# Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok): community discussion 159

Community discussion, batch 159 (Sep 17, 2026 – Sep 23, 2026), 979 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Discussions centered on post-trial proceedings, asset disposition, and internal organizational accountability. In legal debates, participants examined Second Circuit motions, pro se filings, venue changes, recusal provisions, third-party interventions, and CVRA victim standing. While some anticipated overturning convictions on appeal, others argued such claims lacked legal foundation and ridiculed promotional victory rhetoric. Debates also addressed litigation risks facing offline protesters, internal blame-shifting, Luosige's detention, and conflicts between bankruptcy and criminal forfeiture funds.

Firsthand participant accounts and investment experiences, preserved with dates, sources and reply context.

English reading guide and paraphrases; Chinese source messages remain authoritative.

## Discussions on Legal Risks of Offline Protesters, NFSC Representation, and Alliance Management Accountability

Participants dispute organizational representation and question personal investment motivations relating to the movement's leadership.

- _ki***, Sep 17, 2026: _ki*** asks whether another member would invest in Guo. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q21a4b696ec5b4e3f1f44)
- _ki***, Sep 17, 2026: _ki*** questions whether Guo would ever invest in Ryan. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf0d5c5f69e06b9c66af7)
- _ki***, Sep 17, 2026: _ki*** remarks that Guo was once the richest person in Henan. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3fcad5ce524041d09a39)
## Discussions on Submitting Pro Se Supplemental Evidence Letters to the Second Circuit and Motion Progress

sar*** describes submitting a 39-page supplemental evidence letter to the Second Circuit to preserve records of external manipulation and procedural interference.

- sar***, Sep 17, 2026: sar*** recounts spending over three weeks drafting a seven-chapter, 39-page record document concluding with Luosige's arrest, inviting others to verify it using artificial intelligence. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qfd0395b7e6150d3cb7e3)
- sar***, Sep 17, 2026: sar*** contends that the courtroom is the true battleground and challenges anyone who disagrees to make their case before the court. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q16607500b5281ce44741)
- sar***, Sep 17, 2026: sar*** describes Supplemental Exhibit D-1 filed on Sep 9, 2026, in the Second Circuit under Dkt No. 26-1476, explaining that the 39-page submission aims to document factional social media manipulation, assembly-line pro se filings, and the cross-border detention of grassroots pro se litigant Luosige. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc8ddd45097625b352af2)
## Debate Over Luosige's Detention, Investment Accountability, and Self-Help Groups

Participants discuss the detention of Luosige and dispute whether movement figures actually invested their own capital.

- xia***, Sep 18, 2026: xia*** asks about the current whereabouts of Luosige. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qdc727de3d6d7c11e3d70)
- ntp***, Sep 18, 2026: ntp*** states that Luosige remains in detention. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd49384daca1aac1b1215)
- _ki***, Sep 18, 2026: _ki*** argues that only Guo invested in his own ventures while prominent insiders like Qmay's son did not invest. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q71007234a7c9d2e8e1f6)
## Disagreements Over Overturning the Conviction, Second Circuit Motions, and Third-Party Interventions

Participants dispute the prospects of Second Circuit motions to vacate orders and question whether third parties can participate in final adjudication.

- kir***, Sep 19, 2026: kir*** asks him*** to interpret Jason's motion seeking to vacate all orders, witnesses, testimony, and proceedings allegedly influenced by foreign forces. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa803230e6e2e3b153a96)
- may***, Sep 19, 2026: may*** contends that whether authorities conduct an investigation is entirely up to them. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q97949800aa56cd9007cf)
- kir***, Sep 19, 2026: kir*** challenges him*** over a previous assertion that third parties cannot pursue final judgment. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0891809e246ae40b4c9b)
## Discussions on Xiaoyang's Defense, Livestream Statements, and Internal Blame-Shifting

Participants analyze Xiaoyang's legal stance in active litigation and discuss whether defying opposition solidifies leadership within the movement.

- may***, Sep 20, 2026: may*** asserts that Ryan has prevailed. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbe9f56f27ac2168a9eb5)
- joh***, Sep 20, 2026: joh*** argues that if Xiaoyang confronts the lawsuit rather than backing down, he establishes himself as the rightful leader of the protesters and the New Federal State of China, sidelining the Ivy League alliance. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q378fb41092a16882f9ff)
- kir***, Sep 20, 2026: kir*** expresses agreement with the reasoning regarding Xiaoyang's strategic positioning. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q27c5bda609574e1f8c7e)
## Legal Discussions and Disagreements Over Change of Venue and Section 2106 Judicial Reassignment

Participants exchange brief remarks concerning legal actions, financial recovery, and claims of success.

