# Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok): community discussion 141

Community discussion, batch 141 (Jul 29, 2026 – Aug 2, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Participants dispute whether procedural defects can be remedied and underlying facts redetermined, focusing on Second Circuit deadlines, Form B filings, counsel representation, and appellate record boundaries. Debates persist over asset control and forfeiture, questioning whether membership dues benefited Guo personally or if criminal forfeiture, bankruptcy estates, and third-party rights coexist. Accusations of artificial intelligence fabrication and selective disclosure cloud evidentiary materials, while political conspiracies divide participants seeking fund recovery without reaching consensus.

Firsthand participant accounts and investment experiences, preserved with dates, sources and reply context.

English reading guide and paraphrases; Chinese source messages remain authoritative.

## Procedural Thresholds and Appellate Timing: Form B, Counsel Deadlines, and Unrepresented Appeals

Participants dispute whether representation deadlines and lack of counsel jeopardize the appeal.

- him***, Jul 31, 2026: him*** asks whether Guo will be able to secure legal counsel before Aug 10, 2026. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf7514932c97871996e92)
- ntp***, Aug 2, 2026: ntp*** questions whether the Second Circuit would invalidate proceedings solely due to a third party or if it must wait for appellate counsel to weigh in. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfb267dd421054fb8397b)
- ntp***, Aug 2, 2026: ntp*** queries whether filing an appeal must precede hiring an attorney. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4bb6e036343b21d1b496)
## Scope of Second Circuit Review: Record Scrutiny and the Finality of Procedural Dismissals

Participants debate how the appellate court examines the record and whether third-party claims can establish procedural violations.

- spr***, Jul 30, 2026: spr*** contends that judicial cooperation is tightening rather than in conflict, noting discussions on criminal extradition while referencing past resistance in Hong Kong. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q98ebeea78c1728562cf2)
- ntp***, Aug 2, 2026: ntp*** asks whether a document being entered into the record signifies that Second Circuit judges have reviewed it. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2295112d1772610cfd73)
- mia***, Aug 2, 2026: mia*** argues whether the Second Circuit can find procedural violations through a pro se third party, questioning if procedural issues take priority over appellate counsel leading a reversal. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9c133e102e77801868cf)
## Asset Seizure and Forfeiture: Commingling of Accounts, Beneficiary Entities, and Third-Party Recovery

Participants detail seized corporate bank accounts and dispute the government's seizure of commercial funds.

- spr***, Jul 30, 2026: spr*** states that around Sep 18, 2022, the government seized $2,745,377.75 held in account 9878904409 under GETTR USA, Inc. at Manufacturers & Traders Trust Co. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q89f481e6502a1625aecc)
- spr***, Jul 30, 2026: spr*** disputes the forfeiture of $9,899,659.19 in US Bank account 157525208185 under G Fashion around Sep 18, 2022, asserting investors never remitted to Gettr and describing G Fashion as standard commerce. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7b5bd54db5bdcedadb93)
- mon***, Jul 30, 2026: mon*** asks how much money is involved. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2bf3522fd10a56d801c3)
## Guo and G Club Membership Fees: Control, Personal Benefit, and Fund Allocation

Participants discuss judicial rulings regarding control over G Club and prosecutorial claims about personal spending.

- him***, Jul 29, 2026: him*** asserts that Judge Torres ruled Guo was the de facto controller of G Club. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q47dff2c6cdb97cd114af)
- him***, Jul 29, 2026: him*** contends that membership fees paid were therefore under Guo's control. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa18ac34df3583ac295b4)
- him***, Jul 29, 2026: him*** notes prosecutors allege Guo used paid membership fees to purchase the Mahwah estate for personal enjoyment. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9270f96f449a6a42c350)
## Evidentiary Reliability: Social Media Posts, AI Manipulation, and Information Pollution

Participants scrutinize the authenticity of shared online links, images, and commentators.

- joh***, Jul 30, 2026: joh*** shares an external post, mocking omissions regarding specific users and commenting on the wait for an alleged third echelon. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9223678f4f812cd9a8b1)
- reb***, Jul 30, 2026: reb*** observes that an online commentator referred to as Mr. AI now sounds less composed than before. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9d1028cdba3b968ddb32)
- chu***, Jul 31, 2026: chu*** encourages others to inspect video captures of a political commentator, arguing over perceived physical resemblances. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcd7b80b1ca0fa480b4c7)
## Alleged Phone Calls and Account Identity: Authenticity, AI Voice Synthesis, and Leadership Claims

Participants argue over the authenticity of purported phone calls from Guo and the state of movement leadership.

