# Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok): community discussion 162

Community discussion, batch 162 (Oct 3, 2026 – Oct 9, 2026), 1,000 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Participants debated where farm loans, Maywind funds and MOS recoveries went, who could act for investors, and whether the money was included in loss calculations, judgments or forfeiture. They discussed GTV refunds, CVRA claims, appeals and new evidence, while disputing claims about a supposed non-prosecution agreement. They also examined 22-50073, Dkt.5230, CV2024-008429, Filing ID 21604891, and Adv. P. 24-05276, Dkt.37. Other exchanges included unverified accusations about group control and factions.

Firsthand participant accounts and investment experiences, preserved with dates, sources and reply context.

English reading guide and paraphrases; Chinese source messages remain authoritative.

## Questions about farm and alliance funds, transfers and investor refunds

joh*** questions expenses, recovered transfers and their treatment in the money judgment.

- joh***, Oct 3, 2026: joh*** infers that farm and alliance funds paid for everything except a satellite phone. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6871ffc51507b0d5b1e0)
- joh***, Oct 3, 2026: joh*** contends that money MOS sent Wei was recovered into a Long Island company account and excluded from the $1.4 billion. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf9c1ad0a879682209f2f)
- joh***, Oct 3, 2026: joh*** questions why a remaining 30% was excluded when the preceding 70% was counted in the $1.4 billion. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9552cd9dcbdb7e969d82)
## Maywind farm loans, partial repayment and investment channels

Participants discuss Maywind recoveries, a lender's experience and the treatment of farm-loan investments.

- joh***, Oct 4, 2026: joh*** argues that an appeal concerning Maywind recoveries could challenge forfeiture and questions why investors were not repaid. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc0f87a3d7753202c5ba5)
- beg***, Oct 4, 2026: beg*** recalls lending to Maywind, an account seizure, Arizona litigation and partial repayment, and says settlement material was preserved on appeal. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q4ea6f3fc851aaf787613)
- joh***, Oct 6, 2026: joh*** argues that Maywind farm loans were omitted from the preliminary forfeiture list and that investors can pursue CVRA claims. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2e4f1d5f411b52cbf7ef)
## Money judgment, sentencing losses and forfeiture: whether loans were included

Participants question whether Maywind loans were included in the criminal money judgment and forfeiture.

- kir***, Oct 6, 2026: kir*** asks whether Maywind funds absent from the criminal charges were included in the money judgment. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaeac741a5365625af55d)
- joh***, Oct 6, 2026: joh*** says Maywind does not appear on the preliminary forfeiture list. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qaa4bd44516ac0ab995c9)
- reb***, Oct 6, 2026: reb*** argues that all farm loans were included in the money judgment and forfeiture, despite their absence from the list. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0ab4816d03f44b70d6f3)
## Civil settlements, MOS recoveries and investor distributions

Participants examine MOS's authority to recover and distribute funds and question a civil settlement.

- roy***, Oct 9, 2026: roy*** says records show MOS received $8.1363 million, while individual possession and investor distributions need further evidence. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q7f2ca13018c9f2344ef5)
- roy***, Oct 9, 2026: roy*** describes an unproven allegation in 22-50073, Dkt.5230, referencing CV2024-008429, Filing ID 21604891, that some Maywind investors were excluded from a distribution. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q566d22eb601d1caabcfc)
- beg***, Oct 9, 2026: beg*** asks what authority the person nicknamed Nine Fingers had to settle civil claims if the loans were subject to forfeiture. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbf2685f2bad78db82b35)
## GTV Fair Fund refunds, representation and conflicts

Participants discuss refund delays and question Zhang's role.

- tia***, Oct 5, 2026: tia*** asks about GTV refunds and recounts hearing that the second round was paused and the third under review. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q43531788e214e06389b9)
- kir***, Oct 5, 2026: kir*** speculates that Zhang Yongbing may have withdrawn all the money. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q10f24ba07c28a5186126)
- joh***, Oct 5, 2026: joh*** contends that someone who authorized Zhang but received no refund can pursue a claim and describes him as an uncharged co-conspirator. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q85ffe52c7b0855412ad5)
## Whether CVRA claims could affect final forfeiture and investor rights

joh*** argues that investor claims and existing evidence could affect forfeiture.