- spr***, Sep 20, 2026: spr*** remarks that there is still a substantial amount of work to be done. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q61943c75b728fc9670a6)
- may***, Sep 20, 2026: may*** declares that victory has been achieved and investments recovered. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q457cb5c8def26e659074)
- may***, Sep 20, 2026: may*** remarks that individuals have attained fame and wealth. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2b645c8cc77d50fb5c77)
## Debate Over Third-Party Litigation Intervention, CVRA Applicability, and Standing

Participants dispute whether third parties have standing to pursue final judgment and discuss the relevance of group chat control.

- kir***, Sep 21, 2026: kir*** argues that seizing control of the chat group is pointless given that the forfeiture proceedings have already collapsed. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6e43cf4ca536860944f6)
- kir***, Sep 21, 2026: kir*** contends that Jason has reached final adjudication, directly challenging him***'s claim that third parties cannot pursue final judgment. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q790743bd926adea18c31)
- joh***, Sep 21, 2026: joh*** disputes him***'s skepticism and notes that other participants and their legal advisors surely understand the situation. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q41520b228bbe5eb85cc8)
## Discussions on Conflicts Between Bankruptcy Claims and Criminal Forfeiture, Witness Testimony, and Fund Allocation

Participants examine jurisdictional conflicts between bankruptcy recovery and criminal forfeiture while critiquing cooperating witness testimony.

- kir***, Sep 23, 2026: kir*** asks whether more than one hundred million dollars claimed by Luc Despins inside the forfeiture pool creates a Rule 32 sentencing loss conflict if settled under bankruptcy law. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q420002930a9c1d4c68ef)
- reb***, Sep 23, 2026: reb*** contends that the argument holds if total inflows excluding GTV were only 858 million dollars and 170 million dollars was distributed to Trustee Luc Despins. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7aeed161cbe2bffe2002)
- joh***, Sep 23, 2026: joh*** argues that Khaled returned misappropriated funds after being caught yet coordinated with the prosecution narrative alleging GClub membership fees were not used for operations. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2cff4fe25dd5bb39fb6e)
## Scrutiny Over Himalaya Exchange Withdrawals, HDO Mechanisms, and Remission Plans

Participants scrutinize the actions of Alliance management and allege substantial illicit withdrawals from the Himalaya Exchange.

- joh***, Sep 22, 2026: joh*** contends that the Ivy League alliance operates as a compromised tool willing to fabricate claims even if its members ultimately face imprisonment like Wang Yanping. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9ff64b241e6f553acd1f)
- joh***, Sep 22, 2026: joh*** argues that grassroots campaign workers do not even know who Yu Jianming is. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7df8e2c9e453d91678eb)
- reb***, Sep 22, 2026: reb*** contends that Yu Jianming's faction withdrew at least hundreds of millions of dollars through Himalaya Exchange cash-outs. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6a616aa2d4e7d17e8e15)
## Analysis of Fund Characterization Conflicts Across Bankruptcy, Forfeiture, and Sentencing Loss Under Rule 32

Participants analyze legal conflicts between bankruptcy estate assets and criminal forfeiture under Rule 32 and dispute the characterization of membership revenue.

- kir***, Sep 23, 2026: kir*** argues that attributing the same funds simultaneously to the bankruptcy estate, criminal forfeiture, and USSG §2B1.1 sentencing loss creates factual contradictions that courts must resolve under Rule 32(i)(3)(B). [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q3aa1b508e5aa429716d0)
- kir***, Sep 23, 2026: kir*** argues that while Trustee Luc Despins's settlement reveals overlap between bankruptcy assets and criminal forfeiture, appealing the sentence requires proving that disputed funds directly tainted the sentencing loss calculation without resolution under Rule 32(i)(3)(B). [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q07347224bdd0fa89d7bf)
- reb***, Sep 23, 2026: reb*** contends that GClub membership fees constituted legitimate operating revenue rather than fiduciary investment funds, arguing expenditures on housing and vehicles were lawful as long as infrastructure development proceeded. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q034816e6e2b88dabb5c4)