- tan***, Jul 30, 2026: tan*** contends that phone calls attributed to Guo are systematically fabricated using artificial intelligence voice synthesis to claim leadership legitimacy. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6dccaca791a9c6447388)
- may***, Jul 30, 2026: may*** laments that the movement has surrendered resistance, comparing it unfavorably to Ukraine. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2b79a697f42d457ec3e6)
- may***, Jul 30, 2026: may*** remarks cynically that defrauding money requires skill that one has to acknowledge. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8785d90253447ac7da59)
## Pro Se Filings and Representation Boundaries: Geyer's Scope and Dual-Track Submissions

Participants examine the boundaries of pro se actions, attorney representation, and docket filings.

- him***, Jul 30, 2026: him*** argues that anyone is entirely entitled to file pro se actions provided their claims are lawful and truthful. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q53addcb5d3e9d43ed611)
- sar***, Aug 1, 2026: sar*** notes that the name Xiaodong appears in an email in Second Circuit case 26-1296 at ECF 848 opposing Geyer's representation, and compares this person with an online account in Austria. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q919ecadb8d293f43517a)
- sar***, Aug 1, 2026: sar*** recounts discussions and analysis characterizing certain pro se submissions as tactical disruptions lacking critical evidentiary exhibits. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6572b91102c80e7fc337)
## Docket Transparency: All Petitions, Dkt. 866, and PACER Records

Participants clarify which petitions were filed against specific preliminary forfeiture orders.

- kir***, Jul 31, 2026: kir*** suggests that the filing corresponds to Gavamen digital bank. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q469548e07d4b5374cc3c)
- reb***, Jul 31, 2026: reb*** interprets that petitions were filed specifically in response to preliminary forfeiture orders 488 and 720. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf810dd0403f31b8fcbc4)
- ntp***, Jul 31, 2026: ntp*** inquires specifically which items are being referenced. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0bb8e6b0526b3ea444f1)
## Interplay Between Bankruptcy and Criminal Proceedings: Mahwah Jurisdiction, Trustee Authority, and Legal Fees

Participants question Chapter 11 Trustee Luc Despins's authority over seized exchange funds and allege collusion with prosecutors.

- spr***, Jul 31, 2026: spr*** contends that Chapter 11 Trustee Luc Despins lacks authority to manage exchange funds seized by the Department of Justice, citing ECF 2174 Exhibit I. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64c676964760ae4361ea)
- spr***, Jul 30, 2026: spr*** urges intervening in bankruptcy court to challenge Luc Despins's qualification as trustee and seeking a Second Circuit mandamus petition if rejected. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbc4e314fdfb5034c761b)
- spr***, Jul 31, 2026: spr*** argues that the trustee and the Department of Justice are colluding through procedural maneuvers to prevent the court from hearing the motion. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q494b086133e0cd0c9396)
## Disagreements on Asset Recovery: Direct Refund Demands Versus Alliance Accountability

Participants debate whether to concentrate on recovering money directly or demanding accountability from the Alliance.

- may***, Jul 31, 2026: may*** complains about the slow pace of Guo's appeal. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4bb5c6b53545c84724d3)
- him***, Jul 31, 2026: him*** demands concrete explanations on how funds can actually be recovered rather than vague talk. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qec2a1ddc3af63cd71834)
- joh***, Jul 31, 2026: joh*** tells a fellow member to demand money back directly from the Alliance. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q541bd8a1ebc24be6a12d)
## Political Expansion: Incorporating Trump, Geopolitical Events, and the Shanghai Faction

Participants frame the case within broader political narratives involving Donald Trump and internal factions.

- ntp***, Jul 31, 2026: ntp*** disparages Donald Trump, claiming he has been put in check. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q138899c90a36898c13f5)
- joh***, Jul 31, 2026: joh*** mocks that the political tide has turned and warns that leadership arrests would leave operatives unpaid. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q711cccd89c3df6ab9680)
- hel***, Aug 2, 2026: hel*** contends that a Shanghai faction has seized control of NFSC and Gettr, sending Guo to prison while stealing credit for his initiatives. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8261d98e885dc71d0a8a)
## Institutional and Judicial Characterization: Framing as Fraud and Questions of Institutional Trust

Participants dispute whether the case is deliberately confined to fraud charges to avoid political exposure.

- hel***, Aug 2, 2026: hel*** argues that authorities intend to frame Guo's case strictly as fraud to avoid touching on sensitive political matters. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q83168a83cb00ed3501d6)
- him***, Aug 2, 2026: him*** contends that Western society relies on faith rather than institutions. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qff588982df2c3afab370)
- chu***, Jul 30, 2026: chu*** shares an external post relevant to the whistleblowing movement. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q21a8962b967e0478c106)