1617afbda24b44856) - him***, Jul 19, 2026: him*** asks whether Ruien is legally illiterate. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1582d376fbbbba466b74) - him***, Jul 19, 2026: him*** reiterates that Ruien lacks any legal understanding. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q27eb73f10b6b59d42f82) ## Tug-of-War over Second Circuit Pathways: Mandamus, Denial Effects, Third-Party Filings, and Appeal Timing Participants dispute appellate outcomes in the Second Circuit, weighing mandamus denials against direct appeal prospects. - nin***, Jul 19, 2026: nin*** contends that the Second Circuit will remand the case for retrial as soon as it opens. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe4dd763006f4bacd3b45) - ntp***, Jul 19, 2026: ntp*** questions the utility of the Southern District's supplemental forfeiture motion given the transfer to the Second Circuit. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q66af18dd5d31238223e2) - beg***, Jul 20, 2026: beg*** explains that mandamus is an extraordinary remedy whose denial does not preclude raising substantial legal arguments on direct appeal. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0f3588851a571aa0ba5a) ## Sentencing and Forfeiture Contention: GTV Verdicts, Forfeiture Timelines, and Asset Disputes Participants contest sentencing discrepancies, forfeiture timelines, and claims regarding private prosecution challenges. - hel***, Jul 20, 2026: hel*** argues that Judge Torres delivered a contradictory ten-year sentence given the GTV acquittal and Wang's conspiracy plea. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q31802b5b18be06432cb0) - kir***, Jul 20, 2026: kir*** cites an external X post cautioning against the belief that private prosecution efforts can overturn the verdict. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8f9d2c947724ab795e66) - joh***, Jul 21, 2026: joh*** asserts that Tony dismantling the forfeiture in the Wang case remains a lingering painful issue. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfe8c3598deb960d89f43) ## Linkage Between Wang and Guo Cases, Plea Boundaries, and Vicarious Control: Whether the Scope of Proof Changes Participants analyze the procedural connections between Wang's plea, Guo's conviction, and subsequent bankruptcy proceedings. - joh***, Jul 20, 2026: joh*** argues it is absurd that Wang's plea regarding GTV implicated the entire corporate group. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf2fe7d56397c164d217e) - joh***, Jul 20, 2026: joh*** asks whether the forfeiture order in the Wang case will also have to be modified. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q86207b9901e595617047) - joh***, Jul 20, 2026: joh*** contends that Wang's plea and agreed forfeiture preceded Guo's conviction and enabled bankruptcy trustee interventions. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb723c4ede679850cbe72) ## Persistent Clashes over Financial and Loyalty Motives: Donations, Sources of Support, and Conflicting Stances Participants challenge each other regarding financial contributions, personal motives, and expressions of loyalty. - may***, Jul 20, 2026: may*** asks whether group members donated money when Guo Mei solicited funds. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q984558637f35fe7f6885) - him***, Jul 20, 2026: him*** comments that Brother Luosi would claim to love beautiful women rather than Guo. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q691d873d41524d380bf2) - may***, Jul 20, 2026: may*** argues that true loyalty requires taking concrete action rather than just talking. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3d207235618b6a77030a) ## Pronounced Divergence on Future Paths: Retrial, Appeal, and Procedural Stasis Projected in Parallel Participants present contrasting predictions regarding retrials, resentencing remands, and appellate record entries. - reb***, Jul 20, 2026: reb*** contends that even if defense attorneys do nothing, the case will at least be remanded for resentencing. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6645dabb918af6af6c3c) - kir***, Jul 20, 2026: kir*** recounts that although renewed mandamus motions were denied, the judge noted the submissions were considered and placed on the record. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q13a4d6b8a2ac1b0373a6) - joh***, Jul 20, 2026: joh*** argues that Guo's nine convicted counts pertain to corporate conduct rather than individual actions, unlike Wang's wire transfer. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf0743ca03f50856df830)