- joh***, Oct 4, 2026: joh*** argues that Helen's Maywind farm-loan investment supports a CVRA challenge and should be distinguished from other funds. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc705e63af8775330dd2f)
- joh***, Oct 6, 2026: joh*** contends that the evidence already before the Second Circuit is sufficient to renew the claim. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q21d6bbbf67e0fcd02eb3)
- joh***, Oct 9, 2026: joh*** argues that final forfeiture will be difficult until the approximately $8.13 million is resolved. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2f73e822ec7183c20575)
## Second Circuit appeals, mandamus and new evidence

Participants discuss appeal eligibility, alternative remedies and the treatment of new evidence.

- ntp***, Oct 3, 2026: ntp*** questions whether someone who filed no motion in the Southern District can appeal to the Second Circuit. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe980788b1f7d50d54527)
- beg***, Oct 4, 2026: beg*** describes ordinary appeal as a potential alternative to mandamus under 28 U.S.C. § 1651 and § 1291. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5c67dff2bda0d4003285)
- spr***, Oct 7, 2026: spr*** argues that new evidence must undergo adversarial testing and cannot simply be treated as part of the trial record. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0d4fdd0af4e59bbf80b2)
## Disputes over a supposed non-prosecution agreement and its scope

Participants question an alleged agreement, the money judgment's scope and possible prosecutorial arrangements.

- beg***, Oct 7, 2026: beg*** asks when Hahn claimed the Chinese Communist Party made her sign a non-prosecution agreement. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q33f8422d3fd24505dad2)
- kir***, Oct 6, 2026: kir*** asks whether the $889 million judgment includes funds associated with a supposed agreement but absent from the indictment. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2773cf019d213e84912a)
- beg***, Oct 9, 2026: beg*** asks what agreement uncharged co-conspirators had with prosecutors and whether investor money was used to buy cooperation. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa302613520334f799e70)
## Entity treatment in criminal and bankruptcy proceedings and recovery litigation

Participants question an alter-ego interpretation and describe a pending recovery case.

- beg***, Oct 6, 2026: beg*** asks whether adopting prosecutors' forfeiture figures implied an untested alter-ego finding. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9083bedfc9c60d0fc91e)
- roy***, Oct 4, 2026: roy*** describes Adv. P. 24-05276, Dkt.37, as a motion to compel and distinguishes the trustee's recovery allegations from established findings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc59826732f437693b24f)
## Questions and accusations about Luosi Ge's situation

kir*** makes unverified allegations about Luosi Ge and blames other participants.

- kir***, Oct 4, 2026: kir*** speculates that Luosi Ge was killed and blames may*** and him***. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q96590eeb76f2ca7ee4c3)
- kir***, Oct 4, 2026: kir*** accuses may*** of responsibility for a death. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5cfbc9706f83f10cc7d5)
- kir***, Oct 9, 2026: kir*** accuses him*** of killing Luosi Ge and asks why the allegation cannot be made public. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q017bc5ca70d15d157486)
## Claims about real and fake Guo and factional messaging

Participants discuss competing portrayals of Guo and inconsistent messages from factions.

- kir***, Oct 3, 2026: kir*** calls a claim another version of the real-versus-fake Guo story. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q163a8c3b0766fe89869c)
- kir***, Oct 3, 2026: kir*** describes the claim that the Guo in court is fake and the one on screen is real. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q5d6f0e0e37a85c63e132)
- joh***, Oct 4, 2026: joh*** contends that different groups answer to different leaders and circulate inconsistent information. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2c2e2a32615fb82fcb79)
## Organizing financial leads and court materials and considering next steps

Participants discuss turning their understanding into court materials and reassessing the loss calculation.

- sar***, Oct 6, 2026: sar*** says they hope to turn the material into court documents once they understand it. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qddbf42d4f69920f61385)
- reb***, Oct 6, 2026: reb*** argues that the loss calculation is unreliable and should be redone using funds tracing. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qcdf329974f7383f2b5a7)
- sar***, Oct 4, 2026: sar*** suggests considering what to do next. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q17164a12d5eb2b031e6f)